Which people have to leave?

[AngryAmish]

Throughout human history folks have moved about. Many times it was through invasions and sometimes folks just migrated and were absorbed into other cultures. Invasions (Turks) have founded long term nations.

There is a lot of talk about this subject right now. Many folks in this country want to kick out migrants from another nation. Israel/Palestine is all about folks sitting on land essentially won in war.

How do we determine who gets to stay and who has to move? Might makes right? UN?

[Warpy]

1. Very few wholesale evictions have worked as well

as kings and presidents have hoped. There are still plenty of Cherokees in North Carolina and Tennessee, the Kosovars got to go home, even the Hebrews managed to hang on after the Romans tried to kick them all out of Palestine. Some folks are just plain stubborn and won't leave, no matter what, and refugees have a habit of returning home once a military has exhausted itself by slaughter.

As for the current predicament with illegal workers in the US, clearly something needs to be done, starting with enforcing the laws against scumbag employers and against the mobsters importing them to satisfy the greed of scumbag employers. Unfortunately for the simple solution folks, all this stuff is going to have to be decided one case at a time: the bulk of them here under 5 years sent home but those who have put down roots, started families, and obeyed all the laws getting some sort of permission to stay, renewable every couple of years as long as they obey all the other laws.

It will also help to have the minimum wage raised enough to make illegal aliens a whole lot less attractive as employees, but the key is really enforcing the fines and jail terms against exploitative employers.

Doing these things will slow the torrent to a trickle once the word gets out that jobs are no longer plentiful for undocumented workers.

I don't believe military evictions have ever worked well and never will. People are just too stubborn. I sincerely doubt we'll ever stop illegal immigration into this country or any other, same reason. The only thing we can do is create conditions unfavorable to it to slow it down.