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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:17 PM
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So when the Bushistas finally come down, should we demand
Edited on Sat May-20-06 01:57 PM by Cleita
reparations for war crimes and treason from them?

I don't doubt that they will eventually come to an end. All fascist type governments do come crashing down eventually. So when we put them on trial for their crimes should we demand reparations?

I think it would be fair to impound all their assets both domestic and abroad as part of their sentencing and reparations made to the families of all who have died in these wars, American, and coalition of the willing as well as Iraqis and Afghanis caught in the melee.

Would this atone for what they have done in our name? We have to do something like this to let the world know it wasn't the majority of Americans who backed this regime, but that we feel obligated to make ammends so that the world will know we are sincere.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:21 PM
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1. Methinks it is too late....
Even if the Democratic Party regains control...I seriously doubt they would press the issue...and that disappoints.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:23 PM
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2. I would like some corporations to surrender their slush funds...
The ones they topped off with subsidies to outsource jobs, offshore manufacturing, and switch from pension plans to 401ks. Also the pharmaceuticals should kick in some of their kick backs.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:23 PM
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3. I think they will reap the whirlwind
I think the world is holding back out of respect for the office of the presidency, once they
are no longer in the Whitehouse, look out, there will be a demand for justice. The report
of the UN on US torture is just the beginning.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:32 PM
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4. I think so too.
So I believe it would be in our interest to offer this first, however, I don't believe that the taxpayer should be the source of funding this. Therefore, I believe we need to confiscate all the assets of the criminals. I don't give a rat's ass about the heirs. Laura and the twins can go get jobs as far as I'm concerned.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:42 PM
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5. I think that there is something strange about the last 6 years
Edited on Sat May-20-06 01:43 PM by MissWaverly
Look at how worked up the Congress was over Bill Clinton's scandal, which had nothing at all
to do with his presidency and everything to do with Bill Clinton, private citizen. Yet, since
2000 we have had a parade of questionable activities of this administration, with very little
oversight by the Congress. Something is amiss, we have gone off-track. I am not sure what
has happened but I believe that George and Team Bush will walk w/o penalties for what has
happened. They will never be held accountable by the Congress or the Justice Department.
Sometime in the future, after Bush and Cheney have passed on, then there will be a "full"
investigation, then there will be great moralizing, but I believe any real accountability
will come from the UN, the World Court and other countries.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:50 PM
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8. I do know that the minute GWB took office we no longer
became a nation governed by the people for the people. There was a time before that when a letter writing campaign or petitions or marches got the attention of our elected officials and they acted accordingly. Yet, as soon as GWB took office, no amount of citizens expressing their wishes has had any effect. We have been essentially ignored as if we didn't exist for any purpose except to generate taxes.

I am especially concerned as our Democrats have ignored us as well. I really wonder what they are afraid of and what they have been threatened with for not acting on our behalf. Even Jonathan Turley stated that there is much that the Democrats in Congress can do to stop the Bush administration in its tracks even though they are the minority party in both houses. He said they could refuse to vote and they could filibuster bringing the government to a halt.

Yet, they continue to pass questionable legislation that rubber stamps Bush's edicts. It really is very strange and disturbing.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:53 PM
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11. not only that but the states as well
they knew the election in 2004 was a mess, they knew the machines lost thousands of votes,
what did they do to protect democracy?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:56 PM
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13. Yes, I believe we need to cast a wide net and indict
all who were complicit in this coup and punish them severely especially where it hurts in the pocketbook.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:04 PM
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15. it's not going to happen
I am telling you because there are too many who have profited over our suffering, they
want the party to go on because it is their party, generous tax breaks, subsidies, oil
in Iraq, contracts, trips, hookers, limos, the list is endless of joy brought by
Bush to these vultures who are feeding off us.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:01 PM
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14. Bush mocks us the same way he mocked those he executed
remember him making fun of a woman who begged him to spare her life when he was governor of Texas, now he mocks us, 70% of the American people are unsettled, what a demeaning and
patronizing term.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:51 PM
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9. I believe that the history of the Republican coup d'etat will be
studied for many years to come in Schools all over the world as the classic case of the overthrow of a major government with the unwitting assistance of the Country's voters. Perhaps, safeguards will be put in place to make such a turn of events much more difficult to repeat.

As for Bush and those who supported him, they will live out their lives in luxurious splendor, believing in their innate superiority until the day they die. It will never occur to them that what they did was criminal and immoral in the extreme. Such is the nature of the socio-pathetic mind set.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:54 PM
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12. I think we need to make sure that this luxurious splendor doesn't
occur. Other than that, others will come along and see that they got away with it and will try it again just like all the miscreants from the Nixon administration did.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 03:21 PM
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35. I'm with on this. But, I don't think we will be able to punish the
guilty in any significant way.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:06 PM
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17. I agree with you unless...
the world holds them accountable
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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:17 PM
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25. It will be written in history
Many books will be written as historians look back with 20/20 vision and see just how much pain and suffering this bunch of criminals has caused.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:20 PM
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26. This period in history has certainly been an interesting time.
I hope that if nothing else we have learned our lessons and never let this happen again.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:30 PM
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28. I hope we can fix this voting issue soon
the main problem is that the Repuboicans have done every trick in the book to create a permanent
majority, we will have to circumvent this to steer the country in the right direction. We
need a country that serves the needs of its people, and when we write about something that
we care about to our representative, he should weigh the validity of our comment not our
party affiliation.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:21 PM
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27. the world will never be the same
we will never be trusted again as a nation
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diamondsndust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:05 PM
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16. make them get jobs??
ok, so maybe the twins could make a living as strippers or hookers, but what about Pickles? I guess she could get a job at the animal cookie factory... the could press her face in the dough to make the gorilla cookies...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:09 PM
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19. She is a librarian so they say.
Edited on Sat May-20-06 02:13 PM by Cleita
She could get a job as a librarian. I personally would rather see her mopping out vault toilets in a campground but that's unlikely.
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:45 PM
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6. At the very least, all the companies that got "rebuilding" contracts..
Edited on Sat May-20-06 01:56 PM by Minnesota_Lib
..and also happen to be major Bush and republican doners (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3231345.stm) should give back the money. Most of these contracts have gone unfulfiled yet the companies have been paid with our money. The worst part is that a percentage of these misgained profits will end up in the warchest of the RNC and their candidates through future donations. It is like a a way to funnel taxpayer monies to a poltical party.

That said, yes, I hope Bushco will be prosecuted for their crimes and unmatched corruption.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:48 PM
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7. MZM from the Cunningham scandal was also dummy company
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:52 PM
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10. Yes, those companies should be liquidated as aiding and
abetting a fraudulent administration and the funds acquired replaced in our Treasury to pay down the debt they incurred.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:08 PM
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18. that would be my dream as well
But why stop there, why not also seize the assets of the vote thieves, they were paid a pretty
penny to provide accurate electronic voting machines and then proceeded to con us.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:12 PM
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20. We shouldn't stop until we get them all.
Now I'm not for throwing all of them in jail except for those responsible for the unnecessary deaths of innocents and other criminal behavior. I would leave most of them out in the world penniless and homeless. They can figure out what to do from there.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:15 PM
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23. No argument here
and that argument also goes for the Randy Cunninghams who have betrayed our trust, no
pensions and lavish benefits.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:13 PM
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21. I think the RNC should make reparations
if it can be proved that govt. money was siphoned off then they should pay, like the people
in Florida that got Hurricane relief money from Hurricane Frances that were not in a Hurricane
zone, if that money was used to buy votes then the RNC should pay it back.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:14 PM
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22. Oh, definitely.
We need reparations to all the Katrina victims.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:16 PM
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24. and to all who were injured from working at Ground Zero
Edited on Sat May-20-06 02:19 PM by MissWaverly
compensate them as well, and every single journalist that receive a check from the govt.; they
should pay back every cent.
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:42 PM
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30. The recievers of no bid contracts and their donations can't be ignored..
Edited on Sat May-20-06 02:50 PM by Minnesota_Lib
I agree....the RNC has been geting laundered taxpayer money. It is like a neverending circle....start war, give contracts that don't have to be fulfilled, take dontations from those companies....look at Iran for next round. My tax dollars are being funneled to the RNC at the cost of human lives to help them stay in power.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:44 PM
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31. let's not forget the beanie baby king in Ohio: Mr. Noe
Ohio really needs scrutinized, the list there goes on and on.
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:53 PM
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33. Yuppers.....it is like a Pyramid scam using our money. (nt)
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 03:05 PM
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34. you got it
Edited on Sat May-20-06 03:12 PM by MissWaverly
You have won a recount of my favorite tin-foil conspiracy theory,
No need to hold your ears, it does not involve airplanes. When Bush ran for Office in
2004, I read it in both "Fooled Again" & in Impostor: how GWB bankrupted America &
betrayed the Reagan Legacy that Bush had pissed off his conservative base. Bartlett
said that only 82% of conservatives voted for Bush, according to exit polls, page 14 of
his book. I believe that Bush did not have the support of the people, it was a cleverly
staged sleight of hand by the media, the contracted voting vendors and others to
fix the election.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:40 PM
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29. Yes.
Dems won't do it, but yes.

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:48 PM
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32. well, maybe, it depends
there is a great rumble, it is rumble of pissed off voters, they see the ballooning deficits,
they see that the tax cuts are not for them, they see lavish getaways to Scotland and Hawaai
for government employees, they see administration officials living like corporate ceos, where
do they get that kind of money. Believe me 160,000 a year in DC is chickenfeed, it is very
expensive to live down there. If they toss most of the insiders out, and bring in capable
individuals who do not have the inside the beltway mentality, we may get real reform.
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