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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 11:02 PM
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Does possible Telco scapegoat Neustar, Inc. have White House connections?
I originally posted this information in this thread
which is titled "Did Telcos Hire "Scapegoat" To Give NSA Phone Records?". So I would suggest checking out that thread first. In it, the possibility is raised that third party companies, possibly Neustar among others, are being used as sort of intermediaries between the Telcos and the NSA for passing on phone call info. I've been asked to start a new thread on this subject so here it is. Of course, what I'm going to say is pure speculation and what I've found may be pure coincidence but it is intriguing. My original post is below.
Neustar's home page

Whois of the domain

Registrant Name: NeuStar, Inc.
Registrant Organization: NeuStar, Inc.
Registrant Address1: Loudoun Tech Center
Registrant Address2: 45980 Center Oak Plaza
Registrant City: Sterling
Registrant State/Province: Virginia
Registrant Postal Code: 20166
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.5714345757
Registrant Facsimile Number: +1.5714345758

Sterling, Virginia? Hmm... Doing some Googling, I discovered this post which claims that Neustar has registered the domain

Going to we see

This .US domain name was recently registered with NeuStar, Inc. This site is currently under construction. Please try back at a later date.

which would seem to confirm it.

A Whois of proves it. It shows the administrative, billing, and technical contacts all as being "Neustar" and at the same address etc. as the Whois record above. But... the "Registrant" info is different!

Domain ID: D665758-US
Sponsoring Registrar: .US RESERVE
Domain Status: serverTransferProhibited
Domain Status: inactive
Registrant ID: 10092-FEDEOP
Registrant Name: Carlos Solari
Registrant Organization: Whitehouse - Executive Office of the President
Registrant Address1: 1800 G Street
Registrant Address2: 10th Floor
Registrant City: Washington
Registrant State/Province: DC
Registrant Postal Code: 20502
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.2023950960
Registrant Facsimile Number: +1.2023956436

The registrant organization is "Whitehouse - Executive Office of the President"??? Is this some joker trying to masquerade as the Whitehouse? The registrant name is "Carlos Solari".

A little Googling came up with this.

Carlos Solari '79 had one of the most sensitive and fascinating positions in the White Housebut he can't say much about it. Not because he's modest, although he is; not because he's shy, because he's a friendly sort. Rather, it's because he was the chief information officer in charge of computer security for the past two and a half years, and, well, discretion comes with the job. A biology major, he's a prime example of how a scientific education can prepare a student for just about anythingsuch as careers in the military, the FBI and a presidential administration.

According to the Whois, the domain "" was registered Mon Nov 15, 2004 (for 99 years!). So the question is, was Solari working for the White House when the domain was registered? The article at isn't dated so that "two and a half years" statement doesn't help much, but this page is dated 02/21/05 and states

Carlos Solari, who spent the last 2 1⁄2 years as White House CIO, left last week to return to industry.

The registration date of Nov 2004 fits within the 2 1/2 year period before 2/21/05 so it looks like Solari worked for the White House when he and Neustar registered

Why was Neustar registered as the administrative, billing, and technical contact for a domain registered by a White House employee?

It appears that, at the very least, Neustar is a government contractor that specifically is involved with White House information systems. Hmm...
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 11:20 PM
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1. NeuStar profits triple.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 03:25 AM
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8. NeuStar
Edited on Sat May-20-06 03:40 AM by Emit
Seems to be a spin-off of Lockheed Martin, with private equity firm Warburg Pincus owning the majority of its shares.

The largest offering came just two days ago, when NeuStar Inc. (NYSE: NSR) netted $605 million, with over $500 million of it going to (former) majority shareholder Warburg Pincus.


NeuStar was founded in 1996 as an operating division of Lockheed Martin Corp., and was acquired in 1999 in a management buyout lead sponsored by Warburg Pincus. Warburg held a 71.59% pre-IPO stake, while other significant shareholders include MidOcean Partners (13.95%) and ABS Capital Partners (5.93%).

More info on NeuStar that may be of interest:

Business News
February 10, 2005
ICANN's .Net Evaluator Under Scope

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) said it is confident that Telcordia Technologies, its choice to pick the next .net manager from a list of bidders, can render a fair decision.

The comment comes in the wake of a Web of connections among the company and the bidders whose applications for the domain it will be reviewing.

"Substantial safeguards have been established to ensure that the members of the Telcordia evaluation team who review and analyze the applications do so in an objective manner independent of inappropriate influences," the governing body said in an advisory. "Neither Telcordia Technologies, Inc. nor individual members of the evaluation team has any financial interest in or similar dealings with any of the applicants."

But Telcordia has indirect connections with two of the five bidders: the incumbent .net owner VeriSign (Quote, Chart) and NeuLevel, which is owned by NeuStar.

NeuStar was formed five years ago by Warburg Pincus and Lockheed Martin to serve as the FCC-approved administrator of the North American Numbering Plan (NANP), which is the area code directory for telephones in the United States, Canada, Bermuda and much of the Caribbean.

U.S. GOVERNMENT SELECTS NEUSTARTO MANAGE NORTH AMERICAN NUMBERING PLAN ADMINISTRATION NeuStar Selected to Serve Second TermWASHINGTON, DC, July 14, 2003--NeuStar, Inc., the premier neutral third party provider of mission-critical clearinghouse services, announced today that the Company has been selected bythe Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to manage the North American Numbering Plan Administration (NANPA). Effective July 9, 2003, NeuStar assumed its second term as the NANPA. NeuStar was awarded a one-year contract with four one-year options to be exercised at the discretion of the FCC. NeuStar has administered this national public resource since 1997. In this vital role, NeuStar manages the critical responsibilities of NANPA, including code administration, area code exhaust forecasting and relief planning, and the collection and reporting of telephone number utilization and forecast data. In these dynamic times in the telecom industry, we remain committed to superior performance and the delivery of excellent service, said John Manning, the new Director of NeuStar/NANPA. NeuStar looks forward to the continued partnership it has built with the FCC, state regulatory authorities, and the telecommunications industry as a whole.

Company Overview
NeuStar (NYSE: NSR) is a leading provider of essential clearinghouse services to the global communications and Internet industry.

As the trusted, neutral, third-party provider of mission-critical database and clearinghouse services to the communications industry, NeuStar manages many of the resources that will lead to the true convergence of voice and data networks. More specifically, NeuStar manages:
North American Numbering Plan Administration (NANPA)
Local number portability (LNP) registry
CARE Clearinghouse, a mediation system that offers customer record information to local and long-distance telecommunications service providers
Internet Protocol (IP) registry services, including emerging convergence technologies such as ENUM
Registry services for the .US top-level domain
Also, NeuStar's subsidiary NeuLevel manages:
o Registry services for the .BIZ top-level domain (in a joint venture with Melbourne IT)
o The Registry gateway outside China for the .CN top-level domain
As a result of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, NeuStar emerged as a neutral, third party that facilitates competition across a tightly regulated industry. NeuStar abides by a strict neutrality policy, meaning that it will never show any preference or provide any special consideration to any company or service provider, either directly or indirectly. The FCC has found NeuStar to be in compliance with neutrality standards. NeuStar is headquartered in Sterling, VA.

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 07:23 AM
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14. You know what this tells me? NeuStar is a major hub of the privatized NSA
Edited on Sat May-20-06 07:40 AM by leveymg
In its multiple roles as registrar and monitor of internet addresses and area codes in the US and internationally, Neustar is ideally placed to tap all the traffic going through those systems.

How could the NSA resist? If Neustar didn't exist, the NSA would have to create it. Now, NSA is using its own proprietary (or, is it the other way around?) as a scapegoat -- a cutout, actually -- to shield its telcom partners from legal responsibility for warrantless wiretapping. How perfectly logical.

Of course, they artfully deny that their primary role is as an NSA tool by pointing to other revenue sources.
Based in Sterling, Va., NeuStar has developed a lucrative niche in the routing of millions of phone calls a day from one carrier to the next. "Nearly every telephone call placed is routed using NeuStar's system, and every telecommunications service provider is one of NeuStar's customers," the company's Web site states. NeuStar doesn't keep records of the calls it handles, a spokeswoman says.
Now NeuStar is seeking to profit from increased post-September 11 government pressure on telecoms to turn over data. Last year it acquired Fiducianet Inc., which helps phone company clients comply with "subpoenas, court orders, and law enforcement agency requests under electronic surveillance laws," according to a February, 2005, NeuStar press release. NeuStar says this part of its business accounts for less than 1% of total revenue. The company went public last June and reported 2005 revenue of $242.5 million.

NeuStar also provides services to federal agencies, but CEO Jeff Ganek says it hasn't done so for the NSA. The company has "absolutely nothing to do with any of the surveillance that's currently being discussed on Capitol Hill," Ganek stresses. All told, government contracts provide less than 2% of NeuStar's revenue, the company spokeswoman says. Government agencies sometimes seek NeuStar's help in identifying phone carriers that investigators plan to subpoena, she says, adding, "We do not provide any other information."

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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:51 AM
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24. More of those Orwellian names
fiducianet, inc.(SM) is headed by Michael Warren, a 29 year veteran of the FBI who was in charge of CALEA implementation for the Bureau before retiring in September 2000. The name fiducianet derives from the Latin word fiducia or "trust" in English.


(1) Former FBI wiretap expert H. Michael Warren recently joined the firm to launch a new consulting practice, Telecommunications and Law Enforcement Associates (TeLEA), which will provide clients with a variety of services, including analyzing existing compliance infrastructures under the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) and criminal discovery laws, facilitating key meetings with law enforcement officials and the Federal Communications Commission, developing compliance strategies, guides and reports, and conducting educational seminars.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 11:00 AM
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25. So, who's monitoring these guys? Why shouldn't they take their carte
blanche, and just run with it? What would you do if you were them, and had their mindset, politics and ethics?

First thing I would do is assure myself that I can stay in business. That means, they have to keep BushCo in office, and prevent a Democratic victory in November, no matter what.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 12:54 PM
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35. well, that's some handicapping system to have...

I feel such a system needs oversight by responsible, decent people. I can't see it going's almost a thing of beauty. You could play god with such a system, and that's scary...

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 12:59 PM
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38. Those who try to play G-d usually end up serving the other guy.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 07:59 PM
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49. Reign in hell or serve in heaven?...
I was going to add that in my original script but thought that it wouldn't express what I meant because it is more than a religious perspective. My mind gets trapped in ideas about what is personal power and what is political power...and I get to thinking that thirst for political power may assume personal weakness...

Anyway, I'm glad you said that and I wish I'd put it in my first note. I think you might understand and I appreciate insight.

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 11:12 AM
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26. leveymg
I had the same thought when I was reading these (and more) articles that I posted. The history of its inception implies something purposeful in its ultimate goals -- as if it was created with the NSA in mind or, at a minimum, with data mining in mind.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 12:27 PM
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31. Take that thought one step further
If you were planning on taking and keeping power in the United States, you would have to control NSA. You'd have to find a way to evade Congressional oversight, and get rid of the career military and DoD people with some scruples.

Privatization is your ticket. The contractors have no oaths or alliegance to any principles other than punching their meal tickets. There's practically no legal or Administrative oversight for contractors, and even less for information vendors. No federal law enforcement agency has the technology to oversee what they're doing.

No checks or balances. A prefect prescription for the perfect crime: the murder of democracy. The victim need not even know.

Gawd, I hope someone from the FBI, CIA or DIA is reading this, and recognizes the same danger that we do, and still has the power to do something.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 12:18 PM
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30. Also,
concerning the second part of your comment about NeuStar's role as an NSA tool and NeuStar's denial that "All told, government contracts provide less than 2% of NeuStar's revenue...", this info below, while a bit confusing to me as one who is not really all that computer literate, it seems to confirm that at least for a period of time (this is dated 2001) the US Government had a contract with NeuStar:

Redelegation of .us Country-Code Top-Level Domain

After a long governmental procurement process, on Friday, 26 October 2001, the United States Government entered an agreement with NeuStar, Inc. to provide registry services for the .us country-code top-level domain (ccTLD), replacing VeriSign, Inc. Consistent with this change in contracted operators, on Friday, 16 November 2001, the .us ccTLD was redelegated from VeriSign to NeuStar.

This redelegation occurred before the completion of the normal IANA requirements. The United States Government informed ICANN on 16 November 2001 that, because of complexities of U.S. procurement laws, it was not able to extend the existing arrangements with VeriSign nor complete the necessary three-way set of communications among itself, ICANN, and NeuStar. This presented a peculiar set of circumstances: ICANN was faced with the choice of (1) either authorizing a redelegation, or (2) creating a situation where the event would have occurred regardless but there would be inconsistent data in the IANA database. Given ICANN's primary mission focus on stability (and security as part of achieving stability), ICANN authorized an emergency redelegation prior to an appropriate contract.

All parties involved are committed to complete these contractual and other arrangements as soon as practicable following the end of the protest period (regarding the NeuStar contract) that is allowed for by U.S. law, this apparently being the earliest opportunity that U.S. law allows the U.S. Government to participate in contract negotiations. In its contract with NeuStar, the United States requires NeuStar to abide by the GAC principles (which require a binding written communication with ICANN), and has so committed to ICANN directly.

A full IANA report will be posted as soon as it is complete.

Also, this article here was helpful to me to understand some of the lingo being used in these articles, as well as what ICANN is, the history of some of this info, US Government involvement, etc. It even has a section at the end for ACRONYMS/ABBREVIATIONS/TECHNICAL TERMS/PROTOCOLS which was useful for me:


In the mid-1990s, the continued growth of demand for domain names placed strains on the Domain Name System (DNS) management, as what had been primarily technical issues became political, legal, and economic problems that attracted high-level official attention. ... Meanwhile, from a small company in 1993, NSI, the monopoly registrar and registry for gTLDs, had quickly become a multibillion dollar company.

Setting up ICANN: <44> in June 1998 that contained a policy statement of its intent to privatise the management and coordination of the DNS. In addition, it articulated four guiding principles that would be used during this transition process, namely stability, competition, representation and bottom-up policy-making. DoC has stated that the stability and security of this important global resource can best be achieved through privatisation of the technical management of the DNS and continued global co-operation, via appropriate public-private partnerships that reflect the international nature of the Internet.

The responses to this paper from the private sector were several proposals<45> , including one shepherded by Jon Postel from the newly created Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) a private non-profit corporation, incorporated in California. In November 1998 the US Department of Commerce entered into a Memorandum of Understanding with ICANN, to establish a process for transitioning the Domain Name System (DNS) from the US Government to the private sector <46>. In a separate agreement, the DoC contracted ICANN to perform the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) functions previously performed by other entities under US Government contracts. Under this contract <47> , ICANN allocates blocks of IP addresses to Regional Internet Number Registries (RIRs) that serve geographical regions...

As a part of the IANA functions contract, ICANN receives change requests and makes recommendations regarding them to the DoC, which has the operational oversight responsibility for the authoritative root zone file, All top level domain delegations, redelegations, and name server change requests require the final approval of the U.S. Government. The Department of Commerce directs VeriSign to make changes to the authoritative root zone file pursuant to Amendment 11 of their cooperative agreement upon recommendation of ICANN. ICANNs legitimacy, processes, structure, and handling of a number of issues have been questioned by various stake-holders...


There is also new competition in 2005 to provide registry services for .net, after Verisigns contract terminates 30 June 2005. ... The fifth applicant is Sentan (a joint partnership between NeuLevel and Japan Registry Services).


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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 12:47 PM
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33. He who controls the map, and the order of battle, wins the war.
The ICANN system is really the map -- and order of battle (the list of the commanding officers) -- of the Internet. Before an Internet site can be launched, and a domain name and URL registered, one must provide extensive information about who owns and administers the site. NeuStar keeps that information, and has a map of how every site is hooked into the Internet, along with a description of their servers, and a potential porthole into their computers.

When you combine that data with computers that can analyse content, you have a powerful tool for tracking all significant political, social, and economic developments in real-time.

The KGB never had it so good.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 06:56 PM
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46. If you read the OP, it says that the CEO of the company was in the WH
for two and a half years. He left in Feb. 2005. That made me wonder ~ speculate actually. But I couldn't help wondering if such a company could control the voting machines? Is that too far-fetched? Why would such a person set up business in the WH? And Rove was very busy on computers that night.

I also remember Wolf Blitzer on CNN on election night, not wanting to call New Mexico for Bush. He kept getting interrupted by someone talking to him in his ear-phone. He finally said that the WH was asking him to call NM but that he would prefer to wait. I got the feeling he wanted us to know he was under pressure. NM stopped counting for the night, as I recall, but in the end, Wolf called it for Bush. I was furious, and wondered how they could be so sure.

I don't understand anything about this technology, but there are so many 'coincidences' as the OP demonstrates. And I would put nothing past these people, absolutely nothing.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 12:49 PM
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34. totally agree. Congress ought to know about this for its investigations,
just in case it REALLY wants to get to the bottom of NSA spying.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 12:55 PM
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36. Supposedly, if Cong. wanted to do something, they'd already know this.
Edited on Sat May-20-06 12:56 PM by leveymg
It's our responsibility to get this info out to the grassroots. It's the people who have no idea about the way the system operates, and that NSA is really a bunch of private companies. Even fewer understand that private Total Information Awareness is fatal for a democratic society.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:10 PM
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39. I wonder how many big shot RWers and politicians
are NeuStar shareholders.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 11:38 PM
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2. Great catch!
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 11:47 PM
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3. Thanks.
Obviously you and someone else both liked it enough to recommend it. My fear is that I posted it too late at night and that it will fall off of the page before many people see it. I'm sure that there is a lot of interesting research to be done on this. Damn, I wish I could get a job doing this kind of research!
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 12:29 AM
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4. No worries
I will help keep it kicked until people recognize it's importance. :)
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:06 AM
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5. K&R!
lets see what else is out there about Neustar
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:58 AM
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6. So an IT guy that worked at the WH is the head of this...
Edited on Sat May-20-06 02:01 AM by spuddonna
And the whois resolved with registration info directly to the WH...

My brain is going to explode. Nice work! :) Dfinitely kicked and recommended!

ETA: My bad, he wasn't 'an IT guy', he was the IT guy - "chief information officer (CIO) in the Executive Office of the President (EOP)". whoa...
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:18 AM
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7. There isn't an end to their
It is almost like they WANT us to find this stuff. :scared:
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 04:30 AM
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9. Excellent research drm604!! 'Whitehouse connections!! It's almost
funny when you think about it. Connections in every sense of the word! I can't even begin to understand what this means ~ maybe we should send this around to some media people, not that I have much faith in them doing anything to find out what it all means.

I don't know why, but I'm thinking about those pictures of Karl Rove and Susan Ralston with all those computers in the White House on the evening of the Election! Since I don't know what this company does exactly, I'll try not to speculate too much. No, I would probably be wrong, looking at the date the Domain was registered. November 15, 2004! But Solari may have been there before that. He apparently was there for 21/2 years. I wonder what he was doing? And he left not long after the election, in February 2005. Maybe his work was done??

Could a company like that connect to say, Diebold computers? Probably not. I know I'm getting carried away ~ but absolutely nothing would surprise me anymore ~ everything I thought was impossible to imagine four years, has already happened and more.

I think this is very important and I wish someone would give you a job doing this kind of research ~ great detective work!

I hope some technical people see this ~ thank you for posting it ~

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 07:02 AM
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10. Another case of the revolving door
Solari appears to be just another former Gov't contracting officer who took the golden parachute ride into the private sector where he's gone to work as executive for a contractor. Has anyone checked to see whether NeuStar has federal contracts?

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 07:07 AM
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11. Astonishing. Just astonishing...
GOD I wish there was a media. I miss a mass news media.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 07:11 AM
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12. Weird.
Edited on Sat May-20-06 07:58 AM by Xap
My long distance service was slammed a few months ago and the illicit change of service order was processed through Neustar. :shrug:

Coincidental, I presume, is the fact that I successfully changed my LD service to Qwest and "they" changed it back to my old company without my authorization to do so. :shrug:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 07:14 AM
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13. Here's more on NeuStar: tracks cellphone calls in 210 countries
Here it is, guys. Give you a dollar for a dime, NeuStar is a private sector front for the NSA. How could they resist? Look at this:
NeuStar to Oversee Global Database Contract
Management Deal May Link Mobile-Phone Users in 210 Countries, Territories

By Arshad Mohammed
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 28, 2005; Page D05

NeuStar Inc. of Sterling won a contract to manage a database that may eventually allow more than 1.5 billion people around the world to send each other e-mail, pictures and video on their mobile phones. The deal, which NeuStar officials said is to be announced in Singapore today, positions the company to move into what is expected to be the high-growth area of exchanging data over wireless devices.

Under an agreement with the GSM Association, a trade group, NeuStar will operate the address databases that direct the flow of content for more than 680 GSM mobile-phone operators in about 210 countries and territories. GSM, the Global System for Mobile Communications, is the most popular mobile-phone technology abroad and is used by U.S. carriers Cingular Wireless and T-Mobile.

At its simplest, the database would help identify the mobile phones on a GSM network that are sending or receiving video, e-mail or photos and route the data to and from the intended devices.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 07:25 AM
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15. Very interesting....
So they do the dirty work for AT&T and Verizon??
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 08:04 AM
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17. Yes.
So, long story short...(if I understand it correctly) is that Bushco/NSA strongarm Telco.
Telco are reluctant to be involved.
So, Bushco/NSA create company to do dirty work.
Telco contracts with said company thinking it absolves them (it might legally, not sure.)
So, Bushco/NSA just did an end run through the American people.
They are accessing your phone records under the guise that Telco is doing it, but make no mistake, it is our government and its minions who are doing it.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 07:56 AM
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16. Wow! Great find!
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 08:38 AM
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18. kick
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 09:28 AM
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19. Excellent research! rec'd. Let's hope the media picks up on this since
they are now aware that it effects them as well.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 09:57 AM
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20. as I predicted when the parsed denials came out: they ALL said they
didn't work with NSA, but that left the door open for a front org.
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carincross Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:42 AM
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21. Greg Palast picked ChoicePoint Inc
Last week Greg Palast picked ChoicePoint Inc., the company that created the felony lists in Florida, as a company that sells data to the government.

It might also be profitable to look at the companies that do billing for Bell South, Verizon, etc. Such companies could have all of the data that NSA needs, so that the Telcos could claim innocence. Obviously, the Telcos are concerned because this is affecting the bottom line. People are switching from these companies because of privacy concerns.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 12:55 PM
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37. I know that some DUers do not like this website,
but the latest posting from the Voice of the White House had a lot of information about Choicepoint, so it seems relevant in this discussion. Mods, if this is inappropriate, please delete.

In the United States today, the top collector and disseminator of highly personal information to include DNA data, is called ChoicePoint. This company, as of May 1, 2006, has amassed over 17 billion files on American citizens. This entity was formed in 1997, is based in Alpharetta, Georgia and its stated purpose is to provide what its corporate site states are "Identification and credential verification services". It obtains and sells to more than 50,000 businesses the personal information of consumers, including their names, Social Security numbers, birth dates, employment information, and credit histories. ChoicePoint employs 4,600 persons at its 52 locations within 26 states. ChoicePoint maintains a database of names, addresses, Social Security numbers, credit reports, and other sensitive information. And its stated intention is to build a database of DNA samples from every person in the United States which ChoicePoint then will link to all the other personal information files Its chief operating officers are: Derek V. Smith, CEO,Douglas C. Curling, President/COO, Steven W. Surbaugh, CFO, J. Michael de Janes, Gen. Counsel and David T. Lee, Exec. VP

ChoicePoint is the most important provider of DNA info to the FBI. Its DNA laboratory aided in the identification of victims of the WTC attacks, and data supplied by ChoicePoint was used in the Beltway Snipers investigation. Choicepoint also assisted the Transportation Security Administration in investigating 112,278 applicants. The US Department of Justice and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children credit the corporation with assisting in the return of ~800 missing children . It also contracts with over 7,500 state and local government agencies, including law enforcement and has complete files on the voting records of all Americans. In 2002, ChoicePoint generated earnings of ~200 million USD on revenue of ~791 million USD. In total, ChoicePoint has received over one billion dollars from its cooperation with U.S. governmental agencies.


And, among other similar problems, ChoicePoint was fired by the Illinois State Police because the company had supplied faked DNA results on Illinois rape cases In January 2000, Pennsylvania terminated its contract with ChoicePoint after alleging that the firm had illegally sold citizens' personal information.

Like Diebold, the voting machine company, ChoicePoint has been, and is, staunchly Republican, and as a case in point, they became heavily involved in Florida politics, being especially aggressive in the 2000 Presidential campaign. Earlier, in 1998 the state of Florida signed a 4 million dollar contract with Database Technologies (DBT Online), which later was merged into ChoicePoint, for the purposes of providing a central voter file listing those barred from voting. As of 2002, Florida was the only state that hired a private firm for these purposes. Prior to contracting with Database Technologies, Florida contracted with a smaller operator for 5,700 dollars per year. The state of Florida contracted with DBT in November 1998, following the controversial Miami mayoral race of 1997. The 1998 contracting process involved no bidding and was worth 2,317,800 dollars.

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987654321 Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:42 AM
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22. Thank you!
I appreciate your research, the time and energy you spent looking into this. I've learned a lot. I only wish that the mainstream media would pick up on this story. It is scary to say the least, and it shows once again the disgusting nature of this fascist administration. I look forward to learning more and I am forwarding this information to everyone I know.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:45 AM
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23. great work everyone
to bad this will never be seen on any major news source in the usa....but there is always raw story,huff`s,and others. hell even the other side is just as pissed off about the phone story. need to keep this alive until monday so we can email everyone. i`m bookmarking for first thing monday morning.

great work everyone
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 11:18 AM
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27. Terrific detective work !
Now let's add this to the list of questions for their CEO's polygraph.

A convenient little front company to get around that pesky FCC huh? Well the Democrat dogs got a whiff of this fox now. The hunt is on!!
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 11:50 AM
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28. Wow
When I posted this late last night I assumed it would just scroll off of the page into oblivion unseen by the majority of sleeping DUers. Instead, I check this morning and it's at the top of DUs front page! Thank you everyone! :bounce:

Please keep in mind that this could all be coincidence. A little more research on my part shows that Neustar is the official registry operator for .us domains. So if the White House IT office has been trying to head off cybersquatters by buying up all possible variations of whitehouse.--- then, to obtain "" they apparently would have to go through Neustar for the registration. So there may be no nefarious connection here. I'm not sure why the registrar is listed as the administrative, billing, and technical contact, but that may just be the way they like to do things.

I'm not trying to throw cold water on anything, but I did want to clarify what a little further research has shown me.

Others seem to think that there is a connection between Neustar and the whole phone records scandal, so they may still be involved somehow. But this particular White House connection may be nothing.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 12:31 PM
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32. I discovered from reading last night
that Neustar is the official registry operator for .us domains, too and considered, also, that there may be no nefarious connection here -- Nevertheless, after reading some about them -- especially some of the points/questions leveymg has made/raised, there is info here that should raise some red flags and is worth looking into.

Thanks for posting this, drm604.

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 03:23 PM
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43. Your info on Neustar has revealed the relationship b/w US Gov
and ICANN. Here's some more info on that. Both of these articles came from this website called ICANN Watch: :

There is substantial evidence, discussed below, that DoC has directly instructed ICANN on policy matters. Furthermore, as ICANN is utterly dependent on DoC for ICANN's continuing authority, funding, and, indeed, its reason for being, it would be reasonable to conclude that the corporation is currently so captive that all of ICANN's decisions can fairly be charged to the government. If so, the DNS has not, in fact, been privatized at all, even temporarily. At least in cases where ICANN does what DoC tells it to do, and arguably in all cases, DoC's use of a private corporation to implement policy decisions represents an end run around the APA and the Constitution. To the extent that DoC launders its policy choices through a cat's paw, the public's right to notice and meaningful comment; to accountable decisionmaking; to due process; and to protection against arbitrary and capricious policy choices, self-dealing, or ex parte proceedings are all attenuated or eliminated; so, too, is the prospect of any meaningful judicial review. The result is precisely the type of illegitimate agency decisionmaking that modern administrative law claims to be most anxious to prevent.{29}


Democratic theory suggests that the absence of accountability tends to breed arbitrariness and self-dealing.{38} In addition to avoiding governmental accountability mechanisms, ICANN lacks much of the accountability normally found in corporations and in nonprofits. Or- <*pg 30> dinary corporations have shareholders and competitors. ICANN does not because it is nonprofit and has a unique relationship with the Department of Commerce. Many nonprofit organizations have members who can challenge corporate misbehavior. ICANN has taken steps to ensure that its "members" are denied such legal redress under California law.{39} All but the wealthiest nonprofits are constrained by needing to raise funds; ICANN faced such constraints in its early days, but it has now leveraged its control over the legacy root into promises of contributions from the registrars that have agreed to accept ICANN's authority over them in exchange for the ability to sell registrations in .com, .org and .net, and from NSI, the dominant registrar and monopoly .com/.org/.net registry,{40} which agreed to pay $2.25 million to ICANN this year as part of agreements hammered out with DoC and ICANN.{41} The result is a body that, to date, has been subject to minimal accountability. Only DoC (and, in one special set of cases, NSI or registrars{42}) currently has the power to hold ICANN account- <*pg 31> able. NSI currently has no incentive to use its limited power, and DoC has nothing to complain of so long as ICANN is executing the instructions set out in the White Paper. The accountability gap will get worse if DoC gives full control of the DNS to ICANN.{43} But it should be <*pg 32> noted that opinions may differ as to whether DoC could legally give away its interest in DNS to ICANN without an act of Congress. It is likewise unclear what precisely "giving away control" would consist of beyond DoC's interest in its contracts with the maintainer of the root, since the most important part of anyone's "control" over the root is publishing data that other parties, many of whom are independent of the government, choose to rely on.{44}


If ICANN is engaged in policymaking, and if DoC is reviewing these decisions and retaining the authority to countermand them, then DoC's adoption of or approval of ICANN's regulatory and policy decisions are subject to the APA. One could argue as to whether DoC's approval is an informal adjudication under the APA,{45} or whether due to its overwhelming influence over ICANN and due to its adopting ICANN's rules, DoC is engaged in rulemaking without proper notice and comment. In either case, however, the APA has been violated.


ICANN is a flawed attempt to tackle a genuinely difficult policy problem: what the U.S. government should do with its almost accidental control over the DNS, an essential element of an increasingly global communications network. The DNS problem is complicated because of its significance to e-commerce and expressive rights, its international aspects, its affect on trademark and perhaps other intellectual property rights, and because control over the DNS could be misused if it fell into the wrong hands. Further complicating matters, while the United States currently has de facto control over the DNS, and its direct control of a minority of the root servers makes it difficult to see how anyone else could supplant it, the legal basis and likely permanence of that control are not beyond any imaginable challenge. Last, but not least, Congress has yet to legislate on DNS management other than to pass one bill providing private rights against cybersquatters.{670}


This new corporation -- ICANN, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers -- has, over the past several months, set up shop and gotten to work. It's been a busy time. It has begun to establish "Supporting Organizations," new coalitions comprising various Internet constituencies (e.,g., domain name registrars, trademark owners) who will be responsible for electing certain members of the ICANN Board of Directors and for formulating aspects of domain name policy. It has accredited five companies (America Online, CORE (Internet Council of Registrars), France Telecom/Olane, Melbourne IT, and to begin issuing registrations in the COM, ORG, and NET, domains during a two-month test period (along with twenty-nine other entities who can begin accepting registrations in these domains once the test phase is completed). It commissioned, and recently adopted (in part), a report from the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) outlining the procedures to be used in cases involving "cybersquatting" (the intentional "warehousing" of domain names for later sale).


And that is why these are governance questions, why any reorganization of this system, far from being an arcane technical detail of Internet engineering, is inherently of constitutional significance. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely -- on the Internet as elsewhere. Questions about constraining any form of absolute power are constitutional questions of the highest order, and "governance" means nothing more (and nothing less) than the search for mechanisms to insure that absolute power is not exercised in an unjust or oppressive manner. How can we be assured that ICANN will be able to resist pressures to stray beyond this limited "technical" mandate? Where are the checks on the new corporation's exercise of its powers?

You think, perhaps, that I exaggerate the significance of these developments, and perhaps I do. But let me point to a few dark clouds on the horizon that make me very, very nervous about what ICANN is up to. Remember all those things you could do if you were in control of the root? Like " require that domain server operators pay you a certain fee"? Well, ICANN has imposed the requirement that each accredited registrar pay ICANN a fee of $1 for each new domain name they hand out -- can anyone say "taxation without representation"? Or "provide you with particular kinds of information about the people to whom they have handed out specific names and addresses"? ICANN, having now endorsed the WIPO Report referenced earlier, is about to impose a requirement on all domain name registrars that they collect and make available "accurate and reliable contact details of domain name holders," and that they agree to "cancel the domain name registrations" wherever those contact details are shown to be "inaccurate and unreliable."-- a move with grave consequences for the continued viability of anonymous communications on the Internet. Or "abide by a particular set of laws or rules or regulations"? The WIPO Report, again, envisions that all claims by trademark holders that a domain name registrant registered an infringing name "in bad faith" be submitted to a single, uniform, worldwide dispute resolution process for adjudication. .
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 04:32 PM
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45. you've got it alllll wrong drm!
It's all because of MEEEEE!

my complaint that people were too busy paying attention the crap like the language bill being debated was drawing people's attention away from the REAL issues, like the one you brought up the had NARY a response... HA... okay, definitely not.

but really, it was your hard work and follow-up post within your DU Journal that has ignited this story again, don't fret, real good stories or things we should look into don't fade away, especially if you repost new info you find while researching, and I THANK YOU so much for doing your 'homework', yet again, and making a lot of people look into this.

This could be yet another nail in the coffin for the corrupt adm., and you'll have been a part of it, and even if it's not, you exposed yet again, how they are piercing their claws into all data and communication outlets around the Earth!

kudos to you... <----- CHECK IT OUT! a great anti-bush pro-dem sticker shop!
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 11:52 AM
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29. surely Neustar isn't the only company doing this, so..
Edited on Sat May-20-06 12:10 PM by phoebe
FWIW..found COMPTEL, which appears to be a lobbying outfit - Neustar exec. is one of many of their "top CEO's"

snip - mission statement


...For nearly 25 years, COMPTEL has served as an advocate for the competitive telecommunications industry before Congress, the White House, and the Federal Communications Commission. Moreover, COMPTEL is active in state regulatory and legislative proceedings, as well as beyond U.S. borders through information submitted to the United States Trade Representative (USTR) as part of World Trade Organization (WTO) proceedings.

As a fierce advocate for the principles of a competitive telecommunications marketplace, COMPTEL is active in proceedings underway at the FCC and state regulatory agencies, before Congress and the Bush Administration, in the international arena, and in the courts. COMPTEL focuses its policy advocacy efforts on five key areas:

network access
cost-based pricing
international market access
COMPTEL encourages its active and vocal membership to participate in its committees regulatory, legislative, international, and the meetings council, supplier council, and PR task force. These committees are vital in helping the association formulate its positions and policy strategies as new industry trends develop. COMPTEL also hosts a CEO Council, which provides top executives a forum to network and discuss business, technology and policy issues impacting their companies and the industry.

There is a list of about 100 (?) companies alongside Neustar.

We're looking at the next step towards National ID cards here - would suggest that a majority of these companies are linked to the Liberty Alliance Project ideals.

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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 01:54 PM
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40. Key phrase "plausible deniability" for telcos
This is how the telecom megacompanies get plausible deniability, a phrase that was prominent in Reagan's Iran-Contra corruption scandal. The phone companies sell to a third company like Neustar, which then sells the records to the government. Not only do the phone companies get to say "we didn't give records to the government", but there's a fat profit for little work by the middlemen or women.
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 03:13 PM
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41. OK Drm604 - here's a little something that could well be
described ( by me even as "tin-foil-hattery" )...but bear with me....

What you see below describes the "services" offered by a number of "network management" firms "connecting your business seamlessly across the globe" the (and others) are HUBS that connect ALL the spokes....therefor EVERY piece of data passes thru no need for permission or contracts from the TELCOS or - for that matter VISA , AMEX , BANKS etc. etc......ultimate plausible deniability on their part...Gov't "owns" access to the data "at will" - possibly paying the HUBS but probably not even having to do that..

NeuStar provides clearinghouse services, which include databases and systems for workflow and transaction processing. Our customers access our clearinghouse databases through standard interfaces, which allow service providers to exchange operationally essential data in an efficient, secure, cost-effective and competitively neutral manner.

Today, our services allow our customers to manage competitive churn, subscriber growth, technology change, network optimization, and industry consolidation. NeuStar services are essential to the growth of new service providers and new end-user services as the industry shifts from conventional circuit-switched communications to Internet Protocol (IP) and third-generation (3G) wireless technology.

We provide the communications industry in North America with critical technology services that meet the addressing, interoperability and infrastructure needs of service providers. These services are now used by service providers to manage a range of their technical and operating requirements, including:

AddressingEnabling service providers to use critical, shared addressing resources such as telephone numbers, Internet top-level domain names and Common Short Codes.

Number Administration

NANP Administration
Number Pooling
Domain Name Services

.BIZ Domain
.US Domain Domain
.tw Domain Registry Gateway (Taiwan)
.cn Domain Registry Gateway (China)
Other Services

Common Short Codes (CSCs)
European Telephony Numbering Space (ETNS)
Wireless Do-Not-Call (WDNC)
InteroperabilityEnabling service providers to exchange and share critical operating data so that communications originating on one provider's network can be delivered and received on the network of another service provider. We also facilitate order management and workflow processing among service providers.

Order Management

Access Service Request (ASR)
Customer Account Record Exchange (CARE)
Enhanced 911 (E911)
Enhanced Service Request (ESR)
Identity Services Exchange
Intercarrier Communications Process (ICP)
Line Information Database / Calling Name (LIDB/CNAM)
Local Service Request (LSR)
Pre-Port Validation
IP Exchange Services

Wireless Message Routing Service (WMRS)
Other Services

Local Number Portability (LNP)
Wireless Number Portability (WNP)

InfrastructureEnabling service providers to more efficiently manage changes in their own networks by centrally managing certain critical data they use to route communications over their own networks.

Network Management

Bulk Hot Cut Migration
Loss Notification Service
Trouble Administration Management (TAM)
Other Services

Fiduciary Compliance Services (CALEA)
Service Order Administration (SOA)
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 03:15 PM
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42. Oh - and for good measure...
check out NeuLevel - a subsidiary of Neustar.

Info on Neustar business registration can be found at
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 04:23 PM
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44. NeuStars services (Feduciary Compliance Services)
Edited on Sat May-20-06 04:27 PM by banana republican
NeuStar's Fiduciary Services enable service providers to implement scalable and affordable legal compliance solutions to improve bottom line performance by containing the costs related to mandated services.

As the service provider's agent, NeuStar manages obligations to comply with all legal requests from authorities and ensures the proper fulfillment of:

* Court-ordered records production
* Technical assistance in lawful interception of communications

* Subscriber assistance in handling annoying and harassing calls

Well; the telecoms are right. They never sent anything to the Gov't. they only sent it NeuStar....

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Stalwart Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 07:14 PM
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47. NeuStar Acquired Fiducianet
Fiducianet was acquired by NeuStar for 2.2 million /

The Fiducianet CEO, H. Michael Warren was previously the Chief, Resources Information Division, FBI.

Info on Fiducianet from this source:
April 23, 2003--fiducianet, inc.(TM) the nation's first service bureau designed to allow telecommunications carriers to outsource their subpoena processing and court ordered technical assistance in support of law enforcement, achieved another milestone by signing Cbeyond Communications, a telecommunications service provider based in Atlanta, Georgia.

This: Is a long but somewhat interesting statement made before the FCC in November 2004 describing what they do. One part stresses that they act as an agent of the telecommunications company, not a contractor.

Warren's move from government to business has probably been very profitable as anticipated by this: (2004-04-05). Note Warrens last statement:

"If Bush is reelected, Congress will be primed for this," he said. "Expectations for privacy are being lowered right now. They'll have law enforcement behind them, and with congressmen and senators up for reelection, they'll feel pressured to have this in place to make up for what they'll lose when the sunset provisions go into effect. But," he added, "if Bush is defeated, this could go south."
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 07:50 PM
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48. H. Michael Warren , as President of Fiducianet, wrote a piece entitled
Edited on Sat May-20-06 07:54 PM by phoebe
Are Law Enforcements Demands for Your Customers Records Creating Unnecessary Costs for Your Company?


What set this trend in motion?

The source of these trends is not just an amendment to federal and state electronic surveillance laws. The trends are also fueled by an increase in the appetite for information by Federal agencies locked in a pitched battle with crime and terrorism, and by the carriers themselves.

As technology has made the access of network elements and information more automated, carriers have created vast digital reservoirs of electronic customer data that law enforcement can use to develop information on terror and criminal subjects actions. As carriers build sophisticated new OSS systems to drive efficiencies into their network operations, they have inadvertently created a new burden for themselves. As Law enforcement has become increasingly aware of the existence of these digital reservoirs of customer information they are demanding the production of these electronic files with greater frequency and with consistently broader scope. Unfortunately, most carriers do not have the personnel or the business systems in place to conduct these broad record production searches.


So, why is this the carriers burden?

Carriers receive subpoenas, court orders and search warrants in legal proceedings. These orders routinely command the production of records, usually subscriber information and call detail records. With few exceptions the Government is not obligated to pay for the costs associated with the production of a carriers business records. In most matters, the telecommunications carrier is not a party to the litigation or proceeding. As a non-party record keeper, the carrier generates and maintains records, in the regular course of its business, that are considered relevant evidence by one or more parties to the litigation. A non-party record keeper may object to a subpoena but the types of objections it has standing to raise are limited. In a criminal matter, by statute or court ruling, the carrier must produce the records at the carriers expense. Even though it is not a party to the litigation, the carrier must comply.


Assuming that you have validated the legal process, clarified its scope, accessed the records and prepared them for delivery to law enforcement, what next? Well, as the non-party records keeper, the custodian of records in legal parlance, you have to be prepared to deliver the records to the court and testify as to their authenticity. No wonder its such a drain on resources.


Is a Service Bureau Solution right for your company?
Increasing a companys focus on its core competencies is the primary motivator for outsourcing, followed closely by cost savings and access to high-level expertise in specific functions and state-of-the-art technology. Other reasons include focus on strategic growth, maintain or reduce head count, redirect capital budget, and asset reduction. Outsourcing can improve effectiveness and efficiency and reduce risks by allowing access to people with deep domain knowledge and experience and more efficient processes driven by state-of-the-art technology. And depending on where you set in the organization the perception of value may differ. Senior executives may want to hear about the impact on costs and return on investment, while mid-level managers may be most interested in process efficiency and access to expertise. Outsourcing is a viable model to gain a streamlined, efficient, and knowledgeable operation that doesnt have to be highly managed on a day-to-day basis.


Process and Cost Analysis (*)

1. Volume of legal demands:

a. Identify the number of subpoenas, court orders and search warrants received for the production of records annually?

i. Subpoenas ____
ii. Court Orders ____
iii. Search Warrants ____

iv. Total # of legal demands __________

b. Of the requests received, how many require exceptions processing? (require contact with LEA or requesting attorney) (Usually between 10% - 20% of total legal demands) Who handles this function and at what cost?

i. Subpoenas ____
ii. Court Orders ____
iii. Search Warrants ____

iv. Total # of legal demands
requiring Exceptions Processing? _________
2. Costs Analysis:

a. Personnel, benefits, facilities, supplies, etc. $____________
b. Cost of Testimony at Trial, Hearing or Deposition $____________
c. Technology and IT (MIS) Support Costs $____________
d. Legal Department support costs: $____________

Total Costs $____________

e. Payment and/or Reimbursement of Costs
by LEA, Court, Civil Attorneys $____________

Net Costs (Total Costs e) $____________

Cost per legal demand

(Net Costs # of Legal Demands) $____________

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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 08:17 PM
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51. Jim Rutt was primarily responsible for financing Fiducianet


This round brings to fiducianet, inc.SM the capital it needs to finance the business into the foreseeable future, said Mike Warren, President. The round was led by Jim Rutt, former CEO of Network Solutions, and included former executives of Network Solutions as well as The Thomson Corp. Angel investors are being really selective these days, Warren stated. The vote of confidence these experienced technology executives bring with their investment is an important affirmation of the strength of the opportunity and our ability to capture it, he added.

Jim Rutt and his fellow investors are convinced that fiducianet has developed a strong service offering that is differentiated from others in the space. Mike Warren has assembled a team with the deepest domain knowledge in the space, Rutt offered. And, this group of investors has the capacity to assist fiducianet that extends way past our money. We can help them as they introduce themselves to potential customers, including the extension of their services into the internet provider community, said Rutt. Jim Rutt was the CEO of Network Solutions prior to its acquisition by Verisign (Nasdaq: VRSN) in June of 2000. His roots in the online information and internet industries include co-founder of First Call Corporation, Chief Technology Officer of The Thomson Corporation (NYSE: TOC), and various positions at THE SOURCE, the first consumer and small business online service.

Jim Rutt was THE man for web ideas and solutions for "at least 2 decades" according to some..
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 08:04 PM
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50. Wow! Great digging! This belongs in the DU Research Forum!
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:58 PM
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52. 1800 G St, NW? Isn't that the location of the World Bank building?
I don't know which side of the street is even and which is odd.

I'm guessing NW. It could be in one of the other quadrants.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 12:32 AM
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53. Possibly.
It looks like 1800 G Street is some kind of high rise containing a lot of different offices, many of which are government offices.

I don't think the address is a clue to anything. There are probably lots of unrelated entities sharing that building.
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:18 PM
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55. according to one site it's Dept. of Commerce
Edited on Sun May-21-06 01:51 PM by phoebe
Chief Counsel and Director of Administration (for their respective portions), National Telecommunications and Information Administration, U.S. Department of Commerce, 1800 G Street, NW, Washington, DC 20504

The National TIA - Telecommunications and Information Admin. or Total Information Awareness..

yet according to this site

the address is here:

National Telecommunications and Information Administration
U.S. Department of Commerce
1401 Constitution Ave., NW
Room 4713
Washington, D.C. 20230

and to another
it's the:
Directorate for Biological Sciences
1800 G Street NW
Washington, DC 20550

So yes, it probably is a building with multiple offices thus the difference in the zip codes shown.

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:24 AM
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54. Wow, I'm going to have to read this stuff when I can see... the morning.
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