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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:15 PM
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OFFICIAL TRUTHOUT/LEOPOLD/ROVE INDICTMENT THREAD 3
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:17 PM
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1. I still believe he has been indicted.
We'll know soon.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. I think so too.
But if he isn't, I won't take it personal.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:19 PM
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4. me 2
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. You know what is gonna be FUNNY?
The silence from all of the nay-sayers when we find out that Leopold was correct.

I have some inside communications on this matter, and the TO folks still believe that this was an honest scoop.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. I've naysayed as much as anyone....
..and if I'm wrong I won't be silent.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #15
30. Well, good for you.
I respect that.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. Yeah, yeah, we know
Your insider information is probably incredible, and I, for one, am breathless with admiration for your special status.

An honest scoop?

More like a bent ice cream scoop.

Now, can you - or Leopold - say "triangulation"? Hard to respect a "journalist" who doesn't know how to do legwork.

But, rest assured, your "insider information" is dazzling. Just the announcement of it has caused the villagers to run into the streets. There is much gnashing of teeth, moaning, rending of garments, and they're probably going to light the torches at sundown - all in your honor.

heh heh heh

Thanks for the laugh.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #17
22. Now that was rude and uncalled for. nt
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #22
35. Au contraire
It was an opinion expressed to your precious and pretentious post.

All in the same vein.

There's much to be said for people who dish it out but can't take it.

Wait.

No, there isn't.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:36 PM
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65. I used to have quite a bit of respect for you, but I am rapidly losing it.
It is not pretense to say that I know people who work for TO and that I correspond with them.

Pretense implies a lie, moreover, so you just called me a liar.

When have I ever been equally rude to you?

And what cause have you to be so rude to me now?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #65
74. What you're calling "rude" is in dispute,
but if you feel better characterizing my responses to you as such, please continue to do so.

When someone posts that sort of silliness, that someone should expect to be called on it.

By the way, what is this special information that will turn a fictional story into fact?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Or do you just like to post teasers?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #74
90. I think I'm done responding to you.
Until you can be civil.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #90
93. Thank you
Whatever it takes.

Praise jeeebus.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #90
107. That's the thing I really like about the "Ignore" button.....
...I've added quite a few posters to my list since last Friday.

Try it...it can be very liberating. :-)
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #107
114. I just did.
But damn I hated to.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #107
115. It's easier to pop that button than to respond to legit questions.
Ignore! Recommend! Ignore! Recommend!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #115
120. Maddy, you know darned well I respond to real questions.
Its when I am called a liar to my face that I think the line has been crossed.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:07 PM
Original message
I wasn't responding to you.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #107
121. It Frees You From Being Held Accountable...
... by those who attempt to do so. You can just ignore them and go about your business as though they aren't there. How convenient for you, eh?

Those one-liners, those hit-n-runs, those drive-bys continue and you never have to pay attention to the folks who try to hold you accountable for your own words.

How nice!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #121
124. Now that was rude, too.
And I see no cause for it.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #124
125. Then You Haven't Been Paying Close Enough Attention.
Edited on Thu May-18-06 01:07 PM by arwalden
:shrug:
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #9
56. Ben,
if the indictment of Rove is dated 12 May, I have some tasty crow recipes on standby.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:37 PM
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I hear they are good with a sourdough and wild rice stuffing. nt
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:40 PM
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76. This sounds nice:
Crow and Mushroom Stew

3 crows
1 Tbsp lard/shortening
1 pint stock or gravy
2 Tbsp cream
1/2 cup mushrooms
salt and pepper
cayenne pepper

Clean and cut crows into small portions and let them cook a short time in the lard/shortening in a saucepan, being careful not to brown them.
Next, add to the contents of the pan, the stock or gravy, and salt, pepper and cayenne to taste.
Simmer 1 hour, or until tender, add mushrooms, simmer 10 minutes more and then stir in cream.
Arrange the mushrooms around the crows on a hot platter.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #56
71. and
if it isn't dated 05/12/2006, then I will be baking my crow pie as well:toast:
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #9
100. I will be the first to say I'm wrong
And congratulations.

But they can't move the goal posts.

The only way I congratulate them is if the indictment was dated May 12.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #9
118. You Have "inside communications"... Well Color Me Impressed.
Who do you know? Rove? Leopold? Wilson? Fitz? Helen Thomas? Tony Snow?

Or did you just get a PM from Pitt a few minutes ago?

Just asking... I mean... ANYONE could up and claim "inside communications" for appearance's sake. I hope you'll forgive those of us who see it as being a bit pretentious and viewing it with a healthy degree of skepticism.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #118
123. I said I communicated with folks in TO.
Were you not reading?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #123
130. Oh... I Must Have Missed That... Thanks For The Clarification.
I'm not so much impressed anymore.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. I still believe you have the right to believe that.
I'm still annoyed that some members of DU have low tolerance for skepticism of that claim.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. You have a right to be a skeptic.
Edited on Thu May-18-06 12:24 PM by benburch
What upsets me are the vicious attacks.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:25 PM
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23. That's how I feel
I think this whole thing was worth discussing on all side, but the attacks and mocking of each other were a bit much.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #12
29. Agree 100%.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #29
75. Like calling other DUers cockroaches, for example.
I agree. Totally disgusting and uncalled for.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:33 PM
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52. Which side's attacks are you talking about?
Edited on Thu May-18-06 12:38 PM by BurtWorm
Is it a vicious attack to point out what other blogs have said about some of the players? Are stories that challenge the reliability of past articles by one of the players on the same or similar subject not relevant to an non-biased person's judgment of the May 12 article?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:36 PM
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62. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #5
19. I agree with that, Burtworm.
:thumbsup:
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. Sealed Indictment no doubt....nt
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. Just like the Libby indictment
Oh, wait....
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #11
69. The Libby indictment
was never sealed.

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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #69
110. Ummmm
that's my point. Why would Libby's not be sealed but Karl's would be sealed?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #1
24. Why Didn't He Resign?
Wouldn't NOT resigning only make things WORSE?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #24
37. Depends.
This administration might be planning to play hardball. Deny everything. Nobody resigns. "We'll see you in court. In 6 years."
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. Oh, so the administration
now control Patrick Fitzgerald's actions in his investigation?

More secret sources?

It's getting funnier.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #45
73. I would thank you to not put words in my mouth.
I never said that and don't believe that.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #73
78. HAHAHAHAHHA!
Spit it out, then.

What's this secret info you've got, hmmm?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #78
95. Can't you read?
I told you and everybody else that the communication was that the TO folks still believe him. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #95
102. apparently
everything
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #95
105. I thought you were done responding to me
See - you don't communicate well.

You said "fuck."

Now, try to be clearer in the future and you won't be so misunderstood. Or mocked.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #37
66. I Suppose Anything's Possible. But What's Likely?
:shrug:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #66
83. With the Bush Administration...
I see hardball as a distinct option. What have they to lose?
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #83
91. why bother with playing Hardball?
Bush can pardon Libby and Rove any time he wants.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #91
94. STOP THAT!
I hate when people make sense and cite facts.

It's so distracting from this Yellow Sunshine that cost me an arm and a leg.

What?

Is that a POPSICLE?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #66
84. Why would you ask that about the NeoCon Junta?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #84
88. Because I Tend To Rely On Logic Instead Of Paranoia.
Edited on Thu May-18-06 12:45 PM by arwalden
I don't think that this administration is as competent as others around here are making them out to be.

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #88
99. That could mean you're using faulty logic.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #99
106. How So? Where Is The Fault?
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #84
98. it's a KARLSPIRACY!
they can do anything

right?
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #37
104. If that's the case, why the 15-hour meeting?
The only way that makes sense is to negotiate some sort of plea arrangement.

And I refuse to believe that Rove is not going to fight this to the hilt.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #104
111. I believe that there were probably plea negotiations.
Because it never hurts to negotiate and see what you can get. And in doing so, you might learn the weaknesses of the other side's case.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #104
132. they will never ever plea
they will fight and either win in court or be pardoned by their boss
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #1
61. Thank you
there are several people out there who have been judge, jury, and executioner on this matter about TO instead of giving the benefit of the doubt to see how this plays out. They(TO) could have retracted the story on Monday but they didn't, in fact they ratcheted it up a few more degrees by putting themselves out further with interviews and articles since then. This sticking your neck out on line speaks volumes and until it is proven either way I think people should give TO the benefit of doubt and wait see. People are entitled to their opinions, but not when those opinions are thrust upon others in the form of an attack disguised as a concerned opinion

WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Wed May-17-06 04:02 PM
Original message

When the documents come out

they will have dates on the top.

Those dates will be Friday May 12, 2006.

Just as we said.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1217129&mesg_id=1217212
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #61
101. Some people just made it into my ignore list.
Where only ONE other DUer has ever been prior to now.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #101
112. I have
Edited on Thu May-18-06 12:59 PM by stop the bleeding
yet to exercise that on anyone yet, I stress the yet part. However, I feel that quite a few DU'ers have added me to their list as of late.

Heavens forbid how will I find the strength to go on through life?!?!

on edit: I find the whole thing laughable, troubling, sad and at times in the gutter, but I am enjoying my game of Whack-o-mole.:evilgrin:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #112
129. Now I'm being called an Ostrich for having used my ignore.
When did we cease to be able to have a civil disagreement here?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
82. Maybe on June 7?
;)
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #82
87. Can't
I'm busy on the 7th.

How about the 19th?

Afternoons are good.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
126. Why?
How do you feel about the other inaccuracies in Leopold's story?
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:18 PM
Response to Original message
2. Leopold takes the podium...
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #2
8.  LEOPOLD!!
:rofl:
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #2
10. I'm just wondering -
will Loeb ever get a chance at any of this?

It just seems so unfair to leave him out.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. My grandmother knew those boys.
And the little Frank boy that they killed.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. Ooh, tasteless!
Not that I care. Besides, you haven't faked the deaths of any former presidents.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. THAT was tasteless,
but really effective.

Besides, Gerry didn't mind.

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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. And it will do far less damage in the long run. n/t
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #10
21. That was massively obscure. nt.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #21
34. Really?
google "Leopold and Loeb" and it won't be obscure any more.

They made quite a movie about this case, by the way. Very well done.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #34
41. You me and three others got the reference.
p.s. google does little to disprove obscurity.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #41
53. Hardly obscure
One of the major murder cases of the twentieth century.

No information on it through google?

Try "Bobby Franks murder Leopold Loeb" and see what happens.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #10
31. Why do you never offer something constructive to the discussion
You are a lawyer aren't you? Or do you just play one on DU? Perhaps you could share your experience and knowledge of sealed indictments. Or would that require a pay pal account for your retainer?? No pro bono work? It is tax deductible ya know.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. see
OLL's avatar for your answer
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #2
49. ahhhh.... Leopold.
(leopold), it's.. it's Leopold.
orchestrating.

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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #49
60. Ever notice how
if you say "Leopold and Loeb" really fast, it comes out sounding like "Karl Rove"?

Just sayin'.....................
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #60
77. It does?
It always sounded like "24 business days" to me, but hearin' ain't that good no more.

What?

Light bulb?

No, that's watt.

Eh?

Horses.

Harumph.

Time off, my ass. :)
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #77
80. I went to the market
You make my eyes dance around in my head.

Five more minutes, and then it's to work.

MOMMY? IS THAT YOU?
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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:19 PM
Response to Original message
6. When is the deadline...
...for naming the sources? Have I missed that? Or has that been delayed too?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. The sources HAVE names - isn't that enough for you? n/t
Edited on Thu May-18-06 12:32 PM by Taxloss
:sarcasm:

Edited to clarify ...
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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #13
26. As I understood it,
Edited on Thu May-18-06 12:26 PM by Fierce
if it "didn't happen," Leopold would reveal the sources. I read the original story only once, though, so it's entirely possible I'm mistaken.

Edited for unruly grammar.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #26
42. A "journalist" who reveals his sources
when the story proves untrue.

Oh, the ethics involved in this are just wildassed funny beyond belief.

Wait.

What ethics?

Sorry. A momentary lapse into reality.
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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #42
57. Hey, I'm totally with you.
I'm just trying to triangulate myself and figure out where this makes sense. Oh wait, it doesn't! Whew.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #57
64. Welcome to DU, by the way
Consider yourself ingratiated.

Until we need more kindling.

heh heh heh

Seriously - welcome.
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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. Nah, I've been annoying people here and there.
Been more ignored than kindled, though, I think.

Thanks for the welcome.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #26
63. Since Leopold hasn't revealed any names at this point,....
...I'd wager a guess that the story is still valid.

I'd also wager a guess that you're not buying Leopold's story.

Guess we'll know soon, won't we?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #13
33. They have NAMES?
Ohhhhhhhhhhh.

Stop the presses!!!!!

This is NEWS!!!!

OK, now that we have this new information, the deadline was just extended another 11,000 days.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #33
43. If an indictment is served in the Beltway, and no one notices it,
does anyone still believe Jason Leopold?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #43
50. Inside the Beltway?
Hell, I'm inside the Beltway, and someone is knocking on my door.

DOES THAT MEAN I'M GOING TO BE SERVED WITH AN INDICTMENT?

Or did the Thai place just deliver lunch to my staff?

Why did anyone believe Jason Leopold in the first place? The man's history speaks for itself, and the story - well, it's laughable on its face.

I hope it's the Thai place and not the Feds.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #50
92. Maybe it's Fed-Thai
which, as you know, is Thai food delivered in handcuffs.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #92
97. I can eat in handcuffs
It's not pretty, but I can also play my harmonica in handcuffs.

I've been ready for the Occupation all my life.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #43
58. If an indictment was served in Leopold's imagination?
Why does everyone still believe Jason Leopold?
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #33
72. yes, now we have graduated from the full moon, to the blue moon calend. nt
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #72
85. Babadaba
badangdangdang

Ever listen to the soundtrack from "A Bronx Tale"?

It's fabulous. A marvelous rendition of "Blue Moon" on it.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #13
38. Mr. Sock and Mr. Puppet
.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #6
25. It will never come,
because no one noticed that it was a binary code thing, and DancingBear figured out that it will last 11,000 days.

So, you can go ahead and go to lunch now, and not miss anything.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:29 PM
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39. Not that I'm interested in the names of these folks...
..but if Leopold is wrong I'd like to know who he thought were reliable sources on this point. I'm exagerrating a bit for effect, but if it turns out his source was a janitor at Patton Boggs, well......

Of course, I'd also like to know who fed him bad information. The only problem is that he risks hamstringing himself in the future if he shows a willingness to divulge his sources. No one else will be that interested in talking to him anonymously for fear of being outed.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #39
55. What future?
Have you seen this guy's history?

It's shameful.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #55
131. Yeah, that's ture...
...justntrying to give him the benefit of the doubt I guess :D

NEedless to say, when this all shakes out, I will be extremely interested to hear from Leopold and Pitt.
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #39
96. JL should Never had said the 'reveal the sources' thing
until he was up against the boards and had to use it as a last resort. Still stinks, but at least a bit more practical. that seems very amateurish, thoughtless, unprofessional, careless, etc.

Wonder how willing future sources will be revealing anything to JL.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #96
117. He might have had their permission to say that.
Otherwise I agree with you on that.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:24 PM
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18. In (Locked)Thread 2... Patcox2 Said:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1225093&mesg_id=1225950

Just below is your reply Patcox2. I'm Sorry I didn't respond quickly enough before it got locked.

===================================================================

You know... I think that everyone is entitled to a certain amount of good will and benefit of the doubt... but drunken egotistical displays tend to use up whatever stockpile of good will may have accumulated.

If you get my drift.

:hi:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #18
32. Yep.
:thumbsup:

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #18
40. And you know he was "drunk" because.....?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. Because he said earlier he was going off to get drunk
with an airline pilot, as I remember.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #46
59. You... You... FACTS GROUPIE!!
Who do you think you are, anyway? What gives you the right to be spewing FACTS at people?

The NERVE of some folks!!!
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #40
54. HEY!! Pay Attention!!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #54
89. I'll take that as a non-response.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #89
103. Take It Any Way That You Want...
... I did notice that you are not denying the fact that the person in question publicly announced their intentions.

It's also true that one need not be drunk to engage in sanctimonious egotistical displays... it's just that when they're drunk, it makes them more memorable and noteworthy.

I think it's safe to say that the well of goodwill ran dry a LONG time ago.

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #103
122. Right. And the poster in question was never provoked by days....
...and weeks, and months of derogatory and downright nasty comments by the posters to whom he was responding, was he?

Being attacked every time you post on the DU boards has to take a toll, especially if you're trying very hard to provide the kind of information not provided by the MSM.

I think it's safe to say that several posters have repeatedly exposed themselves over time as the nasty bottom-dwellers that they really are. In fact, it's hard for me not to see a concerted effort by some of those posters to drive Leopold, Pitt, and TO off the DU boards and/or completely discredit them.

I don't blame the poster in question for responding the way he did...I'm just surprised that he lasted as long as he did.
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Opening_Day Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:26 PM
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27. I fell asleep
What did I miss? (In 10 words or less) :)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #27
44. DU is polluted with a lot of pompous asses.
:)
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. That's news?
:)
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Opening_Day Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #44
67. Tell me something
I didn't already know. :)
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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:32 PM
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48. Can someone help me,
I asked this question at the end of the first thread. Is it possible that there are multiple people named in this indictment that has prevented it from being filed as of yet? Is it also possible that this is an extension of a "so called sealed indictment" that may have come from the first GJ? Is it also possible that there are more serious charges in this indictment that has prevented it from being filed as of yet?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. Nobody knows.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #51
108. If anyone knowing Patrick who talks to him and is telling him
all the things he allegedly has definitely done, and is doing--according to the blogs, he must be getting quite a kick out of the firestorm he can create. And how some of it is so off base compared to the facts.

Someday maybe he'll have time to sit back, prop his feet up with some popcorn and have a good laugh looking through the blog archive posts.

Whenever you're ready Patrick. I'm having a few bags now. :popcorn:
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #48
70. It's possible. But, the only person who knows for sure is Fitz.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #70
86. And maybe Karl Rove.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #48
79. There was no sealed indictment from the first grand jury
And if there is one now there is no way to know until the Judge decides to unseal it.

At this phase of an investigation a lot of activity is going on in private. Until Rove or anyone else is charged, Fitzgerald has to be very, very careful not to reveal anything about what is going on. However, Rove's side is free to throw more sand and muddy the water as much as they wish.

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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:41 PM
Response to Original message
81. The Du Willi Code
Story of journalistic intrigue with
secret number codes: 24, 72, 15.
Super secret sealed indictments,
Days and Passions of our lives.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:52 PM
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #109
113. What's the story on Wayne Madsen?
I read on another thread - which was locked - that Wayne Madsen links aren't allowed on DU.

Who is this guy, and what did he do to earn this kind of memorable treatment from DU?

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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #113
116. I have no idea. I never heard of him before. I picked this
up from another list, looked at the blog, and thought there were some interesting points that at least bear some consideration, picking apart or what-have-you.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #113
119. He has a history of publishing dubious stories
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #113
127. It's about time somebody asked that question...
Edited on Thu May-18-06 01:08 PM by janx
:rofl:

But then, who is anybody? Who are WE?
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #113
128. If you don't know....
and I have a sneaking suspicion you do, Madsen was blacklisted due to some "irregularities" with the truth content of some of his reporting.

Any simularity to current events are purely coincidental :)
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:11 PM
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133. Thread 4 is here:
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