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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:20 PM
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Poll question: Leopold
I find the whole Leopold story a little "inside baseball." I mean in the grand scheme of things, unless Rove is completely exonerated or Fitzgerald disavows the story, we will eventually know the truth or falsehood of this story. I will say Leopold's attitude in defending his story does seem to be very much "my way or the highway." I kind of think the facts will bear him out, but you can't expect blind loyalty.

Do you think he will be exonerated by the facts?

Bryant
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:22 PM
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1. I think he very well might have been in the right church, wrong pew n.t.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:23 PM
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2. Refuse to vote!
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:24 PM
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3. I Voted For "Not Enough Info," But, At Worst, I Think He Was Set Up
I've worked as Jason's editor on several stories. He'll be OK, even if the story doesn't pan out exactly on time -- as long as he gets back up on his feet, and I can tell you -- he's a very resiliant individual. Dan Rather rolled over because he was ready to retire. He took his money and went home.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:22 PM
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26. i agree as well
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:25 PM
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4. I demand a paper trail for my vote
Edited on Tue May-16-06 03:26 PM by stop the bleeding
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:28 PM
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5. Aren't we passed that 24 hour deadline?
My understanding is Rove should be in cuffs by now.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:31 PM
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8. 24 hours = 5 days in truthout.org time...
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:32 PM
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9. lol
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 04:15 PM
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21. It didn't say "24 business hours." It said "24 Schmizzness hours"
Edited on Tue May-16-06 04:16 PM by alcibiades_mystery
Schmizzness is a term of art, meaning a number between 16 and 92. The math is simple, people, Jesus!

24*16/8 = 48
24*92/8 = 276

So, if Rove is indicted within the next 276 days, Jason Leopold is exonerated! Q.E.D.

Oh damn. I forgot to exclude weekends and holidays...:evilgrin:
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 04:14 PM
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20. He is currently in handcuffs,
but only in Bush's bedroom. He, Dubya and Gannon are having a thing.

;-)

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 04:51 PM
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23. Great!
Now I have to clean Pepsi out of keyboard, and scrape the portion of my brain containing that image out of my skull.
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flobee1 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:29 PM
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6. My opinion
I still think it'll happen-just not as soon as some think

I can easily see Rove being called by Fitz one more time to say
"Mr Rove, you can tell your boss you resign now"
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cain_7777 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:30 PM
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7. Rove will be indicted in time, but...
With the whole Rove indictment we want that cherry to pop, but Fitz isn't done yet. He is meticulous and the beuaracracy takes time, but he will drag that greased up pig into court. Jason, I believe you had a case of premature ejacultion. We're all excited, but sometimes you just have to hold on a little longer. As Bush would say, " Only History can judge me." For Bush, it will be bad, but I think you will be proven right once again and that is why we will keep coming to you for reliable information.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:33 PM
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10. I can't see how he can be exonerated, the story is now demonstrably
false. I'm sure he meant well but he screwed the pooch royally.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:38 PM
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12. If documents come back with dates on them
Showing when Rove was indicted.

Bryant
check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 04:14 PM
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19. Then I would suspect those documents. No way in hell could
(or would) an already delivered indictment be kept under wraps...Fitz would have at the very -least- informed the SCLM.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:35 PM
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11. I dont have enough information one way or another
But If someone was feeding Leopold false information for that story, Leopold needs to name names and say exactly who said what when. Once the source lies, they should lose all protection from a journalist. My opinion.

The story was based on anonymous high level sources etc
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:48 PM
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13. I'm not sure what will happen
All I really have to say on this whole matter is that I believe that Leopold thought he had the information he needed to release the story and I think Will posted it here for us all to be in on it. Although I was happy to read it, I didn't get too worked up over it because I wanted to see Rove doing the perp walk before I got too excited.

In my opinion I think there are also people who would rather see Will and Truthout fall flat on their faces because they are jealous. Even though the naysayers tried to hide it by acting like they were being open minded about it, it was easy to see what was really going on. I have also seen some of the same people in the past do the same thing during other situations like this. I don't know Will Pitt or Leopold so I have nothing to gain by sticking up for them or tearing them down. They seem like decent people to me and have done some mighty fine work in the past.

If you actually changed your whole life because of the article, than that is more your problem than anyone else's. In my opinion, you have to be a little more patient when dealing with politics because their are an enormous amount of players on the field.

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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:52 PM
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14. Now why would he purposely plant a false story?
Its crazy to think that.

If hes got info from sources and he stands by his story , Im going to stand by him. If it turns out false, I hope he exposes his sources to the world/
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:55 PM
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15. It's not Crazy
Because it's happened. People do make up stories - I don't beleive that's what happened in this case, but it is at least possible.

And there's the possibility that his desire to see something caused him to make more of a story than was really there - a sort of internal telephone game or fishing story. Again, I don't believe that's what happened in this case, but you can't dismiss the possibility as "crazy."

Bryant
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Chomp Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:56 PM
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16. I think the poll should only have 2 options n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:57 PM
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17. Other.
In a short time, those who support Jason Leopold will believe that he was generally, though not completely, correct. Those who do not like Jason will believe he was generally, though not completely, wrong. And there will be a lot of people who are interested in the Plame scandal, and who have followed events on DU, but who will not have a strong opinion on Jason Leopold's reporting. They will, however, be pleased with the upcoming grand jury actions.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 04:11 PM
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18. Judging from the results
you shold have an option for "I don't know what 'exonerated' means"
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 04:18 PM
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22. HAHA....you may have a point there.
;-)
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 05:00 PM
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24. Simple logic:
If: Rove is a republican,

And: He spoke when he testified before a grand jury,

Then: Rove lied to the grand jury.

Either Fitz busts him for perjury, or he has failed to do his job properly.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 05:12 PM
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25. Patience is a virtue.. I , for one am TIRED
of all the rushing to "scoop" each other.. The news is what it IS and will happen when it happens.. I don't CARE who was "first". I prefer accuracy to wild, panicked, ALL_CAPS "reporting"..:)
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