KARL ROVE HAS BEEN INDICTED.

[WilliamPitt]

For those who have been waiting for this, here it is. For those who still doubt, well, I guess this is the big throwdown. We are reporting this has happened, we have checked and re-checked our sources. Truthout is breaking this first.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml

Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report

Saturday 13 May 2006

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.

During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.

Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, did not return a call for comment. Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove, which include perjury and lying to investigators about how and when Rove discovered that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert CIA operative and whether he shared that information with reporters, sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said.

It was still unknown Saturday whether Fitzgerald charged Rove with a more serious obstruction of justice charge. Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators.

An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown. Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the special prosecutor was unavailable for comment. In the past, Samborn said he could not comment on the case.

The grand jury hearing evidence in the Plame Wilson case met Friday on other matters while Fitzgerald spent the entire day at Luskin's office. The meeting was a closely guarded secret and seems to have taken place without the knowledge of the media.

...more...

[Postman]

1. Frog march the crook out of the White House....

as Joe Wilson would say...

[Bozita]

78. ... and film it in HD

I'll buy the video.

[electropop]

119. I'll write the musical score for it.

Daaaaayyyyyummmm! Georgie is going to look back with nostalgia on his 29% approval. W, enjoy it while you can, shithead, it's about to plummet again.

[Ladyhawk]

206. And if it has lyrics, I'll sing it! :) n/t

[electropop]

209. Sorry, I can't write lyrics, but you might like to hum this one:

http://joeorgren.com/oklahoma/bravado.mp3

[calimary]

220. My husband just informed me there IS champagne in the house and

it will soon be put on ice. Just like kkkarl.

I'm a BIG admirer of Jason Leopold's work. He just might be THE best investigative reporter in Washington at the moment. Oh yes, and I will be singing and dancing, too. But I already have my song:

"Na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, hey-hey-hey, GOO-OOD BYE!"

Hell, I'm already humming that one...

Thanks for posting this, Will! Cheers! And yes, you have to check your source(s) on this one, and I'm glad it's plural. I'm glad it's noted in the story that this is pegged to half a dozen White House people and a couple more besides. Attribution, always! You guys are TRUE pros. You put the "big leaguers" to absolute shame. They should be paying you and Jason and Marc Ash the big bucks that the katie courics and diane sawyers and tim russerts and bob woodwards get. I suspect that while they're all in make-up, or rushing to those high-level cocktail parties to rub elbows with the big shots in DC so they can brag about their precious access, outsiders like you guys are busy working and getting the actual job done.

When we toast this, I will also be lifting my glass to you guys.

[electropop]

242. "On ice" - LOL

And you're right, while the fancy high-paid "journalists" are sitting around on their access, Will, Jason, and a few others are doing their jobs for them.

[tsuki]

285. We too have champaign in the house, but thank for the

background music. Na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, hey-hey-hey, GOO-OOD BYE!

Me, tomorrow.

[ray of light]

437. Some interesting comments here.

http://www.progressiveu.org/133433-more-endictments-in-...

[Ladyhawk]

221. I'll see--er, hear--your digital music and raise you an Italian aria.

http://tinyurl.com/c82hk <---Ladyhawk sings "Star Vicino"

I'm humming along with your link...but it will take awhile to learn.

[electropop]

238. Brava, brava!

You have a lovely voice, and from what I could gather at your site, a wicked sense of humor! Is there a home page? I couldn't seem to find one.

[Ladyhawk]

292. Sorry, no home page. ;)

I used to have one, but I let it get very, very outdated and finally pulled it. I keep threatening to make a new one, but so far my threats are hollow.

PM me so we don't hog the Rove/Fitz thread...I'd like to discuss digital music with you.

[Bucky]

391. Henry Mancini already beat you to it. The Elephant March.

The song repeats itself a lot and can be annoying. But maybe I wouldn't get tired of watching a lot of White House elephants doing the walk of shame.

[rodeodance]

268. We will never see that visual, but nice to imagine.

[Flubadubya]

2. Right-O Willliam!

[BooScout]

3. HOT DAMN!

[Robbien]

4. Yay, YayYayYayYay I so needed to hear this good news

all right!

[Jeanette in FL]

5. Geez, William, Just when I was starting to breath normally again

Good work. Jason and Truthout and to you too Will.

[eleny]

6. Thanks for everything Will & Truthout!

K&R

[Bumblebee]

15 hours?! Is this a typo?

[Halliburton]

44. That's an awful long time

I'm thinking the same thing.

[speedoo]

62. Either a typo or a cumulative figure.

15 hours in one day.. no way. But cumulatively since last October, sure.

[electropop]

121. It took 15 hours just to list all the charges.

Or everything so far, anyway.

[TahitiNut]

147. Was it a "half a day Friday," "about 15 hours" or "the entire day"?

All three phrases are used in the first six paragraphs.


"... Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs ..."
"... Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours ..."
"... Fitzgerald spent the entire day (Friday) at Luskin's office."

[havocmom]

177. Half a work day for Fitz, full one for Rove's lawyers

and a month for bush all = 15 hours work

[Roland99]

7. The radical right, the propaganda, the lies, the spying, the deception....

is over.


Their ideology has failed not only themselves but their nation.


We have overcome.

[NewJeffCT]

284. They've been around a lot longer than Karl Rove

And, unfortunately, they will be around longer than him in the future. What happens if the radical right actually gets somebody competent in there?

[Roland99]

288. Are you implying Rove wasn't competent? How do you explain...

taking a miserable failure like GW and turning him into Gov. of TX and then a two-term President of the US?

[NewJeffCT]

308. I had meant Bush

Imagine if they had somebody more competent as president than Bush, or Reagan before him?

[Roland99]

311. Ah, well, in the news of late I think we're seeing more and more that DICK

is the one behind pretty much everything.

[darkmaestro019]

389. Just IMO, anyone smart enough to be competent would be TOO

smart to be radical right. ; )

[PatGund]

416. Don't count your chickens yet

Even if he has been indicted, he's not been convicted.

And do NOT discount this crowd to do ANYTHING to stay in power.

It's not over yet

[Roland99]

423. In order for them to stay in power, they will have to get more radical

and that will turn off even more people.

The only ones left supporting this administration are the batshit insane people we hear on WJ on C-SPAN in the morning and those still posting at freeperville.

Extremism has never been an acceptable form of politics at the polls.

[fooj]

8. I'm preparing my Fitzgiving Feast...

Hot damn!!!!!

[serryjw]

66. One hell of a great Mother Day for Valerie!

There is justice....BUT ohhhhhhhh, it takes so long.

[Bozita]

9. time to ice down that 12 pack

[caledesi]

46. I just called my husband and told him to bring home an ice-cold

six-pack. Yeah, we are going to party! Thanks for the great investigating Will.

[blm]

223. Just put two Coronas in the freezer. Gonna give em 20minutes.

.

[bridgit]

10. Thank heaven for little girls...

Thank heaven for little girls
for little girls get bigger every day!

Thank heaven for little girls
they grow up in the most delightful way!

Those little eyes so helpless and appealing
one day will flash and send you crashin' thru the ceilin'

Thank heaven for little girls
thank heaven for them all,
no matter where no matter who
for without them, what would little boys do?

Thank heaven... thank heaven...
Thank heaven for little girls!

[libnnc]

11. Is it finally Fitzmas now?!?!?

Huh, Daddy?!?!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

12. Oh yeah baby..... even my cereal is gettin' pretty

excited....

[proud patriot]

13. Just in time for Mother's Day

Happy Mother's Day Valerie Plame

[sweetheart]

14. If they torture him for the truth, would he like the policy?

Perhaps they should try.

[bridgit]

31. sweetheart, our system can be plodding but this is good news...

[sweetheart]

41. What a great moment

i don't know the thing for that waving smiley, so
:waving smiley:

perhaps they could use rove to test a:

[bridgit]

67. cheers friend, may see you over in your 'postmodernism' thread...

before too long it's just that i remain unconvinced america follows any tract of thought along those lines but for the ability; nay the creed, to remain random-applicable at a moments notice = past/present, or for that matter--->future...it's the 'freedom & liberty thing' gone wild

[Ladyhawk]

176. FYI, it's the word "hi" bracketed by colons, not quotation marks. :) n/t

[mmonk]

328. I say off to a military tribunal!

Electrodes, check, hood, check, dogs on leashes, check....

[bluestateguy]

15. As much as I like Truthout, I want to wait for the official announcement

I want to wait for the official announcement from the prosecutor's office. This is huge news and (possible) news that is this good should be treated with caution. I would hate to be door slammed on something like this.

Let me repeat that I appreciate Truthout's fine work over the years.

[uppityperson]

nothing to add except want to say I am with you on this.

waiting to celebrate. And thank you truthout.

[rodeodance]

100. guess I am ambivilant--drats. But thanks for your work will.

[Robbien]

16. 24 hours from yesterday's meeting, so that means a frog march today?

Thanks Will and Truthout.

[rodeodance]

156. a professional courtesy perhaps.

[Klukie]

17. Holy Shit!!!!!!

You made my day... hell you made my whole week....month....year!!!!!!!!!!

[caledesi]

18. Pitt is da' man! My heart skipped a beat I swear. nt

[onehandle]

19. Ah...Good times. nt

[MADem]

20. If verified, this is gonna totally screw up Monkey's Monday Night TV show

He's supposed to go on the tube at eight on Monday (fuck up Olbermann, the bastard) to give us the scoop on his "handlin' the Messicans" strategery.

Wonder how that will play if Fitz announces on Monday?????

[caledesi]

63. Fitz press conference on Monday? OMG, that would be great.

Can't you picture * stammering and hula-jawing all over the place.

[tavalon]

85. You've got this one backwards

The Chimpy poo fling wingding for Monday night is supposed to deflect from this. As usual, these days, it will not work. Their poor, tired, battle plan is, well, tiring and quite poor.

If it weren't for Bunker Buster Nukes and Diebold, I would be one of the happiest girls alive. That said, despite a tummy virus, I'm feeling pretty okay right about now.

[TorchTheWitch]

331. AHAHAHA!

The Poo Fling Wingding!

BWAHAHAHA! Stop it, you! That's just too damn funny!

[MADem]

375. If they thought a "let's fix the Messican problem, heh, heh" speech

...could deflect from the indictment of the Architect, they're insane. Stupid. Totally out of touch. He could actually come up with a BRILLIANT, equitable, agreeable-to-all plan to resolve the undocumented worker matter (we won't hold our breath, though) and it would be BURIED under any Fitzgerald announcement.

About the only thing that might take the edge off is if he announced that his crack team of scientists discovered a way to turn seawater into gasoline...and I don't think that's in the cards!

[Warren Stupidity]

21. And so this is Fitzmas!

p.s. I am now officially scared shitless about what happens next.

p.p.s thanks Will for having a very thick skin and sticking with DU.

[DoYouEverWonder]

126. Between this

the markets, the dollar and gold by the end of next week we're probably going to think a tsunami hit us.

The fun part is all the people who don't have a clue what's coming. I will enjoy their disappointment.

[jpak]

22. And the Chimp's immigration speech Mon. nite is a ploy

to change the subject....

[texasleo]

23. I want sobbing

Lol

march him out!

[acmavm]

24. Oh my goodness, it's taken so damn long. So very damn long. Now

let's get the rest of them for treason.

[LizW]

25. And Bush promptly calls out the National Guard n/t

[eleny]

26. He's gonna lose his bra-a-a-a-in!

[kpete]

27. I love you and Jason

I am SO very happy today!!!!

[Vincardog]

28. There is a GOD.

[Skidmore]

29. Do such charges eliminate him as the slice and dice

henchman of the GOP this election cycle? It should preclude him from access to certain circles of power, shouldn't it?

[eleny]

39. I figure that it will at least absorb lots of his time

And hopefully he'll lose his edge.

[HereSince1628]

112. Rove will just switch to tele-commuting. The indictment isn't much

of a hurdle.

[DoYouEverWonder]

133. Karl's going to be too busy

from now on trying to keep his ass out of jail, to have much time for anything else.

[Miss Chybil]

30. Hot-diggedy damn! Not only is Rove gone, but you showed the MSM

what for! Woohoo!

[LaPera]

47. Where's he gone to?

Directing the smears & tactics from an office in his home in DC?

[Miss Chybil]

125. He might still be pulling some strings, but they won't have his

undivided attention anymore. Plus, if he has half a brain, he'll want to be careful about what he does for a while.

[calimary]

237. Exactly. Yes, he'll still be working on his "priorities," but I bet there

will be some wind taken out of his sails by this. He WILL have to spend some of that time and energy with his own lawyers, trying to save his own ass. He can't just focus exclusively on the campaigns, much as he'd like to. This will be a SERIOUS distraction, and probably also, headlines for weeks. Everybody other than Jason Leopold will have to try everything they can think of to advance the story for their own network/paper/show/whatever. The bushies may also find themselves diverting a lot of legal muscle over to kkkarl's cause, and perhaps also, at the expense of others (like maybe libby) and others of their friends who need legal assistance. He himself will become priority one - everything will become re-geared towards saving kkkarl. He will not be operating at full strength, even if bushco sends in lots of legal reinforcements. The kkkarl team will still need kkkarl's personal participation to press their case. So, no matter how much he wants to focus singlemindedly on swiftboating Democrats for November, he's gonna have to divert at least some of his attention to his own defense. Even though we can also expect an inevitable presidential pardon for him. I doubt he'll ever see the inside of a jail cell. But one can certainly hope...

[bleever]

32. 20th recommendation.

Pass the champagne.

[Patsy Stone]

162. 95th recommendation.

[calimary]

241. 130th recommendation!

I'll see your Dom Perignon and raise you two Mum Cordon Rouges.

[Nickster]

286. 147th recommendation!

I'm still just kinda numb right now. God Friggin Dayum!

[sabra]

370. 181 :-)

[Kire]

419. it's now at 191

but I won't make it 192, I want more sources

[Bluebear]

449. Yes the numbers are impressive.

[LaPera]

33. HaHa again, IF, IF, IF, Bush ACCEPTS Rove's resignation BEFORE

the Novembe it will be a coup.

However, Rove has a spanking new multi-million dollar home in DC so I'm sure he'll be directing the usual republican election smearing, distorting & lying just as if he was doing it from his office at the White House.

Rove is their boy, who will do the dirty work for the republicans and the vindictive Rove enjoys every second doing it...Such as making sure electronic voting machines are ready to be manipulated in the certain precincts around the country where they are necessary to assure the republican majority in congress!!!

[napi21]

73. You obviously don't understand what an indictment does to

a person's mental state! I DO! Not ME, thank God, but some people I've worked for. That indictment takes priority over EVERYTHING in their life!

Some in the Pub Party may still want his advice, but I really doubt his advice will be worth much anymore! There's also a reason for a lot of Pubs to want to put as much distance between THEM, Rove and the WH!

[madrchsod]

114. you are exactly right

karl`s life from now on will revolve around this indictment. it will consume his every minute of the day until the final verdict is in. he will lay awake at night,he will become ill,and nothing in his life will ever be the same...like robert johnson wrote "And the days keeps on worrying' me--there's a hell hound on my trail" that hell hound is mr fitzgerald

[Ladyhawk]

200. Is Karl enough of a sociopath / egomaniac that it won't bother him much?

I know he won't feel guilty for a second, but will his ego tell him he has nothing to fear? If so, he could remain a dire threat.

Sort of off-topic: On the Psychology of Legal Problems

I've been sued twice, once by a vindictive bastard who didn't bother showing up to court. I worked hard putting together a package to defeat him and should have counter-sued. I was also sued for an automobile accident I caused. I scraped an elderly couple's rear right fender while trying to avoid rear-ending them. Yeah, it was a bad place in the road, should have had a turn lane, blah blah blah, but it was my fault. What wasn't my fault were all the medical problems the couple developed after the accident, including the man's inability to get it up for his wife. They tried to sue me for $350,000, $100,000 of which had to do with their loss of a sex life. I kid you not. I put a three foot shallow scrape on their bumper. We all drove away after the cops came. I wasn't even issued a ticket. Later I was blamed for the couple's terrible sex life. Damn, who can I sue for my lousy sex life?

I do have a conscience, a very tender one, and despite the fact that I was completely in the right in one case and probably being used to collect money in the other case, I felt terrible about the impending court dates, the hearings, the depositions, everything. I worried that some of the couple's complaints might be legitimate, yet I felt bitter that they were obviously using me to milk money from the system. Some of the angst linked back to my childhood. I spent over a year in court testifying about sex crimes committed against me. As you can imagine, I hate court and courtrooms. Also, seeing the word "defendant" next to my name seemed to imply I was some kind of monster.

I obsessed over those court cases. They consumed nearly every waking thought and caused me untold emotional distress.

Unfortunately, I don't think Rove has a very well developed superego...if he has one at all. But he is a selfish bastard and should worry about jail time unless he has the world's biggest ego (a possibility) or knows something we don't (another, very horrible possibility).

What do you think? Will this distract Rove at all?

[napi21]

225. But you had one big advantage over Rove. You were innocent!

It's a whole other story when someone is guilty and was trying everything to keep it quiet, but gets found out! I don't think Rove's ego or arrogance will matter this time. This time it's HIS ASS! Nope, this will consume his every waking moment, and there will be many, because sleeping will be difficult!

[Ladyhawk]

297. His doc will up the Ambien. :)

If this puts Rove out of action, it will help a lot.

Like I said in the other response, I just want these criminals acknowledged as such and put in a place where they can no longer harm the rest of us. Considering how the Bush Crime Family has evaded time and again, I am worried that we may be screwed. I don't want it to take a major upheaval, but considering how dense some of our fellow Americans are, that may be the only thing that works.

[Garbo 2004]

251. I don't think Rover lost all that weight because he was inspired by

Kirstie Alley.

Not that the guy has a conscience about his actions but he certainly cares about his own ass and personal circumstances.

[Ladyhawk]

295. I hope he's distracted enough to allow the Bush admin to continue to

implode.

I want these criminals out of power NOW. It's probably too much to ask, but I'd also like them tried for war crimes and sent to the Hague. Mostly I want them where they are in no position to hurt the rest of us anymore.

[calimary]

250. Uh yeah... Did anyone notice, when he was finished testifying for the

FIFTH time, how much weight he's lost? I seriously doubt he was merely working toward bikini season. This IS big trouble if it's true and it WILL command a LOT of his attention. Besides, his troubles will all be endured under the glare of the lights of all that publicity and the news hounds who will camp out on his front lawn and infringe upon his privacy and bother his wife and block his driveway and litter his yard and annoy his kid and his kid's friends. It won't be an easy thing to just go "drop by kkkarl's place" after hours anymore as I'm sure some pols have done routinely as they consult his wisdomship for their own careers. He thinks he lives in a fishbowl now? Wait til the indictment comes down. However, you can bet one other thing - I bet if he ever has hus mug shot taken, it'll be all upstanding and smiley like tom delay's was, so the opposition couldn't make much use of it.

[caledesi]

75. Don't think so. Rove will be in such a tizzy, that he won't be able

to concentrate on elections. He will be worried about JAIL.

[thereismore]

192. Would you want to be that repug candidate whose campaign

strategist is the INDICTED Karl Rove??? I think he becomes spoiled goods at this point. He is finished as a campaign criminal.

[NJ Democrats]

34. Good! It's about Damn time!!!

35. I bet the white house is really hot today

beware the frogs of may

[Ladyhawk]

317. If he's a frog of May am I allowed to enter him in this contest?

Calaveras County Fair Jumping Frog Jubilee



Or can Karl only "frog march" in May?

[Nimrod2005]

36. Well done Will!!! Thank you for the GREAT NEWS!

Happy happy joy joy...

[Trajan]

37. Smiles HUGE .....

WONDERFUL ! ....

Thanks Will ...

[MissB]

38. Well, thanks.

[Pithy Cherub]

40. It is only fitting Rove's indictment step all over his boss's

press opportunity on Monday. Bush is going to have a hellacious week next week! The irony that Rove is causing his numbers to slide is BEYOND POETIC JUSTICE!

Congrats on the SCOOP!

[columbusdem]

42. I pinched myself...

No, I'm still awake! What a glorious day it will be when the stench of Turd Blossom no longer hovers over the White House rose garden.

[Clark2008]

43. OK - I'm breaking out the bubbly, the steaks and the

beer.

[Hubert Flottz]

45. Did the media also look

under the Fitzmas tree?

[Cooley Hurd]

Muthafucka KICK and IN YO' FACE DOUBTERS!!!!

Thank you VERY SINCERELY!!!

[KoKo]

199. WOW! That's some INCREDIBLE EXHUBERANCE!

....

[Cooley Hurd]

208. Okay.., it's Saturday, & I've been drinking...

...but it seems like we're on the cusp of harmonic divergence!

[CrazyOrangeCat]

48. !!!

[Maru Kitteh]

49. you better be right Will, otherwiise you are just a cruel, cruel man

But I'm going to assume you are so .............

[deadparrot]

50. Really?

[LibertyorDeath]

51. DON'T PLAY WITH ME !!!!!

I Really want to BELIEVE!!

THANK YOU !!

Patrick Fitzgerald & all the True patriots at the DOJ!

Three Cheers!!!

[Gabi Hayes]

52. so how come CNN and CNN Headline News haven't said word one?

they're talking about a whole lot of stuff, like the weather, Mt. St. Helen's, NSA records, Moussaoui, but not a word since the top of the hour on this

anybody else find this peculiar?

[WilliamPitt]

61. They don't have it yet

No one does. Until about twelve minutes ago. That's what happens when you have an exclusive.

[Gabi Hayes]

79. MAN, I hope you're right! should I go to the liquor store and get

a bottle of 25 year old scotch?

will there be widespread news by then?

thanks for all you do, and I'm hoping fervently that this redounds to the benefit of Leopold, for whom I hold much regard, and who's been taking heavy heat, as you're well aware

PLEASE let this happen soon....

[caledesi]

80. William Pitt - you are the greatest! Scooping MSM...ha ha nt

[caledesi]

83. Took a "little stroll" over to FR....nothing yet. Their heads will

explode! Can't wait.

[tavalon]

99. If you have an account

Give them a snippet and the Truthout URL. Don't just watch the shit, be a shit stirrer! It's for a good cause!

[caledesi]

102. They kicked me off about 3 times. Wish someone else would do it.

Course I could delete my cookies.

[Rhiannon12866]

299. I've belonged to FR since 2003, so could probably pull it off, since I

have kept a low profile, except for the John Kerry swift boating. That's when I had to step up to the plate and everybody pretty much backed off, since I had the facts. I haven't posted there much since then. But I'd rather just observe the implosion when it happens. This will be a big one.

[WilliamPitt]

88. It wasn't me

It was Jason, and truthout.

[caledesi]

93. Well thanks to Truthout and Jason (big kiss). nt

[helderheid]

143. I'll second that kiss!

SMOOOOOCH!

[KAT119]

201. I third the hugs & kisses galore to Jason, Truthout & dear William Pitt!!!

[helderheid]

did you ever think you'd kiss Will Pitt? Hee hee!

[TexasLady]

371. what? hes cute n kissable!

no he is...oh yes he is..

[Rose Siding]

218. What's the traffic like on the story so far? Does other media contact TO?

Have they asked about the report?

I just want to hug someone!

[calimary]

262. Yeah, Will - I'd like to know that, myself. Has anybody else seen this?

Surely some of 'em are wading through the net. Or perhaps somebody has messaged one or more of them about this. Word about this has to be getting out pretty quickly. Any reaction yet from any mainstreamers, or do they still roll their eyeballs at outfits like Truthout?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

254. I'll shake your hand Will. But that's it!

[XemaSab]

453. You came back!

[Clark2008]

110. It doesn't take much to scoop them anymore.

I haven't reported in seven years and, in the time I've been gone, I've watched the corporate media turn into nothing but National Enquirer wannabes with a side of corporate-shilling mush.

BTW, I'm in no way disparaging Truthout by alleging it doesn't take much to scoop them anymore: it's just a fact. Most of the corporate media is chocked full of lazy slime these days.

[Patsy Stone]

166. Clinky, darling!

[Clark2008]

231. Clinky!!

Martini, Pats?

[Patsy Stone]

234. Absolutely! Thanks!

[calimary]

264. Here, here. It's 10 years since I left the business. It's completely

deteriorated in that time. But as long as the White House has handouts to pass around, and there are lazy reporters more interested in not blowing their precious fucking access by doing a "Cincinatti rewrite" on it, or afraid of rattling somebody's cages in the executive suites, that's how it may stay. For now.

No disparaging of anyone from Cincinatti. I used to work with a guy who produced one of the local news shows. I wrote for it. He used to talk all the time about what he called the "Cincinatti rewrite" - in which you just regurgitate the press release or the A-wire (long writethru meant for newspapers, not for air). It was his nickname for lazy writing.

[tavalon]

94. And even if one of the morons at those "news" stations

reads truthout, they haven't received their GOP talking points yet, so no point in bringing it up.

[leveymg]

97. Someday, soon, maybe you and Jason will tell us how you did it.

Congratulations. THIS IS THE BEST NEWS IN A LONG TIME!!!! Thanks for doing this.

[girl gone mad]

249. Of course, you guys probably won't be given credit by the MSM.

Time and time again I see stories broken first on the internet, only to watch the MSM pat each other on the back for "breaking" the news hours, days, weeks, even months later.

[Seabiscuit]

367. I sure hope Leopold's sources prove to be reliable this time.

If not, you and Leopold have staked your reputation on a bad story and your many followers may cast a jaundiced eye towards future "scoops" you endorse.

If so, you'll hear nothing but praise from moi from now on.

[KeepItReal]

64. Uh...nobody around in WH to give them marching orders?

That's my guess.

[Gabi Hayes]

84. that's true. the thing is on vacation again

he may not want to surface for his little report on Monday

[KeepItReal]

98. He is gonna be under seige in Camp David

Bet he wished he went to Crawford this weekend

[Nikki Stone 1]

53. KICKING THIS ONE! (Thanks, William Pitt!)

Best damned news in awhile.

[drm604]

54. K & Friggin' R

Geeze, yesterday was Fitzmas and we didn't even know it!

But that's okay!

[calimary]

265. Truly. Lordy, Lordy, tomorrow's Mother's Day, and then Tuesday is

my birthday. WHAT A WAY TO CELEBRATE?

YOWZA!!!

[H2O Man]

374. Tuesday ....

mine as well.

[stop the bleeding]

435. Well Happy B-day

I still haven't cracked the bubbly, I am doing a little more checking - I just got here.

[calimary]

438. Toast to you as well, H2O Man!

[countingbluecars]

55. Wonderful news.

I wonder if Tony Snow is regretting his decision to take the Press Secretary job? Things are going to get hot.

[tavalon]

106. Tony Snow is way too stupid and arrogant to regret his decision

But did you see that grin on Scottie's face on his last day at that podium? It was genuine and joyful. McClellen is happy to be out and his face shows that as clearly as his lying always did. He should not ever take up poker.

[riderinthestorm]

56. Does that mean the frog march is today???

24 hours from Friday afternoon??

I am so confused! Do we break out the champagne today?



What a great Mother's Day present!

[calimary]

271. Come to think of it, that 24-hour note is RAWTHER intriguing.

Considering how this bunch manipulates the news coverage, how conceivable might it be that this is actually happening, NOW? That kkkarl is cleaning out his desk NOW - on a Saturday of a Mother's Day weekend when the Friday night news dump has already come and gone and there won't be any coverage of anything til Monday and all the main camera crews are off for the weekend (as are most of the big name correspondents and anchors and ALL of the news/network brass) and you have skeleton crews on staff in most of the DC outlets, and the city's pretty dead and everybody's off at their beach houses and boats and golf courses til Monday? A savvy assignment editor might do well to assign some crew to birddog kkarl NOW, camp out across the street from his house and keep watch around the clock. That's what some of 'em did during Watergate. It may be going down even as we speak, so that it'll be a done deal by Monday when it's announced (or WHENEVER) and kkkarl will ALREADY have cleared out his office and departed, so nobody can get any pictures for the news shows. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they were smuggling him out the side door when everybody else is off duty for the weekend, so that when work resumes on Monday morning, he's long gone and safely out of range.

I'll BET that's what's happening.

I'll bet kkkarl rove sightings from here on will be VERY limited. Get him OUTTA there! Don't want the reminders out there on the evening news to distract everybody from the distractions WE'VE already arranged, do we?

[Sperk]

57. PLEEEEASE let Fitz's press conference be Monday !!

I don't have to work and I can watch and savor ever delicious moment!

No wonder the Chimperor went away this weekend. Getting his meds adjusted and working on the mass mailing of talking points, no doubt! GIVE IT UP SMIRKY! We don't believe a word you or your talking heads say!

[fooj]

70. The Chimperor ALWAYS takes off...

Now we know why this "Prime-time" speech was announced, eh? Funny thing is...if Fitz holds a press conference on Monday- no one will give a rat's ass about his immigration bullshit. This announcement will trump EVERYTHING, IMO.

[Recursion]

266. Really?

You're imagining most people in this country know who Karl Rove is. I disagree.

[pacalo]

306. They will after this is announced. Former WH Deputy Chief of Staff.

They do know who's pResident & that this will be the second crook with a major position on Bush's WH staff to be indicted by a federal grand jury.

[caledesi]

91. Yeah, would love to see Fitzy's beautiful face and I know I will

love the delivery. Straight-forward, no emotion, no axe to grind. I LOVE it.

[sellitman]

58. Awesome!

Is Cheney next?

I'm like a drug addict now....I want more.

[tavalon]

124. If it looks like this will continue up the food chain

my prediction is that he will resign so that Chimpy can appoint a VP (McCain), then Chimpy will either resign before being impeached (more noble but unlikely - this creature is not noble) or after and will be pardoned as will Cheney et al., by the aforementioned VP who will become acting President for the remainder of the term. Acting President McCain will then have the incumbent advantage, probably the only Rethug on earth to be able to fish an advantage out of this mess. Anyone still confused by the turn around of McCain and the famous huggsys and cakes?

The names are different, but the story has a feel of deja vu to it, doesn't it?

[The Wielding Truth]

315. tavalon, if the RNC contacts you for good ideas

please keep this one to yourself.If you have scoped this out as their strategy what should our next move be? You are amazing.

[tavalon]

352. Um,

I just told a group with 80,000 members. I doubt the RNC looks at it, but don't worry, I won't spill the beans to them. But, come on, this doesn't look like rocket science to me - those of us over the age of 40 have seen this already, different cast, pretty much same storyline.

Our next move? Who the hell knows?

My next move would be to cry. My next step after that would be to pray that McCain hasn't gone completely to the dark side but I'm not holding out a lot of hope there - more, I would hope that he would stand up to his puppet masters once he was in the Oval Office. He is, after all, a tad smarter than the Chimp and he's been seasoned by life in a way the Chimperor cannot even imagine. Sadly, though, he is smart enough to pardon all as ordered as he will be destroyed otherwise.

No good news here. I'm just hoping they're too stupid for this one. I mean, it's happened before. They aren't nearly as smart as we give them credit for and evil without smart is not well focused.

So, I remain hopeful that they will continue to chase their tails and continue to put their trust in Diebold, er, I mean God. And I hope no one lets the chimperor near the button - he's got way too itchy fingers. He wants to put the "nukular" hurt on Iran in a big way, and not just so he can be the "War Prez'dint" again and get to strut around in his flight suit.

[alcibiades_mystery]

59. I will change my sig line

When a credible news source reports it!

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

60. Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a man who I'm sure has made no enemies, haha. Right.

He's probably going to have to learn the fine "art" of looking back over his shoulder.

What a shame. Couldn't happene to a nicer guy.

[helderheid]

65. I'm FINALLY opening up that bottle of champagne! freudenschade baby!

[bear425]

127. Schadenfreude. Tee hee. Have you been drinking already?

Got my Veuve Clicquot chilled and ready! Cheers, my friend!

[helderheid]

148. Oh good lord! LMAO!!! No, I've not broken out the bubbly yet!

[tuvor]

68. karl "will immediately resign" once this is publicly announced!

"As TruthOut reported Friday evening, Rove told President Bush and Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, as well as a few other high level administration officials, that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him, according to sources."

[Minnesota Libra]

69. I'm waiting - not holding my breath - for the conviction - I want.........

..... to see him in shackles entering prison.

[leveymg]

71. WOW! Jason, you're famous! This marks a major change in news media.

Congratulations also to Will and to TruthOut!

This is history being reported in real time. What an amazing age we live in.

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ladyhawk]

323. I found out the hard way I wasn't made for "interesting times."

Anyone else concur? This whole mess has made a wreck out of me.

[leveymg]

422. The last six years have been very difficult for me, too. But, I'm

beginning to allow myself to believe that we're near the end of the long night.

Lately, I feel like a yoyo.

[Mr_Spock]

72. Holy shit!!

This is good news and hopefully fully confirms my feeling that Rove was indeed indicted already when the news was announced by you yesterday.

Woot!!

[tulsakatz]

74. this is great news!!

Thank you for making a bad day sooooooooo much better!!

[spanone]

76. KKKarl Rove Indicted.......Priceless

[The Revolution]

77. Cool. K&R

All the crap Rove has pulled is finally catching up to him.

[Divine Discontent]

181. YIPEE YIPEE YIPEE!!!!!

hip hip hooray, hip hip hooray, hip hip hooray!!!


YAYAYAYA!


check this out!


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable THE BEST IN ANTI-BUSH stickers & shirts

[RDANGELO]

81. One more notch up the food chain.

Ok junior, what did you know and when did you know it.

[napi21]

82. And YOU told me to take a deep breath and take the weekend off!

THANKS for working the weekend, and giving us a heads up on the GREAT news!

Now, stop telling us to NOT CELEBRATE!

[warrior1]

89. Good job Will

[IChing]

86. GREAT NEWS I WONDER IF THE BUSHENFURHER WILL MENTION IT IN HIS

SPEECH MONDAY.

Sorta gives a whole new twist to his speech on immigration doesn't it?

[Tsiyu]

87. We've grown attached to the Turd Blossom graphic on the car.

I promised I would keep it on til Fitzmas, but I think I'll leave it up til he's formally sentenced.

It's been on there about a year and a half. Persistence pays

[Swamp Rat]

232. Oi buddyhollysghost!

Sabe quem eu encontrei ontem?



Ele estava aqui em NO ontem, na universidade perto da minha casa, pra fazer um discurso sobre nossa cultura!

[Tsiyu]

350. E uma experiencia boa para o seu espirito

Estou contente que o meu prezado amigo fazer isto.

Nao ha nada de novo aqui

[Sparkly]

90. What's the 24 hours about?

What happens after that 24 hours expires?

[napi21]

117. The public announcement I suspect. n/t

[mountainvue]

307. I think Rove has to turn himself in. n/t

[Klimmer]

92. OH. MY. GOD. !! Can't wait to tell my Repug Relatives and Friends!

Maybe now with the BCF and Neo-con Admin. imploding, we can maybe, just maybe, get our country back (if the bastards don't start WWIII or pull another 9-11).

And when we do, we will investigate every damn crime they ever committed: illegal pre-emptive war and profiteering, oil and energy monopoly and profiteering, MIHOP 9-11, Patriot Act, NSA domestic spying via phone/email/satellite imagery, election fraud and corruption, political assassinations all the way back to JFK, and so much more.

God, please make it come true. May your truth prevail, and all the criminals who are destroying this good Earth and our once great country rot in hell.

[Ladyhawk]

327. It's my Republican mother's birthday.

I called her up to sing "Happy Birthday" to her--I'm a vocalist --and she asked me what I've been doing today.

"Followin' the news," I said casually. When I asked her what was going on, I told her an "alternative news source" was reporting that Karl Rove has been indicted. Hey, at least it will cause a little cognitive dissonance until she hears the "Karl is innocent" talking points. Probably she's already heard them, so this may not have fazed her. I do hope she has a happy birthday, but I also wish she would let something into her brain besides Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al. It ain't never gonna happen though.

[madrchsod]

95. so rove`s attorneys or rove himself

told the whitehouse, then someone who was privey to this conversation revealed the information on the indictment. i wonder why?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

152. Rove has enemies within the White House...I'd say the primary...

...suspects are in the VP's camp. I think they believe that Rove gave them up, and they're getting even anyway they can.

[diamondsndust]

205. The answer to your question is easy....

"so rove`s attorneys or rove himself told the whitehouse, then someone who was privey to this conversation revealed the information on the indictment. i wonder why?"

Because it's just in their nature as lying, corrupt scumbags that they just can't help themselves from leaking stuff or doing something wrong, it's the only life they know.

[graywarrior]

96. THANKS WILL!!!!

Perfect for my trip back to New Hampshire

[racaulk]

101. That's awesome news!

My faith in America has been restored! This is a great day! I'm going to sit back and watch this story unfold...

I can't wait to see how the "liberal" media spins this one!!!

[catmandu57]

103. Do you suppose he'll smile for his mugshot?

ala the bugman. It feels like a great weight is lifting off my shoulders.

[democrank]

104. You mean.......

the TRUTH is OUT? Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

105. Will, are you staking out the WH--is Karl moving boxes?

....During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.

[wishlist]

107. I think Rove gets 24 hours to arrange a plea bargain before indictment

I believe if Rove does not desire to negotiate a plea agreement after being given 24 hours from notification of charges, Fitz can then present the judge with formal charges and make the public announcement.

[madrchsod]

118. yes., you are right

and i`m sure that is what is being offered. roll over karl or you are going to jail...

[HereSince1628]

196. These little technical details trip me up. I thought that once the GJ

voted to indict they moved with haste to a courtroom and handed up their indictment to the judge who then gets it recorded and swears out the arrest order, etc.

Is there a lawyer out there who can clear up the choreographic options?

[wishlist]

253. I have my doubts that GJ has voted on the charges that Fitz is planning

It is possible that Fitz was notifying Rove's attorneys that he has decided to recommend that the GJ indict Rove on these charges and gave Rove 24 hours in case Rove wants to roll over. Then if Rove indicates no interest in a plea bargain, Fitz must meet with the GJ next week for them to vote to indict, indictment goes to judge and then Fitz will announce press conference for the next day.

[HereSince1628]

257. On the 16th Fitz is in court with a Libby pretrial issue.

I was thinking much of next week is gonna be tied up with that.

[40ozDonkey]

108. Meh...

If G. Gordon Liddy is any example, this treasonous bastard will have a book deal by the end of next year.
Perjury's nice (and obvious), but these people aren't just liars. They're traitors. You or I would've been lined up against the wall by now, not that we would ever stoop to their level.

They're not getting what they're due.
Frog march 'em, sure, but they should still keep digging. I'd say we have a cap of... ohhh... <consults Ken Starr's receipts>.. about 160 million taxpayer dollars and several more years, in all fairness. Keep it up, Fitz.

[fooj]

115. Welcome to DU!

[Gabi Hayes]

109. Two words:

Fair Game

Valerie Plame

Joe Wilson

[jillan]

111. It's finally Fitzmas!!!!

[Old and In the Way]

113. Ssssshweeeet

The Harder They Come, The Harder They Fall....One and All!

[blogslut]

116. I shall wait

with guarded anticipation.

It's a sealed indictment right? No announcements until KKKarl turns himself in right?

[mom cat]

120. All I want for Fritzmas is indited Rove

And maybe some jail for Dicky Cheney!

[me b zola]

122. I'm a believer, I believe Leopold's article.

So now I'm wondering about the timing of bush*s immigration speech tomorrow. In Leopold's article that you posted yesterday, 'ROVE INFORMS WHITE HOUSE HE WILL BE INDICTED', the final paragraph is sticking out im my mind:

"... "There's no doubt that it will be front page news if and when (an indictment) happens. But eventually it will become old news quickly. The key issue here is that the president or Mr. Bolten respond to the charges immediately, make a statement and then move on to other important policy issues and keep that as the main focus going forward.""


I think that this is how they will handle the spin. They will inudate the airwaves with their talking heads saying things like "bush* is working at the people's business, and all you (meaning anyone who is talking about the indictment and the corruption of the administration) want to play the blame game. We want to look forward, and you all are looking back." ----or some dribble to that effect.

If I'm right about how they are going to spin it, are we ready to counter it? Are our elected Dems who will get airtime? Will the media focus on the big story of bush*s brain being indicted, or will they be bullied into dropping it for more slight of hand by bush*?

[BuyingThyme]

131. I think the timing, if it's legit, is good.

It will make Bush's "plan" look like nothing but a stunt.

He's be better off hiding.

[Disturbed]

132. I am greedy.

I want Cheney Indicted for Treason.

[aquart]

211. Really?

I want him hanged for it.

[thereismore]

217. Heh heh. Imagine the chimp speechifying on teevee, with a banner

that says "Karl Rove resigns after being indicted for perjury"

[Tuesday_Morning]

123. Love it!

Love you guys!

Can I have front seats for the frog march?

[marions ghost]

128. Merry Fitzmas to All

to Truthout and Will Pitt

and

on this momentous occasion--the official Outing of Turdblossom

[spuddonna]

129. Who knew Fitzmas was gonna fall on Mother's Day weekend!?

What a treat! My breakfast in bed, hot coffee and KKKarl peeing his pants on the front page of a newspaper!!

[KeepItReal]

136. Now that's a *real* mutha for ya...yeah!

[DrDebug]

130. K&R. I almost missed this post

It wasn't until I realized that yesterday's thread had 890235980 replies and 238905 recommendations.

Jason, you rock. Fitz, you rock even more.

[chrisbur]

134. So there it is.

Any word yet in the SCLMSM? Who will care?

I thought for sure the logging of domestic phone calls would do the trick and save the country/world. Evidently I'm a big alarmist, this has all happened before and all we have to do is wait through some arcane media spin process by which the Democrats must deny any intentions of impeachment for 5 more months, get elected,break said promise and viola!. Oh yeah, and any talk of election shenanigans is just looony.

[ProSense]

135. Excellent! n/t

[Ms. Clio]

137. first I need to dance around the room for a while

then I need to make an "I told you so" phone call.

Wow this is unfreakinbelievably joyous news.

[caledesi]

138. I am ready for my close-up, Mr. Deville.....

[rpgamerd00d]

139. Keep us posted as to when the MSM gets this.

And link it when they do.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

140. K & R. Hey Will....where's that poster who owes you money? :-)

[dalaigh lllama]

141. Any speculation as to why no announcement yesterday?

I do so want to believe, but I'm almost afraid to.

[libhill]

142. But but but -

I thought Repukes were above the law???

[Jane Austin]

144. Unless they were going to slap him jail - - - which they don't do in civil

cases, especially to people who are on their own recognizance, - - why would Fitz tell him he had 24 hours to get his affairs in order?

That part doesn't make sense to me.

[Garbo 2004]

267. ? It's not a civil case, it's a criminal matter. Perhaps to give Rover a

last chance to take a plea before he turns himself in for the ultimate photo op, a booking photo?

It's also not unheard of to arrange for a surrender in advance in cases like this as opposed to having the cops show up during breakfast and hauling you out while you've still in your PJ's. Also perhaps it could be a "courtesy" to someone who reportedly allegedly has been helping shove other people under the bus in an attempt to mitigate his own fate. Althought the thought of Rover taking off on the lam would be kinda interesting.

Don't know, just speculatin'.

[Jane Austin]

298. Of course you're right about it not being a civil case. I was thinking

"white collar crime" not civil case. Duh.

Still, I think it's overly dramatic to say "get your affairs in order" in a case like this.

That's what they said to Dearest Husband 26 years ago when MD Anderson Cancer Center sent him home as terminal.

Lucky for him, another surgery and some radiation did the trick. Bonus? Doesn't even have to use deoderant on that side.

Anyway, the choice of words just seemed odd to me.

[Garbo 2004]

372. Wow. Congrats on still having your DH despite that diagnosis. That musta

been a kick in the gut.

But yeah you're right on the report. Unless they're planning to keep Rover in the slammer without bail, which is unlikely and that was your original point, that "get your affairs in order" is a tad melodramatic. I hope that's not part of some spin going on. Poor Rover, sent home to pack his toothbrush, a change of boxers, sigh a farewell to his kids and his wife (who bizarrely looks like a female clone of Rover) before toddling off to the big house.

[Jane Austin]

380. Thanks. That was a scary time.

He was a toddler when his Air Force family lived in the Marshall Islands. They used to watch the atomic tests over Bikini, and they swam in the lagoon.

Unfortunately, the lagoon was where they towed the hulls of the ships that had been the targets of the blasts.

Nothing like a little radiation in the morning.

His father had all kinds of internal problems, but lived a normal lifespan. His mother lost her eyesight to macular degeneration.

DH had an awful cancer at age 35. His younger sister (unborn at the time they lived on Kwajalein) had an intestinal blockage, and when they opened her up, everything was backward!

Coincidence? You decide.

[cassiepriam]

145. What about more serious charges? O of J etc ?? nt

[Renew Deal]

146. Hopefully it's announced Tuesday

And take Bushler right out of the news.

[FogerRox]

149. KNR

[Sydnie]

150. Just in time to make or miss the Sunday shows?

Which one is it? Make them or miss them?

[annabanana]

151. And Charlie Brown backs up, his eyes to the skies...

The pop fly is in the air and the fans hold their breath...



Will he be the Hero? Or will he be the goat?

(It's going to be a long weekend.)

[Kire]

153. I call bullshit.

Jason Leopold is the only source on both of these big time threads. I don't believe either of them. I will not recommend this thread.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

159. I guess that means you think Will Pitt is lying, too?

[Harper_is_Bush]

255. I didn't see the word "lying".

Why are you being so hostile over this?

[pacalo]

309. Perhaps it was due to the word "bullshit" in regard to Will's post.

That post was hostile, imo, & got an answer it deserved.

[Kire]

388. For that, I refer you to My Pet Rock

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

400. You can't answer for yourself? Why not?

[Kire]

402. okay, I'll speak for myself

Cry Me a River

[Media_Lies_Daily]

409. The breadth and depth of your response is duly noted.

[Kire]

412. You forgot to comment on the simplicity and concision.

[Harper_is_Bush]

395. bullshit

The post was "I call bullshit".

That's a homogenous term which can mean anything, including that the sources are not correct.
It's not necessarily a reflection on the person who put the story together and it's certainly not hostile.

If he had said "I don't believe it" would that have been OK with you?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

399. You really don't know what the original poster meant do you?

[Kire]

404. Original poster?

WilliamPitt?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

407. You're the OP in this sub-thread. Stop playing games.

[Kire]

408. Okay, then.

I know what I meant, and Harper_is_Bush is exactly right. Do you presume to tell me what I mean?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

410. I presume to ask you what you meant. I take your comment as....

...a non-response.

[Kire]

411. take it as you will

care to define non-response? I'll define homogeneous.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

415. Care to define, "I call bullshit"?

[Kire]

417. The word "I" means me, the poster

The word "call" means to exclaim, or declare

The word "bullshit" has homogeneous (single) meaning, as opposed to a heterogenous one where it could mean anything. It means the dung of the male cow. In other words, what the claims of Leopold are worth.

I would also like to define "non-response" as what happens when a request is made (like "please define non-response") and despite a reply changing the subject, the definition is not provided.

Edit: I would like to thank you for the opportunity to make my points clear. Are they crystal enough for you?

[Harper_is_Bush]

418. Care to answer my question in post 395?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

240. I'm Sure Your Lack Of Recommendation Will Be Missed, Only 300 Others Or So

will have done so by the time the night is through.

But if you want to sit there all bitter and cynical go for it. I, on the other hand, will be laughing my ass off with joy at this news.

(and Mr. Leopold and Truthout in general are some of the most accurate sources to be found anywhere )

[Kire]

421. 300?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

430. LFMAO!

Gee, only 200+

I'm pretty sure my point is still valid.

[MoonRiver]

243. Well, cry me a river.

[Kire]

382. Boo Hoo

[ebayfool]

259. That's okay ... I'll recommend it instead!

I takes my good news where I can get it - & I have no reason to call bullshit, Truthout is more than reputable from what I've seen.

Will - Tell Jason crow can be served to the detractors as a main dish or as a side dish, just add the proper condiments! And thanks for the Mother's Day gift, dude ... it's a goody!

[Kire]

383. I'm not a detractor.

I don't think that Will or Jason or lying. I just think they need to get some support outside of the partisan blogosphere. I'll be happy as hell if this is true, but I think this is a big enough story if it were true that it would be picked up by the MSM by now.

[Kire]

384. Skinner says it best

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

313. I'm very skeptical

I can't believe that many people would be leaking to an alternative online news site and failing to speak to their more mainstream contacts. Even if there was some weird consensul censorship in the MSM, I can't help but think it would still be breaking internationally or in other places online.

[Catherine Vincent]

337. I think they are leaking to other mainstreamers.

David Shuster comes to mind. Since he's on tv, he can't just come out and say it before it's official.

[Kire]

385. You think?

[Harper_is_Bush]

397. You think like me. SIX WH aides leaked to truthout, but no MSM?

Seems odd.

Obviously I'm hoping it's true, but I will continue to have and express my doubts.

It's too bad that legitimate act gets portrayed as "hostile" or "attacking" by some over-zelleous folks.

[bunny planet]

154. Yippee Yi Oh Ki Yay !!!!!

This is great news.

[Patsy Stone]

187. Clinky, darling!

[bunny planet]

258. Patsela!!!!

I'm so happy I could have a chicken.

Clinky back atcha.

[gademocrat7]

155. Yes, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Finally, Justice is being served. Thank you Mr. Fitzpatrick.

[DoYouEverWonder]

157. Hey, do I get the prize? 9:09 AM

It is possible that Rove has already been indicted but that the indictment was put under seal for any number of reasons.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[sheelz]

164. Nope

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[DoYouEverWonder]

168. LOL

H2O Man is always two steps ahead of the rest of us on this one.

Of course, he deserves the prize.

[Jack Rabbit]

158. OK, I'll break out the champagne now.

[rodeodance]

163. well, its in not on cnn 5 pm news (CT).

[Jack Rabbit]

169. Because it won't be announced until Monday or Tuesday

I trust Will Pitt and Jason Leopold.

[Kire]

393. or Wednesday or Thursday

or next December, or February, 2009

[Media_Lies_Daily]

175. You're not going to see it today.....

...as noted in the Truthout article referenced in the OP:

"An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown. Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the special prosecutor was unavailable for comment. In the past, Samborn said he could not comment on the case."

[npincus]

160. Fuckin'-A!

[Fleshdancer]

161. Rove Informs White House He Will Be Indicted

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_jason_le_060513...

Within the last week, Karl Rove told President Bush and Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, as well as a few other high level administration officials, that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him, according to sources.

Details of Rove's discussions with the president and Bolten have spread through the corridors of the White House where low-level staffers and senior officials were trying to determine how the indictment would impact an administration that has been mired in a number of high-profile political scandals for nearly a year, said a half-dozen White House aides and two senior officials who work at the Republican National Committee.

[malaise]

165. OK here I go again

Happy Fitzmas all

Add text

167. the Plame case was what caused me to visit DU on a regular basis

now that the case is peaking, what is the point in hanging out. Ha, just kidding. DU is great. And it sure beats my family website where people post 1X/month.

[npincus]

170. So, is that a Monday Frog March?

[Patsy Stone]

171. Here's to Truthout! Here's to Jason Leopold!

Here's to Patrick J. Fitzgerald!



Thanks, Will.

[Halliburton]

172. Leopold better be right about this

I hope this article is accurate. I don't want to get my hopes up yet until I hear it from another source.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

179. Would Will Pitt be posting this if it wasn't true?

[sheelz]

263. Do you think we should pass this on to the MSM?

The "good news" should pop everywhere, huh?

[Harper_is_Bush]

398. Are you suggesting Halliburton is questioning Will Pitts honesty? n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

401. By extension, yes I do. Will is the senior editor for Truthout....

...and has been fact-checking Jason's articles. If Kire is questioning Jason Leopold's veracity, then he's also questioning Will's veracity.

Are you in the same boat as Kire?

[Harper_is_Bush]

406. Are you sure "veracity" is the word you want?

Halliburton referred to Leopold being "right" (or not). That does not imply that Leopold (or by extension, Will Pitt) might be lacking in honesty.

Perhaps you should just allow people to express doubts without accusing them of accusing others of dishonesty?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

413. "Veracity" is exactly the word I want. Kire is the individual that....

...stated "I call bullshit" in response to Jason's Truthout column that Will posted. Using that phrase in the context of this board is the same as calling them liars.

You backed up Kire throughout this sub-thread...therefore you are also calling Jason and Leopold liars.

Now you both seem to be backing away from your earlier comments. Why is that, exactly?

[BrklynLiberal]

173. Yessssssssssssss! Been saving this pic for this day!!

[Bozita]

190. picture that on the frontpage of every Sunday paper in America

Thanks!

[BrklynLiberal]

210. Be still my heart! What a wonderful dream.

[wizdum]

354. Nice one!

It brought tears of joy to my eyes...

[Greybnk48]

174. Thank you Will Pitt!!

What a wonderful Mother's Day present this is!! And thanks for all that you do.

[NNN0LHI]

183. Yea, yea, yea. You don't have to get all mushy about it

Just joking Greybnk48 .

Thanks for all you do Will.

I think I have said that before?

Don

[demobabe]

178. WTF??? THIS ARTICLE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE

I know you guys are all going to flame me, but please please hear me out on this:

"Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove."

"Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove"

"The grand jury hearing evidence in the Plame Wilson case met Friday on other matters while Fitzgerald spent the entire day at Luskin's office."

Something is just wrong here.

Which was it?

Half a day? An entire day? Fifteen hours?

When did Fitz get time to file these papers here? http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12774143/site/newsweek

Why the HELL would Fitz spend fifteen hours "going over the charges" against Rove? Hullo???

This isn't how Fitz works. Review how he handled Libby.

You mean NO OTHER MEDIA would have noticed this? Fitz has been followed everywhere in recent months.

"instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order"

Assuming this is true, THIS sounds like a target letter (or the equivalent). Which would mean the previous target letter Leopold reported as being fact several times over does not exist.

"Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators."

"An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown."

Perjury and lying to the investigators are the same things.

Fitz isn't the one who indicts. The Grand Jury is. It was reported they met on other things Friday, so they didn't indict Rove unless they did it previously, in which case, we would have HEARD ABOUT IT!

So we have no sources that will go on record, no comments from anybody directly involved, and conflicting info throughout the article.

This is horrible. We have REAL NEWS TODAY ON THE CIA LEAK CASE, and it is here:

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/0...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12774143/site/newsweek /

An actual document. Court filings. Actual news backed up by proof. Where is your proof, Truthout? Why aren't you reporting the real news of the documents in the Libby case?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

204. Incredible. How closely did you read the article?....

"Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove."

"Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove"

Why do you believe the two events are mutually exclusive? If Fitz spent half a day in the Patton Boggs office, that would equal about 4-6 hours talking to Luskin. Fitz then spent the remaining 9-11 hours talking with Luskin at one or more locations outside of the Patton Boggs office.

"The grand jury hearing evidence in the Plame Wilson case met Friday on other matters while Fitzgerald spent the entire day at Luskin's office."

Yes, the Grand Jury can be convened to discuss other legal matters. Why is that an issue?

"Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators."

The charges of perjury may have to do with Rove lying to someone other than the investigators. That may be the reason for the distinction being made between "charges of perjury and lying to investigators".

"An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown."

I simply do not understand why you have a problem with this statement. Fitz works on his own schedule, something everyone following this case should know by now.

As far as how Fitz handled Libby, I recall he spent several hours in the law office representing Libby prior to announcing the charges against Libby. Doesn't look like he handled Rove any differently, IMHO.

As to your remarks about why other media outlets have not picked up on certain parts of this story, which of those MSM stooges wants to be first to report this major blow against the Necon Junta?

You seem more interested in attacking the veracity of Jason Leopold, and by extension, Will Pitt, then you do in trying to understand what Leopold actually wrote.

[Harper_is_Bush]

247. other media not breaking it....

"As to your remarks about why other media outlets have not picked up on certain parts of this story, which of those MSM stooges wants to be first to report this major blow against the Necon Junta?"

I'm quite sure MSM would fall over itself to break this story. I don't believe for one second that MSM ('cept maybe Fox) would not go to print with this out of fear.

The MSM, presumably, doesn't have the sources Jason Leopold does. I hope those sources are legit. We've seen gotchas of this nature before.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

355. Right. Whatever you say.

[Harper_is_Bush]

394. Why even bother with a response like that?

Your anger is misplaced.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

405. My "anger is misplaced"?..........

...No, I know exactly why I'm angry with you and the others that are attacking Leopold and Witt. There is nothing "misplaced" about that at all.

[HereSince1628]

212. I hear you. Not being a lawyer I wonder why Fitz would sit on a GJ vote

and not move the GJ into a courtroom to hand up the indictment. Why would he put it in his brief case and go off to visit Rove's lawyers? I don't get that.

Handing up the indictment wouldn't really prevent Rove from striking a plea bargain. Indeed, it seems to me once Rove _is_ indicted the pressure will be even greater for Rove to cop a plea.

Maybe some legal eagle can explain whether the reported choreography has any similarity with usual practice and/or Fitzgerald's previous behaviors.

[Patsy Stone]

213. Here's my take:

The 15 hours was over several days. At least half a day was spent yesterday at the lawyer's office.

That filing had been in the works for a while. The information was requested by Libby's lawyers on May 5: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

There were sealed indictments already. He got that earlier and went to Rove's lawyer's to discuss them all over time (15 hours worth). Yesterday, he told them they had a day to decide whether or not to make a plea. It's now up to Fitz to make the formal announcement. That's what the world is waiting for. Either that, or for Rove to step down. But he already said he's not going to until the indictments are revealed. Thus, the ball is in Fitz's court.

My .02. And I reserve the right to be wrong.

[Garbo 2004]

244. Perjury and lying to investigators are not the same thing. Perjury is

lying while under oath. Lying to fed investigators during the course of an investigation, while not under oath, is also a crime. (Martha Stewart didn't serve time in prison for perjury as I recall but for lying to fed investigators.) Rove lied to fed investigators in fall 2003 and subsequently lied in his testimony to the grand jury.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

357. Thanks. Excellent explanation! :-)

[DemReadingDU]

180. Thank you Jason Leopold, William Pitt & Truthout!

K&R!!

[Rex]

182. Congrats on breaking the story.

I've been waiting to change this picture for awhile now. Time for an update. Hey Rove...getting closer...don't drop the soap...

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

184. Op-ed News and TPM now has the story!!!!!!!!!

[HereSince1628]

188. Is it an independent story or an echo of Leopold's?

If it's independent corroboration that's GREAT. If it's an echo....well, it's an echo.

[symbolman]

219. The story on TPM

is about the CHENEY writing on the Wilson news article, damning evidence that Cheney DID send Wilson to Niger, NOTHING at all about this manic-depressive article by Leoplod, let's keep this straight, since the article by Truthout is obviously a load of bull to anyone that thinks that ALL major news media are going to let a two bit webpage get the scoop of the decade.

Get real people, this article makes absolutely NO sense, none of it adds up. Use your mind and set the blood lust, which I feel as well, aside re Rove the Pigman.

I find it odd that these stories keep popping up as soon as there's any REAL news about other parts of this case...

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

From TPM: Rove indicted

From TPM:


"Breaking

Crimes and Corruptions of the New World Order News
BREAKING: Karl Rove Indicted - Perjury!
By Marc Parent | bio
And Lying to Investigators!

He's Going Down!
---
May 13, 2006

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.

During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning..."

http://americaabroad.tpmcafe.com/node/29825


It DOES trace back to truthout as well and Leopold, so no independent confirmation yet.

[demobabe]

245. That's the Cafe - not TPM proper

Josh Micah Marshall wouldn't be caught dead reporting something like this...

[HereSince1628]

248. Exactly the TPMcafe story is just an echo in the chamber.

It can't count as confirmation

[Karmadillo]

185. Does the suggested timeline fit Fitzgerald's usual MO when it comes to

indictments? I thought I had read on DU he normally moves quickly from target letter to indictment to announcement. This seems to be moving much more slowly. Hope it's all true, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[BuyingThyme]

186. I read something about a sealed indictment, or something like that.

I don't know what it means.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

216. It's not very often that a prosecutor is involved in investigating....

...the top levels of the U. S. Government. I recall Watergate, Iran-Contra, and the Starr Inquisition as the only previous cases that merited a Special Prosecutor, or a prosecutor with powers equivalent to a Special Prosecutor.

Given what we know about the NeoCon Junta, I would imagine that Fitz has been very deliberate at each step in the process to be absolutely sure all of his ducks were in a row and quacking in unison.

[Gregorian]

189. Book'em Danno!

And while you're at it, flush'em too.




PS- Congrats Truthout on a great job!

[understandinglife]

191. Another Jason Leopold total scoop on the entire duplicitous corp. media.

Never Forget: George W. Bush willfully violated National Security to cover-up his willful launch of a war of aggression and illegal occupation of Iraq.

[Patsy Stone]

193. This is the week that was...

Yay! It's good sharing this time with friends.

[understandinglife]

197. Hey there!!

Peace, my friend.

[emulatorloo]

194. Kick n/t

[thereismore]

195. The grand jury ... met Friday on OTHER matters while

Fitzgerald spent the entire day at Luskin's office.

OTHER matters?
People, Fitzmas is not over. The investigation goes on, and there may be more indictments coming!!!

[Fleshdancer]

203. perhaps they met to discuss Cheney's notes:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12774274/site/newsweek /

May 13, 2006 - The role of Vice President Dick Cheney in the criminal case stemming from the outing of White House critic Joseph Wilson's CIA wife is likely to get fresh attention as a result of newly disclosed notes showing that Cheney personally asked whether Wilson had been sent by his wife on a "junket" to Africa.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

224. That's not a bad guess, IMHO.

[MelissaB]

198. Sweet! Congratulations Truthout and Jason!

[Coexist]

202. Way to go Truthout!

[slybacon9]

207. TONIGHT: EVERYBODY GETS LAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[rpgamerd00d]

214. Is that an offer?

[berni_mccoy]

215. AND YOU KNOW THE FREEPERS ALL KNOW BY NOW!!!

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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[MoonRiver]

222. omg omg omg....OMG!!

[dogday]

226. This waiting is driving me nuts

[malaise]

272. This should help

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[stepnw1f]

227. MERRY FITZMAS

and a verrrry HAPPY BLUE YEAR!!!

[cally]

228. I'm getting ready for the frog march

I'm not sure if I will be excited or just feel relieved that justice is finally prevailing.

[Ksec]

229. WOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO

[Ladyhawk]

230. In the sixth month of Fitzmas, Fitzgerald gave to ME-E-E-E-E!`

A doppelganger for a giant BABY!!!!!!!

Maybe I'm celebrating prematurely, but hell, I haven't felt much like celebrating anything lately. I wish I knew some of you IRL. We could do some champagne.

[Cha]

233. Fantastic...the 1st Liar's brain gets

charged as a LIAR!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

235. God Bless Truthout. Will, This Was The Last Thing I Expected To See On DU

upon my return from dinner with my wife and kids. Talk about your pleasant surprises!!!

[stop the bleeding]

436. ditto n/t

[BreweryYardRat]

236. WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

*breaks out Kahlua*

Normally not a drinking man, but I obtained some in anticipation of an indictment on Mon. Was not expecting this! HELL YES! 'Bout time that son of a bitch got indicted!

[robbedvoter]

239. Bye turd blossom! Thanks, Truthout!

[KalicoKitty]

282. Hahaha

Thanks for the laugh!!!

[suffragette]

246. First Libby, then Rove, now making a serious move on Cheney

We should designate the day Fitz was appointed as "Justice Day" and honor it each year.

Will, You and Jason rock!

Now, where's that woohoo emoticon?

Here it is.

[Patsy Stone]

Really, the Cheney part

is gonna be the sweetest of all. This is a scrumtious amuse bouche!

[suffragette]

260. It sure is.

And if this is the amuse bouche, I can't wait for the entree.

[flyarm]

252. WOOO HOOO CHAMPAGNE IS OPENING NOW!! POPPING CORK!

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WEEEEEEEEE HEEEEEEEEEEEE..PARTYYYYYYYYYY

OMG HAVE WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

woooooooooo hoooooooooooooooo

Will

thanks for the heads up!!!

fly

[fooj]

256. Hey, I wanna come to YOUR party!

[Patsy Stone]

261. I believe

I do too! , fooj.

[MelissaB]

274. I'm drooping in, too.

It just looks like too much fun.

[flyarm]

281. WOOO HOOOO GIRLS..CHAMPAGNE AND CHAMBORD??

WITH FRESH FROZEN RASBERRIES???

and little umbrellas in your champagne flute???????

woooooooooooooooooooooo hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

with sun setting over the gulf of mexico...nothing better...rove fed to the sharks...and we can watch him go down ...

wooooooooooo hoooooooooooo

fly

[Patsy Stone]

319. Bee-you-ti-ful!

[wordpix2]

269. Definitely time to PARTAY!!!! Ya-HOOOOOOO. Heads & brains are rolling

[bleever]

396. Hey, here's a bunch of glasses I want to clink.

[Donailin]

270. No one else is touching this story, but why?

not even repeating on their own blogs, except dailykos where it has been diaried, but no one is leading with it. Same thing with yesterdays article by Leopold.


Huffington Post isn't touching this either, nor BuzzFlash, nor Drudge (which necessarily doesn't mean a thing.)

But none of the major lefty blogs are going with this. Exclusive or not, this would have spread like wildfire and repeated and analyzed unless there was a huge amount of skepticism and caution surrounding Leopold or his sources.

I want to believe DESPARATELY, but this is extremely different from the Libby indictment when it seemed to explode everywhere that Thursday night last October.

What gives here?

[malaise]

275. Why is Rove no longer speaking

on the economy on Monday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Donailin]

277. just found the same at Kos, thanks!

Here's a curious clue (12+ / 0-)
Recommended by:pontificator, gorlim, cookiesandmilk, highacidity, badlands, mayan, julied, Scout Finch, lmllebrown, michele2, nieman, Cory Bantic
as to whether the ax will be dropped really soon.

Yesterday on the Breaking: Rove To Be Indicted diary, I made a comment about a scheduled speech that Rove was to make to the The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) on Monday, May 15, 2006.

So, out of curiousity I just went to the AEI and there is no scheduled event for Monday, May 15th on any of their pages that I could find.

I guess Rove called them to say he was going to be busy getting some affairs in order, so he needed to cancel.

:::snicker, snicker:::

But still. . I've seen this people take down Dan Rather with my own eyes. My experience is to see the second source

[Bumblebee]

280. This just appeared on Google News but it's the same source

http://www.newshounds.us/2006/05/13/karl_rove_indicted_...

[MoonRiver]

316. Buzzflash has a link to the Truthout article.

Says it's unconfirmed, but still posts it:
http://www.buzzflash.com/

[opihimoimoi]

273. Dammit, where are those BELL RINGERS when ya really need um???

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[Scooter24]

279. lol...

My sentiments exactly!

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[Arkham House]

276. This is quite astonishingly good news...

...but still only the beginning. I want Cheney and Bush frogmarched...the real perpetrators of this treason...

[LSK]

278. nothing in the MSM yet, so truthout officially broke it

Remember where you heard it 1st in the next week. Thanks Will.

[file83]

283. HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!!!!

[bdamomma]

287. nothing about Rove on Raw Story.com

http://www.rawstory.com/

[Babel_17]

289. Pinch me (I must be dreaming)

Can it truly be time to break out the dancing villager smilies?

Many, many thanks for the heads-up.

May our great nation finally awaken from this Roveian orchestrated nightmare.

[Quakerfriend]

290. Love you Will and Jason, too!

I'm hoping that this will finally lead to the colapse of this house of cards!!

[opihimoimoi]

294. The House is coming DOWN.............Pubs reduced to Silence of the Lambs

Pubs busy thinking of Talking Points...how to spin it....Blame Clinton or that girl in Aruba

[Alamom]

291. Wow....is all I can say. I can hardly breath.Thanx for the post.

It was a total crap day until just now.....

[kpete]

293. a little tidbit...

Rove’s speech at the AEI has disappeared from the Coming Events section at AEI’s website.

http://www.aei.org/events/filter.all/events.asp

Something may be coming down the pike in the next week.

[Epiphany4z]

296. well this explains the speech for

Monday night...somebody is trying to deflect a wee bit of attention from the Rove story....do you think he will actually use the national gaurd for this?

[Roon]

300. OMG!!!11!!! THIS IS HUGH!!!111!!!!!ONE

I'M SERIES!!!!

:snicker:....i've always wanted to post that!

[KeepItReal]

305. Glad you got the chance to!!

[Coes]

420. love that smiley

[Roon]

448. Thanks!

[caligirl]

301. Another comment at Kos, Bush speaks from the oval office Monday night

What do you want to bet that THIS is... (93+ / 0-)



...what Bush's Monday night television address from the Oval Office is really about.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/13/172619/697

[Botany]

302. Yes!

[Radio_Guy]

303. I bought the champagne

It is on ice as I speak. Sipping a Budweiser in pre-celebration of the indictment. Monday when Rove is indicted, I open the bubbly. However, I'm saving the best stuff, Laurent-Perrier Grande Siècle, for when Bush is led away from the White House in handcuff. That just may happen by the end of the year the way things are going.

[Iniquitous Bunny]

304. Sweet!

Let's hope justice continues.

[Patrick J Fitzgerald]

310. Jason Leopold Deserves A Pulitzer

His stories have always been accurate, so much so, that people are blind to the truth.

Let me just say that I have never been known as one who spills my candy in the lobby, but Friday was a very long day AND Karl is guilty as sin AND this grand jury hates evil doers as much as I do - so you can draw your own conclusions! Please allow me to go back to enjoying my romantic picnic.

Have a great weekend.

http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com

[Ladyhawk]

336. Glad someone could drag out their old sock puppet. ;)

God, I hope this is true. I am celebrating prematurely. Usually, I like to have some confirmation from another source.

[DeBunk]

341. Me too!

This would be an awfully convenient way for them to knock the wind out of us.

Picture my scenario:

Rove's lawyer leaks this knowing that the opposite is going to happen. Then the right wing pricks will be beating us over the head with it all week. That will give them some time and cover.

[Justice]

312. When story was first posted on Truthout, you could post comments

but now you cannot - why is that?

[Kip Humphrey]

314. The ARCHITECT of stolen elections that brought us fascism is GOING DOWN!!!

Fitzgerald is an American Hero.

[PatrioticLeftie]

318. YES!

We may be getting America back!

[Robbie Michaels]

320. Let freedom ring

This is awesome!

[Catherine Vincent]

321. The month of May is turning out to be so Sweet!!

Things are good!!

[DeBunk]

322. This is the exact same rumor that we got last year

Don't get your hopes up folks.

Remember this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/5/154517/6712

[Justice]

324. that 2005 piece was a will be piece, this new piece is a has been indicted

big difference.

[DeBunk]

325. Who's the source? It's Luskin?

He's been the source all along. I'm not saying this is true or isn't. But, I'm not buying in yet.

[robbedvoter]

326. His office, Rove's - Turd Blossom made so many friends - anyone

would be happy to return the favor. I trust Leopold.

[DeBunk]

330. I'm very uneasy about this

But, I am really hoping this is true. I want to believe it, that's for sure.

I just don't want to be let down.

[DeBunk]

340. Why hasn't C&L, Rawstory, and Kos picked this up?

[lala_rawraw]

342. JB and I were at the beach

and just got back to my place.

[Catherine Vincent]

345. Oh really now?

[lala_rawraw]

362. yeah and a DU woman met us for dinner

I won't say who, she is very private

[Jim Sagle]

329. KNR 166!

[LeahD]

332. Monday can't come too soon! k & r

[Digit]

333. K&R 169

Whoo Hooo!

[stevenleser]

334. If you want a big laugh, see the Freeper denial on this...

...it ain't just a river in Egypt---> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1631853/posts

[Roon]

447. Fitz need to be removed, he's out of control.

[bluecrush]

335. Close your eyes

and visualize Karl Rove in handcuffs.

[ClayZ]

338. WHOO HOOOO!

Whoooo FUCKING HOOOOOO!!!!!


OH Yeah BABY!!!!!

[dennis00]

339. alerting the local media

I just spoke to a person at the Dayton Daily News. She got all exited about the news but says they can't use it till it comes over the AP wire. Can't use stories right off the net. She is going to e-mail DDN's person in DC to go by Rove's house to see what's happening. Maybe Monday something will be in the paper.

[Hepburn]

343. Could Rove have been indicted and then copped a plea...

...and that is why he was given 24 hours to get his affairs in order? It seems that this could fit what is going on as well since the time reported that Fitz spent with Rove's attys was 15 hours.

Just a thought....

[Garbo 2004]

366. I recall reading somewhere that sometimes a sealed indictment is used as a

last opportunity to get someone to cop a plea before the indictment goes public. (I can't cite a source at the moment and the attorneys on board can address that. But please be kind. I bruise easily. lol.)

Today's article doesn't state that the indictment was sealed but Leopold's Friday article stated that the indictment would be sealed. No explanation why it would be sealed, but that's what the article said, FWIW.

TalkLeft (Jeralyn Merritt) speculates that the 15 hours were spent trying to reach a plea agreement and then that the 24 hours notice was given when the talks failed to reach a deal. http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

Regardless of the merits of Leopold's sources and the info they've provided, it seems today's article was rushed to print (so to speak) and could have been clearer. JMO.

[keopeli]

344. Kudos to TruthOut! Demand the MSM recognize TruthOut.org broke the story.

Journal Entry

The WH has complete control of all media, conservative, liberal or corporate.

All of these people know EXACTLY what's going on, and they're sitting on the story - like they did with Bush before the 04 election.

Demand the truth!

[genieroze]

346. Good.

[DeBunk]

347. I really feel uneasy about his. I have a bad feeling. I hope I'm wrong

This would be an awfully convenient way for them to knock the wind out of us.

Picture my scenario:

Rove's lawyer leaks this knowing that the opposite is going to happen. Then the right wing pricks will be beating us over the head with it all week. That will give them some time and cover.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

356. You're wrong.

Now go back to bed.

[DeBunk]

427. Why hasn't C&L, Rawstory, and Kos picked this up?

[SPKrazy]

443. See #342 For Raw Story Explanation n/t

[carolinalady]

348. 15 hours??? Is that a typo? n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

360. Did it all have to take place in one day? Is that what Leopold wrote?

[tired of the right]

349. Imagine that!

Karl Rove lying!

[Aviation Pro]

351. PeeRepublic's denial thread here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1631871/posts

[0007]

353. How sweet it is!

[orleans]

358. ha! hopefully the end of this bushit reign is near! n/t

[wizdum]

359. My heart is suddenly lighter at this news. I feel a weight being lifted

...off my shoulders. There are tears in my eyes, and this news is deeply satisfying in a way that is indescrible. May Rove be buried in legal fees, rot in prison, and become an inmates poke. And I want all the gory details.

Thanks William and Skinner for breaking the important news.

[Lorien]

361. Repeat after me: it's not the treason; it's the LYING about the treason!!

[pola]

363. YIPPEEEEEEEEE!

[realFedUp]

364. Why isn't this being reported anywhere else?

the Sunday page of the nytimes doesn't have
it one it. Looking like a Twilight Zone outside
of what we've usually experienced.

[newsguyatl]

365. no one else can confirm

not sure of truthout's sources, but they must have damned good ones.

[realFedUp]

368. it's a bad situation when we're getting our news from underground

I depend on the underground news, but it's still
a cold reminder that we're living in difficult times.

[RagAss]

376. maybe because it's not news.....it may not have happened...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

414. Incredible.

[Barrett808]

428. Bob Cesca: Truthout Reporting That Karl Rove Was Indicted

I haven't been able to find additional confirmation of this, but Jason Leopold at Truthout is reporting that Karl Rove was indicted yesterday on charges of perjury and lying to investigators.

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove. During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning."

So that pretty much caps off a stellar week for the Bush administration. And the president is going to be speaking about -- what was that? -- immigration? That's rich.

...

UPDATE: I want to reiterate that I haven't seen any additional confirmation of Leopold's story. It's now been more than five hours since the Truthout dispatch went out. But if Leopold's story is accurate, well then... cool.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060514/cm_huffpost/0...

[sheelz]

379. "Is There Anybody Out There?"

PINK FLOYD LYRICS

"Is There Anybody Out There?"

Is there anybody out there?
Is there anybody out there?
Is there anybody out there?
Is there anybody out there?



I'd say it's getting spooky...

[Canuckistanian]

369. (pant, pant) I'm late! Is the party over?

Rove! Gone!



Too good to be true! Pinch me! No, wait, shoot me in the face!

[bonemachine]

373. Happy Birthday To Me

What a great fucking birthday present.

[fed-up]

377. 183 VOTES FOR GREATEST!!! Thanks Jason and Will!!!! n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

378. From now on, I'm calling you "Scoop"

Nice work, guys!!!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

381. I know it's May and all.... but

I might get the Christmas tree out of the basement and
put it in the living room and decorate it.

Oh I hope it really happens.

Now if this can go off without a hitch,
and without shrub attacking Iran.

[populistdriven]

425. LOL!!

[wake.up.america]

386. I am going to wait and hope this is true. No sense of losing credibility.

[Clarkie1]

387. This sounds so specific it's hard to imagine it's a false report. n/t

[stevietheman]

390. Believe it or not, this indictment might be the least of...

the shit hitting the fan next week. More NSA revelations, for example, will have the country reeling.

[althecat]

392. Jason Leopold.... you are truly a marvel... Truthout you rock...

My hat is off to you all.

Jason, you little beauty. You have consistently made the MSM look like the slugs that they are.

Truthout. Your decision to get Jason to report this story in depth has paid off in spades.

Together you have proved the enormous worth of independent media.

al

[upi402]

403. Yes!

[greiner3]

424. 9:45 am Sunday May 14, 2006;

No news, tv or internet, about rove entering 'charged but not convicted' land yet. I admit I lost sleep last night anticipating the official announcement. I can wait.

I will break down and watch matthews who is on in 10 minutes in my time zone for any mention about the news. Screw him though!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

442. Did you read the Truthout article? What did it say about when...

...this would become public?

[Harper_is_Bush]

452. Instead of being a jerk about it, why not just tell him?

You need to curb your hostility towards your fellow DU'ers.

[zann725]

426. Go Fitz, go! Let's hear it for the Man!

What's that I hear...the sound of deck chairs feverishly scraping around on the Titanic?

[grateful581]

429. Dammit i need another source

Hopefully the mainstream media runs with it before bushes "immigration" speech.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

440. Don't like the sources Truthout is using? Go get one for yourself.

[grateful581]

446. WTF

Don't get me wrong. Congrats to truthout for breaking the story and in no way am I calling them liars. I enjoy their journalism every day
On the other hand, I like to have more then one source on the story.
It's called conformation.

[Harper_is_Bush]

451. Don't worry about it.

that is a well-spring of hostility. Nothing personal.

[arwalden]

465. Oh, Nice. Really Nice.

[savemefromdumbya]

431. Well? What's news?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

441. Did you read the Truthout article? What did it say about when....

...this would become public?

[Patrick J Fitzgerald]

432. I will bring Dick Cheney to his knees...

http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com

[Patrick J Fitzgerald]

434. Bumper Stickers...

I cull from my email weekly - I bequeath them to you.







http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/espionage_and_intelligen...





















I am kind of fond of the "Fitz and Spitz" one!

http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com

[robertpaulsen]

433. Kick this to the top!

[Deb]

439. WOWZA!!!!

What a great way to break in my new hard drive.

Smells like a Top Ten,

It's raining All The pResidents Men....

Thanks Will!

[BlooInBloo]

444. LOL - Talk about hanging one's career on ONE story....

... depending on which way this turns out...

There are only so many "stays of decision" that maneuvers like "depends on what the meaning of 24 hours is" will get get you...

Ballsy!

[thatsrightimirish]

445. nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey,

GOODBYE!

[genieroze]

450. We may have been Roved.

If this isn't true, the guy who wrote this better post who his sources were.

[ObaMania]

454. So when will the M$M report on it? Olberman?? n/t

[Balbus]

455. This thread needs to go away.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

458. I disagree.

While Im still holding out hope that this pans out, we are all human and we all make mistakes.

To cover up those mistakes is a Bush move. We are better than that.

Besides, its well archived and to delete it would only increase any perceived damage.

[mdmc]

456. thanks for the courageous OP

peace and low stress

[KansDem]

457. Careful! This could be a Rove ploy...

Rove working it so he would be indicted could be a masterful plot by that genius Rove, the reason and outcome we won't know about till we see Rove laughing at us.

Or, it could be simply Rove's crimes catching up with him.

I vote the second one.

[myrna minx]

459. I take off for a long weekend and here

is the thread I've been waiting for for three years.

[snooper2]

460. still waiting...

day 3 ....

[Harper_is_Bush]

461. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When did this happen!!! THAT'S EXCELLENT!!

[Breeze54]

462. It hasn't yet. That was posted on the 13th.... n/t

[Harper_is_Bush]

469. Oh. Well, SHEEEEEEEEET!

24 BUSINESS HOURS UP TOMORROW NIGHT!

[Bluebear]

475. OK THAT was funny!

[snooper2]

463. It happened three days ago...

In DU land, a place far far away...

[theboss]

464. It's Tuesday afternoon...

Do you know where your indictment is?

[mdmc]

467. time alone, time will tell

[truebrit71]

466. NICE FANTASY...NOW BACK TO REALITY....

Karl Rove has just re-painted the entire left-wing blogosphere as a bunch of know-nothing bullshit artists that let their hate of a great man, get in the way of the fact that George W. Bush is one of the greatest Presidents in this country's history....

Fellas, (and ladies)

Keep your noses clean and your powder dry....the indictments will come when they come...

[opihimoimoi]

468. Dammm, I wuz on the Wall ready to FIRE

[snooper2]

470. Day 4

Do you know where your indictment is?

[IndianaGreen]

471. Perhaps TruthOut doesn't believe in retractions

The grand jury is meeting today, and perhaps on Friday. If an indictment is returned today, Jason Leopold's legion of fans will say that he was right all along and that TruthOut beat the MSM to the story. If no indictment is returned today, they will say that Fritz is giving Rove time to settle his affairs.

Now, as to Leopold's plagiarism story...

[arwalden]

473. Maybe Leopold Could Join Forces With Sylvia Browne?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

474. Let's visit "settle his affairs". That makes no sense unless he would be

hauled off to jail or prison immediately. Rove will have enough time to "settle his affairs" up to and through the trial.

Meanwhile, even if he had to "settle his affairs" today, he's going to be on Capital Hill arm twisting for the Shrub's immigration plan.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[lonestarnot]

472. Woodamnwhooo again just in case!

[meisje]

476. Again? Dude is in some deep shit

[snooper2]

477. Day 5

And the saga continues......who will win, Rove, or Truthout? Find out on next weeks edition of, INDICTED!

[Skinner]

478. Locking

Continue discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...