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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:58 PM
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KARL ROVE HAS BEEN INDICTED.
For those who have been waiting for this, here it is. For those who still doubt, well, I guess this is the big throwdown. We are reporting this has happened, we have checked and re-checked our sources. Truthout is breaking this first.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml

Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report

Saturday 13 May 2006

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.

During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.

Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, did not return a call for comment. Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove, which include perjury and lying to investigators about how and when Rove discovered that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert CIA operative and whether he shared that information with reporters, sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said.

It was still unknown Saturday whether Fitzgerald charged Rove with a more serious obstruction of justice charge. Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators.

An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown. Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the special prosecutor was unavailable for comment. In the past, Samborn said he could not comment on the case.

The grand jury hearing evidence in the Plame Wilson case met Friday on other matters while Fitzgerald spent the entire day at Luskin's office. The meeting was a closely guarded secret and seems to have taken place without the knowledge of the media.

...more...
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:59 PM
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1. Frog march the crook out of the White House....
as Joe Wilson would say...
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:17 PM
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78. ... and film it in HD
I'll buy the video.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:35 PM
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119. I'll write the musical score for it.
Daaaaayyyyyummmm! Georgie is going to look back with nostalgia on his 29% approval. W, enjoy it while you can, shithead, it's about to plummet again.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #119
206. And if it has lyrics, I'll sing it! :) n/t
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:39 PM
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209. Sorry, I can't write lyrics, but you might like to hum this one:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:48 PM
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220. My husband just informed me there IS champagne in the house and
it will soon be put on ice. Just like kkkarl.

I'm a BIG admirer of Jason Leopold's work. He just might be THE best investigative reporter in Washington at the moment. Oh yes, and I will be singing and dancing, too. But I already have my song:

"Na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, hey-hey-hey, GOO-OOD BYE!"

Hell, I'm already humming that one...

Thanks for posting this, Will! Cheers! And yes, you have to check your source(s) on this one, and I'm glad it's plural. I'm glad it's noted in the story that this is pegged to half a dozen White House people and a couple more besides. Attribution, always! You guys are TRUE pros. You put the "big leaguers" to absolute shame. They should be paying you and Jason and Marc Ash the big bucks that the katie courics and diane sawyers and tim russerts and bob woodwards get. I suspect that while they're all in make-up, or rushing to those high-level cocktail parties to rub elbows with the big shots in DC so they can brag about their precious access, outsiders like you guys are busy working and getting the actual job done.

When we toast this, I will also be lifting my glass to you guys.

:headbang:


:toast:
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #220
242. "On ice" - LOL
Edited on Sat May-13-06 06:03 PM by electropop
And you're right, while the fancy high-paid "journalists" are sitting around on their access, Will, Jason, and a few others are doing their jobs for them.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #220
285. We too have champaign in the house, but thank for the
background music. Na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, hey-hey-hey, GOO-OOD BYE!

Me, tomorrow. :hangover:
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #220
437. Some interesting comments here.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #209
221. I'll see--er, hear--your digital music and raise you an Italian aria.
http://tinyurl.com/c82hk <---Ladyhawk sings "Star Vicino" :D

I'm humming along with your link...but it will take awhile to learn. ;)
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #221
238. Brava, brava!
You have a lovely voice, and from what I could gather at your site, a wicked sense of humor! Is there a home page? I couldn't seem to find one.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #238
292. Sorry, no home page. ;)
I used to have one, but I let it get very, very outdated and finally pulled it. I keep threatening to make a new one, but so far my threats are hollow. :)

PM me so we don't hog the Rove/Fitz thread...I'd like to discuss digital music with you. :)
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:26 AM
Response to Reply #119
391. Henry Mancini already beat you to it. The Elephant March.
The song repeats itself a lot and can be annoying. But maybe I wouldn't get tired of watching a lot of White House elephants doing the walk of shame.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #1
268. We will never see that visual, but nice to imagine.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:59 PM
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2. Right-O Willliam!
:)
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:59 PM
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3. HOT DAMN!
:toast:
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:00 PM
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4. Yay, YayYayYayYay I so needed to hear this good news
all right!
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:00 PM
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5. Geez, William, Just when I was starting to breath normally again
Good work. Jason and Truthout and to you too Will.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:01 PM
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6. Thanks for everything Will & Truthout!
K&R :kick:
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:01 PM
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15 hours?! Is this a typo?
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:09 PM
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44. That's an awful long time
I'm thinking the same thing.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:14 PM
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62. Either a typo or a cumulative figure.
15 hours in one day.. no way. But cumulatively since last October, sure.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #62
121. It took 15 hours just to list all the charges.
Or everything so far, anyway. ;-)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:50 PM
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147. Was it a "half a day Friday," "about 15 hours" or "the entire day"?
Edited on Sat May-13-06 04:52 PM by TahitiNut
All three phrases are used in the first six paragraphs. :shrug:


"... Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs ..."
"... Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours ..."
"... Fitzgerald spent the entire day (Friday) at Luskin's office."
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #147
177. Half a work day for Fitz, full one for Rove's lawyers
and a month for bush all = 15 hours work ;)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:01 PM
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7. The radical right, the propaganda, the lies, the spying, the deception....
is over.


Their ideology has failed not only themselves but their nation.


We have overcome.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #7
284. They've been around a lot longer than Karl Rove
And, unfortunately, they will be around longer than him in the future. What happens if the radical right actually gets somebody competent in there?



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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #284
288. Are you implying Rove wasn't competent? How do you explain...
taking a miserable failure like GW and turning him into Gov. of TX and then a two-term President of the US?

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #288
308. I had meant Bush
Imagine if they had somebody more competent as president than Bush, or Reagan before him?

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #308
311. Ah, well, in the news of late I think we're seeing more and more that DICK
is the one behind pretty much everything.
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darkmaestro019 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #284
389. Just IMO, anyone smart enough to be competent would be TOO
smart to be radical right. ; )
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:16 AM
Response to Reply #7
416. Don't count your chickens yet
Even if he has been indicted, he's not been convicted.

And do NOT discount this crowd to do ANYTHING to stay in power.

It's not over yet
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #416
423. In order for them to stay in power, they will have to get more radical
and that will turn off even more people.

The only ones left supporting this administration are the batshit insane people we hear on WJ on C-SPAN in the morning and those still posting at freeperville.

Extremism has never been an acceptable form of politics at the polls.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:01 PM
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8. I'm preparing my Fitzgiving Feast...
Hot damn!!!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #8
66. One hell of a great Mother Day for Valerie!
There is justice....BUT ohhhhhhhh, it takes so long.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:01 PM
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9. time to ice down that 12 pack
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #9
46. I just called my husband and told him to bring home an ice-cold
six-pack. Yeah, we are going to party! Thanks for the great investigating Will.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #46
223. Just put two Coronas in the freezer. Gonna give em 20minutes.
.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:01 PM
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10. Thank heaven for little girls...
Thank heaven for little girls
for little girls get bigger every day!

Thank heaven for little girls
they grow up in the most delightful way!

Those little eyes so helpless and appealing
one day will flash and send you crashin' thru the ceilin'

Thank heaven for little girls
thank heaven for them all,
no matter where no matter who
for without them, what would little boys do?

Thank heaven... thank heaven...
Thank heaven for little girls!


:rofl:
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:01 PM
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11. Is it finally Fitzmas now?!?!?
Edited on Sat May-13-06 04:01 PM by libnnc
Huh, Daddy?!?! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:02 PM
Response to Original message
12. Oh yeah baby..... even my cereal is gettin' pretty
excited....
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:02 PM
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13. Just in time for Mother's Day
Happy Mother's Day Valerie Plame
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:02 PM
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14. If they torture him for the truth, would he like the policy?
Perhaps they should try.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #14
31. sweetheart, our system can be plodding but this is good news...
:hi:
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #31
41. What a great moment
i don't know the thing for that waving smiley, so
:waving smiley: :toast:

perhaps they could use rove to test a:
:nuke:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #41
67. cheers friend, may see you over in your 'postmodernism' thread...
before too long :toast: it's just that i remain unconvinced america follows any tract of thought along those lines but for the ability; nay the creed, to remain random-applicable at a moments notice = past/present, or for that matter--->future...it's the 'freedom & liberty thing' gone wild :-)
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #41
176. FYI, it's the word "hi" bracketed by colons, not quotation marks. :) n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #14
328. I say off to a military tribunal!
Electrodes, check, hood, check, dogs on leashes, check....
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:02 PM
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15. As much as I like Truthout, I want to wait for the official announcement
I want to wait for the official announcement from the prosecutor's office. This is huge news and (possible) news that is this good should be treated with caution. I would hate to be door slammed on something like this.

Let me repeat that I appreciate Truthout's fine work over the years.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:09 PM
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nothing to add except want to say I am with you on this.
waiting to celebrate. And thank you truthout.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:26 PM
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100. guess I am ambivilant--drats. But thanks for your work will.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:02 PM
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16. 24 hours from yesterday's meeting, so that means a frog march today?
Thanks Will and Truthout.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #16
156. a professional courtesy perhaps.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:02 PM
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17. Holy Shit!!!!!!
You made my day... hell you made my whole week....month....year!!!!!!!!!!
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:03 PM
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18. Pitt is da' man! My heart skipped a beat I swear. nt
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:03 PM
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19. Ah...Good times. nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:03 PM
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20. If verified, this is gonna totally screw up Monkey's Monday Night TV show
He's supposed to go on the tube at eight on Monday (fuck up Olbermann, the bastard) to give us the scoop on his "handlin' the Messicans" strategery.

Wonder how that will play if Fitz announces on Monday?????
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:14 PM
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63. Fitz press conference on Monday? OMG, that would be great.
Can't you picture * stammering and hula-jawing all over the place.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #20
85. You've got this one backwards
The Chimpy poo fling wingding for Monday night is supposed to deflect from this. As usual, these days, it will not work. Their poor, tired, battle plan is, well, tiring and quite poor.

If it weren't for Bunker Buster Nukes and Diebold, I would be one of the happiest girls alive. That said, despite a tummy virus, I'm feeling pretty okay right about now.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #85
331. AHAHAHA!
The Poo Fling Wingding!

BWAHAHAHA! Stop it, you! That's just too damn funny!

:rofl:

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #85
375. If they thought a "let's fix the Messican problem, heh, heh" speech
...could deflect from the indictment of the Architect, they're insane. Stupid. Totally out of touch. He could actually come up with a BRILLIANT, equitable, agreeable-to-all plan to resolve the undocumented worker matter (we won't hold our breath, though) and it would be BURIED under any Fitzgerald announcement.

About the only thing that might take the edge off is if he announced that his crack team of scientists discovered a way to turn seawater into gasoline...and I don't think that's in the cards!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:03 PM
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21. And so this is Fitzmas!
p.s. I am now officially scared shitless about what happens next.

p.p.s thanks Will for having a very thick skin and sticking with DU.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #21
126. Between this
the markets, the dollar and gold by the end of next week we're probably going to think a tsunami hit us.

The fun part is all the people who don't have a clue what's coming. I will enjoy their disappointment.




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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:03 PM
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22. And the Chimp's immigration speech Mon. nite is a ploy
to change the subject....
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:03 PM
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23. I want sobbing
Lol

march him out!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:03 PM
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24. Oh my goodness, it's taken so damn long. So very damn long. Now
let's get the rest of them for treason.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:04 PM
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25. And Bush promptly calls out the National Guard n/t
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:04 PM
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26. He's gonna lose his bra-a-a-a-in!
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:04 PM
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27. I love you and Jason
I am SO very happy today!!!!
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:04 PM
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28. There is a GOD.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:04 PM
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29. Do such charges eliminate him as the slice and dice
henchman of the GOP this election cycle? It should preclude him from access to certain circles of power, shouldn't it?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:07 PM
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39. I figure that it will at least absorb lots of his time
And hopefully he'll lose his edge.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #29
112. Rove will just switch to tele-commuting. The indictment isn't much
of a hurdle.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:42 PM
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133. Karl's going to be too busy
from now on trying to keep his ass out of jail, to have much time for anything else.


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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:04 PM
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30. Hot-diggedy damn! Not only is Rove gone, but you showed the MSM
what for! Woohoo!
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:09 PM
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47. Where's he gone to?
Directing the smears & tactics from an office in his home in DC?
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:38 PM
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125. He might still be pulling some strings, but they won't have his
undivided attention anymore. Plus, if he has half a brain, he'll want to be careful about what he does for a while.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:01 PM
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237. Exactly. Yes, he'll still be working on his "priorities," but I bet there
will be some wind taken out of his sails by this. He WILL have to spend some of that time and energy with his own lawyers, trying to save his own ass. He can't just focus exclusively on the campaigns, much as he'd like to. This will be a SERIOUS distraction, and probably also, headlines for weeks. Everybody other than Jason Leopold will have to try everything they can think of to advance the story for their own network/paper/show/whatever. The bushies may also find themselves diverting a lot of legal muscle over to kkkarl's cause, and perhaps also, at the expense of others (like maybe libby) and others of their friends who need legal assistance. He himself will become priority one - everything will become re-geared towards saving kkkarl. He will not be operating at full strength, even if bushco sends in lots of legal reinforcements. The kkkarl team will still need kkkarl's personal participation to press their case. So, no matter how much he wants to focus singlemindedly on swiftboating Democrats for November, he's gonna have to divert at least some of his attention to his own defense. Even though we can also expect an inevitable presidential pardon for him. I doubt he'll ever see the inside of a jail cell. But one can certainly hope...
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:05 PM
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32. 20th recommendation.
Pass the champagne.

:patriot:
:party:
:toast:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:00 PM
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162. 95th recommendation.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #162
241. 130th recommendation!
I'll see your Dom Perignon and raise you two Mum Cordon Rouges.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:07 PM
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286. 147th recommendation!
I'm still just kinda numb right now. God Friggin Dayum!
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:53 PM
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370. 181 :-)
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:31 AM
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419. it's now at 191
but I won't make it 192, I want more sources
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 05:22 AM
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449. Yes the numbers are impressive.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:05 PM
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33. HaHa again, IF, IF, IF, Bush ACCEPTS Rove's resignation BEFORE
the Novembe it will be a coup.

However, Rove has a spanking new multi-million dollar home in DC so I'm sure he'll be directing the usual republican election smearing, distorting & lying just as if he was doing it from his office at the White House.

Rove is their boy, who will do the dirty work for the republicans and the vindictive Rove enjoys every second doing it...Such as making sure electronic voting machines are ready to be manipulated in the certain precincts around the country where they are necessary to assure the republican majority in congress!!!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:16 PM
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73. You obviously don't understand what an indictment does to
a person's mental state! I DO! Not ME, thank God, but some people I've worked for. That indictment takes priority over EVERYTHING in their life!

Some in the Pub Party may still want his advice, but I really doubt his advice will be worth much anymore! There's also a reason for a lot of Pubs to want to put as much distance between THEM, Rove and the WH!

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:33 PM
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114. you are exactly right
karl`s life from now on will revolve around this indictment. it will consume his every minute of the day until the final verdict is in. he will lay awake at night,he will become ill,and nothing in his life will ever be the same...like robert johnson wrote "And the days keeps on worrying' me--there's a hell hound on my trail" that hell hound is mr fitzgerald
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:35 PM
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200. Is Karl enough of a sociopath / egomaniac that it won't bother him much?
I know he won't feel guilty for a second, but will his ego tell him he has nothing to fear? If so, he could remain a dire threat.

Sort of off-topic: On the Psychology of Legal Problems

I've been sued twice, once by a vindictive bastard who didn't bother showing up to court. I worked hard putting together a package to defeat him and should have counter-sued. I was also sued for an automobile accident I caused. I scraped an elderly couple's rear right fender while trying to avoid rear-ending them. Yeah, it was a bad place in the road, should have had a turn lane, blah blah blah, but it was my fault. What wasn't my fault were all the medical problems the couple developed after the accident, including the man's inability to get it up for his wife. They tried to sue me for $350,000, $100,000 of which had to do with their loss of a sex life. I kid you not. I put a three foot shallow scrape on their bumper. We all drove away after the cops came. I wasn't even issued a ticket. Later I was blamed for the couple's terrible sex life. Damn, who can I sue for my lousy sex life?

I do have a conscience, a very tender one, and despite the fact that I was completely in the right in one case and probably being used to collect money in the other case, I felt terrible about the impending court dates, the hearings, the depositions, everything. I worried that some of the couple's complaints might be legitimate, yet I felt bitter that they were obviously using me to milk money from the system. Some of the angst linked back to my childhood. I spent over a year in court testifying about sex crimes committed against me. As you can imagine, I hate court and courtrooms. Also, seeing the word "defendant" next to my name seemed to imply I was some kind of monster.

I obsessed over those court cases. They consumed nearly every waking thought and caused me untold emotional distress.

Unfortunately, I don't think Rove has a very well developed superego...if he has one at all. But he is a selfish bastard and should worry about jail time unless he has the world's biggest ego (a possibility) or knows something we don't (another, very horrible possibility).

What do you think? Will this distract Rove at all?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:50 PM
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225. But you had one big advantage over Rove. You were innocent!
It's a whole other story when someone is guilty and was trying everything to keep it quiet, but gets found out! I don't think Rove's ego or arrogance will matter this time. This time it's HIS ASS! Nope, this will consume his every waking moment, and there will be many, because sleeping will be difficult!
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:36 PM
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297. His doc will up the Ambien. :)
If this puts Rove out of action, it will help a lot.

Like I said in the other response, I just want these criminals acknowledged as such and put in a place where they can no longer harm the rest of us. Considering how the Bush Crime Family has evaded time and again, I am worried that we may be screwed. I don't want it to take a major upheaval, but considering how dense some of our fellow Americans are, that may be the only thing that works. :shrug:
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:08 PM
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251. I don't think Rover lost all that weight because he was inspired by
Kirstie Alley.

Not that the guy has a conscience about his actions but he certainly cares about his own ass and personal circumstances.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #251
295. I hope he's distracted enough to allow the Bush admin to continue to
implode.

I want these criminals out of power NOW. It's probably too much to ask, but I'd also like them tried for war crimes and sent to the Hague. Mostly I want them where they are in no position to hurt the rest of us anymore.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:08 PM
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250. Uh yeah... Did anyone notice, when he was finished testifying for the
FIFTH time, how much weight he's lost? I seriously doubt he was merely working toward bikini season. This IS big trouble if it's true and it WILL command a LOT of his attention. Besides, his troubles will all be endured under the glare of the lights of all that publicity and the news hounds who will camp out on his front lawn and infringe upon his privacy and bother his wife and block his driveway and litter his yard and annoy his kid and his kid's friends. It won't be an easy thing to just go "drop by kkkarl's place" after hours anymore as I'm sure some pols have done routinely as they consult his wisdomship for their own careers. He thinks he lives in a fishbowl now? Wait til the indictment comes down. However, you can bet one other thing - I bet if he ever has hus mug shot taken, it'll be all upstanding and smiley like tom delay's was, so the opposition couldn't make much use of it.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:17 PM
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75. Don't think so. Rove will be in such a tizzy, that he won't be able
to concentrate on elections. He will be worried about JAIL.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #33
192. Would you want to be that repug candidate whose campaign
strategist is the INDICTED Karl Rove??? I think he becomes spoiled goods at this point. He is finished as a campaign criminal.
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:05 PM
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34. Good! It's about Damn time!!!
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:05 PM
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35. I bet the white house is really hot today
beware the frogs of may
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:53 PM
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317. If he's a frog of May am I allowed to enter him in this contest?
Calaveras County Fair Jumping Frog Jubilee



Or can Karl only "frog march" in May?
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:06 PM
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36. Well done Will!!! Thank you for the GREAT NEWS!
Happy happy joy joy...
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:06 PM
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37. Smiles HUGE .....
WONDERFUL ! ....

Thanks Will ...
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:06 PM
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38. Well, thanks.
:toast:
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:07 PM
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40. It is only fitting Rove's indictment step all over his boss's
press opportunity on Monday. Bush is going to have a hellacious week next week! The irony that Rove is causing his numbers to slide is BEYOND POETIC JUSTICE! :woohoo:

Congrats on the SCOOP!
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columbusdem Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:07 PM
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42. I pinched myself...
Edited on Sat May-13-06 04:09 PM by columbusdem
No, I'm still awake! What a glorious day it will be when the stench of Turd Blossom no longer hovers over the White House rose garden.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:08 PM
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43. OK - I'm breaking out the bubbly, the steaks and the
beer.

:party: :bounce: :toast: :woohoo: :woohoo: :toast: :bounce: :party:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:09 PM
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45. Did the media also look
under the Fitzmas tree?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:09 PM
Original message
Muthafucka KICK and IN YO' FACE DOUBTERS!!!!
Thank you VERY SINCERELY!!! :woohoo:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:34 PM
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199. WOW! That's some INCREDIBLE EXHUBERANCE!
:D....
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #199
208. Okay.., it's Saturday, & I've been drinking...
...but it seems like we're on the cusp of harmonic divergence! :toast: :beer: :woohoo:
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:09 PM
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48. !!!
:evilgrin: :hippie: :party: :toast: :bounce:
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:09 PM
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49. you better be right Will, otherwiise you are just a cruel, cruel man
But I'm going to assume you are so .............

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:





:party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party:
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:10 PM
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50. Really?
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

:toast:
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:10 PM
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51. DON'T PLAY WITH ME !!!!!
I Really want to BELIEVE!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

THANK YOU !!

Patrick Fitzgerald & all the True patriots at the DOJ!

Three Cheers!!! :toast: :toast: :toast:



:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:10 PM
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52. so how come CNN and CNN Headline News haven't said word one?
they're talking about a whole lot of stuff, like the weather, Mt. St. Helen's, NSA records, Moussaoui, but not a word since the top of the hour on this

anybody else find this peculiar?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:13 PM
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61. They don't have it yet
No one does. Until about twelve minutes ago. That's what happens when you have an exclusive.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #61
79. MAN, I hope you're right! should I go to the liquor store and get
a bottle of 25 year old scotch?

will there be widespread news by then?

thanks for all you do, and I'm hoping fervently that this redounds to the benefit of Leopold, for whom I hold much regard, and who's been taking heavy heat, as you're well aware

PLEASE let this happen soon....
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:18 PM
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80. William Pitt - you are the greatest! Scooping MSM...ha ha nt
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. Took a "little stroll" over to FR....nothing yet. Their heads will
explode! Can't wait.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:25 PM
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99. If you have an account
Give them a snippet and the Truthout URL. Don't just watch the shit, be a shit stirrer! It's for a good cause!
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #99
102. They kicked me off about 3 times. Wish someone else would do it.
Course I could delete my cookies.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #102
299. I've belonged to FR since 2003, so could probably pull it off, since I
have kept a low profile, except for the John Kerry swift boating. That's when I had to step up to the plate and everybody pretty much backed off, since I had the facts. I haven't posted there much since then. But I'd rather just observe the implosion when it happens. This will be a big one. :-)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #80
88. It wasn't me
It was Jason, and truthout. :)
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:23 PM
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93. Well thanks to Truthout and Jason (big kiss). nt
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #93
143. I'll second that kiss!
SMOOOOOCH!
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KAT119 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:35 PM
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201. I third the hugs & kisses galore to Jason, Truthout & dear William Pitt!!!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:39 PM
Original message
did you ever think you'd kiss Will Pitt? Hee hee!
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:55 PM
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371. what? hes cute n kissable!
no he is...oh yes he is.. :D
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #88
218. What's the traffic like on the story so far? Does other media contact TO?
Have they asked about the report?

I just want to hug someone!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #218
262. Yeah, Will - I'd like to know that, myself. Has anybody else seen this?
Surely some of 'em are wading through the net. Or perhaps somebody has messaged one or more of them about this. Word about this has to be getting out pretty quickly. Any reaction yet from any mainstreamers, or do they still roll their eyeballs at outfits like Truthout?
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #88
254. I'll shake your hand Will. But that's it!
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:33 AM
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453. You came back!
:o
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #80
110. It doesn't take much to scoop them anymore.
Edited on Sat May-13-06 04:32 PM by Clark2008
I haven't reported in seven years and, in the time I've been gone, I've watched the corporate media turn into nothing but National Enquirer wannabes with a side of corporate-shilling mush.

BTW, I'm in no way disparaging Truthout by alleging it doesn't take much to scoop them anymore: it's just a fact. Most of the corporate media is chocked full of lazy slime these days.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #110
166. Clinky, darling!
:woohoo:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #166
231. Clinky!!
Martini, Pats?

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:59 PM
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234. Absolutely! Thanks!

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #110
264. Here, here. It's 10 years since I left the business. It's completely
deteriorated in that time. But as long as the White House has handouts to pass around, and there are lazy reporters more interested in not blowing their precious fucking access by doing a "Cincinatti rewrite" on it, or afraid of rattling somebody's cages in the executive suites, that's how it may stay. For now.

No disparaging of anyone from Cincinatti. I used to work with a guy who produced one of the local news shows. I wrote for it. He used to talk all the time about what he called the "Cincinatti rewrite" - in which you just regurgitate the press release or the A-wire (long writethru meant for newspapers, not for air). It was his nickname for lazy writing.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #61
94. And even if one of the morons at those "news" stations
reads truthout, they haven't received their GOP talking points yet, so no point in bringing it up.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #61
97. Someday, soon, maybe you and Jason will tell us how you did it.
Congratulations. THIS IS THE BEST NEWS IN A LONG TIME!!!! Thanks for doing this. :D :toast: :party:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #61
249. Of course, you guys probably won't be given credit by the MSM.
Time and time again I see stories broken first on the internet, only to watch the MSM pat each other on the back for "breaking" the news hours, days, weeks, even months later.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #61
367. I sure hope Leopold's sources prove to be reliable this time.
If not, you and Leopold have staked your reputation on a bad story and your many followers may cast a jaundiced eye towards future "scoops" you endorse.

If so, you'll hear nothing but praise from moi from now on.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #52
64. Uh...nobody around in WH to give them marching orders?
That's my guess.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #64
84. that's true. the thing is on vacation again


he may not want to surface for his little report on Monday
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #84
98. He is gonna be under seige in Camp David
Bet he wished he went to Crawford this weekend
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:11 PM
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53. KICKING THIS ONE! (Thanks, William Pitt!)
Best damned news in awhile.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:11 PM
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54. K & Friggin' R
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

Geeze, yesterday was Fitzmas and we didn't even know it! x(

But that's okay!

:party: :toast: :bounce: :party: :toast: :bounce: :party: :toast: :bounce: :party: :toast: :bounce:
:party: :toast: :bounce: :party: :toast: :bounce: :party: :toast: :bounce: :party: :toast: :bounce:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:28 PM
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265. Truly. Lordy, Lordy, tomorrow's Mother's Day, and then Tuesday is
my birthday. WHAT A WAY TO CELEBRATE?

YOWZA!!!


:headbang:

:party:

:toast:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:13 PM
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374. Tuesday ....
mine as well.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:21 PM
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435. Well Happy B-day
I still haven't cracked the bubbly, I am doing a little more checking - I just got here.

:)
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:36 PM
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438. Toast to you as well, H2O Man!
:toast:
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:12 PM
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55. Wonderful news.
I wonder if Tony Snow is regretting his decision to take the Press Secretary job? Things are going to get hot.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:29 PM
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106. Tony Snow is way too stupid and arrogant to regret his decision
But did you see that grin on Scottie's face on his last day at that podium? It was genuine and joyful. McClellen is happy to be out and his face shows that as clearly as his lying always did. He should not ever take up poker.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:12 PM
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56. Does that mean the frog march is today???
24 hours from Friday afternoon??

I am so confused! Do we break out the champagne today?

:shrug:

What a great Mother's Day present!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:40 PM
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271. Come to think of it, that 24-hour note is RAWTHER intriguing.
Considering how this bunch manipulates the news coverage, how conceivable might it be that this is actually happening, NOW? That kkkarl is cleaning out his desk NOW - on a Saturday of a Mother's Day weekend when the Friday night news dump has already come and gone and there won't be any coverage of anything til Monday and all the main camera crews are off for the weekend (as are most of the big name correspondents and anchors and ALL of the news/network brass) and you have skeleton crews on staff in most of the DC outlets, and the city's pretty dead and everybody's off at their beach houses and boats and golf courses til Monday? A savvy assignment editor might do well to assign some crew to birddog kkarl NOW, camp out across the street from his house and keep watch around the clock. That's what some of 'em did during Watergate. It may be going down even as we speak, so that it'll be a done deal by Monday when it's announced (or WHENEVER) and kkkarl will ALREADY have cleared out his office and departed, so nobody can get any pictures for the news shows. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they were smuggling him out the side door when everybody else is off duty for the weekend, so that when work resumes on Monday morning, he's long gone and safely out of range.

I'll BET that's what's happening.

I'll bet kkkarl rove sightings from here on will be VERY limited. Get him OUTTA there! Don't want the reminders out there on the evening news to distract everybody from the distractions WE'VE already arranged, do we?
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:12 PM
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57. PLEEEEASE let Fitz's press conference be Monday !!
I don't have to work and I can watch and savor ever delicious moment! :toast:

No wonder the Chimperor went away this weekend. Getting his meds adjusted and working on the mass mailing of talking points, no doubt! GIVE IT UP SMIRKY! We don't believe a word you or your talking heads say!

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:16 PM
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70. The Chimperor ALWAYS takes off...
Now we know why this "Prime-time" speech was announced, eh? Funny thing is...if Fitz holds a press conference on Monday- no one will give a rat's ass about his immigration bullshit. This announcement will trump EVERYTHING, IMO.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:28 PM
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266. Really?
You're imagining most people in this country know who Karl Rove is. I disagree.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:59 PM
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306. They will after this is announced. Former WH Deputy Chief of Staff.
Edited on Sat May-13-06 08:01 PM by 8_year_nightmare
They do know who's pResident & that this will be the second crook with a major position on Bush's WH staff to be indicted by a federal grand jury.

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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:22 PM
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91. Yeah, would love to see Fitzy's beautiful face and I know I will
love the delivery. Straight-forward, no emotion, no axe to grind. I LOVE it.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:12 PM
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58. Awesome!
Is Cheney next?

I'm like a drug addict now....I want more.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:38 PM
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124. If it looks like this will continue up the food chain
my prediction is that he will resign so that Chimpy can appoint a VP (McCain), then Chimpy will either resign before being impeached (more noble but unlikely - this creature is not noble) or after and will be pardoned as will Cheney et al., by the aforementioned VP who will become acting President for the remainder of the term. Acting President McCain will then have the incumbent advantage, probably the only Rethug on earth to be able to fish an advantage out of this mess. Anyone still confused by the turn around of McCain and the famous huggsys and cakes?

The names are different, but the story has a feel of deja vu to it, doesn't it?
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:39 PM
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315. tavalon, if the RNC contacts you for good ideas
please keep this one to yourself.If you have scoped this out as their strategy what should our next move be? You are amazing.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:19 PM
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352. Um,
I just told a group with 80,000 members. I doubt the RNC looks at it, but don't worry, I won't spill the beans to them. But, come on, this doesn't look like rocket science to me - those of us over the age of 40 have seen this already, different cast, pretty much same storyline.

Our next move? Who the hell knows?

My next move would be to cry. My next step after that would be to pray that McCain hasn't gone completely to the dark side but I'm not holding out a lot of hope there - more, I would hope that he would stand up to his puppet masters once he was in the Oval Office. He is, after all, a tad smarter than the Chimp and he's been seasoned by life in a way the Chimperor cannot even imagine. Sadly, though, he is smart enough to pardon all as ordered as he will be destroyed otherwise.

No good news here. I'm just hoping they're too stupid for this one. I mean, it's happened before. They aren't nearly as smart as we give them credit for and evil without smart is not well focused.

So, I remain hopeful that they will continue to chase their tails and continue to put their trust in Diebold, er, I mean God. And I hope no one lets the chimperor near the button - he's got way too itchy fingers. He wants to put the "nukular" hurt on Iran in a big way, and not just so he can be the "War Prez'dint" again and get to strut around in his flight suit.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:13 PM
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59. I will change my sig line
When a credible news source reports it!

:P
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:13 PM
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60. Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a man who I'm sure has made no enemies, haha. Right.

He's probably going to have to learn the fine "art" of looking back over his shoulder.

What a shame. :sarcasm: Couldn't happene to a nicer guy.


:applause:

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:15 PM
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65. I'm FINALLY opening up that bottle of champagne! freudenschade baby!
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:40 PM
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127. Schadenfreude. Tee hee. Have you been drinking already?
Got my Veuve Clicquot chilled and ready! Cheers, my friend!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:51 PM
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148. Oh good lord! LMAO!!! No, I've not broken out the bubbly yet!
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:15 PM
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68. karl "will immediately resign" once this is publicly announced!
"As TruthOut reported Friday evening, Rove told President Bush and Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, as well as a few other high level administration officials, that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him, according to sources."

:bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce:
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:16 PM
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69. I'm waiting - not holding my breath - for the conviction - I want.........
..... :applause: to see him in shackles entering prison. :bounce:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:16 PM
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71. WOW! Jason, you're famous! This marks a major change in news media.
Congratulations also to Will and to TruthOut!

This is history being reported in real time. What an amazing age we live in.

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #71
323. I found out the hard way I wasn't made for "interesting times."
Anyone else concur? This whole mess has made a wreck out of me.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:55 AM
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422. The last six years have been very difficult for me, too. But, I'm
Edited on Sun May-14-06 06:57 AM by leveymg
beginning to allow myself to believe that we're near the end of the long night.

Lately, I feel like a yoyo. :bounce: :D :hi:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:16 PM
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72. Holy shit!!
This is good news and hopefully fully confirms my feeling that Rove was indeed indicted already when the news was announced by you yesterday.

Woot!!
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:16 PM
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74. this is great news!!
Thank you for making a bad day sooooooooo much better!!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:17 PM
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76. KKKarl Rove Indicted.......Priceless
:rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot: :rofl: :patriot:
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The Revolution Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:17 PM
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77. Cool. K&R
All the crap Rove has pulled is finally catching up to him.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:16 PM
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181. YIPEE YIPEE YIPEE!!!!!
hip hip hooray, hip hip hooray, hip hip hooray!!!


YAYAYAYA!


check this out!


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable THE BEST IN ANTI-BUSH stickers & shirts
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RDANGELO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:19 PM
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81. One more notch up the food chain.
Ok junior, what did you know and when did you know it.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:19 PM
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82. And YOU told me to take a deep breath and take the weekend off!
THANKS for working the weekend, and giving us a heads up on the GREAT news!

Now, stop telling us to NOT CELEBRATE!
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:21 PM
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89. Good job Will
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:20 PM
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86. GREAT NEWS I WONDER IF THE BUSHENFURHER WILL MENTION IT IN HIS
SPEECH MONDAY.

Sorta gives a whole new twist to his speech on immigration doesn't it?
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:20 PM
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87. We've grown attached to the Turd Blossom graphic on the car.
I promised I would keep it on til Fitzmas, but I think I'll leave it up til he's formally sentenced.

It's been on there about a year and a half. Persistence pays :)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:54 PM
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232. Oi buddyhollysghost!
:hi: :hug: Sabe quem eu encontrei ontem? ;)



Ele estava aqui em NO ontem, na universidade perto da minha casa, pra fazer um discurso sobre nossa cultura! :D
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:17 PM
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350. E uma experiencia boa para o seu espirito
Estou contente que o meu prezado amigo fazer isto.

Nao ha nada de novo aqui :hi:

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:21 PM
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90. What's the 24 hours about?
Edited on Sat May-13-06 04:22 PM by Sparkly
What happens after that 24 hours expires?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:34 PM
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117. The public announcement I suspect. n/t
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:07 PM
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307. I think Rove has to turn himself in. n/t
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:23 PM
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92. OH. MY. GOD. !! Can't wait to tell my Repug Relatives and Friends!
Edited on Sat May-13-06 04:46 PM by Klimmer
Maybe now with the BCF and Neo-con Admin. imploding, we can maybe, just maybe, get our country back (if the bastards don't start WWIII or pull another 9-11).

And when we do, we will investigate every damn crime they ever committed: illegal pre-emptive war and profiteering, oil and energy monopoly and profiteering, MIHOP 9-11, Patriot Act, NSA domestic spying via phone/email/satellite imagery, election fraud and corruption, political assassinations all the way back to JFK, and so much more.

God, please make it come true. May your truth prevail, and all the criminals who are destroying this good Earth and our once great country rot in hell.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:08 PM
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327. It's my Republican mother's birthday.
I called her up to sing "Happy Birthday" to her--I'm a vocalist :blush:--and she asked me what I've been doing today.

"Followin' the news," I said casually. When I asked her what was going on, I told her an "alternative news source" was reporting that Karl Rove has been indicted. :) Hey, at least it will cause a little cognitive dissonance until she hears the "Karl is innocent" talking points. Probably she's already heard them, so this may not have fazed her. :shrug: I do hope she has a happy birthday, but I also wish she would let something into her brain besides Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al. It ain't never gonna happen though. :(
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:24 PM
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95. so rove`s attorneys or rove himself
told the whitehouse, then someone who was privey to this conversation revealed the information on the indictment. i wonder why?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:54 PM
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152. Rove has enemies within the White House...I'd say the primary...
...suspects are in the VP's camp. I think they believe that Rove gave them up, and they're getting even anyway they can.
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diamondsndust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:36 PM
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205. The answer to your question is easy....
"so rove`s attorneys or rove himself told the whitehouse, then someone who was privey to this conversation revealed the information on the indictment. i wonder why?"

Because it's just in their nature as lying, corrupt scumbags that they just can't help themselves from leaking stuff or doing something wrong, it's the only life they know.


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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:25 PM
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96. THANKS WILL!!!!
Perfect for my trip back to New Hampshire
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:26 PM
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101. That's awesome news!
My faith in America has been restored! This is a great day! I'm going to sit back and watch this story unfold... :popcorn:

I can't wait to see how the "liberal" media spins this one!!!
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:27 PM
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103. Do you suppose he'll smile for his mugshot?
ala the bugman. It feels like a great weight is lifting off my shoulders.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:28 PM
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104. You mean.......
the TRUTH is OUT? Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:29 PM
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105. Will, are you staking out the WH--is Karl moving boxes?

....During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:29 PM
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107. I think Rove gets 24 hours to arrange a plea bargain before indictment
Edited on Sat May-13-06 04:30 PM by wishlist
I believe if Rove does not desire to negotiate a plea agreement after being given 24 hours from notification of charges, Fitz can then present the judge with formal charges and make the public announcement.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:35 PM
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118. yes., you are right
and i`m sure that is what is being offered. roll over karl or you are going to jail...
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:32 PM
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196. These little technical details trip me up. I thought that once the GJ
voted to indict they moved with haste to a courtroom and handed up their indictment to the judge who then gets it recorded and swears out the arrest order, etc.

Is there a lawyer out there who can clear up the choreographic options?
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:09 PM
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253. I have my doubts that GJ has voted on the charges that Fitz is planning
It is possible that Fitz was notifying Rove's attorneys that he has decided to recommend that the GJ indict Rove on these charges and gave Rove 24 hours in case Rove wants to roll over. Then if Rove indicates no interest in a plea bargain, Fitz must meet with the GJ next week for them to vote to indict, indictment goes to judge and then Fitz will announce press conference for the next day.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:12 PM
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257. On the 16th Fitz is in court with a Libby pretrial issue.
I was thinking much of next week is gonna be tied up with that.
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:29 PM
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108. Meh...
If G. Gordon Liddy is any example, this treasonous bastard will have a book deal by the end of next year.
Perjury's nice (and obvious), but these people aren't just liars. They're traitors. You or I would've been lined up against the wall by now, not that we would ever stoop to their level.

They're not getting what they're due.
Frog march 'em, sure, but they should still keep digging. I'd say we have a cap of... ohhh... <consults Ken Starr's receipts>.. about 160 million taxpayer dollars and several more years, in all fairness. Keep it up, Fitz.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:34 PM
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115. Welcome to DU!
:toast:
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:30 PM
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109. Two words:
Fair Game

Valerie Plame

Joe Wilson
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:32 PM
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111. It's finally Fitzmas!!!!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:33 PM
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113. Ssssshweeeet
The Harder They Come, The Harder They Fall....One and All!
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:34 PM
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116. I shall wait
with guarded anticipation. :)

It's a sealed indictment right? No announcements until KKKarl turns himself in right?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:36 PM
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120. All I want for Fritzmas is indited Rove
And maybe some jail for Dicky Cheney!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:37 PM
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122. I'm a believer, I believe Leopold's article.
Edited on Sat May-13-06 04:39 PM by me b zola
So now I'm wondering about the timing of bush*s immigration speech tomorrow. In Leopold's article that you posted yesterday, 'ROVE INFORMS WHITE HOUSE HE WILL BE INDICTED', the final paragraph is sticking out im my mind:

"... "There's no doubt that it will be front page news if and when (an indictment) happens. But eventually it will become old news quickly. The key issue here is that the president or Mr. Bolten respond to the charges immediately, make a statement and then move on to other important policy issues and keep that as the main focus going forward.""


I think that this is how they will handle the spin. They will inudate the airwaves with their talking heads saying things like "bush* is working at the people's business, and all you (meaning anyone who is talking about the indictment and the corruption of the administration) want to play the blame game. We want to look forward, and you all are looking back." ----or some dribble to that effect.

If I'm right about how they are going to spin it, are we ready to counter it? Are our elected Dems who will get airtime? Will the media focus on the big story of bush*s brain being indicted, or will they be bullied into dropping it for more slight of hand by bush*?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:41 PM
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131. I think the timing, if it's legit, is good.
It will make Bush's "plan" look like nothing but a stunt.

He's be better off hiding.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:42 PM
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132. I am greedy.
I want Cheney Indicted for Treason.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:39 PM
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211. Really?
I want him hanged for it.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:45 PM
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217. Heh heh. Imagine the chimp speechifying on teevee, with a banner
that says "Karl Rove resigns after being indicted for perjury"
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:38 PM
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123. Love it!
Love you guys!

Can I have front seats for the frog march?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:40 PM
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128. Merry Fitzmas to All
Edited on Sat May-13-06 04:43 PM by marions ghost
:toast: to Truthout and Will Pitt

and :applause: :applause: :applause:

on this momentous occasion--the official Outing of Turdblossom :puke:

:party: :party: :party:
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:41 PM
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129. Who knew Fitzmas was gonna fall on Mother's Day weekend!?
What a treat! My breakfast in bed, hot coffee and KKKarl peeing his pants on the front page of a newspaper!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:43 PM
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136. Now that's a *real* mutha for ya...yeah!
:evilgrin:
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:41 PM
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130. K&R. I almost missed this post
It wasn't until I realized that yesterday's thread had 890235980 replies and 238905 recommendations.

Jason, you rock. Fitz, you rock even more. :yourock:
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chrisbur Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:43 PM
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134. So there it is.
Any word yet in the SCLMSM? Who will care?

I thought for sure the logging of domestic phone calls would do the trick and save the country/world. Evidently I'm a big alarmist, this has all happened before and all we have to do is wait through some arcane media spin process by which the Democrats must deny any intentions of impeachment for 5 more months, get elected,break said promise and viola!. Oh yeah, and any talk of election shenanigans is just looony.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:43 PM
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135. Excellent! n/t
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:43 PM
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137. first I need to dance around the room for a while
then I need to make an "I told you so" phone call.

Wow this is unfreakinbelievably joyous news.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:43 PM
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138. I am ready for my close-up, Mr. Deville.....
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:46 PM
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139. Keep us posted as to when the MSM gets this.
And link it when they do.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:47 PM
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140. K & R. Hey Will....where's that poster who owes you money? :-)
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:47 PM
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141. Any speculation as to why no announcement yesterday?
I do so want to believe, but I'm almost afraid to.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:48 PM
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142. But but but -
Edited on Sat May-13-06 04:48 PM by libhill
I thought Repukes were above the law???
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:49 PM
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144. Unless they were going to slap him jail - - - which they don't do in civil
cases, especially to people who are on their own recognizance, - - why would Fitz tell him he had 24 hours to get his affairs in order?

That part doesn't make sense to me.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:29 PM
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267. ? It's not a civil case, it's a criminal matter. Perhaps to give Rover a
last chance to take a plea before he turns himself in for the ultimate photo op, a booking photo?

It's also not unheard of to arrange for a surrender in advance in cases like this as opposed to having the cops show up during breakfast and hauling you out while you've still in your PJ's. Also perhaps it could be a "courtesy" to someone who reportedly allegedly has been helping shove other people under the bus in an attempt to mitigate his own fate. Althought the thought of Rover taking off on the lam would be kinda interesting.

Don't know, just speculatin'. ;)
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:44 PM
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298. Of course you're right about it not being a civil case. I was thinking
"white collar crime" not civil case. Duh.

Still, I think it's overly dramatic to say "get your affairs in order" in a case like this.

That's what they said to Dearest Husband 26 years ago when MD Anderson Cancer Center sent him home as terminal.

Lucky for him, another surgery and some radiation did the trick. Bonus? Doesn't even have to use deoderant on that side. :)

Anyway, the choice of words just seemed odd to me.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:08 PM
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372. Wow. Congrats on still having your DH despite that diagnosis. That musta
been a kick in the gut.

But yeah you're right on the report. Unless they're planning to keep Rover in the slammer without bail, which is unlikely and that was your original point, that "get your affairs in order" is a tad melodramatic. I hope that's not part of some spin going on. Poor Rover, sent home to pack his toothbrush, a change of boxers, sigh a farewell to his kids and his wife (who bizarrely looks like a female clone of Rover) before toddling off to the big house. ;)
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:14 AM
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380. Thanks. That was a scary time.
He was a toddler when his Air Force family lived in the Marshall Islands. They used to watch the atomic tests over Bikini, and they swam in the lagoon.

Unfortunately, the lagoon was where they towed the hulls of the ships that had been the targets of the blasts.

Nothing like a little radiation in the morning.

His father had all kinds of internal problems, but lived a normal lifespan. His mother lost her eyesight to macular degeneration.

DH had an awful cancer at age 35. His younger sister (unborn at the time they lived on Kwajalein) had an intestinal blockage, and when they opened her up, everything was backward!

Coincidence? You decide. :)
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:49 PM
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145. What about more serious charges? O of J etc ?? nt
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:50 PM
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146. Hopefully it's announced Tuesday
And take Bushler right out of the news.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:51 PM
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149. KNR
Edited on Sat May-13-06 04:52 PM by FogerRox
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:51 PM
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150. Just in time to make or miss the Sunday shows?
Which one is it? Make them or miss them?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:53 PM
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151. And Charlie Brown backs up, his eyes to the skies...
The pop fly is in the air and the fans hold their breath...



Will he be the Hero? Or will he be the goat?

(It's going to be a long weekend.)
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:56 PM
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153. I call bullshit.
Jason Leopold is the only source on both of these big time threads. I don't believe either of them. I will not recommend this thread.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:59 PM
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159. I guess that means you think Will Pitt is lying, too?
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:10 PM
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255. I didn't see the word "lying".
Why are you being so hostile over this?
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:12 PM
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309. Perhaps it was due to the word "bullshit" in regard to Will's post.
That post was hostile, imo, & got an answer it deserved.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:18 AM
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388. For that, I refer you to My Pet Rock
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:45 AM
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400. You can't answer for yourself? Why not?
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:58 AM
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402. okay, I'll speak for myself
Cry Me a River
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:04 AM
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409. The breadth and depth of your response is duly noted.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:12 AM
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412. You forgot to comment on the simplicity and concision.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:08 AM
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395. bullshit
The post was "I call bullshit".

That's a homogenous term which can mean anything, including that the sources are not correct.
It's not necessarily a reflection on the person who put the story together and it's certainly not hostile.

If he had said "I don't believe it" would that have been OK with you?


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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:43 AM
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399. You really don't know what the original poster meant do you?

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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:59 AM
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404. Original poster?
Edited on Sun May-14-06 04:00 AM by Kire
WilliamPitt?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:01 AM
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407. You're the OP in this sub-thread. Stop playing games.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:03 AM
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408. Okay, then.
Edited on Sun May-14-06 04:03 AM by Kire
I know what I meant, and Harper_is_Bush is exactly right. Do you presume to tell me what I mean?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:06 AM
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410. I presume to ask you what you meant. I take your comment as....
...a non-response.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:10 AM
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411. take it as you will
Edited on Sun May-14-06 04:10 AM by Kire
care to define non-response? I'll define homogeneous.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:14 AM
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415. Care to define, "I call bullshit"?
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:17 AM
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417. The word "I" means me, the poster
Edited on Sun May-14-06 05:04 AM by Kire
The word "call" means to exclaim, or declare

The word "bullshit" has homogeneous (single) meaning, as opposed to a heterogenous one where it could mean anything. It means the dung of the male cow. In other words, what the claims of Leopold are worth.

I would also like to define "non-response" as what happens when a request is made (like "please define non-response") and despite a reply changing the subject, the definition is not provided.

Edit: I would like to thank you for the opportunity to make my points clear. Are they crystal enough for you?
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:17 AM
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418. Care to answer my question in post 395?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #153
240. I'm Sure Your Lack Of Recommendation Will Be Missed, Only 300 Others Or So
will have done so by the time the night is through. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

But if you want to sit there all bitter and cynical go for it. I, on the other hand, will be laughing my ass off with joy at this news.

(and Mr. Leopold and Truthout in general are some of the most accurate sources to be found anywhere :P )
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:14 AM
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421. 300?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:55 PM
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430. LFMAO!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Gee, only 200+ :rofl:

I'm pretty sure my point is still valid. :rofl:
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:03 PM
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243. Well, cry me a river.
:eyes:
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:08 AM
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382. Boo Hoo
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #153
259. That's okay ... I'll recommend it instead!
I takes my good news where I can get it - & I have no reason to call bullshit, Truthout is more than reputable from what I've seen.

Will - Tell Jason crow can be served to the detractors as a main dish or as a side dish, just add the proper condiments! And thanks for the Mother's Day gift, dude ... it's a goody!

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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:10 AM
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383. I'm not a detractor.
I don't think that Will or Jason or lying. I just think they need to get some support outside of the partisan blogosphere. I'll be happy as hell if this is true, but I think this is a big enough story if it were true that it would be picked up by the MSM by now.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:12 AM
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384. Skinner says it best
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:27 PM
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313. I'm very skeptical
I can't believe that many people would be leaking to an alternative online news site and failing to speak to their more mainstream contacts. Even if there was some weird consensul censorship in the MSM, I can't help but think it would still be breaking internationally or in other places online.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:33 PM
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337. I think they are leaking to other mainstreamers.
David Shuster comes to mind. Since he's on tv, he can't just come out and say it before it's official.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:13 AM
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385. You think?
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:12 AM
Response to Reply #313
397. You think like me. SIX WH aides leaked to truthout, but no MSM?
Seems odd.

Obviously I'm hoping it's true, but I will continue to have and express my doubts.

It's too bad that legitimate act gets portrayed as "hostile" or "attacking" by some over-zelleous folks.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:57 PM
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154. Yippee Yi Oh Ki Yay !!!!!
This is great news.

:party: :toast: :bounce: :wow: :beer: :woohoo: :applause: :popcorn: :rofl: :patriot: :D
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #154
187. Clinky, darling!
:toast: :woohoo:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:13 PM
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258. Patsela!!!!
I'm so happy I could have a chicken.
:toast:
Clinky back atcha.
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gademocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:57 PM
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155. Yes, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Finally, Justice is being served. Thank you Mr. Fitzpatrick.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:58 PM
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157. Hey, do I get the prize? 9:09 AM
It is possible that Rove has already been indicted but that the indictment was put under seal for any number of reasons.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:00 PM
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164. Nope
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:03 PM
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168. LOL
H2O Man is always two steps ahead of the rest of us on this one.

Of course, he deserves the prize. ;)

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:58 PM
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158. OK, I'll break out the champagne now.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:00 PM
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163. well, its in not on cnn 5 pm news (CT).
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:03 PM
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169. Because it won't be announced until Monday or Tuesday
I trust Will Pitt and Jason Leopold.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:49 AM
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393. or Wednesday or Thursday
Edited on Sun May-14-06 02:50 AM by Kire
or next December, or February, 2009
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:12 PM
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175. You're not going to see it today.....
...as noted in the Truthout article referenced in the OP:

"An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown. Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the special prosecutor was unavailable for comment. In the past, Samborn said he could not comment on the case."
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 04:59 PM
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160. Fuckin'-A!
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:00 PM
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161. Rove Informs White House He Will Be Indicted
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_jason_le_060513...

Within the last week, Karl Rove told President Bush and Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, as well as a few other high level administration officials, that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him, according to sources.

Details of Rove's discussions with the president and Bolten have spread through the corridors of the White House where low-level staffers and senior officials were trying to determine how the indictment would impact an administration that has been mired in a number of high-profile political scandals for nearly a year, said a half-dozen White House aides and two senior officials who work at the Republican National Committee.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:01 PM
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165. OK here I go again
Edited on Sat May-13-06 05:02 PM by malaise



Happy Fitzmas all

Add text
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:01 PM
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167. the Plame case was what caused me to visit DU on a regular basis
now that the case is peaking, what is the point in hanging out. Ha, just kidding. DU is great. And it sure beats my family website where people post 1X/month.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:05 PM
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170. So, is that a Monday Frog March?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:05 PM
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171. Here's to Truthout! Here's to Jason Leopold!
Here's to Patrick J. Fitzgerald!



Thanks, Will.
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:05 PM
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172. Leopold better be right about this
I hope this article is accurate. I don't want to get my hopes up yet until I hear it from another source.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:14 PM
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179. Would Will Pitt be posting this if it wasn't true?
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #179
263. Do you think we should pass this on to the MSM?
The "good news" should pop everywhere, huh?
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:14 AM
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398. Are you suggesting Halliburton is questioning Will Pitts honesty? n/t
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:53 AM
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401. By extension, yes I do. Will is the senior editor for Truthout....
...and has been fact-checking Jason's articles. If Kire is questioning Jason Leopold's veracity, then he's also questioning Will's veracity.

Are you in the same boat as Kire?
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:01 AM
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406. Are you sure "veracity" is the word you want?
Halliburton referred to Leopold being "right" (or not). That does not imply that Leopold (or by extension, Will Pitt) might be lacking in honesty.

Perhaps you should just allow people to express doubts without accusing them of accusing others of dishonesty?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:12 AM
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413. "Veracity" is exactly the word I want. Kire is the individual that....
...stated "I call bullshit" in response to Jason's Truthout column that Will posted. Using that phrase in the context of this board is the same as calling them liars.

You backed up Kire throughout this sub-thread...therefore you are also calling Jason and Leopold liars.

Now you both seem to be backing away from your earlier comments. Why is that, exactly?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:06 PM
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173. Yessssssssssssss! Been saving this pic for this day!!
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:26 PM
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190. picture that on the frontpage of every Sunday paper in America
Thanks!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #190
210. Be still my heart! What a wonderful dream.
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wizdum Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:24 PM
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354. Nice one!
It brought tears of joy to my eyes...
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:06 PM
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174. Thank you Will Pitt!!
What a wonderful Mother's Day present this is!! And thanks for all that you do.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:17 PM
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183. Yea, yea, yea. You don't have to get all mushy about it
Edited on Sat May-13-06 05:18 PM by NNN0LHI
Just joking Greybnk48 :D .

Thanks for all you do Will.

I think I have said that before?

Don
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:13 PM
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178. WTF??? THIS ARTICLE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
I know you guys are all going to flame me, but please please hear me out on this:

"Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove."

"Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove"

"The grand jury hearing evidence in the Plame Wilson case met Friday on other matters while Fitzgerald spent the entire day at Luskin's office."


Something is just wrong here.

Which was it?

Half a day? An entire day? Fifteen hours?

When did Fitz get time to file these papers here? http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12774143/site/newsweek

Why the HELL would Fitz spend fifteen hours "going over the charges" against Rove? Hullo???

This isn't how Fitz works. Review how he handled Libby.

You mean NO OTHER MEDIA would have noticed this? Fitz has been followed everywhere in recent months.

"instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order"


Assuming this is true, THIS sounds like a target letter (or the equivalent). Which would mean the previous target letter Leopold reported as being fact several times over does not exist.

"Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators."

"An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown."


Perjury and lying to the investigators are the same things.

Fitz isn't the one who indicts. The Grand Jury is. It was reported they met on other things Friday, so they didn't indict Rove unless they did it previously, in which case, we would have HEARD ABOUT IT!

So we have no sources that will go on record, no comments from anybody directly involved, and conflicting info throughout the article.

This is horrible. We have REAL NEWS TODAY ON THE CIA LEAK CASE, and it is here:

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/0...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12774143/site/newsweek /

An actual document. Court filings. Actual news backed up by proof. Where is your proof, Truthout? Why aren't you reporting the real news of the documents in the Libby case?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #178
204. Incredible. How closely did you read the article?....
"Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove."

"Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove"

Why do you believe the two events are mutually exclusive? If Fitz spent half a day in the Patton Boggs office, that would equal about 4-6 hours talking to Luskin. Fitz then spent the remaining 9-11 hours talking with Luskin at one or more locations outside of the Patton Boggs office.

"The grand jury hearing evidence in the Plame Wilson case met Friday on other matters while Fitzgerald spent the entire day at Luskin's office."

Yes, the Grand Jury can be convened to discuss other legal matters. Why is that an issue?

"Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators."

The charges of perjury may have to do with Rove lying to someone other than the investigators. That may be the reason for the distinction being made between "charges of perjury and lying to investigators".

"An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown."

I simply do not understand why you have a problem with this statement. Fitz works on his own schedule, something everyone following this case should know by now.

As far as how Fitz handled Libby, I recall he spent several hours in the law office representing Libby prior to announcing the charges against Libby. Doesn't look like he handled Rove any differently, IMHO.

As to your remarks about why other media outlets have not picked up on certain parts of this story, which of those MSM stooges wants to be first to report this major blow against the Necon Junta?

You seem more interested in attacking the veracity of Jason Leopold, and by extension, Will Pitt, then you do in trying to understand what Leopold actually wrote.



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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:06 PM
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247. other media not breaking it....
"As to your remarks about why other media outlets have not picked up on certain parts of this story, which of those MSM stooges wants to be first to report this major blow against the Necon Junta?"

I'm quite sure MSM would fall over itself to break this story. I don't believe for one second that MSM ('cept maybe Fox) would not go to print with this out of fear.

The MSM, presumably, doesn't have the sources Jason Leopold does. I hope those sources are legit. We've seen gotchas of this nature before.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:28 PM
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355. Right. Whatever you say.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:49 AM
Response to Reply #355
394. Why even bother with a response like that?
:shrug:

Your anger is misplaced.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:00 AM
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405. My "anger is misplaced"?..........
...No, I know exactly why I'm angry with you and the others that are attacking Leopold and Witt. There is nothing "misplaced" about that at all.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #178
212. I hear you. Not being a lawyer I wonder why Fitz would sit on a GJ vote
and not move the GJ into a courtroom to hand up the indictment. Why would he put it in his brief case and go off to visit Rove's lawyers? I don't get that.

Handing up the indictment wouldn't really prevent Rove from striking a plea bargain. Indeed, it seems to me once Rove _is_ indicted the pressure will be even greater for Rove to cop a plea.

Maybe some legal eagle can explain whether the reported choreography has any similarity with usual practice and/or Fitzgerald's previous behaviors.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:40 PM
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213. Here's my take:
Edited on Sat May-13-06 06:09 PM by Patsy Stone
The 15 hours was over several days. At least half a day was spent yesterday at the lawyer's office.

That filing had been in the works for a while. The information was requested by Libby's lawyers on May 5: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

There were sealed indictments already. He got that earlier and went to Rove's lawyer's to discuss them all over time (15 hours worth). Yesterday, he told them they had a day to decide whether or not to make a plea. It's now up to Fitz to make the formal announcement. That's what the world is waiting for. Either that, or for Rove to step down. But he already said he's not going to until the indictments are revealed. Thus, the ball is in Fitz's court.

My .02. And I reserve the right to be wrong. :)
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #178
244. Perjury and lying to investigators are not the same thing. Perjury is
lying while under oath. Lying to fed investigators during the course of an investigation, while not under oath, is also a crime. (Martha Stewart didn't serve time in prison for perjury as I recall but for lying to fed investigators.) Rove lied to fed investigators in fall 2003 and subsequently lied in his testimony to the grand jury.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #244
357. Thanks. Excellent explanation! :-)
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:14 PM
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180. Thank you Jason Leopold, William Pitt & Truthout!
K&R!!

:woohoo:

:bounce:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:17 PM
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182. Congrats on breaking the story.
I've been waiting to change this picture for awhile now. Time for an update. Hey Rove...getting closer...don't drop the soap...

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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:20 PM
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184. Op-ed News and TPM now has the story!!!!!!!!!
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #184
188. Is it an independent story or an echo of Leopold's?
If it's independent corroboration that's GREAT. If it's an echo....well, it's an echo.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #184
219. The story on TPM
is about the CHENEY writing on the Wilson news article, damning evidence that Cheney DID send Wilson to Niger, NOTHING at all about this manic-depressive article by Leoplod, let's keep this straight, since the article by Truthout is obviously a load of bull to anyone that thinks that ALL major news media are going to let a two bit webpage get the scoop of the decade.

Get real people, this article makes absolutely NO sense, none of it adds up. Use your mind and set the blood lust, which I feel as well, aside re Rove the Pigman.

I find it odd that these stories keep popping up as soon as there's any REAL news about other parts of this case...
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:51 PM
Original message
From TPM: Rove indicted
Edited on Sat May-13-06 05:58 PM by Humor_In_Cuneiform
From TPM:


"Breaking

Crimes and Corruptions of the New World Order News
BREAKING: Karl Rove Indicted - Perjury!
By Marc Parent | bio
And Lying to Investigators!

He's Going Down!
---
May 13, 2006

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.

During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning..."

http://americaabroad.tpmcafe.com/node/29825


It DOES trace back to truthout as well and Leopold, so no independent confirmation yet.

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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:05 PM
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245. That's the Cafe - not TPM proper
Josh Micah Marshall wouldn't be caught dead reporting something like this...
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:06 PM
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248. Exactly the TPMcafe story is just an echo in the chamber.
It can't count as confirmation
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:20 PM
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185. Does the suggested timeline fit Fitzgerald's usual MO when it comes to
Edited on Sat May-13-06 05:39 PM by Karmadillo
indictments? I thought I had read on DU he normally moves quickly from target letter to indictment to announcement. This seems to be moving much more slowly. Hope it's all true, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #185
186. I read something about a sealed indictment, or something like that.
I don't know what it means.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #185
216. It's not very often that a prosecutor is involved in investigating....
...the top levels of the U. S. Government. I recall Watergate, Iran-Contra, and the Starr Inquisition as the only previous cases that merited a Special Prosecutor, or a prosecutor with powers equivalent to a Special Prosecutor.

Given what we know about the NeoCon Junta, I would imagine that Fitz has been very deliberate at each step in the process to be absolutely sure all of his ducks were in a row and quacking in unison.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:25 PM
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189. Book'em Danno!
And while you're at it, flush'em too.




PS- Congrats Truthout on a great job!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:27 PM
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191. Another Jason Leopold total scoop on the entire duplicitous corp. media.
:thumbsup:


Never Forget: George W. Bush willfully violated National Security to cover-up his willful launch of a war of aggression and illegal occupation of Iraq.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #191
193. This is the week that was...
Yay! It's good sharing this time with friends. :hug:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #193
197. Hey there!!
:hi:


Peace, my friend.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:30 PM
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194. Kick n/t
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:31 PM
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195. The grand jury ... met Friday on OTHER matters while
Fitzgerald spent the entire day at Luskin's office.

OTHER matters?
People, Fitzmas is not over. The investigation goes on, and there may be more indictments coming!!!
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:36 PM
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203. perhaps they met to discuss Cheney's notes:
:evilgrin:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12774274/site/newsweek /

May 13, 2006 - The role of Vice President Dick Cheney in the criminal case stemming from the outing of White House critic Joseph Wilson's CIA wife is likely to get fresh attention as a result of newly disclosed notes showing that Cheney personally asked whether Wilson had been sent by his wife on a "junket" to Africa.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #203
224. That's not a bad guess, IMHO.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:33 PM
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198. Sweet! Congratulations Truthout and Jason!
:toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast:
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:36 PM
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202. Way to go Truthout!
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slybacon9 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:38 PM
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207. TONIGHT: EVERYBODY GETS LAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:40 PM
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214. Is that an offer?
;)
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:42 PM
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215. AND YOU KNOW THE FREEPERS ALL KNOW BY NOW!!!
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:49 PM
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222. omg omg omg....OMG!!
:wow: :woohoo: :wow: :woohoo: :wow: :woohoo: :wow: :woohoo: :wow:
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:51 PM
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226. This waiting is driving me nuts
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:40 PM
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272. This should help
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:52 PM
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227. MERRY FITZMAS
and a verrrry HAPPY BLUE YEAR!!!
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:53 PM
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228. I'm getting ready for the frog march
I'm not sure if I will be excited or just feel relieved that justice is finally prevailing.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:53 PM
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229. WOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:53 PM
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230. In the sixth month of Fitzmas, Fitzgerald gave to ME-E-E-E-E!`
A doppelganger for a giant BABY!!!!!!!

Maybe I'm celebrating prematurely, but hell, I haven't felt much like celebrating anything lately. :) I wish I knew some of you IRL. We could do some champagne.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:58 PM
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233. Fantastic...the 1st Liar's brain gets
charged as a LIAR!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:00 PM
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235. God Bless Truthout. Will, This Was The Last Thing I Expected To See On DU
upon my return from dinner with my wife and kids. Talk about your pleasant surprises!!!

:toast:
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:29 PM
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436. ditto n/t
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:01 PM
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236. WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
*breaks out Kahlua*

Normally not a drinking man, but I obtained some in anticipation of an indictment on Mon. Was not expecting this! HELL YES! 'Bout time that son of a bitch got indicted!

:woohoo:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:02 PM
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239. Bye turd blossom! Thanks, Truthout!
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KalicoKitty Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:03 PM
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282. Hahaha
Thanks for the laugh!!!

:rofl:
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:05 PM
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246. First Libby, then Rove, now making a serious move on Cheney
We should designate the day Fitz was appointed as "Justice Day" and honor it each year.

Will, You and Jason rock!

Now, where's that woohoo emoticon?

Here it is.

:woohoo:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:10 PM
Original message
Really, the Cheney part
is gonna be the sweetest of all. This is a scrumtious amuse bouche!
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:17 PM
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260. It sure is.
And if this is the amuse bouche, I can't wait for the entree.
:bounce:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:08 PM
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252. WOOO HOOO CHAMPAGNE IS OPENING NOW!! POPPING CORK!
Edited on Sat May-13-06 06:09 PM by flyarm
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WEEEEEEEEE HEEEEEEEEEEEE..PARTYYYYYYYYYY

OMG HAVE WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

woooooooooo hoooooooooooooooo :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :toast: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :toast: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

:hi: Will

thanks for the heads up!!!

fly
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:10 PM
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256. Hey, I wanna come to YOUR party!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:18 PM
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261. I believe
I do too! :hi:, fooj. :hug: :woohoo:
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:45 PM
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274. I'm drooping in, too.
It just looks like too much fun. :)
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:01 PM
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281. WOOO HOOOO GIRLS..CHAMPAGNE AND CHAMBORD??
WITH FRESH FROZEN RASBERRIES???

and little umbrellas in your champagne flute???????

woooooooooooooooooooooo hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

with sun setting over the gulf of mexico...nothing better...rove fed to the sharks...and we can watch him go down ...

wooooooooooo hoooooooooooo :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :hug: :grouphug: :hug: :grouphug: :hug: :grouphug: :hug: :grouphug: :hug: :grouphug: :hug: :grouphug: :hug: :grouphug: :pals: :pals: :pals: :pals: :pals: :pals: :pals: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party:

fly
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:56 PM
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319. Bee-you-ti-ful!
:loveya: :hi:
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:36 PM
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269. Definitely time to PARTAY!!!! Ya-HOOOOOOO. Heads & brains are rolling
:woohoo:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:10 AM
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396. Hey, here's a bunch of glasses I want to clink.
:toast:


:hi:
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:36 PM
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270. No one else is touching this story, but why?
not even repeating on their own blogs, except dailykos where it has been diaried, but no one is leading with it. Same thing with yesterdays article by Leopold.


Huffington Post isn't touching this either, nor BuzzFlash, nor Drudge (which necessarily doesn't mean a thing.)

But none of the major lefty blogs are going with this. Exclusive or not, this would have spread like wildfire and repeated and analyzed unless there was a huge amount of skepticism and caution surrounding Leopold or his sources.

I want to believe DESPARATELY, but this is extremely different from the Libby indictment when it seemed to explode everywhere that Thursday night last October.

What gives here?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:45 PM
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275. Why is Rove no longer speaking
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:53 PM
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277. just found the same at Kos, thanks!
Here's a curious clue (12+ / 0-)
Recommended by:pontificator, gorlim, cookiesandmilk, highacidity, badlands, mayan, julied, Scout Finch, lmllebrown, michele2, nieman, Cory Bantic
as to whether the ax will be dropped really soon.

Yesterday on the Breaking: Rove To Be Indicted diary, I made a comment about a scheduled speech that Rove was to make to the The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) on Monday, May 15, 2006.

So, out of curiousity I just went to the AEI and there is no scheduled event for Monday, May 15th on any of their pages that I could find.

I guess Rove called them to say he was going to be busy getting some affairs in order, so he needed to cancel.

:::snicker, snicker:::


But still. . I've seen this people take down Dan Rather with my own eyes. My experience is to see the second source
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:00 PM
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280. This just appeared on Google News but it's the same source
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:46 PM
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316. Buzzflash has a link to the Truthout article.
Says it's unconfirmed, but still posts it:
http://www.buzzflash.com/
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:41 PM
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273. Dammit, where are those BELL RINGERS when ya really need um???
Edited on Sat May-13-06 06:46 PM by opihimoimoi
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:bounce:
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:57 PM
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279. lol...
My sentiments exactly!

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Arkham House Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:53 PM
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276. This is quite astonishingly good news...
...but still only the beginning. I want Cheney and Bush frogmarched...the real perpetrators of this treason...
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:53 PM
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278. nothing in the MSM yet, so truthout officially broke it
Remember where you heard it 1st in the next week. Thanks Will.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:06 PM
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283. HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!!!!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:15 PM
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287. nothing about Rove on Raw Story.com
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Babel_17 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:20 PM
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289. Pinch me (I must be dreaming)
Can it truly be time to break out the dancing villager smilies?

Many, many thanks for the heads-up.

May our great nation finally awaken from this Roveian orchestrated nightmare.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:23 PM
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290. Love you Will and Jason, too!
:hug:

I'm hoping that this will finally lead to the colapse of this house of cards!!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:32 PM
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294. The House is coming DOWN.............Pubs reduced to Silence of the Lambs
Pubs busy thinking of Talking Points...how to spin it....Blame Clinton or that girl in Aruba
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:28 PM
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291. Wow....is all I can say. I can hardly breath.Thanx for the post.
It was a total crap day until just now.....
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:32 PM
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293. a little tidbit...
Roves speech at the AEI has disappeared from the Coming Events section at AEIs website.

http://www.aei.org/events/filter.all/events.asp

Something may be coming down the pike in the next week.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:36 PM
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296. well this explains the speech for
Monday night...somebody is trying to deflect a wee bit of attention from the Rove story....do you think he will actually use the national gaurd for this?
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:47 PM
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300. OMG!!!11!!! THIS IS HUGH!!!111!!!!!ONE
I'M SERIES!!!!

:snicker:....i've always wanted to post that!
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:58 PM
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305. Glad you got the chance to!!
:toast:
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Coes Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:42 AM
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420. love that smiley
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:59 PM
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448. Thanks!
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:49 PM
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301. Another comment at Kos, Bush speaks from the oval office Monday night
Edited on Sat May-13-06 07:50 PM by caligirl
What do you want to bet that THIS is... (93+ / 0-)



...what Bush's Monday night television address from the Oval Office is really about.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/13/172619/697
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:51 PM
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302. Yes!
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Radio_Guy Donating Member (875 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:54 PM
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303. I bought the champagne
It is on ice as I speak. Sipping a Budweiser in pre-celebration of the indictment. Monday when Rove is indicted, I open the bubbly. However, I'm saving the best stuff, Laurent-Perrier Grande Sicle, for when Bush is led away from the White House in handcuff. That just may happen by the end of the year the way things are going.
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Iniquitous Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 07:55 PM
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304. Sweet!
Let's hope justice continues. :toast:
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Patrick J Fitzgerald Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:14 PM
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310. Jason Leopold Deserves A Pulitzer
His stories have always been accurate, so much so, that people are blind to the truth.

Let me just say that I have never been known as one who spills my candy in the lobby, but Friday was a very long day AND Karl is guilty as sin AND this grand jury hates evil doers as much as I do - so you can draw your own conclusions! Please allow me to go back to enjoying my romantic picnic. ;)

Have a great weekend.

http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com

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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:27 PM
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336. Glad someone could drag out their old sock puppet. ;)
God, I hope this is true. I am celebrating prematurely. Usually, I like to have some confirmation from another source.
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DeBunk Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #336
341. Me too!
This would be an awfully convenient way for them to knock the wind out of us.

Picture my scenario:

Rove's lawyer leaks this knowing that the opposite is going to happen. Then the right wing pricks will be beating us over the head with it all week. That will give them some time and cover.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:16 PM
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312. When story was first posted on Truthout, you could post comments
but now you cannot - why is that?
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:37 PM
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314. The ARCHITECT of stolen elections that brought us fascism is GOING DOWN!!!
Fitzgerald is an American Hero.

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PatrioticLeftie Donating Member (909 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:53 PM
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318. YES!
We may be getting America back!
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Robbie Michaels Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:56 PM
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320. Let freedom ring
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This is awesome!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:58 PM
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321. The month of May is turning out to be so Sweet!!
Things are good!!
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DeBunk Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 08:59 PM
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322. This is the exact same rumor that we got last year
Don't get your hopes up folks.

Remember this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/5/154517/6712
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:02 PM
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324. that 2005 piece was a will be piece, this new piece is a has been indicted
big difference.
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DeBunk Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:03 PM
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325. Who's the source? It's Luskin?
He's been the source all along. I'm not saying this is true or isn't. But, I'm not buying in yet.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:07 PM
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326. His office, Rove's - Turd Blossom made so many friends - anyone
Edited on Sat May-13-06 09:08 PM by robbedvoter
would be happy to return the favor. I trust Leopold.
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DeBunk Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:19 PM
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330. I'm very uneasy about this
But, I am really hoping this is true. I want to believe it, that's for sure.

I just don't want to be let down.
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DeBunk Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:37 PM
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340. Why hasn't C&L, Rawstory, and Kos picked this up?
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #340
342. JB and I were at the beach
and just got back to my place.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:57 PM
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345. Oh really now?
:hi:
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #345
362. yeah and a DU woman met us for dinner
I won't say who, she is very private ;)
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:10 PM
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329. KNR 166!
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:23 PM
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332. Monday can't come too soon! k & r
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:24 PM
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333. K&R 169
Whoo Hooo!
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:24 PM
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334. If you want a big laugh, see the Freeper denial on this...
...it ain't just a river in Egypt---> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1631853/posts
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #334
447. Fitz need to be removed, he's out of control.
:rofl:
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bluecrush Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:25 PM
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335. Close your eyes
and visualize Karl Rove in handcuffs. :)
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:33 PM
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338. WHOO HOOOO!
Whoooo FUCKING HOOOOOO!!!!!


OH Yeah BABY!!!!!




:toast: :bounce:
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dennis00 Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:36 PM
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339. alerting the local media
I just spoke to a person at the Dayton Daily News. She got all exited about the news but says they can't use it till it comes over the AP wire. Can't use stories right off the net. She is going to e-mail DDN's person in DC to go by Rove's house to see what's happening. Maybe Monday something will be in the paper.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:51 PM
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343. Could Rove have been indicted and then copped a plea...
...and that is why he was given 24 hours to get his affairs in order? It seems that this could fit what is going on as well since the time reported that Fitz spent with Rove's attys was 15 hours.

Just a thought.... :shrug:
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #343
366. I recall reading somewhere that sometimes a sealed indictment is used as a
Edited on Sat May-13-06 10:48 PM by Garbo 2004
last opportunity to get someone to cop a plea before the indictment goes public. (I can't cite a source at the moment and the attorneys on board can address that. But please be kind. I bruise easily. lol.)

Today's article doesn't state that the indictment was sealed but Leopold's Friday article stated that the indictment would be sealed. No explanation why it would be sealed, but that's what the article said, FWIW.

TalkLeft (Jeralyn Merritt) speculates that the 15 hours were spent trying to reach a plea agreement and then that the 24 hours notice was given when the talks failed to reach a deal. http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

Regardless of the merits of Leopold's sources and the info they've provided, it seems today's article was rushed to print (so to speak) and could have been clearer. JMO.
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:53 PM
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344. Kudos to TruthOut! Demand the MSM recognize TruthOut.org broke the story.
Journal Entry

The WH has complete control of all media, conservative, liberal or corporate.

All of these people know EXACTLY what's going on, and they're sitting on the story - like they did with Bush before the 04 election.

Demand the truth!
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:05 PM
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346. Good.
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DeBunk Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:11 PM
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347. I really feel uneasy about his. I have a bad feeling. I hope I'm wrong
This would be an awfully convenient way for them to knock the wind out of us.

Picture my scenario:

Rove's lawyer leaks this knowing that the opposite is going to happen. Then the right wing pricks will be beating us over the head with it all week. That will give them some time and cover.
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #347
356. You're wrong.
Now go back to bed.
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DeBunk Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #356
427. Why hasn't C&L, Rawstory, and Kos picked this up?
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:26 PM
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443. See #342 For Raw Story Explanation n/t
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:12 PM
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348. 15 hours??? Is that a typo? n/t
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #348
360. Did it all have to take place in one day? Is that what Leopold wrote?
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tired of the right Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:13 PM
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349. Imagine that!
Karl Rove lying! :toast:
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:18 PM
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351. PeeRepublic's denial thread here
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:21 PM
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353. How sweet it is!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:30 PM
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358. ha! hopefully the end of this bushit reign is near! n/t
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wizdum Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:32 PM
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359. My heart is suddenly lighter at this news. I feel a weight being lifted
...off my shoulders. There are tears in my eyes, and this news is deeply satisfying in a way that is indescrible. May Rove be buried in legal fees, rot in prison, and become an inmates poke. And I want all the gory details.

Thanks William and Skinner for breaking the important news.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:35 PM
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361. Repeat after me: it's not the treason; it's the LYING about the treason!!
:evilgrin:
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pola Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:40 PM
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363. YIPPEEEEEEEEE!
O8) :toast: :thumbsup: :bounce: :kick: :headbang: :yourock:
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:46 PM
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364. Why isn't this being reported anywhere else?
the Sunday page of the nytimes doesn't have
it one it. Looking like a Twilight Zone outside
of what we've usually experienced.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #364
365. no one else can confirm
not sure of truthout's sources, but they must have damned good ones.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #365
368. it's a bad situation when we're getting our news from underground
I depend on the underground news, but it's still
a cold reminder that we're living in difficult times.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #368
376. maybe because it's not news.....it may not have happened...
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:13 AM
Response to Reply #376
414. Incredible.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:51 AM
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428. Bob Cesca: Truthout Reporting That Karl Rove Was Indicted
I haven't been able to find additional confirmation of this, but Jason Leopold at Truthout is reporting that Karl Rove was indicted yesterday on charges of perjury and lying to investigators.

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove. During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning."

So that pretty much caps off a stellar week for the Bush administration. And the president is going to be speaking about -- what was that? -- immigration? That's rich.

...

UPDATE: I want to reiterate that I haven't seen any additional confirmation of Leopold's story. It's now been more than five hours since the Truthout dispatch went out. But if Leopold's story is accurate, well then... cool.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060514/cm_huffpost/0...

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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #364
379. "Is There Anybody Out There?"

PINK FLOYD LYRICS

"Is There Anybody Out There?"

Is there anybody out there?
Is there anybody out there?
Is there anybody out there?
Is there anybody out there?



I'd say it's getting spooky...
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:53 PM
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369. (pant, pant) I'm late! Is the party over?
:toast: :party:

Rove! Gone!

:toast: :party: :toast: :party: :toast: :party: :toast: :party:

Too good to be true! Pinch me! No, wait, shoot me in the face!
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:10 PM
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373. Happy Birthday To Me
What a great fucking birthday present.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:34 PM
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377. 183 VOTES FOR GREATEST!!! Thanks Jason and Will!!!! n/t
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:42 PM
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378. From now on, I'm calling you "Scoop"
Nice work, guys!!! :patriot: :toast: :patriot:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:27 AM
Response to Original message
381. I know it's May and all.... but
I might get the Christmas tree out of the basement and
put it in the living room and decorate it.

Oh I hope it really happens.

Now if this can go off without a hitch,
and without shrub attacking Iran.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #381
425. LOL!!
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:15 AM
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386. I am going to wait and hope this is true. No sense of losing credibility.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:16 AM
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387. This sounds so specific it's hard to imagine it's a false report. n/t
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:01 AM
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390. Believe it or not, this indictment might be the least of...
Edited on Sun May-14-06 02:01 AM by stevietheman
the shit hitting the fan next week. More NSA revelations, for example, will have the country reeling.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:32 AM
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392. Jason Leopold.... you are truly a marvel... Truthout you rock...
My hat is off to you all.

Jason, you little beauty. You have consistently made the MSM look like the slugs that they are.

Truthout. Your decision to get Jason to report this story in depth has paid off in spades.

Together you have proved the enormous worth of independent media.

al
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:59 AM
Response to Reply #392
403. Yes!
:toast:
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:52 AM
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424. 9:45 am Sunday May 14, 2006;
No news, tv or internet, about rove entering 'charged but not convicted' land yet. I admit I lost sleep last night anticipating the official announcement. I can wait.

I will break down and watch matthews who is on in 10 minutes in my time zone for any mention about the news. Screw him though!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #424
442. Did you read the Truthout article? What did it say about when...
...this would become public?
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #442
452. Instead of being a jerk about it, why not just tell him?
You need to curb your hostility towards your fellow DU'ers.

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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:28 AM
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426. Go Fitz, go! Let's hear it for the Man!
What's that I hear...the sound of deck chairs feverishly scraping around on the Titanic?
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grateful581 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:56 AM
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429. Dammit i need another source
Hopefully the mainstream media runs with it before bushes "immigration" speech.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #429
440. Don't like the sources Truthout is using? Go get one for yourself.
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grateful581 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #440
446. WTF
Don't get me wrong. Congrats to truthout for breaking the story and in no way am I calling them liars. I enjoy their journalism every day
On the other hand, I like to have more then one source on the story.
It's called conformation.
:eyes:
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #446
451. Don't worry about it.
that is a well-spring of hostility. Nothing personal.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #440
465. Oh, Nice. Really Nice.
:eyes:

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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:28 PM
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431. Well? What's news?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #431
441. Did you read the Truthout article? What did it say about when....
...this would become public?
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Patrick J Fitzgerald Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:13 PM
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432. I will bring Dick Cheney to his knees...
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Patrick J Fitzgerald Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #432
434. Bumper Stickers...
I cull from my email weekly - I bequeath them to you. ;)







http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/espionage_and_intelligen...





















I am kind of fond of the "Fitz and Spitz" one! ;)

http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:57 PM
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433. Kick this to the top!
:kick:
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Deb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:18 PM
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439. WOWZA!!!!
What a great way to break in my new hard drive.

Smells like a Top Ten,

It's raining All The pResidents Men.... :woohoo:

Thanks Will! :-)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:28 PM
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444. LOL - Talk about hanging one's career on ONE story....
... depending on which way this turns out...

There are only so many "stays of decision" that maneuvers like "depends on what the meaning of 24 hours is" will get get you...

Ballsy! :)
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:37 PM
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445. nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey,
GOODBYE!
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 07:04 PM
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450. We may have been Roved.
If this isn't true, the guy who wrote this better post who his sources were.
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:37 AM
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454. So when will the M$M report on it? Olberman?? n/t
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:38 AM
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455. This thread needs to go away.
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Freedom_Aflaim Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #455
458. I disagree.
Edited on Tue May-16-06 01:04 PM by Freedom_Aflaim
While Im still holding out hope that this pans out, we are all human and we all make mistakes.

To cover up those mistakes is a Bush move. We are better than that.

Besides, its well archived and to delete it would only increase any perceived damage.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:40 AM
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456. thanks for the courageous OP
peace and low stress
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:50 AM
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457. Careful! This could be a Rove ploy...
Rove working it so he would be indicted could be a masterful plot by that genius Rove, the reason and outcome we won't know about till we see Rove laughing at us.

Or, it could be simply Rove's crimes catching up with him.

I vote the second one. :party:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 01:08 PM
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459. I take off for a long weekend and here
is the thread I've been waiting for for three years. :bounce:
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 01:10 PM
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460. still waiting...
day 3 ....
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 01:11 PM
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461. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When did this happen!!! THAT'S EXCELLENT!!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 01:22 PM
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462. It hasn't yet. That was posted on the 13th.... n/t
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #462
469. Oh. Well, SHEEEEEEEEET!
24 BUSINESS HOURS UP TOMORROW NIGHT!

:bounce:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:21 PM
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475. OK THAT was funny!
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #461
463. It happened three days ago...
In DU land, a place far far away... :)
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:07 PM
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464. It's Tuesday afternoon...
Do you know where your indictment is?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:24 PM
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467. time alone, time will tell
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:11 PM
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466. NICE FANTASY...NOW BACK TO REALITY....
Karl Rove has just re-painted the entire left-wing blogosphere as a bunch of know-nothing bullshit artists that let their hate of a great man, get in the way of the fact that George W. Bush is one of the greatest Presidents in this country's history....

Fellas, (and ladies)

Keep your noses clean and your powder dry....the indictments will come when they come...

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 03:42 PM
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468. Dammm, I wuz on the Wall ready to FIRE
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:01 AM
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470. Day 4
Do you know where your indictment is?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:06 AM
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471. Perhaps TruthOut doesn't believe in retractions
The grand jury is meeting today, and perhaps on Friday. If an indictment is returned today, Jason Leopold's legion of fans will say that he was right all along and that TruthOut beat the MSM to the story. If no indictment is returned today, they will say that Fritz is giving Rove time to settle his affairs.

Now, as to Leopold's plagiarism story...
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:10 AM
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473. Maybe Leopold Could Join Forces With Sylvia Browne?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:14 AM
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474. Let's visit "settle his affairs". That makes no sense unless he would be
hauled off to jail or prison immediately. Rove will have enough time to "settle his affairs" up to and through the trial.

Meanwhile, even if he had to "settle his affairs" today, he's going to be on Capital Hill arm twisting for the Shrub's immigration plan.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:08 AM
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472. Woodamnwhooo again just in case!
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:23 PM
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476. Again? Dude is in some deep shit
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:41 AM
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477. Day 5
And the saga continues......who will win, Rove, or Truthout? Find out on next weeks edition of, INDICTED!
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:46 AM
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478. Locking
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