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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:39 PM
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"NSA-Now Spying on Americans", t-shirts, et al/LINK
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:42 PM
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1. The NSA should have been disbanded by Poppy Bush
because once the USSR fell, it no longer had a mission.

The problem with government agencies without a mission is that they begin looking for one so they can all keep their cushy jobs.

Now we the people have become the enemy they eavesdrop on.

It's time to disband that agency. Absorb them into the CIA, keep them a civilian agency with civilian oversight. Lots of civilian oversight.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:52 PM
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3. The intelligence community always has a mission,
which is to protect the wealth of the power elites.


Just a tip of the iceberg:

Timeline of CIA Atrocities
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_time.htm

The CIA
http://www.serendipity.li/cia.html


Recommended brief overview:

Overthrow - America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq
Democracy Now
Friday, April 21st, 2006
(video, audio, transcript)

exerpts with links to original:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=74540923&blogID=119079628&MyToken=c742026d-8627-462e-9941-a04a74daeb1b
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:57 PM
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4. The NSA's mission was specifically stated when Truman
signed it into existence, as a listening post to monitor the activities of the Eastern Bloc. That mission has long since ended.

Not only has it been a powerful agency in search of a mission, it has become a shadow government of sorts, a bastion of rabid anticommunism that has poisoned the foreign policy of this country since its birth.

Time to disband it.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 03:53 PM
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5. Yes, but publicly announced policy isn't necessarily the same as
actual policy.
I think the notion that the government lies is not a very radical idea.


I should clarify that it is in fact an oversimplification to say that "intelligence agencies" or "the government" do/does these things. In reality what it comes down to is that the government and primarily intelligence agencies have been compromised by "foreign forces" - foreign in the sense that the individuals involved have only their own interests in mind, at the expense of the interests of "America" and "Americans". The same is true to some degree for most of the rest of the world. Most nations are either a bully or a victim.

The individuals involved are in essence criminals; con-artists of a rather special kind who are part of a mafia-like criminal network. I call them con-artists because their main instrument is deception. Second would be bribery, murder and war are not very far behind.
It is mafia-like in that the bosses rarely if ever do any dirty work, and those who do the dirty work don't even know who the bosses are. The latter is not usually the case in traditional mafia, so in a way it is 'super-mafia'. They are special because they are pulling off the largest scam in history, one that dwarfs all other scams. It's definitely far more powerful than the traditional mafia - in fact it regularly uses the traditional mafia (criminals in general) to do dirty work.
The structure of the organization is very hierarchical and compartmentalized, people know things on a "need to know" basis. The bosses are shielded by plausible deniability.

This infiltration has gone so far that the agencies and much of the government are mostly under control of this network.
There still are good guys in the agencies especially at the lower levels. That's how it can be that agents who are investigating financial ties between rich Arabs and terrorism get their investigations stopped from up high (ie Robert Wright, FBI - http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml).
In the mean time the Bush administration is being quite helpful in "improving" the agencies.

The agencies protect large corporate interests (assets of the bosses) in 3rd world countries typically by staging a military coup when there is a local government that opposed foreign/corporate control over that country and that wants to use the wealth of the nation to improve conditions for its people. United Fruit Company in Guatemala (early 50's) is a classic example. These things are not exceptions - it is what the CIA does. The list is long. See the links that i provided earlier. You don't have to dig very deep to run into the Bush family.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 04:08 PM
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6. Speaking of the devil -
May 12, 2006
The Spies Who Shag Us
The Times and USA Today have Missed the Bigger Story -- Again
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Greg Palast
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/06/05/con06189.html
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=502&row=0

"I know you're shocked -- SHOCKED! -- that George Bush is listening in on all your phone calls. Without a warrant. That's nothing. And it's not news.

This is: the snooping into your phone bill is just the snout of the pig of a strange, lucrative link-up between the Administration's Homeland Security spy network and private companies operating beyond the reach of the laws meant to protect us from our government. You can call it the privatization of the FBI -- though it is better described as the creation of a private KGB."

<more>
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=502&row=0
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:51 PM
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2. RSA Security had an old poster
Edited on Fri May-12-06 12:52 PM by DBoon
I think in the 1980's, that showed s housewife innocently chatting on the phone, with some sinister-looking guys listening with headphones.

The caption read "NSA: We listen to our customers"

And if anyone has a graphic of this poster or knows how to get one PLEASE post!
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