Trashing Dean might be kind of "cute" here. But...let me tell you...

[KoKo]

Dean has done more for the Democratic Party "Grass Roots" than anyone since FDR!

Can I tell you about State Dem Organizations with outdated computers running maybe Win95 with no database to identify Dem voters who have given money to the Dem Party who weren't "High ROLLERS?

Can I tell you about State Dem Party Organizations who didn't even have money to spend on SIGNS to support their Candidates running for Dem positions?

Can I tell you about State Dem Organizations who were totally controlled by what the Repugs told them to be about? IOW's that the Repugs would choose a Dem to run who would be supported by Repug money on "certain key issues?"

Can I tell you about State Dem Organizations who didn't know what a "Database or a Computer" really was?

Can I tell you about how State Dem Party Organizations COULDN'T STAND THE AGITATORS ON THE LEFT....ACTIVISTS CHALLENGING....CHALLENGING.....CHALLENGING...and always hunting them day and night after "SELECTION 2000?"

[KingFlorez]

1. He's done a good job

But him being on the 700 Club was just ridiculous. Criticism is necessary of everyone in the leadership at times.

[AlCzervik]

4. why in the hell did he go on there?

i've not bashed him at all today because i've been watching it unfold but i can't understand why he would validate someone like Pat Robertson and by him being on his way to make shitloads of $$$ disguised as a tv show he did exactly that.

[emulatorloo]

19. same reason he goes on Faux; so they can hear things that need to be heard

Here is what Dean actually said. Boneheaded mistake (which he has taken back) in italics. Stuff that 700 club viewers need to hear in bold.


"The Democratic Party platform from 2004 says that marriage is between a man and a woman," Dean told Robertson. "That's what it says. I think where we may take exception with some religious leaders is that we believe in inclusion, that everybody deserves to live with dignity and respect, and that equal rights under the law are important."

http://365gay.com/Newscon06/05/051106dean.htm

[Maven]

40. This is nonsense.

Please see my post here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1152706&mesg_id=1154189

[emulatorloo]

42. "everybody deserves to live with dignity and respect, & that equal rights"

"everybody deserves to live with dignity and respect, and that equal rights under the law are important" doesn't sound like throwing anybody under the bus. C'mon. I believe that the viewers of 700 club need to hear that, whether they will vote Dem or not.

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[madrchsod]

9. this wobbly thinks clinton did more harm than good

for the working class in america. i will give you the fact that he was the best politician since johnson.

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[madrchsod]

38. i`m not comparing

clinton was a very good politician who knew how to play the game as good as johnson. and like johnson, clinton did things that i can not defend him on-nafta,the last blow to the american middle class that i used to belong to. the iraqi sanctions that caused the deaths of tens of thousands of men ,women,and children. the "devil with the blue dress on" that like it or not and what motives there were to nail him, distracted the nation, the presidency, and the democratic party from the threat of the extreme right wing christians and the neo-con agenda of stripping the country of our constitution. we were distracted by the easy money of the 90`s and we never knew what was going to happen...

[iconoclastNYC]

48. I'd take a good president who gets only one term

Over a mediocre president who gets two terms.

We need a great leader, not a great politician. Unfortunately for our country Clinton was the latter.

[Renew Deal]

14. 1 stained dress

That did more to harm Democrats than anything other Dems have done in recent years.

[KoKo]

22. 1 Stained Dress that cost us.............n/t

[Renew Deal]

23. One of the greatest presidents in history.

A wildly succesful Democratic president. The best president since Ike. Credibility. Moral high groud and many other things.

[deFaultLine]

27. Ross Perot

Without Ross Perot in the 92 election, Clinton would have been a brief footnote in the history books.

But since he did get elected for 2 terms, he did do a fair job of managing things for everyone...Republicans and Democrats alike.

I would just hope he could stay out of national politics in the future, like it or not he is a liability right now. If the Democratic Party is to be revitalized, he needs to stay out of the spotlight as much as possible.

[newyawker99]

43. Hi deFaultLine!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[brentspeak]

34. I've begun to sour on Bill Clinton lately

The more I think about his pushing forth NAFTA and CAFTA, the less I want to think about him.

[LittleClarkie]

30. But with a Dem Party in shambles after he was done

Clinton was pretty good at getting himself elected, but not necessarily other Dems with him.

[charlie]

33. Fuggedaboutit

That chucklehead's been splattering inanities all over the board. He just got iced before he could post what he really thinks about Clinton.

[LittleClarkie]

36. Thanks

No use discussing things with the living dead.

[brentspeak]

37. The trolls who get banned should have their ip addresses listed

under their tombstones. One things trolls don't want, under any circumstances, is for their real names to be known, which might be made possible with an ip address.

[napi21]

3. Every time I see people trashing Dean, I suspect them of being a troll!

I totally support what Dean has done with the Party so far, and he hasn't had that long to do it!

The boys in DC have been trying the same old shit for years now, and they keep failing.

Whats that again when you keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results?????

[KoKo]

13. I hate to admit it...and I try to be fair...but

I kind of agree with you. I wonder how folks who are really involved witht the Dem Party in their individual states could post some of the crap thay do about Dean.

I have to hope that we are getting "newbies" from "FR" and other "RW Sites" who have just had enough...can't take it anymore and have decided to give Dem Underground a try. After all ...when your "ENEMIES can SEE YOU AS A HOPE" then you've WON...

But, still it's upsetting that so many DU'ers don't see the ACTIVISM that DEAN/KUCINICH and NADER INSPIRED!

I look to David Sirota. A POPULIST...cause that's where I fall on the Political Spectrum. I WANT TO LOOK FORWARD AND NOT BACK TO REAGAN...I WANT POSITIVE AND NOT NEGATIVE....I WANT "HOPE!!!" and a PLAN!

[BlueStater]

45. You know, I see this crap all the time on DU and I'm really over it

Just because someone doesn't like the politicians YOU LIKE does not make them a troll or a freeper or whatever the hell you think they are.

I thought Democrats were supposed to be above such smear tactics. I guess not.

[donco6]

46. Didn't you get the memo?

No opposing party leadership for any reason!

Better get with the program, troll. :sarcasm:

[No New War]

5. The point is:

We can't afford to be divided now.

[cpousnret]

6. i don`t doubt dean

i doubt our dem leaders,peslosi and reid,they do not resonate with the people.

[LaPera]

7. Dean is superb!! What assholes want to trash Dean?

Dean says what is needed to be said and only these fucking idiots who watch the MSM must be complaining, because their heads are up their ass, and simply don't have any perception by what's right in fron of them!

I dare the slime to come out of the woodwork!

[Berserker]

26. The (KLU) Kittie lovers united hate Dean

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. That's why it's such a shame

that he sold out.

[last1standing]

11. Dean didn't sell out, he tried to reach out.

He made a pig's breakfast of it, but he wasn't doing it for his own benefit. he was doing it for ours. I may question his actions and his results in this, but never his intention.

[last1standing]

10. I donated to Dean in the primaries.

I voted for him in the primaries, too. I wrote post after post here supporting Dean. I told everyone I could about him and tried to get their support. When he lost and ran for DNC chair I supported him there as well and posted here repeatedly saying what a great job he'd do.

Now his is DNC chair and is doing a fantastic job. He's done more for this party than any other Democrat in the last 20 years, easily. I'm proud to support him.

However, he did make a horrendous mistake in both going on the 700 club and making a false statement about our platform that pissed off a large segment of our base. He should be critisized for that as anyone else should be.

Now he has issued a statement correcting himself and reiterated his support for gay rights. I accept this and hope that others will as well. In the end, he's the best man we could have in this job and very few others would be as supportive of gay rights as Dean.

[KoKo]

32. Nicely said which should help our DU Gay Community understand where

he is coming from...

He's never been against Gay Rights...he just has "qualifiers." Don't all of us with our "Issues Personal to us" have "qualifiers" to get elected?

:shrug:

[madrchsod]

12. i didn`t think much about dean when this all started

but i will admitt that my opinion of him has changed over the last few years and i`m behind him 100%. he`s always spoken out and has offered some hope that we can change the government if we organize the local level. the rabid christian right is organizing across this country as we are sitting here at our keyboards. if we don`t fight back at the local level and control our local elections then as a party we will never win again.

[libnnc]

15. I'm not going to trash him

But I will offer some sharp criticism for what I feel was a bone headed move to try to schmooze votes from a demographic that our party will never win over--at the expense of others who are a little tired of being punted around every election year.

You want to win over the conservative religious folk? Fine then. Talk about ANYTHING but gay/lesbian rights. I just wish Dean had avoided the question all together.

[rodeodance]

17. I do not think it is 'cute"

[LSK]

18. K & R

I cant believe the stupid shit thats going on in DU during the past few days. Its all because Dean misspoke and the DLC is still bitter.

[mod mom]

20. No trashing from me. I think this was partially a set by Rahm and his

DLC buddies in a power grab. I stand with Dean as I stand with the CBC and Feingold.

[xchrom]

21. dean didn't misspeak or make a mistake.

dean let the cat out of the bag for himself when he was on their program.

more, saying that leaving marriage up to the states is leaving my equality to the same fate that beleaguers roe v. wade.

i'm not a True Believer -- that the democratic party has given me anything i haven't for for tooth and nail.

gay folk have made the democratic party move towards them -- not the other way around.

then dean -- just after he fires his ''gay outreach'' folk in a very controversial move for gay folk -- goes on the 700 club and speaks his motherfuckin mind.

and i'm no believer in top down politics -- but there are lot of dems who've worked for a long time in the party who don't agree with your assessment of dean -- or there wouldn't be the disagreements there are.


gay folk are their OWN saviors.

[Cherry Blossom]

24. Look, I don't care about Dean's personal view honestly

I, however, take issue with him misrepresenting the Democratic platform and thus feeding the notion that we don't have genuine positions. He obviously caved under pressure and spouted something (potentially self-incriminating) to pander to that audience. I have no problem with him working to gather christian votes but I do take issue with his decision to compromise. I just can not believe he decided to go on a blatantly biased program and didn't prepare himself for such a question.

[newyawker99]

44. Hi Cherry Blossom!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

25. Him, President Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, I Think They're All Doing A Great Job.

[sweetheart]

28. Dean is the man nt (kr)

[Turn CO Blue]

29. Dean is o-r-g-a-n-i-z-i-n-g the party. That's the ROLE of DNC chair

It's a new concept in DNC chairs, I know, to organize and to actually come up with a multi-state, layered plan and then EXECUTE it -- but it is what he is supposed to do.
Not to mention his kick-butt fundraising!!!!!!


I'm sure it's very confusing and maddening to the Corporo-dems.

[KoKo]

31. Thanks much for spelling it O-U-T! Agree...........

:-)'s

[LSK]

35. and just for the record, wouldnt you have to spend $ to do that???

You know, like hire people, train them, hire lawyers, rent buildings, buy computers/office supplies, pay phone bills etc etc etc

Its not something you do for free.

[Stinky The Clown]

39. Can I get a huge "HOOOOOORAY"

[KoKo]

41. OKAY! A BIG CHEER!!!!!!!!!!!

[savemefromdumbya]

47. Dean is brill

he should have been Prez or VP. I liked the work he did as gov aswell as his work as Chair. Also he hits the nail on the head while the other spineless, wet behind the ears, politicians are too scared to say anything.