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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:33 AM
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Springer leery of impeachment talk
Getting a lot of flak from all sorts of callers.

The vehemence of the callers is like a ray of sunshine in my heart.

Jerry is afraid that it will turn off the undecided voter and energize the republican base.
I think the idea that the center is the key in this election is erroneous. The center has shifted left and the undecided catagory is getting smaller.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:35 AM
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1. We are going to win back the soul of this party...
Hillary and the rest of the fence-sitters are going to have some decisions to make.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:35 AM
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2. If ever our leaders needed a spine it is NOW!
Edited on Mon May-08-06 10:36 AM by ShortnFiery
And yes, Impeachment should also be investigated.

Why are we always reacting to what KKKarl may or may NOT do?

Where has it got us? NADA!

I'm sick of having to tone down because we don't want to step on any centrist toes. Guess what, if we go all out and admit that we will be investigating *, then even if we lose THIS year, come 2008 the word Republican will be equated with evil ---> we will have Congress back.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:37 AM
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3. Undecided voters?
Give me a fucking break! If anyone is still undecided today, they don't deserve the right to vote.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:39 AM
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4. They are playing into Rove's hands by "backing off"
Edited on Mon May-08-06 10:40 AM by ShortnFiery
Makes me wonder "how much" black-mailable information Rove-Co. has on some of our Democratic Leaders?

Playing down IMPEACHMENT is NOT passing the smell test.

People are really giving Jerry a what for.

Poor investor class democrats just can't understand how pissed-off we are at this cabal! :P :puke:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:40 AM
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5. Can you imagine the conversation
Gosh Honey, we've gotten 6 years of pretty bad news about george bush and his lies and the constant stream of ugly news about what republicans have been up to but I'm still undecided about who to vote for. You are right Dear, its such a hard decision to make.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:43 AM
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6. Someone needs to tell Jerry
that all those working class republicans driving large pick-up trucks are sure having second thoughts. Hell, I bet they'd be fired up for IMPEACHMENT on just *'s Oil ties.

Jerry Springer just does not get it. He's too separated from working class people.

Impeachment is one EXCELLENT idea. Even if our classy national Representatives don't want to put this in the forefront, they should no discourage us chattering classes to "play it up."
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:54 AM
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7. In my warped perspective
(which may be in the back of the minds of many republicans) the best thing their party needs now for the long run is a good cleansing series of investigations. If they retain power in 06 and continue to be themselves until 2008, the gop will end up in minority status for years to come. However, rove, bush etc are just living for today and in roves case hoping to stay out of jail. He could not possibly give a lesser fuck about the long term future of the gop.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:00 AM
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9. Yes, it's like watching a slow train wreck
and who's to say that winning The House will make a damn bit of difference with the BushBotBorg entrenched in the Senate, Executive Branch and The Judiciary.

It it tragic, but if people hurt a whole lot more with this cabal in control, come 2008, The Republican Party will be crushed.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:03 AM
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10. My idea is just silly nonsense
If there are any "conservatives" checking in just ignore my posts. Ya'll just keep on supportin the grand ole party. Hell I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm just a wackjob librul. Permanent minority status, what a preposterous idea.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:10 AM
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13. Oh, the ole' ruse for a later ambush -type librul strategy? :-) n/t
Edited on Mon May-08-06 11:10 AM by ShortnFiery
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:59 AM
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8. Springer is really, really bad....
I just can't bear to listen to his mealy mouthed "Well, I see where you are coming from....no, well I see where the other guy is coming from...." wishy washy nature is just excruciating to listen to. I don't like Randi Rhodes one bit but I'd rather someone be a firebrand and steadfast than Springer's "Oh me oh my I don't want anyone to be offended" bit.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:03 AM
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11. Yes, but he means well ...
Jerry is financially sound. It's so much easier to be hyper-objective when you don't have to worry about making a living. But it's not real ... not an understanding of working families.

Anyway, I bet you, like me, will be "calling out for impeachment" regardless of who's in charge. Crying out like voices in the wilderness until the word "republican" will be equated with "evil" come the elections in 2008. :hi:
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:07 AM
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12. I agree with him that Nov 2006 should not be about impeachment
The RW Spin Cycle will roast the Dems if they can get away with tagging us with "Impeachment".

November must be about restoring checks and balances to the government. It's about removing an irresponsible, rubber stamp Repug Congress and replacing it with one which will:

1. Listen to the people.
2. Stop the corruption--now!
3. Restore the middle class.
4. Restore a fair, and accountable voting process.
5. Deal with the various ChimpCo debacles.

After Dems have a majority in January, we can see where all this takes us. If that ends up being impeachment, so be it. However, no party should make impeachment a principal plank. If it was wrong for the Repugs to do it that way with Clinton, it is equally wrong for the Dems to do it now.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:07 PM
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15. And I think every Democratic candidate who goes from door to door in his
district should say, "Hello, I'm _______________, your Democratic candidate, and I'm running to have George W Bush removed out of office. Are you with me?"
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:10 AM
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14. Springer is why I listen to Stephanie Miller.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:14 PM
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16. Amazing how politically timid the master of shock TV
is. Man has no fear when it comes to exploiting dysfunctional people for the masses. But then, again, perhaps the Republicans have provided him with much of his material over the years. He owes them a bit.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:15 PM
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17. Well, it will be spun as "evil, mean Democrats" picking on Bush
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:26 PM
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22. it'll be spun like that even if its not done. that's the beauty of it.nt
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:52 PM
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25. Too true
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:17 PM
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18. He has a point, i'm afraid
in '98 Independents were upset by the Clinton impeachment as was the Democratic base and the result was that the Dems won 10 seats in the House--the first time in decades (if ever) that a presidents party gained ground in the sixth year of his presidency.

That said--Bush deserves to be impeached and I'd be willing to take the chance. Also, this president has done highly impeachable offenses which Clinton didn't.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:20 PM
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20. In '98, the President was enourmously popular
In '06, not so much.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:28 PM
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24. part of the reason for his enormous popularity was the country
felt it was unfair that he was impeached and rallied behind him. I don't see Bush gaining substantial ground if he is impeached. Not with high gas prices.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:19 PM
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19. What ISN'T Springer leery of?
I know that he's probably useful as an entry-level kinda "liberal" talkshow host on AAR, but good god, let's hope that nobody in power in the DNC actually pays him any heed.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:25 PM
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21. too much second-guessing. too much thought. not enough
visceral reaction. not enough emotion. not enough rage.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:27 PM
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23. ever seen his show?
yeah.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:58 PM
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26. not enough breasts and underage girls
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:58 PM
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27. Don't forget the toothless people!
:D
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 01:09 PM
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28. LOL
Edited on Mon May-08-06 01:10 PM by npincus
how about the brother and sister that go BUMP in the night!
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 01:10 PM
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29. LOL
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