Dean Kicked Ass on Steph's show today...

[XOKCowboy]

The video is up on Crooksandliars.com. Delay came on first and was embarrassing. Then Dean came on and really laid the truth on the line. I like the new Democratic strategy if this is it. Or is it just Dean? Either way it was strong and to the point. It talked to a lot of people fed-up with the status quo.

Just my opinion.

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/abc_tw_delay_dean_debate_060507a_320x240.wmv

[serryjw]

1. Embarrassing and a liar

n/t

[XOKCowboy]

2. It was pretty sickening listening to Delay...

With all of his legal problems he had a lot of gall to even appear. He was like a Repug parrot.. "Democratic witchhunt", "tax cuts raise revenue", bwaaak.

[rpannier]

3. Oh, come on...

You almost act surprised.
Dean's kicks ass on every show he's been on.
He kicked ass on wolfie blitzers show -- he also kicked wolfie's ass (figuratively speaking).
I would be curious as to how many pukies are laughing at the Head of Our Party now?

He's raised more money than any previous DNC Chair.
He's spent the money wisely.
He offers no quarter on any show he appears.
He's always ready with the facts and he doesn't try and finese the discussion.


My favorite part is still when George asked Dr. Dean, if the Congressman (a Democrat) should resign if he is indicted and Dean said, "Yes." There was that moment of silence like Stephanopolous was expecting Dean to try and play the weasel and offer an out for the congressman. It didn't happen. I loved it.

[peacetheonlyway]

4. YES and NO.. Dean is turning into milque toast before my very eyes

I've met Dean 3 times, raised hundreds of thousands for him during his Presidential bid,
he called my house once early on for a house party... nobody loves Howard Dean more than me..

but...

and I say this with great wincing.. Dean is listening too much to Donna Brazile, Clinton and other democrats who really don't have a grasp of what the entire democratic base and most of the centrist base really want.

CEMOCRATS & CENTRISTS THEY WANT HONEST GOVERNMENT. And we want our 3 branch government back. This will take tens of years to put back, and years of inappropriately elected judges need to be recalled and forced out of office.. this is ugly work we have to do when we get back into power, repeal the patriot act, change our lending rules to china, modify our piss poor stance in the world, rejoin kyoto, deal with environmental crap that will take eons to straighten out... and leaving IMPEACHMENT OFF THE TABLE, when Nixon was impeached for offences far less offensive, and yet, Bush has done these things:

1. Lie to Congress
2. Lie to the American People
3. Keep people in power that have committed treason (outing a CIA agent, on Rove's part and Libby's part is tantamount to treason)
4. Ignore millions of displaced New Orleans Katrina victims and yet manage to ignore the FEMA debacle and still at this late stage do nothing

Dean contradicts himself several times in his speech and does not answer Stephanopolous directly on the key question about impeachment being on the table. I know Dean's a doctor.. but stop yelling at me about healthcare.... I"m currently not interested in healthcare as much as I"m interested in getting my democracy back.

Tell me Dean, tell me how investigations will help anything? We have all the evidence we need on Bush between Downing Street Memos, the emails and the current Fitzgeral investigations... the investigations are almost over...
indictments are good, but how do you change the kingpin of a corrupt system without impeaching?.. And correct me if I"m wrong but calling for impeachment starts newer deeper investigations... it's the only way... don't assume you don't have the votes.. you do have the votes.. and you must start impeachment proceedings....

I think Dean is listening to some bad consultants.. just like the same mantra he and Kerry and Edwards all had after the election, 'we will do recounts but do not fundamentally think they will change who won the election' come on Dean.. this is strike #2. You can't fool me twice... I know your ex girlfriend... I know how you don't like to tip at restaurants... I know you are fundamentally a good man, but come on... it's time you grow a backbone ... which I know you have...

and say honestly that Bush has committed crimes which make him impeachable... that is the honest way to say it.... it doesn't commit democrats to impeaching but calls a spade a spade..

perhaps colbert or Ray McGovern can give you pointers on confronting a dictator, because I was embarrassed and sad to see you sidestep the key issue of the day... everyone else thinks you bitch slapped Delay, I think you wimped out as you have been since you took the DNC chair.. I see and hear you say diff. things when you stand in Georgia in Melanie's office than what I hear you say on TV.. start speaking the same truth in public and private.....

[madfloridian]

8. He did not play DeLay's game.

That is all they have left...the GOP...to scare their people into thinking we are going to impeach. Thinking people figure we will most likely, but the ones who are acting so hysterical over it are hurting all of us.

Dean did a good job today on a show which had an indicted congressmen before him who was given respect by the interviewer.

You should be ashamed for putting him down like that when we are in a fight for the country.

[peacetheonlyway]

19. not being as bad as the other guys

is not as good as SPEAKING DEAN'S OWN TRUTH
instead of playing diplomat.

Dean believes impeachment is on the table 'after' investigations but just won't say it..

I want Dean to speak the truth he believes in his heart..

I have every confidence that Dean will find his voice before it's too late for our country...

[caledesi]

12. Healthcare is not an important issue to you when 44 million

Americans don't have healthcare. What are you kidding?

[JNelson6563]

13. Hard to believe your claims

of political activity, given your display of cluelessness.

[Cosmocat]

18. WRONG ...

FLAT WRONG to just jump to saying you want impeachment ... It only works for the extreme poles on BOTH sides ... On the left, where people are frothing to the point of their heads exploding in wanting this puke literally hung, and on the extreme right, where they will go into bizarro spin mode to use this stroke "the base ..."

AND, for the record, count me in as one of those who want to see the puke hung ...

BUT, for the 80% of the public that sits between the two extremes, there is the mentality that your are innocent until proven guilty ... WE KNOW this puke is guilty 100 different ways, and so does the vast majority of the public ... They are willing to get to that point AS LONG AS THERE IS DUE PROCESS !!!

As guilty as these clowns are in so many ways, there are people who voted them in, there are people who not as crazed as we are ... And, they just will not accept jumping to talking about impeachment without laying it all out in hearings and investigations ...

Look ... The Ds need to hone the "message" here, but you are playing RIGHT into the Hannity/Russert game when you jump to the meme that people will feel lied to if you don't say the word impeachment ...

AGAIN ...

1) Point out the lack of checks and balances ... No vetos and no investigations in 5 plus years, despite massive budgetary overspending and countless questionable situations and incompetent governance ...

2) Point out that the Ds are committed if they are are voted back into power to doing the job that Congress is constitutionally charged with, to provide checks and balances, which means investigations and hearings into the MANY questionable actions by this administration that the republicans have whitewashed for 5 plus years ...

3) Democrats are committed to rule of law ... The constitution and rule of law will dictate the outcome of any hearings or investigatinos ... Bottom line ... If they did nothing wrong, then they have nothing to fear ... IF they did something wrong, the rule of law will dicated the consequences ... Anyone who is against hearings and investigations is opposed to the rule of law, and the constitution ...

THAT IS THE TRUTH !!!

The Ds just have to get tight with it ...

[peacetheonlyway]

5. Do we need good healthcare in a dictatorship?

the issues are much bigger than Healthcare...

I don't care about your 77 year old mom.. I have a 65 year old mom that is scared to death she picked the wrong prescription plan and as smart as I think I am, I have yet to unravel the crazy may 15th deadline of choices and figure out which one will help my mom not go bankrupt on prescription drugs...

while my mom's affording her drugs are PRETTY DERN IMPORTANT to me... I"m

10 X more interested in turning our nazi police state from one of dictatorship and fascism to one of a true democracy...

impeachment is the only way to return things back to their rightful order.....

[Appalachian_American]

6. People that don't have healthcare might disagree with you.

Some of those people might be Democrats. Do they not count? Are there needs not important? I guarantee you, to some people, healthcare, or the lack thereof, is more important than some of the bigger picture issues.

I'm not saying those bigger picture issues aren't important, but healthcare is not an issue to ignore or diminish.

[madfloridian]

10. The yells for impeachment and voting reform

are getting tremendously loud here. There is nothing we can do right now. Our Dems do speak out on it, but there is nothing they can do.

[peacetheonlyway]

16. My dear friend

this is a lesson in democracies..

WITHOUT RESPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT you have nothing.

right now , we have nothing.

no 3 branch government

no life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

absolutely NO WAY FOR NORMAL CITIZENS TO AFFECT THEIR GOVERNMENT anymore.

This government no longer has a link between the will of the people and the government's actions.

Without this, without honest elections, you can have no democracy...

and things like healthcare, pro-choice rights, gay rights, civil rights, healthcare, etc. they all fall under the root right, the right that is more important than any other right, the right of each citizen to vote... and to choose their electors to make laws on their behalf....

ignore the election fraud people all you want, they are the hardest fighting, most successful group of activists in the country and one day you will have them to thank for restoring your democracy to you... Jon Bonifaz, John Conyers, Barbera Boxer, Bob Fritrakis, many now running for offices (Bob / OH Governor), Bonifaz, SOS/MA, etc...

try reading some history books in how painstakingly thorough our founding fathers were in giving citizens REPRESENTATIVE government and tell me how Sonny Perdue being rigged into office in 2002 will ever listen to the will of Georgians or ever lose his seat because he can be put back on his throne with Diebold machines?

explain how to get healthcare thru that juggernaut, or why we can't subpoena or start impeachment because of a false majority of republicans in both house and senate, put there by election fraud...

[madfloridian]

7. Shame to pour cold water on someone's enthusiasm.

I do care about the 77 year old mother. I care about all the people who are needing health care. May I venture to say they would a hell of lot rather have health care than worry about impeachment right now.

This rage about impeachment is non-productive, we can NOT do anything about it now...we have no subpoena power.

People without jobs and homeless are so stressed out they don't need our Democrats yelling impeachment.

I hate to see someone with just one agenda...election reform or impeachment..jump on threads with such anger.

It discourages people, and it accomplishes nothing at all.

[peacetheonlyway]

17. good thing the founding fathers

when faced with a monarchy did not scream

"we can't do anything about all this unfair taxation without representation"..

good thing.....

[incapsulated]

9. Wow.

You don't care about the elderly unless they are related to you, and even then she isn't all that important, not next to impeaching Bush.

Thank's for the heads-up.

[me b zola]

11. Returning things back to their rightful order....

Returning things back to their rightful order also includes the government institutions returning to assisting the PEOPLE instead of the corporations. It's time to start talking about POLICY.

Look I'm no centrist, I consider myself squarely in the Liberal/Progressive camp, but we are getting down to game time. As it stands now, a large group of puke voters are going to stay at home because they will never vote Dem (they are used to voting against their own interest) and because there is too much evidence that the entire republican party is out of control and is severly damaging this country. What the rw is attempting to do is to find an issue that will send these guys to the polls. I have heard it over & over, their new call to arms; "If the Dems take the House, it will be Speaker Pelosi". This is one of their talking points meant to galvanize the voters who would other wise stay at home in Nov and get them to the polls.

It's game time. Dems will either take the House & Senate in Nov or they won't. When they do (knock on wood) then you can petition the shit out of them to fullfill their Constitutional duty of oversight and they either will or they won't--but what will talking about it now do but help get the pukes to the polls????

[Upfront]

14. Don't Agree

Health care for all is a winning Democrat issue. You have to win the election to do anything. I think they have tried to muzzle Dean but it is not working to well. He did great. I think you may be a rethug.

[peacetheonlyway]

15. My point is that

Healthcare is INCREDIBLY important.

but healthcare will not change or get better when the people cannot
a. elect the officials who can change the healthcare system... without fixing election fraud, you will never get elected officials that represent your deepest desires for better healthcare
b. We need democrat leaders that get to the CORE ISSUES not the fringe issues that will never be fixed unless you address the core issues.

I just spent 2 hours on the phone trying to get my mom signed up for some crazy ass prescription plan and found out she is going from paying tens of dollars to hundreds of dollars on her medication..

it is incredibly important, but not an issue that the masses need fixed.. ignorant as the masses are, the key issue bar none is election fraud and impeachment...

believe whatever else you want, but I'm for impeaching Bush and going back to hand counted paper ballots....