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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:23 PM
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New CNN poll: Should a military general be appointed to head the CIA?

Should a military general be appointed to head the CIA?
Yes
No

http://www.cnn.com/
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:28 PM
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1. Well, just for the record, I voted no.
Should a military general be appointed to head the CIA?

Yes 0%

No 0%

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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:29 PM
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2. hmm - didn't like my vote I guess - still 0 to 0......
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:29 PM
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3. Still not registering any votes.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:33 PM
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8. Still not registering!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:10 PM
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22. there might be a minumum votes before it starts showing
the numbers.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:13 PM
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25. 59% no, 41% yes.
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:30 PM
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4. Now isn't that strange
They didn't like my answer either. No.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:31 PM
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5. voted no
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:31 PM
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6. Pelosi made a good argument against it on MTP and I agree.
So no, not this one (anyway). If you didn't hear or see, she said he's too close and involved with this administration.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:38 PM
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12. He's also MILITARY
and the CIA was created as a civilian agency for a REASON.

The Pentagon has always been outraged that they "lost" the O.S.S. after WWII when the CIA was created, and retaliated by creating their own unweildy spy agency.

Don't forget, the CIA intelligence offices have now lied the US into two disastrous, unwinnable wars: Vietnam and Iraq. Once was a terrible mistake, but twice is the beginning of a very bad habit.

I would be against ANY military man at the head of the CIA. It's too dangerous a combination.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:54 PM
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17. The CIA helped lie us into Vietnam, but if you check the facts,....
...you may find that the CIA was not the intelligence group that lied about WMDs in Iraq. I think you have to point that finger at the NeoCon, Pentagon-based, OSP/OSI led by Feith.

The OSP/OSI was responsible for providing the false intel about Iraqi WMDs that appeared in the intelligence summaries seen by Congress. The only people getting the real data were the top NeoCons in the White House and Pentagon...and they did not want that information to be made public.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:46 PM
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37. Well, "led by Feith" is a misnomer, since Feith is too stupid to
lead anything. Franklin may have done the leading in that office.

Also, Wolfowitz was the architect of the Iraq fiasco.

You're right about the OSP, but it grew out of the Pentagon's spy program with additions from the cabal of neocons who misunderstood geopolitics as thoroughly as Robert MacNamara did 40 years earlier.

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:19 PM
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33. good on her
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:32 PM
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7. Gee. where's the category that says
Not only NO, but FUCK NO!!!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:27 PM
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27. Ain't this a bitch. We got John Negroponte an Iran/Contra convict
As the head honcho of all intelligence.

Why not this guy...for Goss's job?
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:35 PM
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9. Still 0/0 as of 2:33 pm Eastern n/t
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:38 PM
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11. Mine registered
I don't remember exactly the breakdown. Something like 45 % yes and %5o something percent no.
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Astrad Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:37 PM
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10. Depends
If it's a general like Wesley Clark, yes. If it's a civilian like John Bolton, no.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:40 PM
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13. No!
Should a military general be appointed to head the CIA?

Yes 45%

No 55%
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:44 PM
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14. Moot point. Several senior officers have served as DCI in the past....
<http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/cia/>

Directors of Central Intelligence (DCI):
---------------------------------------
*Rear Adm. Sidney W. Souers
*Lt. Gen. Hoyt S. Vandenberg
*Rear Adm. Roscoe Hillenkoetter
*Gen. Walter Bedell Smith
Allen Dulles
John McCone
*Vice Adm. William Raborn, Jr.
Richard Helms
James R. Schlesinger
William Colby
George HW Bush
*Adm. Stansfield Turner
William Casey
William Webster
Robert Gates
R. James Woolsey
John Deutch
George Tenet
Porter Goss
*Gen. Michael Hayden (if confirmed)<http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5746>
====================

The real question is, do we want the new DCI to have also been the Director of the NSA when illegal electronic surveillance of all Americans was being conducted?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:45 PM
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29. That's a fair argument, but I have to say I have NEVER liked a
uniform in that job, ever.

I just think it's not a good idea. The military has a role, and they even have an intelligence role, as do the other intelligence services. And the military intelligence services should always have a dual track in order to feed into a civilian controller. Civilian services should never feed into a military overseer. It just doesn't pass my smell test.

The military should be an INSTRUMENT of policy. They shouldn't be making it.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:51 PM
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38. I wonder if Bush is consolidating power
and getting ready to clamp down on our liberties even more???
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:45 AM
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52. Probably a safe bet--I saw Cheney on tv with Campbell Brown this
morning, saying he ain't stepping down, he's not going anywhere.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:51 AM
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46. Oh, I agree 100%. I don't even like military guys as CIA Deputy.....
...Director, and we've had a bunch of them, too.

I notice that some high-level GOP resistance is being generated, too.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:45 PM
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15. No!! nt
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:46 PM
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16. I noticed the poll didn't
specify active duty or retired.

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biscotti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:56 PM
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18. No 58%
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:57 PM
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19. Done n/t
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:58 PM
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20. 2:46 PM 45 % yes.55% NO.The CIA was founded in 1947 as a handling agency
Edited on Sun May-07-06 01:59 PM by flordehinojos
for Nazis absorbed into the U.S. Military Industrial Complex.

just a fact about the CIA I learned today.



1947: CIA FOUNDED AS HANDLING AGENCY FOR NAZIS ABSORBED INTO U.S. MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX: In 1947, Rockefellers' lawyer/spy Allen Dulles brought 2000 Nazi scientists into the US (OPERATION PAPERCLIP), to run NASA's rocket program and chemical/ biological weapons programs. In West Germany, Dulles hired Hitlers' master spy Reinhart Gehlen to revive the SS spy agency as the Gehlen Org., which became West Germanys' spy agency BND. Dulles gave Gehlen $200 million in US taxdollars over 10 years to rehire thousands of Nazi SS and GESTAPO veterans, allowing the Nazis to organise underground networks called ODESSA and DIE SPINNE (the spider). These networks created The RATLINE, an escape route to Argentina for thousands of Nazi war criminals sought by Israel, Russia, France etc.. These included notorious Nazis like Adolph Eichmann, Joseph Mengele, Otto Skorzeny, Walther Rauff and Klaus Barbie, who worked for the CIA-BND as advisers to the dictators of Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay and Bolivia, running torture centers, death squads and cocaine rings. IN 1947 HENRY KISSINGER SERVED AS GERMAN TRANSLATOR IN ARMY INTELLIGENCE, to help Dulles set up these secret networks. He personally "interrogated" many of the top Nazi prisoners held by the US Army, who were absorbed into the CIA-BND. (see: The CIAs worst kept secret, by M. Lee, under Archived article "Nazi echo" at http://www.consortiumnews.com ) In 1952 Dulles ordered SS comando Skorzeny to bring 200 Nazis to Egypt as military advisors to Abdul Nasser in his war with Israel (see: Postwar Arab links to the ODESSA network, at http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/nazis_postwar_egypt.htm ).

DULLES BEGAN THE CIA POLICY OF COUP D'ETATS, IN WHICH DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS WERE REPLACED BY MILITARY DICTATORSHIPS. as follows:


more at: http://zyx.org/DEATHSQUAD.htm



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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:19 PM
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35. CIA - Filthy organization. Should be "re-purposed" --
like maybe in charge of Parks & Rec across the nation.

;-)
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 07:42 AM
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49. that seems to be where we are headed ...
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:05 PM
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21. its not so much A general as much as THIS particular general.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:11 PM
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23. voted 3:16
Should a military general be appointed to head the CIA?

Yes 41% 629 votes

No 59% 915 votes
Total: 1544 votes

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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:11 PM
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24. What is Bush up to???
First, I look at EVERY move Bush makes as having an ulterior motive. Nothing with him is ever what it appears, so we must look for all the possibilities of his 'real' motives.

So, why does Bush and friends want not only a military man but the one who developed and ran the NSA domestic spying operation in charge of the CIA???

I would say this is about the most dangerous move Bush has made and it is another link in making sure his martial law takeover in 2008 goes smoothly.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:14 PM
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26. Needs help people
Yes 41% 629 votes
No 59% 915 votes
Total: 1544 votes
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RedG1 Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:31 PM
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28. 3:30pm Eastern...
Yes 40% 1030
No 60% 1516
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:12 PM
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30. 1812 EST 62% no 38% yes.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:14 PM
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31. Is it even legal?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:15 PM
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32. recommended by the way
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:19 PM
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34. Done. 63% no
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:31 PM
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36. Done... No still at 63%
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 08:12 PM
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39. I think I'll pass on this one
Edited on Sun May-07-06 08:12 PM by Jack Rabbit
If I said Yes, it would be with the proviso that he not be on active duty but otherwise would not have a problem with it.

But, more to the point, my answer would still be: Yes, but not General Hayden.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 08:14 PM
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40. Wait a minute- Hayden will at least retire from the military before
assuming his spot at the CIA, yes? I mean- we aren't THAT far into fascist land yet are we?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 08:20 PM
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41. Per Cent split about the same as support for Bush nationwide:
Should a military general be appointed to head the CIA?

Yes

37%
8395 votes

No

63%
14589 votes
Total: 22984 votes

Not that Bush's White House gives a damn.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 09:15 PM
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42. 64/46
I don't think most people realize that CIA is not a military agency.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 09:45 PM
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43. 36% yes -- n/t
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 09:59 PM
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44. enod Y-36 N-64 Total: 29237
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:46 AM
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45. done
thanks
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:07 AM
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47. Did it. No, 65%. Thanks.
Should a military general be appointed to head the CIA?

Yes_______ 35% _______ 13641 votes

No________ 65% _______ 25762 votes

Total: 39403 votes

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:57 AM
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48. no...65% 35% ...yes
Should a military general be appointed to head the CIA?

Yes 35% 14584 votes

No 65% 27580 votes
Total: 42164 votes

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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:24 AM
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50. 64% No - 36% Yes n/t
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:28 AM
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51. Only if he is a brilliant, flexible General, like Wesley Clark nt
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:29 AM
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53. IT'S BEEN PULLED!!!!!!!!!!!
New poll: where do you get most of your news?
Newspapers 0%
Internet 0%

:wtf:
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