I found this intriguing, and wanted to get your thoughts

[CatWoman]

Told You CIA Officers Would Retaliate
by: tcuoohjohn 05/05/06 11:48 pm
Msg: 10490 of 10517
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For Plame. It is a matter of honor with them. It was just a question of time and tactics. Fvck with the CIA and they never forgive and they never forget. In this case it was quick. All they had to do was wait for Goss or one of his cronies to do something criminal. It took ten months. The Goss regime was wiped out in a single stroke.

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138469&tid=apwhitehouseshakeup&sid=37138469&mid=10490&um=50&.sig=pRC1dWQQsXO01eqhynR8tg--

I feel sooooooooo giddy :)

[acmavm]

1. Do you think this is true? Could the good guys in the CIA have really

pulled this off? Are there enough left or is there outside help? I know that it would be speculation but revenge for outing Plame is not one of the major reasons that you see for Goss being unceremoniously bounced out the door by the seat of his pants.

[CatWoman]

3. here's his follow up

Re: Told You CIA Officers Would Retalia
by: tcuoohjohn 05/05/06 11:55 pm
Msg: 10521 of 10542

Goss was sent to the CIA to sit on them and the fractious midlevels. Going after Goss was asymmetrical bureaucratic warfare. Goss was a White House Instrument. Plame was a White House effort. QED Goss gets it in the neck. So will anyone else involved in the Plame Affair. CIA Honor demands it.

[Us vs Them]

5. I doubt there are any good ones left.

And if so are not in a high enough position to get away with blackmail.

[rucky]

6. I'm thinking the CIA is split...

between brilliant patriots and brilliant psychopaths... about 50/50.

hopefully the good guys win.

[Rose Siding]

2. There's still a fire under that frying pan

(CNN) Officials: General to head CIA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2266800

But seeing Goss out on his ear is good for one of these :toast:

[CrazyOrangeCat]

4. Yep, they messed with the ones . . .

. . . that'll put a bullet in your head if they're so inclined.

Not. Too. Smart.

[CatWoman]

8. what kills me is that Poppy was once head of the CIA

Therefore, I find Bush's actions and tactics completely boneheaded, petty, vicious and just plain sleazy.

How the fuck did he live under the roof of the CIA head and know not to fuck with those guys?

The fucker must have really fried his brain on coke. It seems he went thru live in a fog.

[Us vs Them]

10. No way man, he's the Prez.

He's obviously got the power, politics, and the SS on his side. It's truly a battle between the dark forces.

[CatWoman]

13. I don't understand your post

he supposedly ("the prez) had the CIA too, didn't he?

something else my eloquent friend posted:

Who's The Most Powerful InFoggy Bottom?
by: tcuoohjohn 05/06/06 12:01 am
Msg: 10546 of 10596
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The Bureaucracy... Offend their sensibilities and they will slowly bleed you to death with a thousand leaks.

Every President comes to the Presidency believing he can control the Bureaucracy. He leaves understanding he may not have controlled anything.

[Us vs Them]

16. Sorry. It's no doubt he fucked with them...

but as the President, he's got basically the whole party (or what's left of them) to keep him out of trouble - or at least protect him both politically and physically. Goss was obviously a 'temporary' head of the CIA, shakeouts of dissident viewpoints within the agency withstanding - it would still be nearly impossible what with loyalists still within the system.

[CatWoman]

18. LOL

I'm quite sure Julius Caesar felt that way, too.

[Us vs Them]

20. haha

Ok. Good point.

It's nice to have hope, right?

[calimary]

21. CatWoman, EVERY kind of bush action and tactic - on ANY matter

under the sun is completely boneheaded, petty, vicious and just plain sleazy. Whether it involves meddling with the CIA or anything else he touches.

It's probably a combination of his fried brain AND a growing sense of arrogance fueled by having gotten away with every sleazy, shitty little stunt since he first plugged a firecracker into a frog's mouth when he was a kid. He's gotten away with EVERYTHING in his life, leaving somebody else to pick up the pieces, pay the bills, clean up the mess, disappear the documents, and make the excuses. He's a one-man wrecking crew. And up til now, it's ALWAYS worked for him. It's only NOW that things are starting to become so openly and glaringly fucked up on such an unbelievably colossal scale - indeed a GLOBAL scale - that he can't run and hide from it so easily anymore. There's just too damned much that smells too damned bad by now (exhibit A: the polls). But up til only recently, that template was always what worked. And it always has worked. So why change now? Only - now, things are changing around him, and they may be too enormous for anybody to fix at this point.

[CatWoman]

23. great post, Calimary

:hi:

:applause:

[madrchsod]

22. from this morning

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1111317&mesg_id=1111317
Democratic Underground - well i bet poppy bush has a big smile on his face

i hate to think what the going on between poppy and his wife..."he`s your son"!! "no he`s your son"!!

[CrazyOrangeCat]

27. Maybe there's some weird . . .

. . . passive agressive shit directed at Poppy.

Who knows.

I'm inclined to agree that he's just a dipshit who fried his brain with world-class blow.

[tocqueville]

7. partial answer here same thread

"Goss was sent to the CIA to sit on them and the fractious midlevels. Going after Goss was asymmetrical bureaucratic warfare. Goss was a White House Instrument. Plame was a White House effort. QED Goss gets it in the neck. So will anyone else involved in the Plame Affair. CIA Honor demands it. "

the WP article about Goss gives the same picture

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/05/AR2006050501738.html

[eleny]

9. But now it could get worse

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2266800

[Ksec]

11. Yep, its all unraveling

and I love it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

12. The CIA is not done yet....they intend to have all of the NeoCons removed.

[CoffeeCat]

19. Please tell me that's true...

Oh, I can't think of anything that would be more joyful or awesome---the CIA bringing down the punk PNACer, Neocon scum buckets.

That's the stuff of dreams.

Most of us--who are certainly not in DC's inner circles--understand about PNAC. You can bet that all of the CIA understands, and knows horrific details about their agenda--that we can only imagine. I always wondered---where's the frickin Calvary? Where are the people who should be stopping these thugs? Maybe, these people have been quietly working behind the scenes for a while now--spinning the webs and setting the traps.

Maybe, the PNAC house of cards is about to fall?

[madrchsod]

25. remember they brought down brewster-jennings

which must have destroyed most of the cia network of contacts in the middle east and destroyed the trust of every intelligence agency in that region. god only knows how many people may have died or tortured as a result of this.
the cia maybe a bunch of really bad guys but they are supposed to stop other really bad guys from hurting the united states. the whitehouse decided that they were more important than the country. silly me, i thought that was treason.

[CoffeeCat]

28. If the WH destroyed much of the CIA's Middle East...

networks and contacts--then they obviously did this for a reason.

They destroyed all of those information-rich contacts--because this administration is attempting to hide their crimes and the disastrous results of their policies.

That was no mistake then---if that's what they did. For years now--Bush has been relying more on technology and cutting the number of agents in Mid East countries. Maybe that wasn't the misstep of a buffoon. He probably figures that if we have our own people over there--discovering the truth--then his evil plans and crimes could be outed. Can't have that, now can we?

If Plame was outed to eventually bring down Brewster/Jennings--then it's possible that all of this "Let's get back at Joe Wilson" stuff is all a big smokescreen.

Be afraid, America. Be very afraid.

[madrchsod]

14. i knew as soon as they started on their world tour last year

that they were out to get the whitehouse. the "retired" guys toured europe explaining the cia role in the lead up to the war with the intell...heard an ex-agent on bbc overnight..ya they are pissed. i wrote this morning that poppy bush had a big smile on his face today...payback is like fine wine.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

29. very, very interesting post n/t

[CoffeeCat]

15. Interesting...

Is this person saying that the "decent" people at the CIA set up Goss, in some way? For example, they discovered he was involved in something illegal/scandalous and they blackmailed him into resigning?

That's interesting.

There are many people inside the CIA, who are very unhappy with how ineffective the CIA is. In addition, there are many seasoned CIA professionals who watched as Goss "retired" amazing CIA employees--because they weren't Bushbots.

Additionally, Junior blamed the CIA for "bad intelligence" and I'm sure many at the CIA are pissed as hell about that. Everyone knows that the CIA tried to tell Bush and his cronies that there was no WMD and that there was no Iraq/Al Queda link. They all knew that he cherry-picked the intelligence. Then, Junior blames his own lies on them.

I bet there are MANY who are pissed.

I suspect that if Goss was caught in some scandalous situation--that we'll hear more details. If someone hates him enough to set him up and get him fired--of course those same people are going to want the humiliating details made public.

Should be interesting.

BTW--I don't believe the reasons for Goss' departure--as spun by the WH. Not for a minute. Their explanation hardly makes sense.

[Us vs Them]

17. I agree with this comment.

Interesting indeed.

[Bill Bored]

24. One thing people forget: Sen. Bob Graham had good things to say

about Goss. And Graham has no love for the Bushies at all! Unless he was just being diplomatic, it may not be a good thing that Goss is out.

Let's see if the hapless Senate Dems confirm Hayden. They've given Bush everything else he's asked for, haven't they?

[Peace Patriot]

30. I'm with you, Bill Bored. Wait and see. Hayden is tied to Negroponte

(death squads, assassinations in Latin America, Iran/Contra--and the Bush junta has got to be agitated by the beautiful, peaceful, democratic, leftist revolution that is sweeping South America--and desire to turn it into carnage and dictatorships).

Then there's Rumsfeld. A disgraced, stupid, discredited CIA Director suits him just fine. He's running his own shop--torture, renditions, secret prisons, black ops. Rumsfeld is the one behind the Darth Vader mask. (Cheney is so obvious.) Bad, bad dude.

Could be payback by the CIA (against the WH for Plame/Brewster-Jennings, and Goss the Purger), aside from Rumsfeld's evil games. We don't know enough yet. There's also Traitorgate. I've been wondering about that. 'White hat' CIA at the heart of that case.

I don't know if CIA top clowns frolicking with prostitutes at the Watergate is necessarily a good exposure, even if it does embarass the Humpty-Dumpty WH, and involve a lot of Republicans.

[no_hypocrisy]

26. I know it's fiction, but in "Hopscotch", veteran agent Miles Kendick took

out his boss who more or less fired him for insubordintation and then wrote a novel about the CIA. Kendick was incensed by the lack of appreciation for his experience and his service, and the incompetence of political appointees who end up running the Agency.