We have to stop Hayden being CIA head

[mandyky]

you know, Gen. Hayden of eavesdropping fame. If he's nominated, and the Senate confirms him, Democracy is toast.

[rodeodance]

1. Hayden is a buddy of Negroponte. If he wants him he will get him.

[mandyky]

2. If we want any oversight of Intelligence Operations

and any truths told about what is being done, Hayden would be a disaster.

[Disturbed]

6. Majority of Dems voted for Mr. Death Sqaud Negroponte.

Do you think the majority would oppose his Gestapo buddy?

[ConsAreLiars]

3. So your advice is to lie down and enjoy it?

Passive acceptance? Or were you intending to imply something else.

[mandyky]

4. I thought the same thing

such a matter of fact post. If that is what Dems in the Senate do, we be fucked!

[rodeodance]

7. of course not, i have never advocated that. Perhaps I am just

tired of it all tonight. sometimes it seems so hopeless. I constantly write letters and call and it seems to go nowhere. sorry for the pessimissm tonight.

[ConsAreLiars]

14. Apologies. It IS frustrating.

Makes me cranky, as you noticed. The Democratic Party has been so "prone" to lie down, at least large parts of it, when it comes to signing on to appointments like this one rather than taking a stand, that it just hit me badly.

[rodeodance]

22. keep well.

[WilliamPitt]

8. "So your advice is to lie down and enjoy it?"

Um..."we have to stop this!" isn't much of a plan.

Do you have the numbers of the concerned committee members handy? A list of defined reasons for why he should not be appointed? A way to overcome the GOP majority? A list of GOP members who could be swayed?

You claim passive acceptance. In you, I see a demand for action...from someone else, as you haven't provided a plan or means.

[mandyky]

10. Well, we can't do anything until he is nominated

I was just saying, if he is nominated, we best stop it.

Maybe it would be easier to just impeach Bush and everyone in the administration.

I gave the one reason - domestic eavesdropping. That's enough for me.

[ConsAreLiars]

16. The only "action" that occurred to me was the usual

constituent message to my Congressman, who won't need it because he is an honest progressive, and my two Senators (also Dems), one of whom is likely to fight if the Party Leadership allows it, while the other will probably vote with Lieberman.

The frustration being expressed is what happens when "our representatives" are a minority within a minority party and the party as a whole has been either complicit or useless when it comes to leading any resistance.

[radio4progressives]

5. when i heard hayden was the possible choice..

i realized this "buzz" over porter goss was the deception operation, the CIA is best known for..

this is the real issue people, not hookergate, or turf battles in the cia... it's the completion of permentley destroying our rights forever.

something Senator Feingold was trying to prevent with his Censor resolution, the very thing most everyone on DU poo poohed.

it's all over now folks.. nothing that happens in november will have any meaning at all as far as the restoration of our democracy is concerned, it will not happen i don't give a damn how many freaking "investigations" and hearings are conducted.

it's over and we let it happen. shame on every single one of us.

[WilliamPitt]

9. You're right. I quit. Gonna go register as a Republican

and then light my head on fire.

[rodeodance]

11. hi Will, sure hope you do not do this. what a loss that would be.

[Disturbed]

12. No need to light you head on fire Will.

If you register Rethug your head will be full of a mix of piss and shit and your grey cells cease to function.

[radio4progressives]

19. is that a promise or threat?

could have sworn i saw you announce that before...guess i shouldn't have taken it at face value then, we all know how literal you are anyway.

[WilliamPitt]

23. Could have sworn, eh?

"It has been said by many long-time posters that the healthiest thing one can do from time to time is take a break from this place. I seldom do, and when I have tried in the past, I always get sucked back in. But I think the time has come for a real one."

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/WilliamPitt

Dated last Saturday. Today is Friday. A nice week's break, as 'announced' in post #72 of a large thread.

Careful what you swear oaths on, friend. You stand the chance of looking the fool. But, of course, you know this already from experience.

[acmejack]

13. I don't see how we could stop him.

he will glide in with no opposition, I share your concerns. The idea of the NID itself makes me very uncomfortable, the idea of Mr. Negroponte as the NID is outright terrifying. Negroponte solidifies his grip on intelligence Talk about terror...

edit I typed this in reply to Mandyky's OP I was interrupted by a pizza delivery (hey, any excuse is better than none!) when I posted it and hit view all I was amazed by all the responses on a Friday night.

[speedoo]

15. I don't follow your thinking.

You have an eavesdropping program that he designed, that has been under great criticism. He showed ignorance of the fourth amendment in discussing it.

You have a president whose ratings are in the tank. You have in Negroponte a man who has done nothing but reduce our intelligence capability and trample on the privacy rights of citizens.

If you are basing your opinion on the ineffectiveness of the "loyal opposition" that's one thing, but I see plenty to dispute your "glide in with no opposition" assertion.

[acmejack]

18. I suppose I am expecting another 97-3 debacle

I should have used a qualifier such as "substantial", as I know our stalwarts will certainly oppose him. Feingold, Boxer, Harkin. I will fall out of my desk chair (it has arms) if it went 90-10.

[speedoo]

20. Plenty of dems will oppose him.

I'll be shocked if 10 or more dems support him.

Why would dems support him?

[acmejack]

24. An excellent question!

Why would they support the Bankruptcy Bill? The Patriot Act? I'll accept Roberts, he is indisputably smart as hell, and an acceptable choice. Now Alito? Thanks for that dry powder! You know I have no earthly idea of what these guys will do anymore.

[speedoo]

25. I like to think a corner has been turned.

And that most of the senate dems no longer fear the WH on national security matters. So all who marginally supported those votes you cited, are now much more likely to vote no.

[acmejack]

28. May you be correct!

Nothing could make me happier.

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. Ah, another "we've got to stop X from Y or democracy is toast" thread

Good luck with that.

[radio4progressives]

21. Mark Crispen Miller makes evident DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA IS DEAD PEOPLE

It is POSSIBLE to restore it. But not if we have a bunch of lame assholes poo poohing efforts for anyone to take action NOW - but no.

the meme goes, "we can't do anything meaningful until we win back congress in 06" "wait until November" then we can do something.

that is the prescription for certain FAILURE. It's not only wrong headed, it's actually insane.

and yes, Democracy is dead in America as the 2000 elections, and the 2002 and 2004 elections have demonstrated. But some people absolutely refuse to deal with the core issues that effected past elections, which is akin to the Bush administrations strategy for Iraq.

The dictim, "continuing on the same course and expecting different results is insane" applies. So the question remains to be answered very seriously, why continue on this course of make believe and fantasy?

[Disturbed]

26. I do not understand the "Keep the powder dry" concept..

Dems should all oppose the RW appointees that are detrimental to America and RW Bills that screw over non-elite Americans. Aren't Dems spozed to be the Opposition to the Neo Fascists?

[radio4progressives]

27. Apparently not..

only a handful actually demonstrate true "opposition" to this fascist regime.. problem is, too many rank and filers fall for the powder dry meme as if the november '06 elections were a guaranteed victory, and that is some sort of magical date that we'll see the real thing in action. You know, kind of like 2004 was.

[mandyky]

29. Here's the link to the Senate Intell Committee

http://intelligence.senate.gov/

Pat Roberts (R) - Chairman
John D. Rockefeller, IV (D) - Vice Chairman

DeWine, Snowe, and Hagel may be reachable on the (R) side.
All the Dems look like they could object if we start calling them.

See the members - http://intelligence.senate.gov/members.htm