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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:00 AM
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Stephen Colbert and the Death of "The Room"
Was he funny or not? Days after Stephen Colbert performed at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, this has become the political-cultural touchstone issue of 2006—like whether you drive a hybrid or use the term "freedom fries."

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But I think that the people who said Colbert bombed reveal less about their political leanings than about their understanding of the media culture we live in now. The reason they think he flopped, of course, is that he didn't get many big laughs in the room.

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In other words, what anyone fails to get who said Colbert bombed because he didn't win over the room is: the room no longer matters. Not the way it used to. The room, which once would have received and filtered the ritual performance for the rest of us, is now just another subject to be dissected online.

http://time.blogs.com/tuned_in/2006/05/stephen_colbert.html?promoid=rss_tuned_in

The room may have died...but the buzz lives on :headbang:
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:03 AM
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1. Colbert got loud laughs during the first half,
and if the laughs were quieter as he hit Bush harder during the second half, whatever.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:08 AM
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3. Colbert would have given the same performance
whether they laughed or whether they tried to boo him off the stage.

The many people who expected light-hearted entertainment got scathing political commentary instead. He was 100% alone up there. It takes some serious confidence and talent to do what he did.
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WhoWantsToBeOccupied Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:39 AM
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26. Some Americans need a laugh track to tell them what's funny
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:08 AM
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2. Just like the WH press briefings....
It isn't the room, per se, but the broadcast opportunity from the room that matters anymore. In both the dinner and the briefings, the other humans in "the room" are just extras.
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:17 AM
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4. He was a lot funnier...
...than the other two guys who look alike doing their comedy routine.

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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:20 AM
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5. It was a tough room, as comics say.
But he was brilliant.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 09:12 AM
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25. Yup
Diverse crowds, especially when there is discord on the subject matter itself, are a tough nut to crack. Didn't matter one iota.
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:25 AM
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6. He got a lot of big loud laughs in OUR FAMILY ROOM!
The real room is out here. In TV land.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:25 AM
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7. Yeah...."those WMD have got to be in here somewhere" is WAY funnier.
:sarcasm:
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:36 AM
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8. Bill Hicks one of America's greatest comics played tough rooms
He didn't give a fuck if they didn't get it at that time.
Watch him and listen to the crowd he was 15-20 ahead of his time.

Andy Kaufman also went "too far" to social niceties, sometimes it takes time to understand a true artist's work.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:38 AM
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9. It was a skewed crowd.
He hit at the fact the media is lapdogs for Bush and power. Mostly useless shills who should just use spellcheck. Some have a hard time laughing at oneself. In fact, I thought the speech hilarious, but was in sorta shock mode that in this thought controlled society, anyone could say that . The question might be, what kind of humor was this. Slapstick like Bush performs or something far more internal that requires digestion. Such types of humor brings about different responses.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 02:39 AM
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10. I believe C-span altered the audio.
I watched an ABC tape of Colbert's entire presentation. There is laughter throughout, even at some of the harshest jokes. I believe the public has been hoodwinked by some audio tricks. Wouldn't be the first time!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:34 AM
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14. Kinda like the volume control in the skit n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:54 PM
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29. Shame on c-span
then!
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 02:49 AM
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11. the room, that's us
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 03:02 AM
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12. Not one single WORD he uttered was FUNNY. It was tragic & horrific that
our nation must resort to a teevee personality to look the US president dead in the eye and tell him point blank what an atrocious, treasonous, lying, corrupt, criminal, cheater, thug, mass murdering, genocidal, homicidal war criminal he is.

It's NOT funny that the media ever present in the room was and REMAINS part and parcel of and the very epitome of what is wrong with the USA under its present day regime.

There was no humor in rubbing the presidents' and the media's face in the endless piles of shit they've festered and fostered on the rubble of what was once known as America and the US Constitution.

And I applaud Stephen Colbert for having the guts to look these pathetic excuses for human beings right in the eye and telling them exactly what they should have heard since November 2000.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:57 AM
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16. My point exactly..
... it's easy to make comedy out of stuff that's really funny, there is nothing funny about what is happening to our country and the reasons why.

I find the whole question of "was it funny"? to be ridiculous. Yes, it was funny at times but who gives a crap. It's purpose was NOT to make anyone laugh.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 09:07 AM
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23. He never would have been able to do it without the guise of "comedy"
and that's what is so remarkable about it.

If he had just gone into a rant he would have been pulled from the stage. He not only got the point across, but by presenting it so cleverly he made everyone listen to the whole...f*cking...thing.

Bravo.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:53 PM
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28. ZING!
It was an AMAZING time in history..the Plantets and Stars were aligned just right!
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:44 PM
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35. That’s why it’s one greatest American speeches of all time

My personal favorite:

And as excited as I am to be here with the president, I am appalled to be surrounded by the liberal media that is destroying America, with the exception of Fox News. Fox News gives you both sides of every story, the president's side and the vice president's side.

But the rest of you, what are you thinking, reporting on NSA wiretapping or secret prisons in Eastern Europe? Those things are secret for a very important reason: They're super-depressing. And if that's your goal, well, misery accomplished.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 09:10 AM
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24. radwriter0555 I couldnt agree more.
and everyone in that room should be told this to their faces. If it wasnt for the assistance from the MSM we wouldnt be in this mess now. The MSM is complicit in bringing this chickenhawk sissy brat to power and enabeling him to stay in office IMO!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 03:09 AM
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13. I first realized this when Bush made his Iraq pitch to the UN...
I expected him to give a more adult and measured presentation than his cartoonish one here, but he gave the nearly identical one met by stony silence.

He wasn't playing to that audience though. He was playing to the knuckledraggers here, just as he was when he told the Palestinian PM God told him to strike Iraq and Afghanistan. Or in that last example he is just fucking insane.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:53 AM
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15. Who knew terrorists would fly airplanes into the WTC towers?
Who knew Colbert would use brutal sarcasm to lampoon the media and the Bush administration?

See the pattern?
When you live in a closed bubble that excludes anything that doesn't fit into your imaginary world, where reality and common knowledge is ignored, you're bound to have trouble seeing the obvious.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 07:05 AM
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17. Maybe some people are so used to watching TV with...
Edited on Thu May-04-06 07:06 AM by Crankie Avalon
...the canned laughtrack acting as their cue for when they are supposed to find something funny that they've lost the ability to discern humor for themselves.

I think people who can think for themselves and who don't have a reason to feel threatened by anything Colbert was saying found him always on target and often hilarious.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 07:58 AM
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18. good perspective - the 'room' no longer matters
Colbert is brilliant
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bedazzled Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 08:03 AM
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19. i didn't laugh so much at what he said as from happiness he was saying it
it was amazing to hear clear and honest commentary on some of the atrocities this cabal has perpetrated. i admit that the subject matter in itself was kind of somber. colbert said things that most of us always wanted to say about the abominations we have endured.

i laughed because the bushes were a captive audience and looked unhappy, which makes me happy. i laughed because the freepers would be unhappy, which makes me happy.

and i enjoyed the delivery, which was flawless and exquisite. echoes of mark twain and will rogers danced in my head!

i am still smiling after all this time. thanks, mr. colbert
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:56 PM
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31. Yeah, I was smiling from
ear to ear! Welcome to DU, bedazzled!
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bedazzled Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:16 PM
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34. why thank you! i lurk a lot
but don't have much to say, usually!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 08:08 AM
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20. "The Room" wasn't the audience, but the target. We are the audience
and indeed, the Room is dead, long live the audience!

Bush's routine at the dinner was "Ain't it funny how dumb I am?"

Colbert's routine was "It's not funny how dumb you are."


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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 08:37 AM
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21. He's the Buzz Here, Still.
And always will be our new folk-hero.

Watched last night. Hope his show stays on. And it was the lack of laughs that was the most telling. Very significant and won't be ignored. Just take a look at how many have thanks him.

:thumbsup: to Colbert.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 08:38 AM
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22. To me, he was fuckin' hilarious all the way through
He is America's newest hero.
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librarycard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:45 PM
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27. I enjoyed the ridicule of Bush's insane policies
but ultimately, Colbert's skit was comic tragedy.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:55 PM
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30. The room was filled with Bushbots.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:58 PM
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32. Well, the fool wasn't all that funny in King Lear
But he was the guy that knew what was really going on, and wasn't afraid to say so.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:59 PM
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33. It's absurd that they could call it a flop
when it's one of the most downloaded videos on the net for the past week. How often does the footage of the WHCD have heavily downloaded footage? It was on C-SPAN, for God's sake! The average American doesn't even know what channel C-SPAN is! And it made the internet news! Some flop!
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cushla_machree Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:15 PM
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36. no kidding!
Since when do ANY of us care about the speeches at the white house correspondents dinner! WE DON'T

According to Dana Milbank of The Washington Post, Colbert "was not funny," but the president's routine that night with a Bush impersonator was a 'howl.' You know what was also funny? When bush laughed about those missing WMDs. Now that is comedy!

I am curious though, Mary matalin said, "Because he is who he is, and everyone likes him, I think this room thought he was going to be more sophisticated and creative."

So just exactly what were they expecting? That he would tell some politically correct jokes and move on? For those people who say he was not funny, i think it has more to do with what they expect from members of the media and tv personalities. This president is not used to digs, and it is not expected to be dished out within several feet of him. He was absolutely hysterical, and anyone who says contrary either does not understand humor or satire, or just didn't appreciate anything negative. Cheers for Colbert for not ducking out. Having a completely silent room is a good sign, that you have shocked them into reality. The real measure of sucess is not those room full of douche bags, but us here at home. and everyone I know almost fell out of their seats they were laughing so hard.

how is this not funny?

"This administration is not sinking," Mr. Colbert said; "this administration is soaring. If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg."


My favorite part was when he tripped on the roller skate and blamed it on condi, like she is just roller skating around the white house all day!
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