Authority To Confiscate Guns During Emergencies Considered

[The Straight Story]

Authority To Confiscate Guns During Emergencies Considered


OKLAHOMA CITY -- An Oklahoma legislator said he hopes to make some changes to a new law that makes it illegal for authorities to confiscate weapons during a state of emergency.

State Rep. Mike Shelton said House Bill 2696 has placed the power of the law into the wrong hands.

"During states of emergency, I think police need total control. They don't need to worry who has guns and who doesn't. If the governor calls for Oklahomans to relinquish their guns, the public needs to do so," Shelton said.

That was the idea in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina, when police confiscated guns from residents even if they were legal. This new Oklahoma law removes that power.


http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/9023840/detail.html

[Richard Steele]

1. Uh-oh......

:popcorn:

[slackmaster]

2. That's going to really help his chance of getting re-elected

:crazy:

[Mythsaje]

3. Huh...

Meanwhile, freeper heads explode.

[Kansas Wyatt]

4. Republican effort?

:think:

[liberal N proud]

5. It does not say if Shelton is Repuke or Dem

My guess is he is Repuke as they are the ones telling everyone that the Democrats are going to take your guns away. And we all know they the repukes are good at doing exactly opposite of what they say.

Just a guess on affiliation.

[slackmaster]

7. I guessed he was a Republican

I was wrong.

http://www.okhouse.gov/Committees/Member.aspx?MemberID=77

[liberal N proud]

9. Either way he is a moron.

[The Straight Story]

10. I didn't check, but then I don't care which party he belongs to

The idea sucks anyway :)

[kath]

19. Keep in mind that what gets called a "Democrat" in OK would be a Repug

just about anywhere else.

[Kansas Wyatt]

8. If it is Republican

It changes that whole 'nobody gonna take ma guns' strategy the NRA keeps smearing Democrats with.

[gatorboy]

He's a Democrat...Who obviously can't wait to lose!

And I'm beginning to think some of these guys take pay offs around election time just to bring up these kind of issues conservatives froth over...

Seriously, Shelton, you're in OK....Do you hate your job that bad?

[Trillo]

11. No, it appears he decares "Democrat"

http://www.okhouse.gov/Committees/Member.aspx?MemberID=77

[NoPasaran]

6. Seems to me

That's when people might need their guns.

[sonoranleftist]

27. No one needs them they are evil

And the only one's I know that have them are neo-con rePUKES they suck!

[yorgatron]

28. what,you think Che didn't have a gun?

:wtf::eyes::crazy:

[Squatch]

12. They'll be taking your guns for *your* safety.

Nevermind, you probably just survived some sort of disaster and now they are worried about you hurting yourself.

[sendero]

13. A State of Emergency..

.... is the LAST time I'm going to give up my firearms.

What an idiot douchebag. Just what we need, a Dem spouting this horseshit.

[gatorboy]

15. Not to mention...Giving police COMPLETE authority?

I don't think so.

No offense to all law enforcement, but I've seen how power hungry some of those guys can get. I think I'll keep my guns...just to keep the playing field even :)

[Burning Water]

14. Right!

They need total control because they are so capable of protecting everyone even when they are not around. :sarcasm: Nope, if this had any possibility of working, the guns would have to be collected before the freakin' emergency. Just another gun-grabber.

Let's look at some more

Shelton said his battle is not over, and he intends not only to ask the governor to veto HB2696 but also to overturn the stand-your-ground bill.

The stand-your-ground law has already passed the Senate. It would allow you to protect yourself with lethal force if you feel threatened in a public place, such as a mall or a restaurant.

Shelton said it's up to law enforcement to protect citizens in public places.

The courts have already said it is not the job of the police to protect people. And even if it were, they have not been too successful, have they? Mainly because people tend to commit their crimes where the police are not. That is just a nice theory that's had to swallow the bitter cup of reality.

Finally, if the citizens are disarmed, who is going to resist Bushitler and his SS troops when he makes his final <i>putsch</i> to seize permanent power so he can't be indicted? Nope, this guy is a nutcase.

[benEzra]

21. That guy's been reading too many Bradyite press releases...

he even quoted one of the anti-self-defense lobby's talking points word-for-word:

The stand-your-ground law has already passed the Senate. It would allow you to protect yourself with lethal force if you feel threatened in a public place, such as a mall or a restaurant.

The law does no such thing; you cannot, anywhere in the country, shoot somebody simply because you "feel threatened." All the laws state that you must be in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm; this guy needs to ask a lawyer what that means...it means that "the facts and circumstances prompting that belief would cause a person of ordinary firmness to believe deadly force WAS necessary to prevent an imminent threat of death, great bodily harm, or sexual assault."

Of course, the other criteria for justifiable self-defense would still apply, to wit:

A citizen is legally justified in using deadly force against another if and only if:

(a) The citizen actually believes deadly force is necessary to prevent an imminent threat of death, great bodily harm, or sexual assault, AND

(b) The facts and circumstances prompting that belief would cause a person of ordinary firmness to believe deadly force WAS necessary to prevent an imminent threat of death, great bodily harm, or sexual assault, AND

(c) The citizen using deadly force was not an instigator or aggressor who voluntarily provoked, entered, or continued the conflict leading to deadly force, AND

(d) Force used was not excessive -- greater than reasonably needed to overcome the threat posed by a hostile aggressor.

He is apparently rather gullible...

[Burning Water]

30. Gullible?

No. Of course he knows exactly what he is doing. Which is restricting the rights of his fellow citizens for ideological purposes. Never give the assholes any credit for "good intentions", or let them slide on "gullibility". The fact that they hold political office at all shows that they have a certain level of cunning, if not intelligence.

[pinniped]

16. Sounds like burial tube time.

.

[bluestateguy]

17. He's a twit

And if we ever gave the Bush Administration that power the only people whose guns would be taken away would be blacks, Hispanics, Arabs and Muslims. I'm sure the white male Southern Baptists would be left alone.

[benEzra]

18. What a freaking IDIOT. (n/t)

[pocket]

20. why wait?

During an emergency is too late!

[originalpckelly]

22. He is a Democrat...

http://www.okhouse.gov/Committees/Member.aspx?MemberID=77

All your guns are belong to us.

I don't know how good keeping guns are anyway. I mean the government has F-16s like that is going to be defeated with a rifle. They have tanks. They have it all. I don't know why Repukes call it totalitarianism, they already out gun every American, even if people own machines guns. :shrug:

[slaveplanet]

25. roving hordes of looters

don't have m16's nor F16's, but a few well armed families can hold them off
without too much trouble. Where do you think they'll go next? my guess would be the unarmed person's house.

The lack of F16's hasn't hampered the Iraqi insurgents all that much.

Things will go guerilla here if they even try something on a mass scale, heck they were being shot at in NOLA when they tried their little probing exercise, many would choose to die with their finger on the trigger even when faced with overwhelming odds.

They're barking up the wrong tree, this won't win brownie points from either side.

[slaveplanet]

23. nowhere in the police's job description

does it require them to protect the public.

how could disarming people at the time of greatest danger possibly be in the public's best interest?

keep in mind, the authorities put alot of effort forth trying to confiscate,
and very little effort toward delivering relief when they tried their illegal dry run in NOLA.

[KyuzoGator]

24. My hurricane kit includes batteries, food, candles and ammo.

This is a stupid proposal.

[magellan]

26. Good luck with that.

I suppose this twit, whoever he is, has figured out HOW he's going to disarm everybody? In the middle of an emergency, no less?

M'right.

[sandnsea]

29. Compromise? Confiscate off the streets?

I'm just wondering if people would support a bill allowing the governor to declare all streets gun-free. So police could confiscate guns if you're walking down the street with them. I understand that wouldn't guarantee safety, but in some situations they might have to start somewhere and that seems the place to start.

Isn't this what's done in riots? I would think that when they send in the national guard they wouldn't expect the population to be packing.