WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE.... Why blame SUV drivers...some cars

[xultar]

have POOR ASS MILEAGE. So if you are going to blame drivers you need to blame those cars and MINIVANS that get poor mileage as well.

I'm sick of this dog and pony pissy pants liberal SUV bullshit. There are TONS of CARS, TRUCKS, JEEPS, SPORTS VEHICLES and MINIVANS that get POOR ass mileage and I don't see ya'll bitchin @ them.

SO IF you're gonna complain and FUCKIN BITCH GET YOUR FUCKIN FACTS STRAIGHT and BITCH @ ALL THE CULPRITS not just some.

Why not BAN Moto cross, 4wd events and NASCAR too.

That is fuckin all!

[stop the bleeding]

1. bicycles n/t

[xultar]

3. ...

:crazy:

[stop the bleeding]

12. if people want to get serious they need to cut out ALL motorized vehicles

I agree with you - anything over a 4 cyl(Reg. Engine) is wasteful also the auto sports are wasteful.

You can call me crazy - or roll your eyes but you know I'm right.

[xultar]

37. Ahhh I didn't understand your post. Just posting bicycles doesn't

say anything.

However some cities aren't made for bicycle use. So, it is impractical to ask.

[stop the bleeding]

45. I should have been more descriptive,

btw - my lady and I drive a camry and a corolla both are 4 cyl. and both get over 30 mpg.

We would like to upgrade to something far more fuel efficient, but we are saving $$$ in the mean time.

I agree with your post - this gas deal is about more than one type of vehicle - it is about lifestyles and the entertain me now culture
;)

[xultar]

50. That's all I'm sayin. I think our campaign would be more effective if

we talk about gas efficiency in general for all vehicles.

[AndyTiedye]

61. An "All or Nothing" Approach Means Nothing Gets Done

Presumably "all motorized vehicles" doesn't include public transport, which we desperately need more of.

Auto sports could easily be turned from something wasteful into an engine for energy-saving innovation.
Just limit the amount of fuel the cars can use to complete the course. See who can do it the fastest with
the fixed allotment of fuel. Then you'll see hybrids, fuel cells and all sorts of stuff coming into play.

[Road Scholar]

17. I'm mad as hell at my neighbor's SUV. nt

[AndyTiedye]

49. Your Neighbor May Be Even Madder At His SUV -- He Has to Buy Gas For It

[xultar]

51. What if your neighbor had a Prius and a big ass fuckin BOAT...

Would you be mad @ the boat too?

You should be.

[AndyTiedye]

65. Not if It's a SAILboat

[xultar]

73. Wouldn't they need a truck, suv, car @ v8 to tug it to the marina?

[AndyTiedye]

95. A Hybrid SUV Could Tow a Small Boat

[xultar]

99. But dont' we hate SUVs all SUVs? That is what my post is about.

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[ScreamingMeemie]

10. I think ignore lists should be reserved for donating members, don't you

;) :hi:

[xultar]

39. PHUCK YEAH...especially in that case.

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[MaraJade]

6. I'm with you on that!

Sheesh. Maybe this person will wise up when it costs them $300 to fill up their HUMMER.

[xultar]

16. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I OWN A HUMMER. I DON'T

But if liberals are going to get anywhere we can't pick one item as a symbol. YOU HAVE TO PICK THEM ALL AND BE CONSISTENT.

[stop the bleeding]

25. self transportation n/t

[rman]

26. STOP THE FUCK SHOUTING FUCK ALL THE TIME!!!

Please alert on me as well.
Let the flame-baiters prevail.

[Big Kahuna]

35. NO SHIT! NICE LANGUAGE HUH!?!

http://www.carfree.com

[xultar]

40. I LIKE TO SHOUT. I'M LOUD AROUND THE HOUSE. That's just who I am &

aren't all black folk loud?

[stop the bleeding]

47. You ever watch Chapelle?

If yes then you can appreciate when he makes fun of Samuel L. Jackson


:rofl:

[xultar]

52. I fashion myself as the Female Chapelle. I love him I do stand up

also. So whenever you read my posts on DU please always keep standup in the back of your mind.

Sometimes the best comedy is comedy that hurts.

[rman]

55. Are you loud in order to fulfill a stereotype?

It is petty of you that you call for the mods if your rude attitude causes a like response.

[xultar]

59. NOPE I'M JUST FUCKIN LOUD IS ALL...BUHWAWAWA

:rofl:

[stopbush]

4. Why not BAN Moto cross, 4wd events and NASCAR too?

Now, THERE'S an idea I support wholeheartedly!

[xultar]

7. To tell you the truth I do too. They are tearing up the forest around

here. I don't like it. But hey they are wasting gas. They should get the finger too.

[mike_c]

8. yep, me too....

:rofl:

[LostinVA]

11. I agree with NASCAR -- or make them use biodiesel

[MaraJade]

19. There's talk of more Ethanol for NASCAR, but

it won't be any cheaper. Right now those cars run on fuels that cost about $5.00 per gallon.

[Beaverhausen]

9. Ok - I'll bitch about all of them

Seriously...why buy any gas hogging, unsafe vehicle? And if you are going to get one, at least learn to park it, damn it!!!

I have other problems with SUVs besides that they are gas hogs.

I need more coffee cause I am obviously not making much sense here.

Find that "you vote with your wallet everyday" thread...

[xultar]

46. That's what I say. Don't limit the symbol. Get all the gas busters!

[RobertSeattle]

14. SUV with 6 passenger better than PRIUS with 1

I do think SOME of the anti-SUV rants are misplaced.

Self Disclosure: I own a Hybrid Highlander.

[RobertSeattle]

18. We should worry about miles per gallon per person, nut just mpg

[Beaverhausen]

31. I seldom see SUVs with more than one person in them

I know tons of single people who own them.

Disclaimer: I drive a Prius and yes, I'm smug!

[RobertSeattle]

43. Well I'm a smug Hybrid Highlander and a Prius owner

(two car family)

SUV primarily used by 1 person to commute to work - never touches a dirt road - bad

SUV used by a construction guy to haul equipment around - OK

SUV used by Mom to haul kids around - OK

SUV like a HUMVEE to compensate for small penis - bad

[xultar]

56. How do you know who've they dropped off or on the way to pick up?

You may see me and I'm transporting animals to the vet

[Beaverhausen]

66. Oh please...a friend of mine with no kids just got an SUV

and lots of my childless friends have them too. My friends with kids have minivans.

If you had pets you would have a pet carrier (I hope) and that would be visible.

[xultar]

75. As a single woman must I rent a truck everytime I want to bring home

a vacuum cleaner from target? Transport rescue dogs to the vet? buy plywood to fix my cabinet? bring home 10 bags of mulch?

[Beaverhausen]

90. I recently got 3 people and a Refrigerator in my Prius

it was a 3/12 ft refrig but still.

I can get 2 guitars, an amp, 2 gig bags, 2 mic stands and 2 people in my Prius.

I recently took my vaccum to get cleaned...it fit in my back seat.

I can get 5 ADULTS in my Prius.

[Touchdown]

96. Oh' Honey, take me next time.

I'll show you how to sweet talk and get free delivery. I can't be bothered to pick up manure bags. They have boys for that!;)

[xultar]

48. I agree!!! If one family can take 4 additional kids to the mall rather

than 2 cars going you've saved some right there.

[ScreamingMeemie]

15. Cars in general are the culprits really. Why aren't we slamming on the

automotive companies that produce them for shelving viable plans for affordable alternative vehicles a decade ago? :yourock:


I drive a Pacifica...which is only an SUV because the gas mileage is so crappy it can't be classified as a wagon.

[xultar]

THANK YOU. THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING!!!!! Why make one tiny

microisue the problem. ALL CARS need to be fuel efficient.

Some SUVs have better gass mileage than big ass fuckin cars. I know cuz my parents drive an old mercedes it gets worse mileage than new SUVS. No one gives my parents the finger yet they give Hummer drivers the finger does that make sense?

[TheFarseer]

20. It's just a generalization

Of course other vehicles get poor gas mileage and that is the real problem that people are having - vehicles that get poor gas mileage. Don't freak out because people are generalizing.

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. Sure doesn't seem like a "generalization" when SUV is clearly the

term used. Those "make your own chevy tahoe ad" threads got great mileage on DU. Great fun, wasn't it? Some generalization. :eyes:

[Pirate Smile]

91. The only vehicle that just pisses me off is Hummers.

There is just something especially awful about them.

If you want to drive a hummer, get your ass into the military instead of playing GI Joe.

[katinmn]

21. While I don't hate them, I believe SUV owners are selfish and myopic

We've known for a long time that the US consumes too much oil. Everyone needs to take personal responsibity.

[Ikonoklast]

98. I own a Chevy Suburban, am I selfish and myopic?

It can easily carry eight adults, and gets 22mpg on the highway when fully loaded. It routinely carries the four of us around, plus I use it for my job. Ever try to carry a compressor, toolbox, generator, arc welder, etc. around in a vehicle? How about the four 22.5 Lo-Pro trailer tires, like the ones that I had re-capped; they weigh about 100lbs. each and stand waist high? What would you suggest that I use? I need the capability to haul both passengers and cargo, so it was either a crew-cab pickup or this. I bought it used and got a great deal on it, as fuel use was not a problem for me, as it was for the previous owner.

I drive 23 miles one way to work, and only do that once every 5 to 6 days or so. I leave the vehicle parked at my terminal when I am out on the road working. When I fill up it lasts me over a month, so I probably use LESS gasoline on average in my Big Honkin' SUV than most of the self-righteous posters on this subject do.


Sweeping generalizations and ignorance of another persons' needs are not liberal values, and I won't be taken on a guilt trip by anyone. I refuse to buy the ticket.

[NMDemDist2]

22. I just took a 1500 mile road trip and my SUV got 24.6 MPG

my second car (when I get one) will be a scrunch monkey gas sipper but I'm pleased that my towing/hauling SUV does as well as it does

[xultar]

24. My moms a car gets way less gass mileage than that

yet people want to make SUVs the problem.

[NMDemDist2]

29. and I am one of those people who truly need the hauling capacity

I'd love to be able to get by with a Prius (or whatever) but YOU try to get 14 cases of 20oz soda in a Honda


just saying......

[Tesha]

41. Fold the seat down? (NT)

[NMDemDist2]

71. I do (in my SUV) and still it's a tight fit and soda and water are HEAVY

a small car would be groaning and scraping the pavement under the weight

I had a little Mazda 323 (GLC back then) back in the 80s I used when I was building a house. I could haul lots of stuff but I had to be VERY aware of the weight

[Beaverhausen]

58. If you fold the seats down you can get plenty into a Prius

check it out!

[NMDemDist2]

67. it's not about space it's about WEIGHT

the little cars can't handle the 100's of pounds of weight

[xultar]

81. Not a rotties and a bull mastiff in cages.

[NV Whino]

92. Actually you can

http://automobiles.honda.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=Fit

I just bought one of these. 33-38 mpg.

[NMDemDist2]

100. those are cute, but I couldn't find any specs on GVW for that model

it's weight that's the issue

[NV Whino]

101. Weight specs are there somewhere.

But you can get a llama in one. The seat configuration rocks.

[rman]

23. Well, SUVs are designed to have poor mileage

[xultar]

68. Ahh Boats. Cars. Trucks. Minivans, wagons, sports cars all....

get bad mileage. It is an american car thing. Not a car model thing.

Get some book learnin why don'tcha! BUHWAWAWA.

[havocmom]

27. Some people can actually justify having big SUVs

most cannot.

But, yeah, it is not just SUVs that are the problem. We simply use too much of everything but logic ;)


edit: typo

[LoKnLoD]

28. My little gas guzzler

My little RX8 (thirsty rotary engines) only gets 15-18 mpg, when I bought it gas was $1.42. Now I'm wishing I could turn back time. Went to trade it in for a Toyota Pruis this weekend and they would give me less than what I owe on the loan, so I'm screwed.

[NMDemDist2]

32. ROFL my DH's last Corvette got much better milage than that

and could blow the doors off a Mazda too

:rofl:

[AlCzervik]

53. my husbands Porsche gets better gas mileage than my honda.

i get about 29 combined, he gets around 32 combined.

[Sequoia]

30. Monster Trucks too!

[xultar]

86. I hate those sonsabitches. Why have tires 8ft tall?

[951-Riverside]

34. Some people like to blame SUV's for everything related to automobiles

but I never see them blaming these HUGE big rigs or trains that use crazy amounts of fuel and is more dangerous than a SUV will ever be.

[xultar]

42. That's what I'm sayin...what about all those 1960's and 70's cars

on the road now. Cool and rebuilt but the gas mileage suks. We should give them the finger too.

[AndyTiedye]

79. My Neighbor Rebuilt Her Fathers Old Bug -- Then Found It Only Got 20 MPG

That was good mileage back in the 60s when it was built.

[xultar]

82. That's what I'm sayin. Lots of rebuilt 60's and 70's are on the road with

less environmental standards and high gas mileage and no one bitches about them. AND they don't have seatbelts.

[Coastie for Truth]

36. 40 mpg is achievable w/o compromising safety, performance, comfort

1. Integrated microprocessor control of transmission, mixture, timing, injector - using off the shelf technology - today

2. Continuously variable transmissions

3. Hybrid - and plug in hybrid - at the heavier weight end of the market, and higher performance segment of the market.

What the "industry" has done is to take technology that yields 40 mpg in a 2500 pound car - and put it in a 4500 pound car and say "Gee whiz - we don't have to pay the gas guzzler tax on this 4500 pound car." BUT they haven't implemented it in the 2500 pound car.

[magellan]

38. We have a jeep

It's our only car, our only option for transportation, and we can't afford to replace it even with something used. It gets 22mpg. It sits in our driveway most of the time because we work from home. We fill it maybe, maybe twice a month.

Are we part of the problem?

I've avoided the bash SUV threads for some time because I got tired of reminding people that everyone's circumstances are different and indiscriminately labeling folks is wrong -- something you'd think Dems/Liberals would already know.

Thank you for posting this, Xultar. :)

[AlCzervik]

44. my neighbor has a mini-van and her husband has some type of chevy

suv thing, it's like a trailblazer only longer, anywho they have six children and her brother lives with them who is a quadriplegic so the suv thing has been retrofitted to handle his chair. I don't know of alternative vehicles they could buy that would allow them better gas mileage.

[xultar]

57. I have tons of friends who do Animal Rescue they all have SUVs

I transport cats and dogs all over for rescue.

[AlCzervik]

63. hey me too! My friend Darren does cat rescue and he has a car and a yukon

and he really, really needs that yukon, i cannot believe how much stuff he hauls around, he does a great job getting cats adopted out.

[xultar]

93. I'm single. I only have 1 car and I use every square inch of it.

Yes it is a SUV. I've still had to ask friends to borrow pick ups and stuff cuz some times stuff just won't fit.

I can't afford a car note or I'd buy a car. All I pay now is insurace.

[disenfranchised]

54. Why not blame commuting?

It makes my blood boil when people blame vehicles instead of blaming how much people drive. I have a pick up, but I only fill it up once a month because I walk to work and walk to the store, restaurants, bars, movies, etc.

When I was filling up my gas tank a couple weeks ago, someone told me it was because of people like me that gas is $3 a gallon.

[madmunchie]

60. Live with it. SUVs have become status symbols to wealth and arrogance

Hummers are the cream of the crop when it comes to the epitome of gluttony and arrogance. Hey if you are taking this personally, that only means that it must be hitting you where it hurts.

If Americans didn't want their status symbol SUV despite the fact blood is being spilled for the gas that is being wasted in their "toys", I wouldn't care. SUV's have become the status symbol much like "Soccer Moms". Besides SUV's are really a new type vehicle, not too many years ago, they didn't exist in the way that they do now. Heck, my husband used to drive a SUV 20 years ago for his job (company vehicle) he would haul construction materials to and from job sites as part of his job, so he needed a rugged heavy duty vehicle. When bigass SUV's became COOL, then the prices shot up and his company went to smaller more economical minivans, that had a lower sticker price and were better on gas mileage. So, because a new "status symbol" was born, my husbands company changed from a heavy duty vehicle used for hauling to something else, so that soccer moms and guys with a need to be "the man" could drive them to the neighborhood soccer games. So, when you think about it, It is the PERFECT symbol to gluttony, arrogance and superficiality. Who now NEEDS a big ass SUV? There are roomy sedans and wagons and more fuel efficient mini vans out there.

There are some of the smaller SUV'S that are just fine, it is just the big ass gas guzzling atrocities that are the epitome of "everything everywhere is all about me"

When this country,as a whole, starts respecting life and stops this endless entitlement illness we will have smaller more gas economical vehicles - to start with.

When I see the bigass SUVs, I think, "How many lives per gallon does that cost?"

[SammyWinstonJack]

74. Where is that self righteous smilie when ya need it?

[xultar]

87. ... PUHLEEZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Don't give me that crapola.
All my friends who do animal rescue have SUVs. They aren't arrogant nor wealthy. So there.

[Radio_Guy]

62. Ban private planes while we are at it

How much fuel do those burn? Cut back on commercial flights as well. There should be very few empty seats on commercial flights so the airlines use as little fuel as possible. Cut back on Greyhound trips as well. why should there be many empty seats on those trips? Efficiency, people!

[Warpy]

64. SUVs are just the gas hogs that block our view most often

I've posted here before that it also matters how far you drive. Someone driving an econobox from the exurbs 60 miles or more from work 5 days a week is going to use more gas than an urban dweller with an SUV who uses the thing mostly to do grocery shopping and get out of the city on weekends.

However, whenever I see monster pickups, momvans or SUVs, I think of my pop. He called them all "Those goddamned rolling billboards."

And THAT is why people tend to hate them.

[xultar]

72. Come on,,,, V8 cars get horrible gas mileage. We choose to make

SUVs the cause.

So you are saying if I turn in a v6 SUV that gets 20mpg for a big ass v8 sedan that gets 16 you'd be more happy?

BUHWAWAWAWA!!!

[wuushew]

69. categorically SUVs are worse than cars

simply because the unnecessary features they embody necessitate increased vehicle mass or aerodynamic resistance.

In all likelihood wasteful cars with large displacement engines still get better gas mileage than an SUV of equivalent engine size.

Therefore as a means everyday conveyance no SUV is superior to a car. People who live in the boonies(save farmers) ensure that their lifestyle will continue to be energy intensive and devoid of mass transit.

[xultar]

80. OMFG...evidentally you know nothing about cars. A v6 SUV vs v8

large ass phuckin car.

v6 suv wins in mpg.

[FSogol]

70. Stop cussing on the internet!

[xultar]

76. My mom taught me to cuss...no internet needed.

[951-Riverside]

83. These same "little kids" are probably watching porn.

so FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKY FUCK FUCK!!!

[xultar]

85. Fuckin kids are fuckin creating their own fuckin porn.

so
fuckity fuckity fuckity.

Buhwawawawa.

[newportdadde]

77. Actually I blame the 1/2 ton truck phenom more. The new sports car.

It seems like those 1/2 dodges are the cool thing to have right now for white men 30-50 in KC. If your a guy and have family I guess they don't want to face the humiliation of a sedan or mini-van so here comes the 1/2 ton 4 door truck cranking a solid 12mpg. The ultimate daily commuter for the white collar office worker male.

Alot of the SUV hate comes from field of vision obstruction they have. If you pull up to a stop and have an SUV roll up to either side you can't see a damn thing for oncoming traffic if your in just a regular car.

Ow and personally my wife and I get by just fine with a Buick LeSabre and guess what we fit ourselves and THREE car seats in there, a 2 year old and two new twins.

[AndyTiedye]

89. People Bought Pickup Trucks 'Cause They Want to be a Cowboy Like Bush**

Others bought them to avoid the stigma associated with SUVs.

And some simply need to haul a lot of stuff.

Pickup trucks are even less fuel-efficient (and even higher on the road) than SUVs
(though there is some overlap).

[NV Whino]

78. You are right, however

take into account that the heavier, much heavier, SUVs also break down the roads a lot faster.

So, I say fuck low mileage cars, but double fuck SUVs.

[xultar]

84. I can't disagree with you there.

[Bitter Cup]

88. SUV's aren't THE problem, they are just highly symptomatic of it.

And yes crappy old Ford Galaxy 500s and F-150s that get 12 mpg should be included. And sometimes they are because it's about excess and waste, not simply the body style.

However, the SUV issue goes beyond simple MPG, it also factors into the dying manufacturing base of an industry in the US that is married to outmoded ideas. It's an iconic representation of the BIGGER ME syndrom that's all about ME and not about YOU. And it's reached the level of cultural fetish in some neighborhoods...when MOST of the drivers on your block are single passenger people driving to work and never in need of 4 wheel drive...why are half the vehicles Oversized for our roads and parking spaces and getting less than 20 mpg? Heck why are they getting less than 25 mpg?

Can we extend it beyond SUVs to many other vehicles and activities? Sure...and I see a lot fewer people taking long sunday drives and a lot more telecommuting. If we're talking about Motocross and NASCAR it would be an interesting study to find out what % of our daily gas is used on these activities. Then compare it to the amount of gas used to drive Hummers to the 7-11 to pick up a bag of chips.

I'm willing to dispense with the term SUV as the prime identified culprit in the gas guzzling debate if we can INCLUDE SUVs along with any other similarly wasteful/sized vehicles in the discussion about responsible CAFE standards and Social Sensitivity/Responsibility (Parking, pollution, etc). I suspect in the end SUVs won't look better for it. But if the inclusiveness helps the debate more power to it.

I suspect that of CURRENT cars being manufactured in the US, SUVs ARE the largest violators of what most of us would consider reasonable standards for efficiency. I also suspect that if we look at real driving habits they are guilty of OVERKILL in terms of size and impact on the roads and environment.

That doesn't mean I'd do away with them all...I know Ranchers and contractors who need big trucks, I know a Forest Ranger who goes in places an SUV is ideal, even necessary for. But I also know that in a world of limited oil and space, a Hummer or a Tahoe is too much for one person going to pick up some take-out food (and we have a Hummer Driving Pizza delivery in my neighborhood...figure that out). There are exceptions. But I doubt EVERYONE is the exception, which is the tone I've been picking up lately.

In the end I understand prior investment...not everyone can simply drop what they are driving today and grab a hybrid or a moped. Not everyone can telecommute, and not everyone has access to mass transit. So we should ease up on our knee-jerk assumptions about anyone driving a car that isn't as little as ours. The Smugness isn't helping. But we also have to be able to have a real discussion where we acknowledge that sometimes we do things that aren't totally in line with our values. And sometimes we have to accept some things in the grey zone for a while as we hammer out specifics. Figuring out sane/moral/reasonable Size, Safety, and CAFE standards is certainly worthy of such a discussion.

On the other side, moving past the defensiveness I'm seeing here, a lot of people need to look long and hard in the mirror and ask themselves how often they are really packing in 6 kids, and how necessary, efficient, or socially conscious their decision to drive the BIG IRON really is. Not asking them to change tomorrow...but maybe be a bit more reflective and rationalize a bit less when they talk about how justified the SUV Community in GENERAL is. Don't take the criticism so personally for a minute and look at the bulk of those around you. Are they really being as responsible as you are? Or is your exception the rule for all the rest?

I can admit that I could stil do better than my current 25-28mpg. In fact I' d really like to. And as soon as finances permit I will, and when I am in a position to look for a new position, location and access to mass transit WILL be a factor in my decision. If we all just were able to say that much I think we'd be a mile ahead.

[xultar]

94. GREAT POST! Welcome to DU!!

:hi:

[fishnfla]

97. Xultar, I like you. You are the only one around here with any style

Cracks me up all the time.

As for the SUV owners on DU, the barbs have been so weak for so long, I dont think they pay attention to it anymore. Same goes for the people who smoke, or shop at Wal-Mart, or eat fast food, or live in the South, or are DLC, or DNC and its blah, blah-blah, blah-blah-blah

Which is why you are the only one with any style.

:hi:

[pinto]

102. Locking.

Inflammatory.