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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:21 PM
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Derivation of "Catskills" from Wikipedia (see last night's thread)
The name "Catskills" did not come into wide popular use for the mountains until the mid-19th century — in fact, that name was disparaged by purists as too plebeian, too reminiscent of the area's Dutch colonial past, especially since it was used by the local farming population. It may also have been a continuation of the British practice, after taking possession of the colony in the late 17th century, of trying to replace most Dutch toponyms in present-day New York with their English alternatives. The locals preferred to call them the Blue Mountains, to harmonize with Vermont's Green Mountains and New Hampshire's White Mountains. It was only after Irving's stories that Catskills won out over Blue Mountains, and several other competitors.

While the meaning of the name ("cat creek" in Dutch) and the namer (early Dutch explorers) are settled matters, exactly how and why the area is named is a mystery.

The most common, and easiest, is that bobcats were seen near Catskill creek and the present-day village of Catskill, and the name followed from there. However there is no record of bobcats ever having been seen in significant numbers on the banks of the Hudson, and the name Catskill does not appear on paper until 1655, more than four decades later.

Other theories include:

A corruption of kasteel, the Dutch sailors' term for the Indian stockades they saw on the riverbank. According to one Belgian authority, kat occurs in many place names throughout Flanders and has nothing to do with cats and everything to do with fortifications.
It was to honor Dutch poet Jacob Cats, who was also known for his real estate prowess, profiting from speculation in lands reclaimed from the sea.
A ship named The Cat had gone up the Hudson shortly before the name was first used. In nautical slang of the era, cat could also mean a piece of equipment, or a particular type of small vessel.
It has also been suggested that it refers to lacrosse, which Dutch visitors had seen the Iroquois natives play. Kat can also refer to a tennis racket, which a lacrosse stick resembles, and the first place the Dutch saw this, further down the river in the present-day Town of Saugerties, they gave the name Kaatsbaan, for "tennis court," which is still on maps today.
The confusion over the exact origins of the name led over the years to variant spellings such as Kaatskill and Kaaterskill, both of which are also still used, the latter as the name of a creek and mountain, the former in the regional magazine Kaatskill Life.

The supposed Indian name for the range, Onteora or "land in the sky," was actually created by a white man in the mid-19th century to drum up business for a resort. It, too, persists today as the name of a school district.

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:48 PM
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1. I wonder what the actual Native American name was.
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 01:49 PM by RevCheesehead
Anyone know what tribes are native to the area?

Duh. Edit to add: "Great job, Sharon!" :applause:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:55 PM
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2. Thanks, Rev
Wikipedia is your friend. I've just started thinking about using it in addition to doing typical searches.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:04 PM
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3. Here's some info from Wikipedia
While the matter has yet to be fully researched, there seems to have been no large-scale long-term Native American presence in the mountains. The local Iroquois tribes used land and water routes through the mountains to get to the places beyond them, hunted the abundant game and used the mountains in some of their rituals, but in general chose not to live there due to the difficulty of farming the land.



Some other things I read implied that the Mahicans may have had some presence there.

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:09 PM
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4. Ah -
If they "used the mountains in some of their rituals," then surely they must have had a name for them. Like "Elyon" = "most high".

You're the Wiki Queen, Sharon! :)
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:32 PM
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5. wow, Wikipedia is indeed our friend.
Nice work. Turning jokes at Frist's expense into educational opportunities: the way of the KOEB. :-)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 08:30 PM
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6. Thanks, Sharon.
And...still no Bill Frist.

:)
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