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sagesnow Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 07:36 PM
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I have a theory that Liberal Loners on DU
are mostly Personality Type "INTP" Introverted Intuitive Thinking Perceiving. I may be prejudiced because I am INTP. Has anyone else done their personality profile? What is your type?

INTP Profile:
From Wikipedia:
Site Dedicated to INTP "Loners":
Excellent INTP Profile

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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:53 AM
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1. We've had several threads in the Lounge
about personality types.

Although there has been no scientific poll here at DU, there are a lot of INTs here at DU. Some are INTP, and a large number are also INTJ, as am I. These are two groups that are very rare in the general population that have mysteriously (Ha! ;-) ) been drawn to DU.

INTJ profile:
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:00 PM
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16. I'm an INTJ too. nt
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 11:56 PM
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2. I'm an ISTJ, myself. n/t
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 12:15 AM
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23. me too...
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:08 PM
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3. INFJ here - also a rare bird in society.....

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MassLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:39 PM
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5. I'm also an INFJ!
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:08 PM
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7. So am I - INFJ
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Oddball Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 12:25 AM
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9. Howdy
I also am INFJ but INTJ was a close second percentage wise.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:18 PM
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8. I think I am....
I should keep better track of these things, but that sound like the group of letters I remember. I'm positive about the "I".... ;)
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 10:20 AM
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12. INFJ as well
We're good people, albeit routinely misunderstood. :hi:
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Johnny Noshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 09:04 PM
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29. We may be rare but...
looks like a bunch of us here :hi:
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babbage0111 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 03:16 PM
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4. I agree with your assessment
As an INTJ, I think there may be a relationship between being a "loner" and the INT(?) MB classification.

Up until now, I never thought about it that way!

Thanks for making me think about it.
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 01:33 PM
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6. INFP.....100%

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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 10:57 PM
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10. Same Here.
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 07:19 PM
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31. INFP here, also...
fits like a glove...
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:32 PM
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11. INTP. Description at the end of the test blew me away.
Described me exactly.
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M0rpheus Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 02:24 PM
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13. Intp... That's me almost to a tee...
I took the test and I was shocked at how it fits so well.

Now, if only I could get the people in my life to understand...
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:15 PM
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14. INFJ. n/t
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RedShoesBlueState Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:14 PM
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15. Also an INTP here
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 05:15 PM by RedShoesBlueState
And off the scale on the Introvert part of that.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:43 PM
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17. I am definitely an INTP.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:05 PM
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18. INTJ here. VERY much a loner, although in my later years I have been
able to appear sociable for longer periods of time, such as an eight-hour workday (it's all fakery, however. Inside I am screaming, "Go away!"). When I get home I go into my shell, tho. Luckily, Mr Nay is a loner, too.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:08 PM
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19. I'm an INFJ married to an INTJ
I'm the more sociable one of the two. INTJ is definitely reclusive, by choice I would say.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:13 PM
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20. As an INFJ with an ESTP partner,
I've often wondered if I should have hooked up with an IN-- type for better compatibility!


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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:52 PM
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21. INFJ here. n/t
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mak3cats Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:24 PM
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22. I took the test...
...and when I went to post my results in this forum, I stopped because I felt it was too personal. What the hell? Am I a loner among loners????

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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 10:13 PM
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24. INFP here...
definitely a loner...but not a bit lonely.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 10:53 PM
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25. INTP here too...
though in the right mood I can be INTJ

F rarely comes into things; I'm mostly a T.
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Sisaruus Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 07:52 PM
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26. I'm INTP
and happy being so.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:15 PM
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27. I'm an INTJ.
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 09:29 PM by Odin2005

To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of "definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence, sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know.

INTJs are perfectionists, with a seemingly endless capacity for improving upon anything that takes their interest. What prevents them from becoming chronically bogged down in this pursuit of perfection is the pragmatism so characteristic of the type: INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it work?" to everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.

INTJs are known as the "Systems Builders" of the types, perhaps in part because they possess the unusual trait combination of imagination and reliability. Whatever system an INTJ happens to be working on is for them the equivalent of a moral cause to an INFJ; both perfectionism and disregard for authority may come into play, as INTJs can be unsparing of both themselves and the others on the project. Anyone considered to be "slacking," including superiors, will lose their respect -- and will generally be made aware of this; INTJs have also been known to take it upon themselves to implement critical decisions without consulting their supervisors or co-workers. On the other hand, they do tend to be scrupulous and even-handed about recognizing the individual contributions that have gone into a project, and have a gift for seizing opportunities which others might not even notice.

In the broadest terms, what INTJs "do" tends to be what they "know". Typical INTJ career choices are in the sciences and engineering, but they can be found wherever a combination of intellect and incisiveness are required (e.g., law, some areas of academia). INTJs can rise to management positions when they are willing to invest time in marketing their abilities as well as enhancing them, and (whether for the sake of ambition or the desire for privacy) many also find it useful to learn to simulate some degree of surface conformism in order to mask their inherent unconventionality.

Personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, can be the INTJ's Achilles heel. While they are capable of caring deeply for others (usually a select few), and are willing to spend a great deal of time and effort on a relationship, the knowledge and self-confidence that make them so successful in other areas can suddenly abandon or mislead them in interpersonal situations.

This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience and less understanding of such things as small talk and flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a relationship). To complicate matters, INTJs are usually extremely private people, and can often be naturally impassive as well, which makes them easy to misread and misunderstand. Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense. :-) This sometimes results in a peculiar naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness.

Probably the strongest INTJ assets in the interpersonal area are their intuitive abilities and their willingness to "work at" a relationship. Although as Ts they do not always have the kind of natural empathy that many Fs do, the Intuitive function can often act as a good substitute by synthesizing the probable meanings behind such things as tone of voice, turn of phrase, and facial expression. This ability can then be honed and directed by consistent, repeated efforts to understand and support those they care about, and those relationships which ultimately do become established with an INTJ tend to be characterized by their robustness, stability, and good communications.

Famous INTJs:

Dan Aykroyd (The Blues Brothers)
Susan B. Anthony
Arthur Ashe, tennis champion
Augustus Caesar (Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus)
Jane Austen (Pride and Prejudice)
William J. Bennett, "drug czar"
William F. Buckley, Jr.
Raymond Burr (Perry Mason, Ironsides)
Chevy Chase (Cornelius Crane) (Fletch)
Phil Donahue
Michael Dukakis, governor of Mass., 1988 U.S. Dem. pres. candidate
Greg Gumbel, television sportscaster
Hannibal, Carthaginian military leader
Veronica Hamel (Hill Street Blues)
Angela Lansbury (Murder, She Wrote)
Orel Leonard Hershiser, IV
Peter Jennings
Charles Everett Koop
Ivan Lendl
C. S. Lewis (The Chronicles of Narnia)
Joan Lunden
Edwin Moses, U.S. olympian (hurdles)
Martina Navratilova
Charles Rangel, U. S. Representative, D-N.Y.
Pernell Roberts (Bonanza)
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor of California
Josephine Tey (Elizabeth Mackintosh), mystery writer (Brat Farrar)
Rudy Giuliani, former New York City mayor
Donald Rumsfeld, US Secretary of Defense
General Colin Powell, US Secretary of State
Lance Armstrong
Richard Gere (Pretty Woman)
Katie Couric

U.S. Presidents:
Chester A. Arthur
Calvin Coolidge
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
James K. Polk
Woodrow Wilson
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 10:50 PM
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28. I'm an ISTP
And I can't believe I've never been in the Loner's Group before; this is a great group :thumbsup:
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Pool Hall Ace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 09:09 PM
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30. INTP
That's for the link to the INTP Loners! :hi:
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deepthought42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 03:02 PM
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32. Hmmm... ISTP here. n/t
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 05:22 PM
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33. INTP though ISTP
was pretty close.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-05-09 06:02 PM
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34. Update: Now I'm thinking I'm an INFJ, not an INTJ.
Studying up on MBTI a bit made me realize that most of my judgment consisted of Extroverted Feeling and Introverted Thinking, not Extroverted Thinking and Introverted Feeling.

The Protector

As an INFJ, your primary mode of living is focused internally, where you take things in primarily via intuition. Your secondary mode is external, where you deal with things according to how you feel about them, or how they fit with your personal value system.

INFJs are gentle, caring, complex and highly intuitive individuals. Artistic and creative, they live in a world of hidden meanings and possibilities. Only one percent of the population has an INFJ Personality Type, making it the most rare of all the types.

INFJs place great importance on having things orderly and systematic in their outer world. They put a lot of energy into identifying the best system for getting things done, and constantly define and re-define the priorities in their lives. On the other hand, INFJs operate within themselves on an intuitive basis which is entirely spontaneous. They know things intuitively, without being able to pinpoint why, and without detailed knowledge of the subject at hand. They are usually right, and they usually know it. Consequently, INFJs put a tremendous amount of faith into their instincts and intuitions. This is something of a conflict between the inner and outer worlds, and may result in the INFJ not being as organized as other Judging types tend to be. Or we may see some signs of disarray in an otherwise orderly tendency, such as a consistently messy desk.

INFJs have uncanny insight into people and situations. They get "feelings" about things and intuitively understand them. As an extreme example, some INFJs report experiences of a psychic nature, such as getting strong feelings about there being a problem with a loved one, and discovering later that they were in a car accident. This is the sort of thing that other types may scorn and scoff at, and the INFJ themself does not really understand their intuition at a level which can be verbalized. Consequently, most INFJs are protective of their inner selves, sharing only what they choose to share when they choose to share it. They are deep, complex individuals, who are quite private and typically difficult to understand. INFJs hold back part of themselves, and can be secretive.

But the INFJ is as genuinely warm as they are complex. INFJs hold a special place in the heart of people who they are close to, who are able to see their special gifts and depth of caring. INFJs are concerned for people's feelings, and try to be gentle to avoid hurting anyone. They are very sensitive to conflict, and cannot tolerate it very well. Situations which are charged with conflict may drive the normally peaceful INFJ into a state of agitation or charged anger. They may tend to internalize conflict into their bodies, and experience health problems when under a lot of stress.

Because the INFJ has such strong intuitive capabilities, they trust their own instincts above all else. This may result in an INFJ stubbornness and tendency to ignore other people's opinions. They believe that they're right. On the other hand, INFJ is a perfectionist who doubts that they are living up to their full potential. INFJs are rarely at complete peace with themselves - there's always something else they should be doing to improve themselves and the world around them. They believe in constant growth, and don't often take time to revel in their accomplishments. They have strong value systems, and need to live their lives in accordance with what they feel is right. In deference to the Feeling aspect of their personalities, INFJs are in some ways gentle and easy going. Conversely, they have very high expectations of themselves, and frequently of their families. They don't believe in compromising their ideals.

INFJ is a natural nurturer; patient, devoted and protective. They make loving parents and usually have strong bonds with their offspring. They have high expectations of their children, and push them to be the best that they can be. This can sometimes manifest itself in the INFJ being hard-nosed and stubborn. But generally, children of an INFJ get devoted and sincere parental guidance, combined with deep caring.

In the workplace, the INFJ usually shows up in areas where they can be creative and somewhat independent. They have a natural affinity for art, and many excel in the sciences, where they make use of their intuition. INFJs can also be found in service-oriented professions. They are not good at dealing with minutia or very detailed tasks. The INFJ will either avoid such things, or else go to the other extreme and become enveloped in the details to the extent that they can no longer see the big picture. An INFJ who has gone the route of becoming meticulous about details may be highly critical of other individuals who are not.

The INFJ individual is gifted in ways that other types are not. Life is not necessarily easy for the INFJ, but they are capable of great depth of feeling and personal achievement.

Jungian functional preference ordering:

Dominant: Introverted Intuition
Auxiliary: Extraverted Feeling
Tertiary: Introverted Thinking
Inferior: Extraverted Sensing

Beneath the quiet exterior, INFJs hold deep convictions about the weightier matters of life. Those who are activists -- INFJs gravitate toward such a role -- are there for the cause, not for personal glory or political power.

INFJs are champions of the oppressed and downtrodden. They often are found in the wake of an emergency, rescuing those who are in acute distress. INFJs may fantasize about getting revenge on those who victimize the defenseless. The concept of 'poetic justice' is appealing to the INFJ.

"There's something rotten in Denmark." Accurately suspicious about others' motives, INFJs are not easily led. These are the people that you can rarely fool any of the time. Though affable and sympathetic to most, INFJs are selective about their friends. Such a friendship is a symbiotic bond that transcends mere words.

INFJs have a knack for fluency in language and facility in communication. In addition, nonverbal sensitivity enables the INFJ to know and be known by others intimately.

Writing, counseling, public service and even politics are areas where INFJs frequently find their niche.

INFJs are distinguished by both their complexity of character and the unusual range and depth of their talents. Strongly humanitarian in outlook, INFJs tend to be idealists, and because of their J preference for closure and completion, they are generally "doers" as well as dreamers. This rare combination of vision and practicality often results in INFJs taking a disproportionate amount of responsibility in the various causes to which so many of them seem to be drawn.

INFJs are deeply concerned about their relations with individuals as well as the state of humanity at large. They are, in fact, sometimes mistaken for extroverts because they appear so outgoing and are so genuinely interested in people -- a product of the Feeling function they most readily show to the world. On the contrary, INFJs are true introverts, who can only be emotionally intimate and fulfilled with a chosen few from among their long-term friends, family, or obvious "soul mates." While instinctively courting the personal and organizational demands continually made upon them by others, at intervals INFJs will suddenly withdraw into themselves, sometimes shutting out even their intimates. This apparent paradox is a necessary escape valve for them, providing both time to rebuild their depleted resources and a filter to prevent the emotional overload to which they are so susceptible as inherent "givers." As a pattern of behavior, it is perhaps the most confusing aspect of the enigmatic INFJ character to outsiders, and hence the most often misunderstood -- particularly by those who have little experience with this rare type.

Due in part to the unique perspective produced by this alternation between detachment and involvement in the lives of the people around them, INFJs may well have the clearest insights of all the types into the motivations of others, for good and for evil. The most important contributing factor to this uncanny gift, however, are the empathic abilities often found in Fs, which seem to be especially heightened in the INFJ type (possibly by the dominance of the introverted N function).

This empathy can serve as a classic example of the two-edged nature of certain INFJ talents, as it can be strong enough to cause discomfort or pain in negative or stressful situations. More explicit inner conflicts are also not uncommon in INFJs; it is possible to speculate that the causes for some of these may lie in the specific combinations of preferences which define this complex type. For instance, there can sometimes be a "tug-of-war" between NF vision and idealism and the J practicality that urges compromise for the sake of achieving the highest priority goals. And the I and J combination, while perhaps enhancing self-awareness, may make it difficult for INFJs to articulate their deepest and most convoluted feelings.

Usually self-expression comes more easily to INFJs on paper, as they tend to have strong writing skills. Since in addition they often possess a strong personal charisma, INFJs are generally well-suited to the "inspirational" professions such as teaching (especially in higher education) and religious leadership. Psychology and counseling are other obvious choices, but overall, INFJs can be exceptionally difficult to pigeonhole by their career paths. Perhaps the best example of this occurs in the technical fields. Many INFJs perceive themselves at a disadvantage when dealing with the mystique and formality of "hard logic", and in academic terms this may cause a tendency to gravitate towards the liberal arts rather than the sciences. However, the significant minority of INFJs who do pursue studies and careers in the latter areas tend to be as successful as their T counterparts, as it is *iNtuition* -- the dominant function for the INFJ type -- which governs the ability to understand abstract theory and implement it creatively.

In their own way, INFJs are just as much "systems builders" as are INTJs; the difference lies in that most INFJ "systems" are founded on human beings and human values, rather than information and technology. Their systems may for these reasons be conceptually "blurrier" than analogous NT ones, harder to measure in strict numerical terms, and easier to take for granted -- yet it is these same underlying reasons which make the resulting contributions to society so vital and profound.

Functional Analysis:

Introverted iNtuition

Introverted intuitives, INFJs enjoy a greater clarity of perception of inner, unconscious processes than all but their INTJ cousins. Just as SP types commune with the object and "live in the here and now" of the physical world, INFJs readily grasp the hidden psychological stimuli behind the more observable dynamics of behavior and affect. Their amazing ability to deduce the inner workings of the mind, will and emotions of others gives INFJs their reputation as prophets and seers. Unlike the confining, routinizing nature of introverted sensing, introverted intuition frees this type to act insightfully and spontaneously as unique solutions arise on an event by event basis.

Extraverted Feeling

Extraverted feeling, the auxiliary deciding function, expresses a range of emotion and opinions of, for and about people. INFJs, like many other FJ types, find themselves caught between the desire to express their wealth of feelings and moral conclusions about the actions and attitudes of others, and the awareness of the consequences of unbridled candor. Some vent the attending emotions in private, to trusted allies. Such confidants are chosen with care, for INFJs are well aware of the treachery that can reside in the hearts of mortals. This particular combination of introverted intuition and extraverted feeling provides INFJs with the raw material from which perceptive counselors are shaped.

Introverted Thinking

The INFJ's thinking is introverted, turned toward the subject. Perhaps it is when the INFJ's thinking function is operative that he is most aloof. A comrade might surmise that such detachment signals a disillusionment, that she has also been found lacking by the sardonic eye of this one who plumbs the depths of the human spirit. Experience suggests that such distancing is merely an indication that the seer is hard at work and focusing energy into this less efficient tertiary function.

Extraverted Sensing

INFJs are twice blessed with clarity of vision, both internal and external. Just as they possess inner vision which is drawn to the forms of the unconscious, they also have external sensing perception which readily takes hold of worldly objects. Sensing, however, is the weakest of the INFJ's arsenal and the most vulnerable. INFJs, like their fellow intuitives, may be so absorbed in intuitive perceiving that they become oblivious to physical reality. The INFJ under stress may fall prey to various forms of immediate gratification. Awareness of extraverted sensing is probably the source of the "SP wannabe" side of INFJs. Many yearn to live spontaneously; it's not uncommon for INFJ actors to take on an SP (often ESTP) role.
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Moondog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 03:47 PM
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35. I bounce back and forth between INTP and INTJ.
It depends on when I take the test and, probably, my mood when I take it.
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gbate Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 11:35 AM
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36. I'm an INFJ.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 07:23 PM
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37. I finally admitted to myself that I am a loner.
I'd suspected as much for years, but it hit me yesterday. Anyway, the INTP profile pretty much fits. I can be very social, too, even though I'm shy, but I can't do it for long because it's very draining. It's nice to know there's a forum on DU for loners.
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david13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 08:56 PM
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38. Yeah, I guess I fit in there. Ah, nice to find somewhere I fit in.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 10:08 PM
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39. OLD thread here!
Edited on Tue Aug-04-09 10:22 PM by elleng
I fergit what I am 'officially,' but certainly one of them, AND I'm moving to 'a place of my own' shortly!

Lived alone several times, years ago; now family's split up, etc., etc., and I found a place that looks nice (even tho its in a place where I haven't lived.)

SO, I'll keep in 'touch!'
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