kos is at it again

[Mass]

Front page, article saying that

Kerry bogarts the limelight
by kos
Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 06:32:47 PM PDT

There's a little kerfuffle inside the Democratic Senate caucus over John Kerry's insistance in being part of the official party response to Bush's hilarious "plan" in Iraq. Reid originally had designated Sen. Jack Reed to provide the official response. Reed did the "prebuttal" yesterday and had a press conference set up for today.

However, John Kerry stomped over Reed by deciding he was going to hold a press conference this morning as well in a naked bid to steal the limelight. Eventually, Reid was forced to combine the two press conferences to try and maintain a unified Senate Democrat response, but Kerry's antics have generated some ill will.

Much ado about nothing? Perhaps. But several DC Democrats I've spoken to today were not happy with Kerry's antics. And given 1) Kerry's continued inability to clearly articulate a coherent position on the war (as Feldman notes), and 2) the fact that Kerry voted for it (while Reed did not), it's not hard to see why.

Either he is totally false and his sources are people who simply dislike Kerry, or he is right and I had enough with Reid. It is already clear for me that Reid is not ready to take any clear position on issues, the way Nancy Pelosi is.

If Kerry had not been there, the position represented by Reed would have been a lot more conciliatory towards Bush, as Reed favors a much slower withdrawal than Kerry, from what he said on PBS and earlier.

Is that really the message that we want?

[TayTay]

1. Another evil Kos posting.

Having Reed and Kerry appear together was actually very effective. They re-inforced each other. I thought it worked out to both of their advantage. (And I thought Nancy Pelosi was equally great.)

That said, it was apparent from the talk today that other Dems would respond when * makes his other speeches about Iraq leading up to the Dec 15th election. That's fine as well.

Kos makes mountains out of molehills. He can't step back and look at the whole picture and that this benefits the efforts to stop a war that Dems want stopped. All Kos can see is his personal likes and dislikes and nothing else. I am beginning to pity him. He has no credibility with me. (I think of him as I think of Crispin Miller, someone who is in it first to draw attention to themselves, not because they really believe in anything.)

[whometense]

3. And who are these

"DC Democratics" that speak only to Kos?

[Mass]

4. My suspicion is that kos is lying, but lie about this is so stupid that

it is crazy.

[whometense]

7. Well, I just read through

as many comments as I could stomach.

Those people are utter sheep. "Kerry and Lieberman"??? Fuck them. I mean FUCK THEM. Let them rattle around in their own little self-righteous echo chamber. They stand for nothing.

[rockymountaindem]

51. Is DU any better?

Really?

[whometense]

57. I don't know,

but at least DU isn't a little fiefdom.

[BlueIris]

6. I pity him, too, TayTay. Sort of.

I'm really starting to wonder about Kos. Is this just about his personal dislike for Kerry? Just about defending his positions for the sake of defending them? Is it something more? Just what, exactly, is his personal dislike of Kerry about, truly? Because, to me, the vitriol he is now spewing goes beyond anything that can be explained as simply having preferred a presidential candidate other than Kerry in the last election.

[_dynamicdems]

11. He's so out there he's actually going to garner support for Senator

Kerry. People will get sick of it and there will be a backlash.

[wisteria]

22. I for one, hope you are right about this. n/t

[ProSense]

I agree.

All his BS is bound to become a turn off at some point.

[MH1]

10. Okay, I take back my "request" on the other thread.

I wish Kennedy / Kennedy's staff would take kos to the woodshed on this and make him post a retraction.

Or alternatively post the truth themselves.

[BlueIris]

17. Hee. "Take Kos to the woodshed." That's a nice image.

And really. Seriously. What Kos is doing is getting seriously out of hand.

[wisteria]

39. i think at this point it is a good idea for other Dems to speak up also.

That is, as long as Kerry still receives some of the spot light. I'm going to write to Reid and request that Kerry remain out front on this war issue.

[jenndar]

63. That's a good idea.

Maybe we should all post to Senator Reid's blog?

[_dynamicdems]

2. Send this guy to Iraq and leave him there. PLEASE. n/t

[karendc]

5. I've met him...

...he is about 12.

not much there, there.

[_dynamicdems]

8. He certainly acts about 12.

It's all about him. It should be all about our soldiers and our country not one person's vanity.

[TayTay]

13. Yeah, that comes across really well.

I have seen him on TV in a few C-Span things that I caught for a few minutes. He is a childish baby.

I went up to New Hampshire last fall to help do whatever needed doing. (Which is as it should be, you do what needs doing.) We were supposed to get some literature, go out with other volunteers and knock on doors. We were supporting Sen. Kerry and John Lynch for Gov. This one guy gave the poor woman who was trying to organize the volunteers a really hard time. "Who is this Lynch guy? Where does he stand on my issues? I don't talk about people I don't know. I just want to talk about Kerry." I felt so bad for the poor woman who was trying to organize people. I could tell she really didn't want this guy talking to any potential NH Dems, because she was afraid they would retaliate by voting for the R's. Yeah, Kos reminds me of this guy. My way or the highway and there is no common good. Yikes!

Every so often we post some stuff that just grates on them, just because we can. Like the fact that when Sen. Kerry sent out an e-mail asking for people to sign a petition on his web site, he got hundreds of thousands of signatures. There are other good Dems who have also put out e-mail requests for sigs on petitions and they get about 1/3rd of the sigs. (I am not saying anything bad about the other Dems, just noting that Sen. Kerry has a lot of support that the Kos dittoheads refuse to see.) Same with fundraising, which seems to be going pretty well for the year after an election year. This drives them crazy.

No supporters ndeed. Must be ghosts signing all those petitions.

[WildEyedLiberal]

16. Time to donate $20.08 to Kerry, methinks

We should all do it at once and post about it here to send a message. A mass donation to Kerry. Then we'd tell that shitfaced little crybaby about it on his website. "Every time you lie about Kerry, Kerrycrats donate 200 dollars to him. So think twice before you open your big fucking mouth, you little shitstain."

[JanusAscending]

61. GREAT IDEA!!!

just wish i could afford it! I never read his website, only what I can catch here in KERRY COUNTRY! I also like the idea of Teddy taking him out to the woodshed!:applause: by the way, it sounds very much like GD lately, from the way you all speak of it! We'll have to change their status and make DU the most used Dem. Site !!!

[MonteLukast]

70. This line says it all

"I don't talk about people I don't know."

One of the attitudes that's gotten us straddled with the Chimp. Actually, Dubya in a way is perfect for Americans today. He's the perfect representative of this kind of thinking. "I don't care about you if you're not in my family or social circle."

Kerry, meanwhile, steps into the lives of total strangers and makes them feel special. :patriot:

[BlueIris]

19. Somebody remind me how old he is, in human years?

It's been a long time since I Googled him.

[BlueIris]

40. Oh, my God. Can it be true that he's 32?

Seriously? I thought it was...so many fewer years than that. 32? Does anyone know if that's right?

[TayTay]

45. Yeah. He is 32.

Sometimes I think there should be a test before you can claim to be an adult. Sigh! Age alone isn't enough.

[BlueIris]

50. Damn. That is SAD.

Seriously, are there any anti-kos sites out there? Blogs, at least? Apart from this one? Someone here should build one, if one doesn't exist already.

[Noisy Democrat]

28. No wonder he can't stand Kerry

I noticed Kos's unbelievably juvenile presence when I saw him on TV. His voice, his mannerisms, his entire way of behaving -- he literally came across like a 12-year-old.

No wonder he can't stand Kerry. Kerry represents maturity, thoughtfulness, seeing complexities, thinking things through. Kos stands for extreme "you're either with us or against us," shallow thinking just as much as many of the right wingers. Kerry must drive him nuts.

[_dynamicdems]

34. He's a churlish pox-marked whey-face pestilent and a

common-kissing mumble-news!

Courtesy of the William Shakespeare insult generator.
He sure was ahead of his time.

http://www.william-shakespeare.org.uk/a2-shakespeare-insult-generator.htm

[ProSense]

9. Seems a little obsessive if you ask me

Is this his whole game: to b**** like a little girl everytime Kerry does anything?

Reed might not have voted for the IWR as it passed, but Everytime I review the Roll Call votes leading up to its passage, I wonder what all these knuckleheads would be saying if anyone of the rejected pieces of legislation had passed:


U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Byrd Amdt. No. 4869, As Amended )
Vote Number: 232 Vote Date: October 10, 2002, 09:43 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 4869 to S.J.Res. 45 (Further Resolution on Iraq )
Statement of Purpose: To provide a termination date for the authorization of the use of the Armed Forces of the United States, together with procedures for the extension of such date unless Congress disapproves the extension.


Grouped By Vote Position YEAs ---31
Akaka (D-HI)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00232


U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Durbin Amdt. No. 4865 )
Vote Number: 236 Vote Date: October 10, 2002, 04:48 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 4865 to S.Amdt. 4856 to S.J.Res. 45 (Further Resolution on Iraq )
Statement of Purpose: To amend the authorization for the use of the Armed Forces to cover an imminent threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction rather than the continuing threat posed by Iraq.
Vote Counts: YEAs 30
NAYs 70


Grouped By Vote Position YEAs ---30
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00236

[WildEyedLiberal]

12. Do people who AREN'T kosbots take him seriously?

He only worries me more than the average lefty freeper because his fucking site is seen as the "premier liberal blog." :puke: This place can be rancid too, and I know it's not a blog, but DU is 1000X as sane as the fucking circle jerk for losers known as DailyKos.

[WildEyedLiberal]

14. Can everyone with a Kos account just go over there and call him a liar?

Filthy fucking whore. I hate him as much as I hate O'Reilly, Hannity, and Coulter. He's every bit as whorish and has as much regard for facts that get in the way of his predetermined agenda. Vile fucking little puke.

[TayTay]

15. Don't hold back dear, just let it out.

I agree. (But I hate posting on Kos now. It's just so yucky. The big Kos dittohead factor is disturbing.)

[WildEyedLiberal]

18. I DATED ONE OF THEM!!

He was an ULTIMATE DIEHARD DEANIAC and he thought Kos WALKED ON WATER.

He reconciled his "liberalism" with his dad's job at ExxonMobil, though, and because of his dependence on oil money, found a way to justify being pro-drilling in ANWR.

Just like ALL THOSE LITTLE BRAINLESS FUCKS, he was a self-serving hypocrite who was "left-wing" when it didn't threaten his entrenched white collar existence.

[BlueIris]

23. You could be describing my ex.

Well, except mine "supported" his perverted interpretation of "liberalism" only as far as it served his misogynist worldview, intellectually elitist career plans and...didn't require him to get off his fat, sociopathic ass and do any real work to support a truly liberal anything. Activism? Not if it messed up his grad school recs. Or required him to have a complex understanding of any social or governmental issue. People think the selfish, myopic (and sometimes criminal) assholes are only on the right. Sadly, as has been mentioned in this forum, many of them are messing up the left as well.

[TayTay]

41. Oh dear, Well try washing with lemons,

it'll take the smell out of your hair and clothing. Then a strong disinfectant and a pint of Ben & Jerry's Cherries Garcia. (Ahm, for you dear. I don't know why but Cherries Garcia cures a lot of ills in this world. Sigh!) You'll be rid of the after-effects of being near a lefty freeper soon enough!

Seriously, at least you found out in time. Honestly, you wonder how these people ever find someone pure enough to mate with. I mean really, they are so picky and so difficult to be around. Sigh!

[BlueIris]

42. I second that.

Pretty much everything about TayTay's post--especially the "at least you got out in time," part. Because...yeah. Those of us who didn't figure out we weren't dating liberals so much as we were dating assholes calling themselves liberals? Lived to regret it.

As for how they ever find anyone to hook up and (shudder) mate with? They lie like dogs. As much as I should have been able to see through the insincere veneer my ex called his "liberalism," he was also an extremely convincing liar. A person can see what she wants to see, but...to quote a great American, "a bright psychopath can fool anyone."

[TayTay]

47. Okay Blue, I'm buying the Cherries Garcia

You have been through it. My treat.

We have a lot of 'liberals unless it hurts' people in Mass. Can't stand 'em. They give the rest of use hives and a bad name.

[BlueIris]

48. Thanks! The good news is, I'd be able to spot one like him now.

Live and learn, they say, and at least I learned.

[WildEyedLiberal]

64. Yep, exactly

Before my ex I was completely uninitiated to the idea of lefty freepers. I knew nothing about DailyKos other than it was a "liberal" blog, and liberal = good, so no problems there. I didn't realize what lying, nasty, vicious people "progressives" can be until I met this guy and his Deanbot brother, who was the most horrid, belligerent person I've ever met. Now I don't immediately accept someone who claims to be "liberal" - I have to make sure they're a Kerry-type liberal, not a Kos-type sleazy lying self-serving "progressive."

[MonteLukast]

71. Further thoughts.

I didn't realize what lying, nasty, vicious people "progressives" can be until I met this guy and his Deanbot brother, who was the most horrid, belligerent person I've ever met.

The sad part about this is, how nice and sweet a lot of righties and fundie Christians can be. Not to mention, how happy.

Of course people are going to want to emulate the happy- and sane-looking ones... not the "Deanbots". That's, I believe, a VERY important, overlooked reason why the right wing has been able to gain such a following.

Plus, I'll bet Dean himself would shake his head and be ashamed at his "groupies". Which is, basically, what they are. :eyes:

[MH1]

21. Done. Multiple times.

Okay, didn't use the L word I dont think. But pretty much said it anyway.

[kerrygoddess]

37. I just posted

on both Kos's thread and the diary he linked to.

[wisteria]

20. It's Kos and I don't buy it. Why have a rebuttal with a little

known Sen. Reed. Why wouldn't you want to use Kerry to draw more attention to the rebuttal. That is unless, your response was intended to be mundane and complacent.if that was the case we have good old Lieberman to do that. And, where does Kos come off saying Kerry doesn't have a clear position.

As far as others being given a chance to speak out- I have to wonder what is stopping them? Obviously, you can always have a press conference. I thought most have not wanted to get in the middle and actually have to make a stand on this issue.

Frankly, Kos seems to want to ignore the fact that Kerry has been correct and on top of this issue all along. Kerry should be out front. I'm trying to keep my cool and consider Murtha an ally to Kerry, but I hear him never mention him and I heard a portion of a press conference today where Murtha talked about "his plan" eventually becoming the acceptable and used plan.

[LittleClarkie]

24. Would Reed have gotten soundbite of the day from Schultx?

Would Reed have gotten any play on the radio news the way I know Kerry did because I heard it?

I think Kos was talking to people who don't much like Kerry in the first place, if anyone at all.

[WildEyedLiberal]

26. Kos is a fucking liar and needs to shut the fuck up

He's as big a liar as Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. Fuck him. He can go hang with the rest of the lying scum who are destroying our democracy.

[fedupinBushcountry]

59. IMO

HE IS A LITTLE TWERP !!!


Him and Drudge would make a good couple. They both play on people's minds. He is no more or no less than any of us here. He is a Deaniac whose ego trip got the better of him. WTF does he know about politics? WTF makes him think he has all the answers? Who the fuck made him God?

I am so sick of this little twerp's opinion, and that is all it is his opinion.

[karynnj]

27. and no one here asks why Murtha doesn't mention

Feingold, Kerry, Biden etc.

I've always thought Kerry did a beutiful job crediting others.
In fact, he seems almost uniquely that way other than Feingold mentioning a group of senators leading the way on the issue. I rarely hear any Senators (or ex) mentioning the others. Neither Biden or Edwards did - even though both borrowed heavilly from Kerry's 04 position. But no on said these Senators should credit the others.

[LittleClarkie]

25. What did Kerry do? Rebuff his romantic advances or something?

What's with the obsessive behavior.

He'll be boiling Kerry's bunny pretty soon.

[TayTay]

29. HaHaHaHa! I lik that LC, that's good.

Boiling his bunny! :rofl:

[ProSense]

30. Bunny stew.

:rofl:

[Noisy Democrat]

31. Funny you should say that

I try hard to be a voice of reason and thoughtfulness over there, but I was so irked, I came *this* close to saying, "Kos, honey, I know it hurts, but you're going to have to accept it -- John Kerry's married to Teresa and he's just not that into you. Give it up, dear."

[LittleClarkie]

32. Don't tempt me.

Wanna see me get banned? Heh, heh, heh.

[TayTay]

35. Where is that New Yorker humor piece

that was posted here a couple of weeks ago. The one that had W. in love with Kerry. Substitute W for Kos and off ya go! (Eeewwwhhhh!)

I loved that middle paragraph that had Rummy and W. with the secret stash of pics that they giggled over. Hmmm, maybe Jerome and Kos.

But you're right, he's just not into you at all, Get over it.

Boil your bunny :rofl: I love that one! (Where are Michael Douglas and Glenn Close when we really need them.)

[LittleClarkie]

43. I'm serious

I'm going in. Cover me.

[Noisy Democrat]

68. Hee-hee

I saw it when your diary came up. :) I think it takes even more than that to get banned. I just outright call Kos a liar these days (usually with the note that I'm willing to retract if he retracts his misstatements -- since an honest mistake would be retracted once it's pointed out, right?). I haven't gotten banned yet.

[globalvillage]

38. Interesting.

"John Kerry stomped over Reed by deciding he was going to hold a press conference this morning as well in a naked bid to steal the limelight."

Not literally, I hope.

[LittleClarkie]

44. He didn't look at all bruised or anything.

He seemed like a reasonable fellow, Reed did. But why would Reid insist that it had to be Reed and not Kerry. Reed didn't seem to be resentful of Kerry being there.

I just have trouble believing the whole thing.

[Mass]

46. It makes a lot of sense to me that he wanted both somebody

from the SFRC and from the Defense Committee. Those two were in DC: end of story.

Only kos can make a mountain out of that.

[ProSense]

54. I just watched it again

The two looked really comfortable around each other. It was a terrific press conference.

[LittleClarkie]

49. I just stole your line

Go and take a look.

[Pirate Smile]

52. I love that because he is so irrationally obsessive. You should post it.

The line about the bunny is classic.

[BlueIris]

53. Okay, truly? I think you've got something here.

I posted upthread that kos and his ilk sorta remind me of my ex. My ex was a lot of things, and mainly, he only called himself a "liberal" because a) that best suited his selfish needs and b) he wasn't so stupid that he didn't recognize that what Bush and the boys are doing posed a direct threat to his personal freedoms. Not that this ever motivated him to take any real action to stop them, mind you, it's just that being "liberal" was the closest approximation he could find to his worldview which was...yucky. I'll spare you the grotesque details.

Anyway, one of the things he was, which it took me a year and $1200 in therapy after the bitter end of our relationship to figure out? Self-hating, repressed gay man. I guess I should have known something was up when my ex, who didn't truly care about any social crisis unless something personal was in it for him, took a major interest in the Bush Admin's attempts to promote discriminatory homophobia to serve its agendas. That burned my ex up. I, too, find it reprehensible, (which is why I'm an active, contributing member to several local GLBT rights groups) but he was really obsessed with calling people out on their homophobia and, with his usual absolutist fervor, condemning anyone who supported any homophobic sentiment. All well and good, yet parts of me wondered, "why does he care about this and no other acts of oppression perpetrated by Bush, et al?" My ex's hatred of homophobia was actually why I stayed with him for so long. It was my "proof" I was dating someone who actually cared about creating change, as opposed to someone who just pretended to. I've noticed that many folks who don't seem like they would be the types to get invested in opposing Bush are also, in my judgment, closeted gay men (Eminem, Ben Affleck, and some local statesmen in my neck of the woods who are otherwise quite conservative). Yes, I know that closeted gay citizens also sometimes burrow into the GOP to try to hide from dealing with their identities. Now I have new things to wonder about Kos...

[wisteria]

56. You"ve got me wondering to. n/t

[globalvillage]

33. Kerry and Reed did a great job today.

I don't get kos's point, if he even has one. It was much more effective to have them both together.

If we want to get a message out on this administration's failures to average America, it's not going to happen without a recognizable leader. Do these people really think AVERAGE people are going to stop and listen to Jack Reed? Sorry, but no. People will stop to listen to John Kerry. They're likely to change the channel on Reed (sadly, because he was good). The majority of people outside of RI don't even know who the hell he is.

I think kos needs to get a grip. We have to speak to regular Americans if we want to make any progress. Today's message was not directed at bloggers and keyboard junkies who already have a pretty firm opinion one way or the other. It was not a message to be delivered by a hardly-known Senator from Rhode Island alone. If that was Reid's plan, it was not a good one.

My big question is how you guys can stand going to kos. Except that he seems to know what's inside Harry Reid's head and knows several DC Dems (?), he's just an angry little man spewing horrid, divisive bile.

[jenndar]

55. Right.

Like I said on the other thread, there was no limelight to Bogart. Are there too many people opposing this completely unjust war? Is that Kos' problem?

[Mass]

36. I dont understand kos particularly after this

Reed was on PBS this evening. Below are the transcripts on the question of withdrawal. If Reed had been alone, this would have probably been the message he would have given for the Senate. Is it really what kos wanted to hear from Democratic Senators?

Except that, Reed did great. He speaks well and was very critical of Bush. It is just that I dont get it, except that they just dont want Kerry to be in the media, that's all.

This is really Kerry hatred and nothing else.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec05/iraq_11-30.html

SEN. JACK REED: Well I think the term "withdrawal" is the wrong term because it seems to slant the argument to the cut-and-run theory, which is more rhetoric than I think reality.

I agree with the chairman. I think having committed forces there -- and I was opposed to such a commitment and the way it was done unilaterally -- but since we're there, we have to find a way out that will not create a worse problem: A more unstable region, one that will be the source of continuing problems for the United States and the world, but I think it is appropriate and I think it's been proven so to have these debates in talking about how we begin to redeploy forces.

And frankly the reality is we're there for a period of time, a period of time with combat forces and probably a longer period of time with logistical forces and support forces. We have to recognize that. But if we don't have these discussions, then I think we're doing a disservice to the country.


...
Jim LEHRER:
...
Congressman Murtha says just the opposite. The withdrawal of U.S. troops, in fact, would begin to stabilize things because the presence of our troops is an inciting factor in and of themselves. Where do you come down on that question?

Sen. Jack ReedSEN. JACK REED: I respect Jack Murtha immensely, both as a combat veteran and as a colleague in the House of Representatives when I served with him.

But my thought would be that our precipitous withdrawal would cause serious problems not because of the fact that we're -- our troops are targets. There are tensions in that country that have nothing to do with our presence. They're tensions between Sunni, Shia and Kurdish elements.

And if we were to leave and they felt unchecked, that could break out into a civil war or certainly complicating issues. So I would suggest that we have to find a way -- quicker rather than longer -- to do it in an orderly way

[Dr Ron]

58. Post at Democratic Daily

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=1277

Cheney-Rove Dupe Kos At It Again

Kos is at it again. He’s attacked Kerry in the past for taking on the Republican Congressional leadership and for criticizing Bush on the war. Today’s he’s attacking Kerry again following his rebuttal to Bush’s statement today.

It is beyond me why he is so compelled to attack Kerry for promoting positions he otherwise claims to hold, typically with fabrications and misquotes every bit as dishonest as what we typically see from the Bush White House.

The Republican one-party government already is hard to fight with the support they get from the Republican Noise Machine. We sure don’t need people like Kos doing their work for them.

[fedupinBushcountry]

60. Dr. Ron

Did you change your settings at DemDaily, it won't let me post, I use Netscape.

[MH1]

65. Yeah, what's up with

"Your comment is awaiting moderation." ??

I thought it took my first one right off... is there some kind of filter that traps it when "stupid" and "Kerry" appear in the same post (even though of course "stupid" was being applied to kos, not Kerry)... if that's the case it's a neat trick.

[Dr Ron]

67. Filters not perfect

The program does try to place spam and troll posts in moderation, but does make mistakes.

[MH1]

69. Ohhh, it thought I was a

troll?

:rofl:

Guess I should feel insulted by your program. Give it a good whack for me, would ya?

Hee hee.

[Firespirit]

62. It's so obvious what his problem is.

There's a little kerfuffle inside the Democratic Senate caucus over John Kerry's insistance in being part of the official party response to Bush's hilarious "plan" in Iraq. Reid originally had designated Sen. Jack Reed to provide the official response. Reed did the "prebuttal" yesterday and had a press conference set up for today.

However, John Kerry stomped over Reed by deciding he was going to hold a press conference this morning as well in a naked bid to steal the limelight. Eventually, Reid was forced to combine the two press conferences to try and maintain a unified Senate Democrat response, but Kerry's antics have generated some ill will.

Kos is intimidated by JK's assets. His choice of words shows the subconscious fear of domination that he harbors. It wasn't present with Dean because Dean is not especially tall or imposing.

There's nothing to worry about, Kos. You're not worth JK's time.

(BTW Kos, it's "insistence.")

[BlueIris]

66. Yeah.

No matter what else is motivating kos to keep the hate train moving along like this, feeling intimidated by JK generally seems likely. Again, sad. Especially considering the fact that kos is thirty-freaking-two-years-old. It's so sad when people can't get past this sort of juvenile insecurity by their adult years.