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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:24 AM
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WTF?!!! PDA Strikes Again!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:30 AM
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1. Seems PDA is trying to hijack this issue to their personal benefit,
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 01:35 AM by Mass
Amazing though that Cobb is still silent on this very issue .
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:34 AM
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2. No kidding...
I am so pissed! So pissed. Just sent my friend who knows Tim Carpenter a long ranting email. Will try to contact Kerry PAC tomorrow again. So pissed...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 06:21 AM
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3. Who are PDA actually?
I've heard the acronym, but haven't really understood who they are. I think some of these people are simply trying to get mileage from this. At this point, they may think they've created a win/win situation for themselves. If Kerry stays, it will likely be because he and his lawyers have substantive reasons to do so, but these guys will claim it was their pressure. If Kerry leaves, it will be because as had been said it is a weak case. Then they will trash him for letting everyone down.

In either event, this pressure campaign is simply an ego trip for Cobb, which hurts the Democrats (and Kerry) no matter what he does.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:13 AM
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4. PDA is not Cobb
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 08:47 AM by Mass
What is amazing is that, except for the original post on AUg 8 that started all that, apparently, Cobb appears nowhere. He has not said in any public matters that Kerry would withdraw, neither did Conyers as we can see by his emails.

PDA stands for Progressive Democrats of America. It is a grassroot organizations with goals I can share.

http://www.pdamerica.org/

Here is what was really posted on pda blog under the name of another head of PDA. Note how, on their blog, they avoid the blistering tone of Carpenter .

http://blog.pdamerica.org/?p=209#more-209

I have no problem with this blog, as it states clearly where we are, contrarely to Carpenter's letter. If Kerry plans to withdraw from the recount lawsuit, I think he should say so and explain why. If he does not, he should make that clear as well. I guess we will know soon enough anyway because the next step of this lawsuir is next Monday.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:07 AM
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5. Thanks Mass
I was really confused as to who they were. I couldn't attach any names I knew to the group.

I agree that either way, Kerry will need to explain his reasons.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 10:33 AM
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8. PDA
The board of PDA is largely comprised of Kucinich supporters.

Tim Carpenter, the National Director, was Deputy National Campaign Director for the Kucinich campaign. I believe that after the convention he did sign on to the K/E campaign.

More here - http://pdamerica.org/people.php

A few of the names listed on their board, I recognize as being outspoken against JK during the primaries and then also after the convention.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:10 AM
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6. You know what? I got the e-mail from PDA. I emailed Kerry, but
I didn't blast him in it. I just told him the truth, that the bloggers are upset about this, and that if he didn't stay in this lawsuit, that he should come up with a statement as to why.

I told him that I'm not going to be happy until he's our president. And this issue is huge, if he wanted to run in 2008, it needs to be dealt with, one way or the other.

I did it because I'm still watching his back.

Who knows if he reads any of this stuff anyway?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:41 AM
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7. He has spoken out
Boston Globe 1/17/05

Jan. 18--In his first high-profile address since conceding the presidential election, Senator John F. Kerry used Boston's annual Martin Luther King Jr. memorial breakfast yesterday to decry what he called the suppression of thousands of would-be voters last November.

"Thousands of people were suppressed in their efforts to vote. Voting machines were distributed in uneven ways," the former Democratic nominee told an enthusiastic audience of 1,200 at the Boston Convention and Exhibition Center in South Boston.

"In Democratic districts, it took people four, five, 11 hours to vote, while Republicans through in 10 minutes. Same voting machines, same process, our America," Kerry said.

In an e-mail message he sent to his supporters on the day before Congress certified the election results earlier this month, Kerry cited "widespread reports of irregularities, questionable practices by some election officials, and instances of lawful voters being denied the right to vote" in the battleground state of Ohio.

And this:

5 months after election, Kerry speaks about voter fraud
Comtex GovernmentUniversity Wire 04-20-2005
By By Jennifer Nedeau

WASHINGTON, Apr 20, 2005 (U-WIRE, U-WIRE via COMTEX) --More than five months after the 2004 Presidential election, former candidate John Kerry has introduced an electoral reform bill to the Senate and begun to speak about how voters in last years Presidential election were denied access to polls through trickery and intimidation.

"Leaflets are handed out saying Democrats vote on Wednesday, Republicans vote on Tuesday. People are told in telephone calls that if you've ever had a parking ticket, you're not allowed to vote," he said to the Massachusetts League of Women Voters on Sunday. Kerry introduced a bill on electoral reform this past February.

"I have heard from thousands of people across the country, people outraged at the problems with our voting system. Time and again they have asked me to help place this issue at the top of the Congressional agenda," Kerry said.

James Williams, a junior at the George Washington University, worked intensively with the Kerry campaign last semester and previously worked in Kerry's Senate office in Massachusetts. He said that Kerry's allegations about voter intimidation and trickery are not unfounded and it there "was definitely a lot of that kind of activity going on" during the past election.

"In Florida someone had put door fliers with the wrong dates of election day," Williams said. "And unfortunately it's part of the system...there is too much confusion on Election Day, which allows these things to happen."

Williams said he thinks Kerry should keep talking about voter intimidation in order to try and "rectify the injustice." From his experience in the campaign, Williams said that most of the misinformation campaigns seem to be aimed at Democratic voting blocks, the lower income, uneducated populations.


There have been lots more. Go check the Senate web site and the johnkerry.com site. Kerry has brought this up time and again, and has not dropped this topic, even when political advisors have told him to do so.

This is a no-win issue. The Cobb people, who are politicians, not Saints after all, are probably scared that KErry is going to drop out of their suit in order to pursue one that might actually do some good. Then the Cobb people lose their day in the sun. Boo-boo-friggedy-hoo.

I give up. I believe in reforming the laws so that all votes count and all voters get a chance to vote. (This is very important to me.) But the lefty freepers are insatiable and they don't listen to anything anyone says. Screw them.

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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 10:59 AM
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9. This grassroots thing is great and all,
but I haven't got the time or patience to keep up with their demands. And especially since the election it's hard to keep track of who is where and what their agenda is. I got the Tim Caprenter email, and it pissed me off, but I just trashed it.

In order to simplify, at the moment I'm only donating political money through Kerry. It's frustrating to me that these people seem to be ok, and then someone will pop off and leave me feeling betrayed. So they won't get anything from me for now. Except if JK asks me to do so.

Life's too short.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 07:23 PM
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10. I tried to post this in the thread as it is from one of their big men
and it reminds the two other lawsuits, but I guess it was useless as the OP answered by another snarky comment about Kerry. I just wonder if it is still worthy to post in these threads. These people are ready to accept everything from everybody as long as it is not Kerry.

http://blog.pdamerica.org/?p=209#more-209
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:38 PM
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11. There is a letter on PDA from Rev. Jackson
http://blog.pdamerica.org/?p=214

It now seems to be on the up-and-up. So it is a matter of KerryStaff explainging why this lawsuit should be kept or dropped.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:48 PM
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12. At least this one states clearly that he does not know.
I hope Kerry's staff clarifies the situation, because, if they do not intend to drop it, letting the steam blow is stupid (and counterproductive), and if they do, they should explain why (they probably have a good reason for it and, even if this does not calm people like Carpenter who clearly have other motives, it may help with others).
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:53 PM
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13. Unless Jackson's
just responding to Tim Carpenter's letter himself.

My head hurts.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:06 PM
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14. My feeling reading the letter was that this may be it.
Carpenter asks people to write to Kerry and then PDA publishes the letters as if people wrote independently.

This is becoming more and more a Kafka novel.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:14 PM
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15. My impression as well.
Kafka novel indeed.
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