Looks like it's just you and me, angrydem

[WildEyedLiberal]

I'm getting close to sleepytime but not quite there yet. Besides, you should get 1000 posts tonight, because that would be awesome. I've been here longer than you and have about 250 fewer posts. LOL, you busy little bee you.

[sandnsea]

1. I'm here

for a while. I watched the Big Chill a while ago. It was different this time. I was identifying the Bush voters. :) Harold for certain. Karen. Michael, I thought, OMG, pompous leftist pundit! Nick, KFF, absotively! It was weird watching it from the perspective of the election and cynicism and what people do with it when the realities of the world starts to set in.

[WildEyedLiberal]

2. Yo yo yo

I've never seen the Big Chill. So I totally don't get your parallels, but that's ok.

I really liked what you said earlier today (yesterday?) about the difference between leftists and liberals. I don't remember what my response was exactly, but I said something about how these fringe radical leftists are as dangerous to America as the neocons, and so we had better NOT make the mistake the Republicans did by letting the nutjobs take control of the party. God, neocons vs. hardore socialists. It'd be like Hitler vs Stalin all over again. Yucky.

[angrydemocrat]

3. Reporting For Duty!!

John Kerry and the Kerrycrats :yourock:

[WildEyedLiberal]

4. Hola

W00t!!!!! Congrats on getting 1000 posts!

:party: :party: :party: :toast: :toast:

[angrydemocrat]

7. Nothing Better Than Hanging Out With My Fellow Kerrycrats

And Talking, Fighting, And Rooting For My Hero John Kerry!!! :loveya:

[sandnsea]

6. I LOVE that movie!!

I watch it every couple of years. Not sure if it's the soundtrack or the actual movie though. As I grow older, the characters sure seem more whiney and self-indulgent! It's classic 80's boomers, the ones who are in their 50's now. Those of us in our 40's, we're a different bunch I think. I think more of us never gave up our idealism, we didn't get cynical like our older siblings seemed to. Of course, we were always trailing behind them financially so I don't think we had as much chance for money to ruin us!

I don't mind leftists so much, I just wish they'd recognize they are leftists. They will be much stronger as a group if they do that, and Democrats will have an easier time winning elections too. I don't mind having a co-operative working relationship, but they have to realize there aren't that many of them in the country as a whole and that they aren't even the base of the party. It is hysterical when they think states like Montana and Colorado won on liberal politics. If that were the case, why'd the Bush campaign keep hammering Kerry with "Massachusetts liberal"? They are just unable to use any logic whatsoever.

[WildEyedLiberal]

8. I guess the faction that really bothers me

Is the Chomsky reading anti-capitalist anti-Democrat anti-religion anti-America anti-anything to the right of Marx crowd. They're a huge minority, but they're very vocal, on DU and on my college campus. I don't even mind the peacenik hippie Greenpeace vegan Green Party crowd, as long as they don't start trying to dictate what the Democratic Party should and shouldn't be, since they are so far out of the mainstream of society. But they rabid anti-American faction is what Limbaugh and friends use to give us all a bad name, and that pisses me off, because I have little if anything in common with the lunatic fringe.

[sandnsea]

14. They're who I mean

I tend to agree with them on alot of issues actually. But you'd get as far with an anti-beef platform as some of the stuff they demand from a candidate. I don't understand why they don't see that. I wanted a candidate with true liberal values which is why I didn't choose Dean. Yet I spend most of my time around here trying to keep these people from pulling this party over the cliff. That's why I finally decided to give them a little push to the left, where they belong. Then the Democratic Party can begin to deflect some of that Limbaugh labeling.

[WildEyedLiberal]

18. Yeah, I guess I'm more moderate

Although I hate saying that... I'm definitely NOT moderate compared to anyone I know, but there are times I feel positively conservative at DU *shudder*. I just think all the "blame America for all the world's problems" rhetoric really, really pisses a lot of people off and does more to hurt the "liberal" cause than to help it. While I diagree with the actions of the government in many cases (for example, nearly everything Bush has done) saying that "America" is corrupt or evil is just batshit stupid. People hear that and think, "why on earth would I support anyone who basically has stated that they hate this country?" And they do have a valid point, which is why we need to get the Chomskyites and anti-American bunch out of any sort of spotlight in favor of liberal advocates who have a more positive and hopeful tone, and who actually care about this country enough to want to make it a better place.

I mean, I don't have a problem per se with veganism and some other "radical" liberal ideas, but they're never going to be viable political options. And Noam Chomsky does piss me off.

[sandnsea]

29. Well, we are corrupt

America is rather deluded about its "grandeur". But "America sucks" is no way to win a Presidential campaign! I gotta' get some sleep. :)

[angrydemocrat]

10. LOL Isn't That The Truth

That is all you heard from the Chimps campaign is about Kerry being a liberal from Massachusetts. I rememeber Chimp saying over and over "What would you expect from a liberal from Massachusetts" I use to wish I could slap him. Because he was rich and he was from Conn. he isn't from the South like so many dummies believe he is also from the north.

[WildEyedLiberal]

11. Yeah, and there would've been a media shitstorm

If Kerry's camp had said stuff like, "Well, what do you expect from a dumbass redneck from Texas?"

Oh, the hue and cry that would've ensued! "HOW DARE KERRY INSULT THE ENTIRE PEOPLE OF AN AMERICAN STATE! WHAT A DISGRACE!"

Such a fucking double standard, it's so pathetic.

[angrydemocrat]

13. I know it!

I don't know if you remember people over at the campaign blog use to beg them to sling shit right back at them and it never happen. And the statement about "well what would from a neocon from Texas" was one of them.

[sandnsea]

15. Except during a campaign

It's better to stay on message, no matter your personal opinion. Did you know the exit polls said Kerry ran more of an attack campaign than Bush? Hard to believe, but true.

[angrydemocrat]

17. I know

That was so crazy! Never have figured out where they dot those numbers. They had alot of poles that was messed up during this election. Kerry was doing the right thing by running a positive campaign. You know how people get mad and they say alot of things and over at the blog that happen I laugh now to think of some of it. I glad i wasn't around here OMG! I was lucky to have time to talk to those at the campaign blog at that time much less argue with others.

[sandnsea]

31. I staked out DU

I knew others had the blog covered. ;) The Kerry bashing wasn't bad, it really wasn't allowed so much. Although there was always somebody running off with whatever the latest right wing smear was. Trying to get people to understand they needed facts to fight the smear was... annoying. And the thing is, even when you come up with a great zinger, you still can't get 10 Democrats to agree on it!

[saracat]

34. I wish we would do something to rehabilitate the word "liberal"

I am not a "progressive" I am a liberal and proud of it. I actually think Kerry would have been better advised to say"yeah, I'm a liberal. What of it'?" It would have at least defined him more.
In a way, as far as campaigning is concerned, it is not so much "what you are" But "that you are something."
The initial idiots running the campaign didn't have a clue of how to take advantage of Kerry's good points. I wrote them a letter once expressing my concern that they weren't projecting Kerry as the clearest example of himself that he could be.Unfortunately ,he had to make up ground really fast by the time his campaign was "rescued"by Mike McCurry. I talked to him before the last debate and he agreed. He asked me where I had been during the earlier part of the campaign.I told him, I had been there just no one was listening. I felt that Kerry's outstanding feature was that he was more Presidential than anyone walking on the face of the earth. He was a President straight out of Central Casting. They should have used it.But they couldn't let Kerry be himself.That was a mistake.When Mike came on board, he released Kerry from the straightjacket and boy did that make a difference. I tell ya, if Kerry had good people and had listened to his gut, we wouldn't be looking at the shrub!
I don't blame Kerry.I never have. It is the jackasses in the DLC and the DNC. They haven't gotten the message that it isn't business as usual and it isn't 1992 and all candidates aren't Clinton!

[WildEyedLiberal]

40. No shit

All of Clinton's advisors gave Kerry the most shitastic advice in the universe. Honestly, I remember being distinctly umimpressed with Kerry until the DNC, when I finally hear him speak for the first time. Shortly after that, I got off my duff and actually learned about him... and fell in love. HOW THE HELL were his campaign managers SO IMCOMPETENT that they completely and utterly FAILED to exploit the zillions of virtues this man has going for him?

The Democratic Party needs to stop being so Clinton-centric. John Kerry was NOT a centrist from the South; he's a Massachusetts liberal, dammit, a loveable, cuddly liberal with a big heart and courage to spare. There is no way a sane nation should not have elected this incredible man in a landslide.

Bob Shrum and pals should be chased out of the Party with pitchforks and torches... but hell, they're probably already hard at work on the HIllary '08 campaign.

[JohnKleeb]

41. I like Clinton but hes far from my favorite democrat

Kerry I think was so right to not take his advice on the marriage amendments and that wasnt good enough for some of the purer than thou.

[WildEyedLiberal]

43. NOTHING is good enough for them

Because they are TRUE LIBERALS. TRUE!

[JohnKleeb]

44. hah

Yes true liberals demand purity and conviently ignore their heroes mistakes.

[saracat]

46. Actually , it was Ted Kennedy's people who really fucked

Kerry over. And of course Shrum was a disaster.But Schrum was more DLC instigated. That is why I think the DLC didn't really want Kerry to win. I might be wearing a tinfoil hat. I just don't know.
The Clinton people, as in Mike McCurry and Joe Lockhart ,didn't get involved until the very last second.That was really too bad because they had their shit together press wise. And they knew the pluses and minuses of their candidate. One thing I will say for the Clintonista's, they know how to make a sale.Of course ,they had a good product in Kerry.
Another thing I wonder about is why they arrived so late.If everyone knew they were the best in the business, why didn't we have them from the get go? And what was it with all the Kennedy people like Cahill?.They never really had to run an election in their lives.Ted just has to pop his name in place and he can be Senator till he dies.There is a lot about this campaign I will always wonder about.

[GRLMGC]

57. Don't get me started on those bastard advisors

Gahhhh. They were incompetent! I do wish they had gotten Clinton's people in earlier because the campaign got really good when they got in.

[angrydemocrat]

52. .

[angrydemocrat]

45. I Get So Damn Sick Of People Comparing Kerry and Clinton

To me there is no comparison. Kerry is a far better man in so many ways than Clinton. I will probably get blasted for saying this but it is how I feel. Kerry don't have to be made out to be something he's not as Clinton did. Kerry has far more experience in everything you need in a president than Clinton did when he first ran. And wether people want to believe it or not Clinton wouldn't have had a pot to piss in and gotten anywhere as president had it not been for Democrats like Kerry backing him and saving his ass more than once. I liked Clinton and I voted for Clinton both times but Clinton wasn't the best president we have ever had and he sure as hell isn't the best man walking today as so many want to believe. Kerry has the man beat by a long shot in more ways than one. And Thats how I feel and I will stand by that and don't mean to piss others off about Clinton but facts are facts.

[angrydemocrat]

5. I just realized I did reach 1000

Wooo Hoooo! Now you have to get there Wild!

[WildEyedLiberal]

9. Yeah I know

Amazing to realize I only had 350 posts like five days ago. I only posted sporadically. Well, this week I've been posting a shitload, so I should make 1000 by next weekend, at this rate. Woohoo!

Honestly, the flourishing of this forum has done more to increase my post count than anything. I can't tolerate any of the general forums any more, and I never did quite get into the Lounge... so thank God for the Kerrycrats, my ideological soulmates!

:grouphug:

[angrydemocrat]

12. Mine Too

I would have quit DU a long time ago had it not been for this group. I love this group but the rest of it drives me nuts! So I am very happy with the Kerry Forum and all the Kerrycrats! They are my kind of people and we get along great.:grouphug:

[WildEyedLiberal]

16. Just stepped into the Clark forum

Quite a bit of Kerry hate over there, which suprised me... I really like Clark (not that he has any control over who supports him), and didn't figure his supporters to jump on the bash Kerry bandwagon. I just figured they were all more like LittleClarkie, who obviously liked Clark a lot but ended up liking Kerry too.

Shit. There was one funny post, however, about how all of Kerry's support was falling away now because people in GD were being bastards about him... do they not realize that the Kerry supporters group is the biggest Group on DU? And that everyone trashing him in GD never liked him to begin with?

Hell no. Our forum, our numbers are only getting larger. I do like Clark a lot, and hope that he is considered for a position in a Kerry cabinet, but John Kerry is the man - and a very large number of people agree.

So take that, bastards. I'm parking my ass here in the Kerry forum and never leaving again.

[angrydemocrat]

19. LMAO

Maybe they havn't noticed the numbers lately LOL! We have alot of new members in here now and it is getting busier everyday and I love it! I encourage people I know that go online to join. Some have said they are going to they just havn't done it yet. The more members we get the better off we will be.

[WildEyedLiberal]

20. It ought to send a message to all the haters

That we're the base of this party, not them.

[angrydemocrat]

25. We Need To Get More Members

We need to work on recruiting new members in here. Because as I said the more members we get the better we will be. We will be a stronger, and bigger voice the more we grow. I wish people like txindy would hang out in here he is alot of fun!

[WildEyedLiberal]

27. Just as long as we don't drag any lefty freepers

Or spittle-flecked crazed Deaniacs in here... they're so big on the idea that we were all DNC infiltrators, maybe one of them has half a mind to come lurk in here secretly and SPY ON US!

OMG... SNEAKY.

[angrydemocrat]

30. Who Cares If They Play I Spy Like A Bunch Of Kids

All they will find out is that we are die hard Kerrycrats that don't take no shit from anyone. And if the dare post thats where the mods come in to kick there ass out. Kerry supporters only in here.

[angrydemocrat]

21. It hasn't been as busy these past few days

because some people are in Washigton. I know Faye went. And you know she hangs out in here alot.

[WildEyedLiberal]

24. Ohhh yeah I was wondering where she'd been off to

And vinessa4freedom has been in here a bit, but not a whole lot.

[vinessa4freedom]

58. I'm here, WEL!!

On and off, anyway. :) I have a confession. I have a problem sitting at the computer. I have to do it in short bursts. I guarantee, I'm with you, though. In spirit when not physically. Besides you have all been such good posters I've had more to read than to write. :) I'm in here more than anywhere by a longshot. Pop over to the veg group and once in a while the sci-fi'ers and the NYers, but this is home to me.

[saracat]

22. I think not WEL. I have just arrived!

[WildEyedLiberal]

23. OMG SARACAT

You missed the raunchy action!

Pity!

I mean, we could always start it up again...



Damn, isn't it amazing how posting this picture never gets old?

:loveya:

[angrydemocrat]

28. LMAO

Wild you are so crazy but that is what makes you so fun!

[angrydemocrat]

26. Hello Saracat

Glad to see ya.

[JohnKleeb]

32. I am up

if you care :).

[WildEyedLiberal]

33. Of course I care Kleeb!

Don't be silly :P

I notice you avoided the nightly Estrogen thread. Not that I blame you :evilgrin:

[JohnKleeb]

38. of course if I wanted estrogen, I would errr

:P nevermind.

[angrydemocrat]

35. LOL

Of course we care! We care about all the Kerrycrats.

[JohnKleeb]

36. heh

thanks guys, I am only really up because I had an early ass nap today then my friend called and hes hanging over here tonight.

[saracat]

37. Hi Kleeb!

:hi:

[JohnKleeb]

39. hi

mornin.

[WildEyedLiberal]

42. Sara, how are you not tempted by the hot Kerry beefcake?

Mmmmm....





OMG He looks like Indiana Jones!




"Come on, Sara... I gave you my love. Why won't you give me a floaty heart? I need you, baby."

[saracat]

47. giggle ,giggle ,blush, blush!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: oh, my! I am blushing ALL over. Sigh......

[WildEyedLiberal]

48. So hot

He really should be mine. I mean, come on. :loveya:

[saracat]

50. OMG! I am blinded by the glory of him in a Tux!

Warren Beatty looks like poop next to him!

[WildEyedLiberal]

53. Hahahaha I know

Wouldn't you KILL to be her:






I know I would! RAWR! :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[saracat]

49. And Wild, I think I may have to seek

solace in my dreams. My luxurious bed is calling out to me.Perhaps Sigh....:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[WildEyedLiberal]

51. I think I'm gonna hit the hay too

I have to work tomorrow... meh.

I hope you have some sweet, hot John dreams... you too, angrydem... Kleeb, you just have plain ol' sweet dreams. :P

I know I will be dreaming of this...





Sigh.... :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[JohnKleeb]

54. Yeah I'll dream of a couple girls that I like

Thanks for the pleasant dreams wish :).

[angrydemocrat]

55. LOL

You can dream of Kerry's daughters. Somehow we are going to have to start being fair to you and post pictures of them just for you LOL.

[JohnKleeb]

56. aww thats kind

but I was planning to dream of my special girl that I like :).

[vinessa4freedom]

59. how sweet!

does she realize what a lucky girl she is? You've got wisdom beyond your years. Our very own Doogie Hauser! :)