Irony! And aggrevation!

[ray of light]

I watched Lou Dobbs for 10 minutes tonight and Lou was discussing how Obama (and McCain) lack diplomatic relationships overseas. And yet wasn't it Dobbs and his network that ridiculed Kerry for having the nerve to talk to the French? To talk to people in the mideast and to ask for diplomatic actions to bring about peace?

There was irony too, that the media is talking about Bush and McBush taking Obama's position on Iraq and Iran now. I believe they called it a "McBarach" now having to run against Barack.

[wisteria]

1. Lou Dobbs is a conservative attention grabber. He says whatever he thinks will stir people up

and presents himself as a man of he people. Actually, the word blowhard comes to mind.

[Inuca]

3. Blowhard sums it up perfectly

For some reason I find him even more aggravating than say O'Reilly or Hannity. I can watch them in small amounts (VERY small amounts), but the moment I see Dobb's mug I reach for the remote.

[MonteLukast]

2. Should that be an new acronym: INOKIYJK?

It's Not OK If You're John Kerry?

That sure seems to sum up their attitudes. About everything. :banghead:

[ray of light]

4. I should have included this in my 'irony' list...

But it seems this WHOLE 2008 race is about getting the things that Kerry was fighting for in 2004. It's like 2004 was in a time-warp with people and the media focusing on made-up-bull-sh*t. But now, our country is so much more impoverished that even the indies and repubs who said in 04, "flipflop" are now saying that flipflopping is a sign of intellegence! And there's outright acceptance in the media and by 70% of the people in this country that the SBVFT were LIARS and they ACCEPT it! (Not just Dems--but Repubs and Indies and the media! THEY USE the "Swiftboating" term to equal liars!)

There's also widespread admission that the Republicans cheated in 2000 and 2004.

It's like Kerry was UNLUCKY to be the one running in 2004 because people WANT him in 2008 because they are finally able to see that hating gays, hating the French, hating muslims, and holding up little colored 'terror alert warning signs' doesn't keep you safe! Our government has caused the real terror for most people right now! Gas prices soaring. Lower wages. Job loss. Food price increases. Toxins in our food and pet's food and our kids toys.

That's the biggest irony of all. The media WANTS someone just like John Kerry! (And btw...I still see LOTS of Kerry or Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers around here. Of course it's a message. But on the other hand, I've never seen candidate bumper stickers on someone's car 4 years after an election!)

[MBS]

6. oh, yes: EXACTLY. n/t

[MBS]

5. quote on Kerry from article on Obama trip to Europe

from yesterday's (July 18) Boston Globe:

Yet the editorial also recognized his popularity in Europe would not help at home: "To be seen as Europe's pet is the last thing a presidential candidate needs - especially one who wants to shed his elitist image with white working-class American voters."

In France, where Obama's liberal profile appeals to both Socialists and members of President Nicolas Sarkozy's center-right party, pundits recalled that four years ago most of Europe gushed over Democrat John F. Kerry (who spoke impeccable French).

"Look at what good that did him," a Sarkozy friend noted dryly.

[Mass]

9. The Globe is incredibly stupid these days. The only times they talk about Kerry is to dismiss him.

Or in the celebrity column. This blurb , today, is intriguing though. What were all these senators doing there?

http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2008/07/21/no_room_for_gibson/

Power lunch
Senator John Kerry and a party of pols lunched at Davio's the other day. Partaking in the private room were fellow US senators Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, potential Obama veep Joe Biden of Delaware, Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, and US Senate candidate Kay Hagan of North Carolina. . . .

[ladym55]

7. I find all of them hard to tolerate

The bloviating class spout whatever their corporate owners want them to spout. I still am in awe that JK wants to serve a nation that has treated him so very badly and in so many ways.

The corporate media is turning itself into a pretzel at this point to make McCain look like a statesman (and this is hard work, my friends), while trashing Obama at every turn.

They did it to JK in 2004. The election should NOT have been close enough to steal, but with hate and trash sent JK's way then they brought an election close. They are doing it again. I don't see Obama catching a break in ANY media ANYWHERE for the same reasons. Doesn't matter where. It will be tougher this time to get the people to vote against their own best interests, but the Republicans have deep pockets and no morals.

Wesley Clark questioning McCain's ability as commander in chief ... SWIFTBOATING!!!!! BUT it was perfectly fine to trash JK's Vietnam experiences. THAT was okay. :banghead:

[MBS]

8. I share your frustration!

And I also share this sentiment of yours: "I still am in awe that JK wants to serve a nation that has treated him so very badly and in so many ways."

[karynnj]

10. I agree totally with you - and hope that more people learned something

about the fact the media lied since 2004. It won't take that many - Kerry did come very close to winning and, as you know better than I, Bush needed Blackwell in power in Ohio. Your states 2006 changes could make the difference. The differences in year should matter too - the war is hated and the economy bad - unlike in 2004. On the other hand, Obama in the primary debates was no John Kerry, but who is? Kerry needed those 3 exceptional debates to regain what was lost by the hate and trash.

Beyond Wes Clark, who inadvertently proved the need to include in every comment that McCain's POW status did show who he was. That Scheiffer, in a shocked tone, asked if Kerry was questioning McCain's character as Kerry listed honestly major things McCain flip flopped on was even more telling. Kerry had credited McCain's service and spoke of their friendship. It was even listing positions that was off limits to Scheiffer. Following those guidelines, you can't run against McCain. (He ignores Kerry showed integrity as a vet, an anti-war activist, a prosecutor, a lt governor, and a Senator - while McCain was a Keating 5 member and has changed positions politically. I don't recall Scheiffer (hack, TX) deploring the real swiftboating or the flip flopping charge based on an "inartful" statement. )