Will people ever admit that?

[politicasista]

A. Kerry actually responded to the liars and fought the Swifties

B. The media refused to cover his response to the Swifties

C. There was a lack of party support/surrogates to the smears

D. That he would not have conceded if the math in Ohio had changed

E. That Obama is benefiting from Kerry and other big name Dem surrogates who are helping fight the smears, realizing that the candidate can't do it alone

F. That Obama's smackdowns are getting media coverage unlike elections past, and he looks good because of that

G. All of the above



Ok. Just in rant mode (though it won't do much good to blabber about it anymore). Just observing some observations about then and now. And I will just say that ignorance is bliss and baffling.






















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[karynnj]

1. Great list - and I do think that through

repetition this is beginning to get through to most people who want to be fair. (There are some that will likely never get over their prejudices and will never believe that Kerry was a far far better candidate than either Dean or Edwards would ever have been. )

[politicasista]

3. True and thanks

It's just mind boggling that people still don't understand that Obama is benefiting from a less pro-Bush media, the surrogates attacking the smears not the candidate himself, and stronger Dem party support, a DNC chairman that focuses on 50 states, not just the big states.

I want Obama to win and be in the WH, but the ignorance of Kerry and then from some (not all) of Obama's supporters is just baffling and tiresmome. The facts have been posted over and over and over again, yet people still don't get it. Obama is stronger because he has Kerry and others helping him and defending the smears, not Obama himself. It's becoming a turn off period.

But I have noticed that it was Kerry's job to do all the above. :sarcasm:

[ProSense]

2. What's happening is this election cycle is a good thing

It has been building since 2004. Call it lessons learned. Democrats got better at it in 2006, and Obama's campaign is benefiting from that and building on it.

Party organizational unity is a lot better than in 2004.

[politicasista]

4. It is

I am starting to feel what wisteria said a few weeks ago. The ignorance towards Kerry and his response to the smears from some (not all) of Obama's supporters is just tiresome. I want to just say why don't they get it. Obama is stronger because of this and what Gore and Kerry went through.

I guess I am just sick of the apples and oranges arguments (Obama has balls, while his best surrogate was spineless, blah, blah, blah). That is a turn off.

Wake me up when this in-between season of trash talk is over.

[karynnj]

5. There's a part of it that is scary as well

Some Obama supporters are beyond cocky - thinking that Obama has this fighting back thing completely figured out. It is true that many Obama people are former Kerry people and they are following what Kerry was speaking of a few years ago - countering everything immediately.'

The reason I fear over confidence is 2004. Kerry handled the Intern lie with grace, honor and respect for the woman, who was also a victim and he had beaten the first two SBVT attacks. Looking at Kerry at this point versus Gore, people would have said that none of these charges were sticking and the truth was he was a war hero and pretty scandal free. This will not be easy.

What Obama has going for him is that the media is more intrigued by him than they were by Kerry and 2008 is a far better year for a Democrat. But, Obama while Obama has his advantages - on some things Kerry had advantages over Obama, Kerry was an amazingly accomplished candidate.

[politicasista]

8. That is true also

And I am not against Obama it's just the cockiness from some (not all) of his supporters is becoming a turn off in my book. I am glad Obama is standing up to the liars and McCain. And yes, the senator took a big risk aka a bold move in endorsing Obama early on.

I also agree about the media being intrigued by Obama. They are demanding that he do this and do that and keep asking him what's he going to do about insert pet peeve here.

They are making him out to be Superman aka Super Obama (cause they know McCain really sucks bad). Obama won't fix this gas price, economy, war, infrastructure, etc. messes overnight. He is going to need the help of the Democratic controlled congress to help clean it all up. And we the votes, bloggers are going to have to be the media to make this happen.

It's just baffling that they cheer on what Obama is doing, but have sided or bought into the GOP media spin about Kerry, one of the best (ok top) surrogate.

Very mind boggling indeed.

[wisteria]

7. almost 100% better than it was in 2004. Of course, Hillary has done what she could in order to win

and has left Obama with some scars and the Repubs with talking points.

[wisteria]

6. Many people admit that now. Others find it convenient and easy to ignore the truth and continue to

use the same tired and worn out reasons regarding Kerry and the campaign. I wouldn't waist your time on any of these types of people.

[politicasista]

9. Exactly

It's always amazing that you get crickets in response. :rofl:

[Mass]

10. If we are thinking about the same thread, do not be surprised. This guy is a Kerry hater

of the best quality. He wrote a positive Obama thread just to bash Kerry.

[politicasista]

11. Thanks

I guess I decided to lash out because I am hating this in between season of trash talking. Unfortunately, it's going to get worse now that the GE has started. :(

You are right about the OP and it shouldn't be surprising anymore.

[wildflowergardener]

12. no

probably not.

But we know the truth. It doesn't make it any less frustrating to hear the lies repeated again and again.

Meg

[politicasista]

13. Agree

Thought about starting a "there is a right and a wrong way to support/promote Obama" thread but didn't think it was worth the time. Sigh.

[JI7]

14. no

those things just attract bashers. and most people ignore it.

it's not just Kerry. look at all the threads attacking Nancy Pelosi, calling her a war criminal and anything else just because she doesn't support impeachment.

and this is just one person who looks for people like us to respond. i usually ignore that person whenever they post that stuff becacuse responding and giving them attention is what they are looking for.

[politicasista]

15. That is disgusting

I agree. No need to waste bandwidth and giving the trolls and bashers something to eat. :)

[BlueIris]

16. People won't admit it, no. That would require admitting that they can be wrong.

That's simply too much for some of the smug Kerry haters.