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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:31 PM
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Continuing Nostalgic Friday: I'll admit it. Sometimes I miss 2005 DU JK forum.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:47 PM by beachmom
Luckily, there is now a google search engine. Don't worry, nothing too scandalous -- just a few fun conversations I found. Too funny and most of all: FUN:

Catnip, catnip, catnip. Enjoy!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=273x12250#12333

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=273x25461#25476

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=273x14520#14552

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=273x48604

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=273x28318

Believe me -- you type "John Kerry catnip" in the Google DU search function, and there are pages upon pages. Great stuff. This group really rocks!
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:56 PM
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1. From the last link, I came to the wonderful library Dr. Ron has (lots and lots of great articles):
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:26 PM by beachmom
http://kerrylibrary.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=4&st=20#

My God: given the scandal this week of Sidney Blumenthal sending right wing smear e-mails to press people of every sort, well, this just makes me sad:

The Republicans' Kerry problem
Three decades ago, a worried Nixon White House tried to destroy young John Kerry, a war hero who interfered with its plan to smear Democrats as un-American. Today's White House has the same problem.

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By Sidney Blumenthal



Feb. 12, 2004 | From the onset of the Cold War, the Republicans attempted to taint the Democrats as unpatriotic, in league with America's enemies without and within. With its end, one of the central organizing principles of the Republican political strategy dissolved. But in the aftermath of 9/11, George W. Bush and his political advisor Karl Rove reanimated the patriot game, and Democrats were conflated with terrorists and tyrants.

The founding father of the Republican patriot game was Richard Nixon, whose career was borne along by impugning the patriotism of Democratic opponents and uncovering subversives who he claimed represented the heart of the New Deal. His relentless ambition, however, was thwarted when he found himself confronted with a war hero, John F. Kennedy. In 1960, the game was over. But the Vietnam War gave Nixon the platform for his resurrection. Once he became president, the game of smearing the Democrats was reinvented as he set Vietnam veterans and hardhat blue-collar workers (veteran surrogates) against war protesters.

In the spring of 1971, a worrisome new political figure emerged to oppose his Vietnam policy. On April 22, John Kerry, wearing combat fatigues, his Silver Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam?" Kerry asked. "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake? This administration has done us the ultimate dishonor. They have attempted to disown us and the sacrifices we made for this country."

According to Nixon's secret White House tapes, there were a number of fretful meetings held on how to discredit Kerry. Nixon, the ultimate opportunist, wanted to characterize Kerry as one, too. "Well, he is sort of a phony, isn't he?" Nixon says. "A racket, sure." "He came back a hawk and became a dove when he saw the political opportunities," Charles Colson, his hatchet man, says. Nixon sneers, "Well, anyway, keep the faith." Colson sends Nixon a memo: "Destroy the young demagogue..." The day after Kerry's testimony, Nixon held another meeting. Chief of staff H.R. Haldeman says, "He did a superb job on it at Foreign Relations Committee yesterday. A Kennedy-type guy, he looks like a Kennedy, and he, he talks exactly like a Kennedy." That sort of comparison could only incite Nixon's dread and envy. Nixon disbelieves that Kerry won medals for bravery. "Bob, the Navy didn't have any casualties in Vietnam except in the air," he insists. Three days later, Haldeman returns. "We've got some interesting dope on Kerry. Kerry, it turns out, some time ago decided he wanted to get into politics." In another meeting, Haldeman and John Ehrlichman suggest to Nixon that if Kerry led protesters who cut their hair and wore ties and allied with "the hardhats," they would win a majority to their side. "That's right," says Nixon. But, he adds, "They're against all that."


Damn 2008 -- it keeps creeping into my 2005 nostalgia. I really thought the Bush years were as bad as it got -- but the idea that so many from our own side would betray fellow Democrats and the ideals they held dear. Well, that actually seems worse than the Bush years. Betrayal always stings more.

Edit: I needed to show the contrast between what Sidney wrote in '04, and what he has been doing this year:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/sidney-blumenthal-uses-fo_b_99695.html

Almost every day over the past six months, I have been the recipient of an email that attacks Obama's character, political views, electability, and real or manufactured associations. The original source of many of these hit pieces are virulent and sometimes extreme right-wing websites, bloggers, and publications. But they aren't being emailed out from some fringe right-wing group that somehow managed to get my email address. Instead, it is Sidney Blumenthal who, on a regular basis, methodically dispatches these email mudballs to an influential list of opinion shapers -- including journalists, former Clinton administration officials, academics, policy entrepreneurs, and think tankers -- in what is an obvious attempt to create an echo chamber that reverberates among talk shows, columnists, and Democratic Party funders and activists. One of the recipients of the Blumenthal email blast, himself a Clinton supporter, forwards the material to me and perhaps to others.

These attacks sent out by Blumenthal, long known for his fierce and combative loyalty to the Clintons, draw on a wide variety of sources to spread his Obama-bashing. Some of the pieces are culled from the mainstream media and include some reasoned swipes at Obama's policy and political positions.

But, rather remarkably for such a self-professed liberal operative like Blumenthal, a staggering number of the anti-Obama attacks he circulates derive from highly-ideological and militant right-wing sources such as the misnamed Accuracy in Media (AIM), The Weekly Standard, City Journal, The American Conservative, and The National Review.

...

Earlier this year, one theme pushed by Clinton supporters and buoyed by Blumenthal's efforts, was that Obama's appeal was similar to that of a messianic cult leader. Obama's capacity to inspire people was reframed as a kind of malevolent force, as though his followers would somehow willingly drink poisoned Kool-Aid if Obama so demanded. In his February 7 Time magazine column, "Inspiration vs. Substance," writer Joe Klein, who, like Blumenthal, worked on the Boston alternative paper, The Real Paper, in the 1970s, wrote: "There was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism -- 'We are the ones we've been waiting for' -- of the Super Tuesday speech and the recent turn of the Obama campaign." That same morning, Blumenthal sent the Klein column to his email list. Later that day, in his Political Punch blog, ABC News reporter Jake Tapper wrote, "The Holy Season of Lent is upon us. Can Obama worshippers try to give up their Helter-Skelter cultish qualities for a few weeks?" (Update: In response to OffTheBus, Tapper is categorical in denying that he in any way relied upon Blumenthal or was influenced by Blumenthal in the production or in the writing of this story or his reports on William Ayers or the Obama "cult")

The following day, in the Los Angeles Times, columnist Joel Stein wrote: "Obamaphilia has gotten creepy. What the Cult of Obama doesn't realize is that he is a politician."

After this idea had bounced around the media echo chamber for a few days, the liberal watchdog group Media Matters for America, run by David Brock, posted a summary on February 8 of the sudden outbreak of "cult" references about Obama. It was headlined: "Media figures call Obama supporters' behavior 'creepy,' compare them to Hare Krishna and Manson followers." The next day, Blumenthal sent the Media Matters piece to his email list. A few days later, the New York Times' Paul Krugman, a Clinton supporter, weighed in with a column, "Hate Springs Eternal," in which he wrote, "I'm not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to a cult of personality." Nor would he be the last. Four days later, Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer, an arch conservative, penned a column entitled, "The Audacity of Selling Hope" in which he simply quoted Klein, Tapper, Stein, and Krugman.


I remember the cult thing -- it was so weird how it came out of nowhere, and then was everywhere. Mystery solved, I guess.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:02 PM
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2. Anyway, here is the wonderful article from Charles Pierce reposted:
John Kerry: Bad Ass Politician

The Misunderestimation of John Kerry
Beware of this man. He's won every race that he was supposed to lose.

by Charles P. Pierce | Jun 01 '04

This is how the story will begin for me, when I tell it in another saloon some day, maybe ten years from now, as the ocean darkens outside the windows. It begins with the sun falling over Falmouth Harbor on Cape Cod, falling literally over a yardarm, and the water going gold first, and then a deeper blue.

It was the middle week in August of the election year 1982. The Falmouth Road Race had been run that morning, and thousands of people had shown up for the race and for the extended weekend frivolity that had come to surround it, which meant there were thousands of hands to shake and dozens of politicians to shake them, even politicians running for lieutenant governor. John Nance Garner is famous for having described the vice-presidency of the United States as being not worth "a bucket of warm piss." Being lieutenant governor of Massachusetts is pretty much the same thing, except without the bucket.

Nevertheless, there were people running for it, and one of them was Evelyn Murphy, who'd hired a truck to follow along behind the racers and pick up all their discarded paper cups and orange peels. The truck had big signs on it promoting her candidacy. Her principal opponent, a former assistant district attorney for Middlesex County named John Kerry, had spent the day on his boat with his personal aide, a former PGA Tour caddie named Chris Greeley. The two of them came wandering into the saloon as the afternoon waned.

There were five of us there, sipping some cool restoratives, and Kerry was telling tales of his days as an antiwar counterculture hero in New York City at what turned out to be the shank end of the Age of Aquarius. One of our company had been a bartender at the late, lamented Lion's Head in Greenwich Village at roughly the same time, so he and Kerry had run in the same circles, and they swapped stories about who had gone home with whom at the end of whatever long evening. The names flew and I lost track of them after a while, and I believe I somehow ended up with the notion that G. Gordon Liddy had participated in enthusiastic tag-team gymnastics with Joni Mitchell and Bella Abzug.

At that time, I knew what everybody in Massachusetts knew about John Kerry. We knew about the decorated hero from Vietnam who, at twenty-seven, had come home and asked Congress a question that a lot of people should've asked in 1965: "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" We knew that what was supposed to have been a golden political career had run aground. He'd lost a bizarre congressional race in 1972, entered the DA's office in Middlesex County, and was now running for lieutenant governor because he had to prove he could get elected to something .

"That race," an old Kerry aide recalls, talking about one of the least significant political offices ever devised by the hand of man, "was sudden death, because if he'd lost, that would've been twice, and that was the ball game."

We also knew Kerry was aloof and patrician, given to unfortunate bouts of earnest public sonority. In short, we knew he wasn't a pol, didn't have an easy connection to people, was not a natural. We knew this, mind you, because we'd seen him run for office, and because we'd seen him lose, and if he'd been a pol, he could've overcome his wealth and privilege the way Jack Kennedy had. Nevertheless, here he was, in the softening summer evening, not merely good company but great saloon company, the way a pol is great saloon company. A storyteller, for chrissakes, the way the old guys are up in the joints on Beacon Hill, the gin blossoms exploding on their faces like old sins detonating beneath the skin. This was the first time I realized that John Kerry was not completely grim. Hell, it was the first time I realized he wasn't made out of wood.

And now here he is, son of a bitch, two decades later, up on a stage in Washington, D. C., spotlights thrown all around him, the presumptive presidential nominee of the Democratic party. He's surrounded by former presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton and flanked by the other candidates who'd had all those qualities that John Kerry is supposed to lack—John Edwards, who had more charisma, and Howard Dean, who had more passion—and all of whom John Kerry had beaten like tin drums in an astonishing piece of politics between Christmas and the first month of the New Year.

MORE at Ron's library link.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:24 PM
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3. that reminds me of this site with politicians as Elvis
i can't post direct on here. but most of them look like idiots , creepy etc. but there is one that looks really really cute.

http://www.freakingnews.com/Elvis-Pictures---310.asp
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:30 PM
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5. Boy, that pic looks like JFK
No, the other JFK from boston.


LOL!
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:30 PM
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6. Of course, he would be the YOUNG Elvis. :)
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:28 PM
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4. We can add our own memories and affirmations to that
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:32 PM by TayTay
We have our own treasure-trove of things to add.

There have been stresses and strains in the last year. The primaries this year have taken a toll, as they inevitably would.

I think we should have more pic threads and find happy things to post. Everyone seems worn out and tired lately at DU. (Or at each other's throats.)

Hmmm, how can I help?

Hmmm, me thinks we also need some sort of phone-in.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:41 PM
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7. I'm so bummed out about the '08 presidential primary that '05 is looking good!
I mean 2005? 2005 totally and royally SUCKED. Bush was at the height of his power (I earned political capital, and I intend to SPEND IT). The Democrats were in the minority in Congress. Kerry was well hated throughout the blogosphere, and we definitely caught stories of Dems being downright nasty. But we got through it, and had fun doing so. 2008 is like this awful thing, like a bad accident, you can't quite look away from. Give me windsurfing and talks about the old school days of St. Paul and Yale, and talk of what the peace movement was about to stop the Vietnam War. It sure beats the unbelievably asinine and utterly silly Democratic primary of 2008. Why is somebody's pastor such a big story? Why are hurt and emotionally spent people spending so much time analyzing a video from 16 years ago? Why is a Democrat siding with the Republican on silly panders like a gas tax holiday, and employing the worst kind of smearing using right wing outlets to do so? I just have had it, and want to crawl back into a hole and away from it. Yet I can't look away . . .

I guess 2008 feels lonely a bit with our Kerry coalition semi-fractured. I will say that most names in those old archives are still there, and that makes me hopeful. But 2009 could be another 2005 if Clinton gets in. I don't care if that is impolitic to say here -- they said "Kerry is dead to us" and I just think that would be downright awful if we have to reprise a different yet still terrible 2005 in 2009. And I am worried, worried, worried.

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:55 PM
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8. It is hard to read the blogs right now
We are not talking about the future in any real sense. We are talking about junk that doesn't matter. None of the things being brought up right now will be around in 2009, no matter who gets elected.

In a way, we are too close to the process. The blogs bring an intense microscope to the primary season that is difficult to place in perspective. I do know that most of what is being discussed now will fade away in the near future. (Give or take 7 months or so.)

I think we still hold to hope in here. We want to cross that threshold into a more hopeful place. But we still have to wander in the desert of the primaries for a while and then get through an election. (And, ack, we still have to get through 8 more months of Bush.)

2005 was a nasty year. We formed the bonds we have in here because of that. There is also a lesson in that. (Honestly, part of me wishes I had a time machine and could just advance it 6 months. Part of me doesn't because then I would miss the good stuff coming up. Sigh!)
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:37 PM
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11. ...egh. I'm trying to avoid actively worrying, but
if the primaries go in the direction they could, 2009 will be so much worse than 2005.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:01 AM
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9. I didn't know JK was the "best student in his elementary school" in that Swiss school he went to:
Swiss school basks in John Kerry limelight

swissinfo February 18, 2004 8:40 AM

The Institut Montana, a boarding school near the Swiss town of Zug, is hoping to reap dividends from its association with John Kerry, who was a pupil there 50 years ago.

The Institut Montana has changed little since United States Democratic presidential frontrunner John Kerry attended it as a student exactly 50 years ago.

The Montana has been inundated with calls from the media over the past few weeks, all wanting to learn more about Kerry’s one-year stay at the school.

Kerry’s file - kept in a plain manila folder bearing the number 2587 – contains his school reports and reveals that he was top of the class in most subjects.

look very impressive - even by our high standards,” says Daniel Fridez, director of the Montana.

“Here is a mid-term report written by the dean which says he was the best student of the elementary school,” he told swissinfo.
T
his is the most sought-after document from the past 50 years.

Daniel Fridez, school director


School records

Kerry’s file now contains a selection of newspaper clippings which have appeared over the past few weeks about the school and its most famous student.

“This is the most sought-after document from the past 50 years,” says Fridez, pointing to a copy of the school newspaper from December 1954.

Inside, an 11-year-old Kerry describes a trip to Zurich with the school’s other American students to celebrate Thanksgiving.

As the older boys “browsed around bookstores”, Kerry and his classmates roamed through “an ancient weapons museum and the city zoo”.

They then met at the railway station for a “delicious dinner plus Coca-Colas (which we had to pay for ourselves)”.

“Kerry effect”

“It would be fantastic if we would have lots of Americans coming here because of the Kerry effect,” says Fridez.

If the Kerry name does work wonders, new students will discover a place that has changed little over the past five decades.

The Montana complex consists of former 19th century hotel buildings and a large wooden chalet with a commanding view over Lake Zug and the central Swiss Alps.

It shares the Zugerberg hilltop with a small dairy farm and in winter boasts an outdoor ice hockey rink, ski lift and cross-country trail.


Daniel Fridez (right) and the class of 2004 (swissinfo)


Traditional values

But more important than the setting, argues Fridez, are the “traditional values” the school still teaches, which include “being open to the world, respecting others, and learning how to take responsibility for one’s self”.

He says it is these qualities which prepare Montana’s students for positions of leadership and authority.

“The school has given me an international perspective,” agrees 18-year-old American student Fred Schmidt, after attending a history lesson with teenagers from about a dozen nations.

“You have people from all over the world here. There are students from different cultures with different beliefs,” he continues.

“You have to find a way to retain your individuality, but also to get along with everyone else and understand where they come from. I think that’s a great stepping stone if you want to become a high-ranking official like John Kerry.”

First choice

When his parents gave him the choice of going to a boarding school in the US or Europe, Schmidt chose the latter.

“It’s a great place to be, especially Switzerland,” he says, adding that politicians could learn from the Swiss model as he is doing, and as Kerry did before him.

“Obviously the American government can’t be neutral, but it can learn how a multicultural country gets along in the world, respecting the rights of other nations.”

Kevin O’Brien, dean of Montana’s international section, says students are talking more about politics as a result of Kerry’s success in the Democratic primaries.

“The kids have always liked to discuss politics and I think with John Kerry there’s been an increased interest,” he says.

“I think everybody wants to see a former Montana student as the next president. That would be very good for us.”

Schmidt sums up the mood and air of excitement at the school ahead of November’s presidential election.

“Look where Kerry is now, he could be president,” he says, “and he went to school here!”
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:29 AM
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10. Thanks for the catnip thread beachmom
Lousy day for me for a gazillion reasons, so this helped a bit :-). I hope I will be able to put myself together later and get my depressed ass to IN and hopefully help a tiny, tiny bit over there, from a selfish perspective that should help with the cheering up too.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:02 PM
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12. Heh - most of us had the hots for Sen Kerry - still do. AND in some cases for Teresa, too.
heh...that would be .....me. ;)
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