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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:40 PM
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Sen Clinton has a bill on what to do about Iraq
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 09:43 PM by TayTay
and the video of the speech that she made today at around 6:00 pm is up on her Senate website. (Sigh!)

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=268851

God she is a dull speaker. Unfortunately, there is no transcript up yet of her remarks and the YouTube video doesn't advance. Sigh! Her proposal is about half way through. I know there were 3 points and a Friedman (six months) to get it right or we renegotiate the authority. Nothing in writing though yet.
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:42 PM
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1. I'd comment, but it wouldn't be nice.
Not nice at all.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 10:24 PM
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2. Won't this bill be sent to the SFRC ?
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 10:25 PM by karynnj
or can it go somewhere else like the Armed Serices committee.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 10:42 PM
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3. Probably SFRC first
But it might go to Armed services. Depends on whether it is policy or tactics, I guess.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 12:05 AM
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4. In further Hillary news...
found this nugget in today's Globe gossip column: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2007/02/07/a_memorable_date_at_camp_david/

There's a lot to like about Terry McAuliffe's heavily hyped book "What a Party!" The Clinton confidant spins an entertaining tale, and in the process drops some serious names. In what other political memoir will you find mentions of "Misha" Baryshnikov, Peter Fonda, Lenny Kravitz, Eric Clapton, Angie Dickinson, and Leonardo DiCaprio? But it's an episode involving Ben Affleck and Matt Damon that caught our eye. In '98, the pair partied with Bill and Hillary at a screening of "Good Will Hunting" at Camp David. The Oscar winners arrived during the day, and Matt, Ben, McAuliffe, and Clinton watched the Broncos/Steelers playoff game. During dinner, while Damon bent Madeleine Albright's ear, Ben rose to greet his date. "Who's that?" McAuliffe asked Hillary. "That's Gwyneth Paltrow, the actress, you idiot," snapped the first lady. The group then climbed into golf carts and headed to the theater. McAuliffe writes that Ben and Gwyn snuggled on one love seat, and Bill and Hill were on the other. "Affleck and Paltrow didn't come up for air the whole time," writes McAuliffe. "I guess they'd already seen the movie." When the lights came on, Clinton said he loved the movie's romantic ending, adding that, like Matt's character, he once ran after a girl. "Best decision I ever made, too," he said. A few days later, The Washington Post would report that Clinton was involved with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky.


Charming.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 12:14 AM
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5. Well. Clinton wasn't always honest now was he? n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 12:33 AM
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6. Funny how they left out
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:20 AM
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7. But --- adding that date
Edited on Thu Feb-08-07 08:06 AM by karynnj
makes her a multiple flip flopper, rather than someone making a smooth transition. What's more telling is that there is NO speech that is referenced from Oct 2002 till the war started. I have been pointing that out as a difference between JK and almost all other IWR voters - he did speak out when it was clear Bush was violating the promises. This does matter to me.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:32 AM
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8. Not a bad idea, but why wait six months,
Say you will not renew the mandate when it comes for renewal at the end of the year and that, except if the international community steps up the plate, the troops will be withdrawn. Give them six months to find a solution where the US does not lead, even if they commit forces to a truly international force.

I know it would be gutsy to propose as many Americans would not want to see their troops under the control of another entity, except may be NATO, but, if she is going to propose something, she should not go for half measures.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:54 AM
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9. What a lousy speaker she is. I lost track after 5 minutes.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 12:55 PM
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10. I'm listening to her speaking to Ed Schultz right now
and I can hardly stand it! Her voice is so grating on me I want to pull my hair out! How can I listen to what she's saying if I can't listen to her voice! ARgh--what is she trying to do, anyway--sound tough? This isn't going over with me and I wonder how many others think the same.

It's going to be a long year. :(
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 01:01 PM
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11. So, she finally caved to
Ed's bitching, huh? Shocker.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 01:08 PM
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12. Ginny - I am so glad you wrote this
because I have the same reaction. Funny that you and I grew up in states bracketing where she did - you in WI, me in IN near Chicago - that tone is not due to accent or is it at all common for that area, especially given her age.

It is Hillary.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 03:38 PM
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15. she grew up in the Midwest?
Well if she did she doesn't act like it anymore! Midwesterners tend to not want to get in peoples' faces. Yes,especially for her age. It seems so unnatural--she strains her voice to make it sound more powerful--but it ends up sounding like a screech to me. It's pushy and aggressive, not assertive.

Take Nancy Pelosi as an example of how a female politician should speak. She speaks clearly and with authority, but nobody thinks she's trying to be a bully or imitate a man. I hope Nancy runs for president one day.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 06:31 PM
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16. In Park Ridge, Illinois
which I think is one of the Northwestern suburbs of Chicago. She really doesn't seem Midwestern, but I bet that she can metastasize into one.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 09:18 AM
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17. I got out my Chicago map and found it.
It is indeed northwest of Chicago, and just northeast of O'Hare airport. Who knew.

She's good at morphing; when she was speaking to a Southern black audience a year or so ago, she adopted a Southern drawl.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 01:13 PM
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13. Here is the meat of that speech, what Sen. Clinton is proposing
I will be introducing legislation that I think offers a better alternative. First, my legislation will cap the number of troops in Iraq as of January 1st and will require the administration to seek congressional authorization for any additional troops. The President has finally said, this is not an open-ended commitment in Iraq , but he is providing the Iraqis with an open-ended presence of American troops.

Second, as a means to increase our leverage with the Iraqi Government and to clearly send a message that there are consequences to their inaction, I would impose conditions for continued funding of the Iraqi security forces and the private contractors working for the Iraqis.

My legislation would require certification that the security forces were free of sectarian and militia influence and were actually assuming greater responsibility for Iraqi security, along with other conditions. We must not let U.S. funds, taxpayer funds, be used to train members of sectarian militias who are responsible for so much of the violence in Iraq . Unfortunately, it appears our funds to Iraqi security forces may be going to the people we are trying to restrain.

A news report last week in an article entitled ``Mahdi Army Gains Strength through Unwitting Aid of U.S.'' reports that:


..... the U.S. military drive to train and equip Iraq's security forces has unwittingly strengthened Muslin cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia, which has been battling to take over much of the capital city as American forces are trying to secure it.


According to this new report, U.S. Army commanders and enlisted men who are patrolling East Baghdad, said al-Sadr's militias had heavily infiltrated the Iraqi police and Army units that they've trained and armed. Said one soldier:

They'll wave at us during the day and shoot at us during the night.

We need to inform the Iraqi Government, in no uncertain terms, that there are consequences, that we will take funds away from their troops--not from our troops, many of whom still lack armored vehicles and counterinsurgency measure devices and communications equipment.

And we will not fund the Iraqis if our troops are going to enter into sectarian battles where some of the participants have received American training and support.

Third, I would hold the administration accountable for their empty promises as well. My bill requires the Bush administration to certify that Iraq has disarmed the militias, has ensured that a law has finally been passed for the equitable sharing of oil revenues; that the Iraqi Government, under American influence and even pressure, has made the constitutional changes necessary to ensure rights for minority communities; that the debaathification process has been reversed to allow teachers, professionals, and others who joined the Baath Party as a means to get a job to serve in the new Iraqi Government.

I would also require the administration to engage in a regional diplomatic initiative, including all of Iraq's neighbors, to address Iraq's future and to understand and convey clearly that the United States expects Iraq's neighbors to be partners in the stability and security of the new Iraqi state.

If these conditions are not met or are not on their way to being met within 6 months, a new congressional authorization requirement would be triggered.

Finally, I would prohibit any spending to increase troop levels unless and until the Secretary of Defense certifies that our American troops will have the proper training and equipment for GPO's whatever mission they are ordered to fulfill.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 01:40 PM
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14. Ok, what is wrong with it?
The things that comes to my mind are, no deadline, major concerns about dollars being spend and withholding those funds if results aren't determined within six months. A cap on troop levels unless Bush asks for more and gets approval, BUT, still a continuation of the war with American troops involved indefinitely.
This seems to offer accountability and follow-up, but nothing much else. Am I wrong here?
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 09:31 AM
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18. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Talk is cheap, Senator.
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 09:32 AM by beachmom
This is STILL criticism of the conduct of the war. And it includes a F.U. (Friedman Unit) which we don't have, which our troops don't have. This would maybe have worked a year ago, but not now, in 2007. And is she going to live up to her plan 6 months from now, and say the hell with it, let's set a date and get out? I doubt it.

You know, this crap doesn't even sound good. I study Iraq incessantly, and this was hard for me to read, so I can imagine, people less engaged in current events, will just glaze over trying to figure out what her plan is.

This is a dud. Hillary is in trouble.

Edited to add: so far, I like Obama's plan the best (I wonder why? :))

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 09:54 AM
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19. A smart move on Dodd's part would be
to sign on to Kerry's plan if he agrees with it - and they have sounded more in line with each other since they went to the ME.

The advantage is that Dodd would have someone working hard in the Senate and in the media on that issue. In more hopeful times, I had hoped that a variation on this theme would be Gore and Kerry having that type of relationship on global warming (with Gore in the media obviously).

I would support any candidate who did this - and I would not take it as weakness that they don't have a plan of their own.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:03 AM
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20. Tell him that - email and then follow up and call his office.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:12 PM
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21. Not a bad idea - but it would only make sense when
Kerry actually introduces his plan. Dodd is on Kerry's sub-committee - so I would assume that he would have some involvement in whatever markup process there is.

One major advantage of doing that if he actually agrees with Kerry, is that he could then point to how right Kerry was all along. It could give him some instant credit on Iraq.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:26 PM
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22. They should talk about it next week
SFRC hearing on Thursday, Feb 15th. Kerry will chair the committee hearing to examine the next US Ambassador to Iraq and another State Dept appointment to Afghanistan. (As chair of that subcommittee.)

The subject might come up.
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