I was able to shut up a Bush lover real quick!

[holiday]

She was going on how liberal John Kerry is and certainly I can't be that liberal. I still know what right and wrong is..etc.

I told her well I don't know of any work he has done or any laws he wants passed that are immoral. Not to mention he has a completely clean life.. no past of drugs, alcohol, prostitues, mistresses, shady business deals.. nothing. He is clean. And you know with politicians that is hard to find.

Shut her up real quick. Knowing that Bush has drugs, alcohol, and shady business deals in his past.

That is another thing I admire about John Kerry. He doesn't have to talk about religion, he lives it! I remember during election time the other side would try to throw mud and I was like "that's the worst you got? If that is the worst you can come up on him then he is pretty damn good candidate!"

You know how shady Bush and his campaign people are, they had nothing on him when it came to his life, personality or moral conduct.

[ginnyinWI]

1. good for you, holiday!

I'm kind of surprised that a Bushite would still be ragging on JK. Are they still feeling threatened a bit, perhaps? Not so sure of their guy, maybe...I know that is going around in their ranks. I do hope they get a huge case of Buyer's Remorse. We need to take our country back! Starting in 2006, if all goes well, we will. :)

[karynnj]

2. Maybe Buyer's remorse coupled with rejector's regret

Where Rejector's regret should be defined as regret for rejecting a completely superior viable alternative. I think the fact that the media is still spending time on a daily basis mocking Kerry is because they are afraid that if they simply reported his activities people would respect his dignified behavior and the sincere efforts he has made in his job as a Senator and as a Democratic leader.

[ginnyinWI]

3. you mean cable news?

I haven't been watching-- so who is doing the worst mocking? Nothing bad on the major networks, that I've seen, although the only thing they've had lately is the MTP interview. On DU I've heard a lot about Chris Matthews lately.

[karynnj]

4. Mathews has

Matthews said that Kerry was, I think, off tune on Iraq on MTP (I think he was maddest at the comment that it really was GWB's last chance to get it right. - I thought Kerry was extremely clear! Some of the other comments were from some of the women who read the news. Imus has made incredibly obnoxious comments about Kerry - not knowing how to react to the SOTU etc (seemingly no understanding or compassion for how tough it has to be for Kerry to politely take part in these ceremonial activities knowing that cameras will pick up any facial expression.) He also made even nastier references to Teresa, who he refered to earlier this week as a human ATM.

[Pirate Smile]

5. Mike Barnicle was on Imus this morning and said he talked to Kerry

yesterday. Barnicle said Kerry said (geez, it sounds like junior high)that Imus misunderstood. Imus said Kerry called him yesterday and he didn't take the call or talk to him. Barnicle said Kerry would be on the show, and he and Imus essential decided Kerry would be on Monday morning. Who the hell knows! We will see if Kerry calls Imus on Monday morning or if it was all BS.

edit to add: If Kerry doesn't call, Imus could do one of his typical freak-outs like when the train didn't stop at the ranch. Oh no, the world is ending, Kerry's train didn't stop at Imus' ranch. Boo hoo.

[karynnj]

8. Didn't see that

because earlier this week, I told my husband to put on any other channel - even sports!- rather than Imus. He'll think I'm crazy now when I put it on on Monday.

[Pirate Smile]

9. I know how you feel. Sometimes it is unwatchable but if they have someone

I like on, I'll watch it - which is how I am with Washington Journal also.

[angrydemocrat]

15. Yes I seen That

He will be on Monday at 7:29am to set the dumbass I-MAN straight who seems to have developed a brain tumor as of late! He talks good about Kerry in one breath then turns around and talks about him like he is total shit gets on my damn nerves. I guess we are lucky he voted for Kerry. I think what Kerry will get Imus going on is his Kids First Act. And who better to get on board with than one of the biggest motor mouths in the whole country LOL. And I think Kerry has this same thought. Because you know Imus has that ranch and the take care of sick kids with cancer, blood diseases, ect. Anyhow I have to give credit where credit is do there Imus does alot for sick kids he really does no matter what a ass he may be on TV and the radio. And I personally have seen him almost break down in tears over some of those kids when they died. Imus and his wife love kids.

So if Kerry goes and talks to the I-MAN and gets him on board with his Kids First Act he will have hit a home run folks trust me and Kerry knows this as well. And I don't think he will have a tuff time selling it to the I-MAN especially if he does what I think he will and take a lot of these recorded messages from families that have called in and recorded their personal stories over not having health care for their kids and what it has done to their families. So Kerry is right on track with this one. I think Barnicle knew this as well but he didn't say it. We will have to see. BTW has anyone went to Kerry's website and listen to the recorde calls they have up now? If not you should. I got a email from him letting me know about the site had the calls on it and he still wants people to keep calling so if you know anyone who hasn't get them on the horn!

[Pirate Smile]

20. I haven't gone to listen yet. I want to hear Little Clarkie. Did you

call?

[angrydemocrat]

28. Yes

I have listened to what they have posted so far. I have also called myself. But my call hasn't been posted yet.

[ginnyinWI]

6. ugh.

And all that is about money; MSNBC's rating trail the other two by far, and they are obviously trying to grab some of FOX's viewers. They let Keith Olberman have a slant to the left to grab those viewers. Money, money, money.

Problem is that the sheeple don't realize they are being manipulated. :eyes:

[Pirate Smile]

10. I don't understand the thinking behind going after Faux viewers instead

of trying to get the other half of the country - a huge untapped, under-served market.

They are putting Tucker on opposite Hannity. I would love to have something interesting to watch at that time but obviously none of these channels want my viewership.

Do they really think the RW'ers are going to stop watching Hannity and Faux and start watching Tucker, followed by Scarborough. At the same time Dennis Miller is on CNBC. :wtf:

God, it pisses me off. I'm a news junkie and these channels are making it impossible to watch anything. All I want is at least both sides represented (and Colmes doesn't friggin count). Arrrgghh.

[ginnyinWI]

11. I'm a junkie too

but I still get plenty without cable news. Ok, sometimes I just put CNN on for some headlines, or watch Keith Olbermann's news, but I avoid the interview-type shows. I got cured of them after the election when I felt so hurt that I couldn't face hearing anything negative about Kerry or Edwards.

So I watch Cspan, Charlie Rose, Newshour, and the Sunday morning talk shows if someone good is on. And a surprise lately: Ted Koppel on Nightline. He has good, balanced programs about topics interesting to Democrats (I tivo it--always on so late here).

Lately I've seen Howard Zinn and James Fallows, both on Cspan, Sy Hersch was on Charlie Rose (I've read that JK likes Charlie by the way), and Ted Koppel had a town hall meeting about Iraq with Joe Wilson v.s. Richard Perle, and in the audience was Bobby Muller of VVAW fame, in his wheelchair, yelling at the enlisted men in the audience who were reciting the party line about "stay the course" and crap, telling them to wake up and realize that the government is lying to them. Loved that! (If you have Tour of Duty you can look him up in the index.) He's another one who is "a little older and a little grayer" but who still knows how to fight for his country.

Rather than running through programs looking for the good guests, I watch the interviewers that I like and trust, and assume that they will get the best guests on their shows--that they will "come to me" instead. My anger level is much more manageable now! :)

[karynnj]

12. The Koppel townsquare was interesting

He actually gave people enough time to make well thought out statements. Joe wilson was incredible he made Perle look like an idiot. Marty Meehan was there too. (Perle + George Allen < Wilson + Meehan). Muller was also in Going Upriver - where among other things he mentioned how Kerry made him and others more moderate, they also had a clip of him in the 70s on one of the talk shows. He is/was great. (I did wonder what he thinks of Kerry's Iraq position)

[ginnyinWI]

13. Bobby Muller

Thanks for the tip--I'll go back and look for him on Going Upriver. He really cut through the crap on that show.

Your comment about being glad people weren't cut off shows us just how far we've drifted from true journalism on most shows. We think it's normal for Dems to get cut off. Sigh.

[karynnj]

17. You are so right

My family has gone to the TV and Broadcast museum when we're in NYC quite often. They have a set up where you can see old TV - shows, famous events etc So I've seen old commercials, old shows etc and it's strange how things changed over time. The news shows really were so much better in the 60s. So much of what we get now is a weird mix of trivia and propaganda.

The campaign coverage was so bad this year. My sister in Arizona was very surprised at the huge (bigger than any she's seen in the about 20 years she lived there) Kerry crowd in Kingman. The crowd was huge even though they waited for over 2 hours in 100+ degree weather. She and her husband said Kerry was very well received and gave a great speech (her husband got to be near the front because he was a vet), she was even more impressed with Teresa (partially because she expected Kerry to be great and had no preconceived opinion of Teresa) - she was amazed at how real, kind, and intelligent she was. My niece later told me her dad, who always disappeared quickly when we started talking politics at our family reunions, spent the summer glued to C-Span watching Kerry rallies. The only national press was that he went there. (and later some weird comment implying Teresa was no good on this trip) Me,living in a blue state - we saw nothing!

I think next time I go to NYC I'll look at some of the old news shoes (or see what they have with 1970-1971 Kerry). I hope they have some in the achieves.

[Pirate Smile]

14. Was Muller the one that talked about what JK did during the ceremony where

they gave their ribbons, medals, etc. back?

[angrydemocrat]

16. Did You Hear Imus Say

That MSNBC must have lost it for hiring Tucker Carlson. And he was also saying Scarborough was full of shit and getting ridiculous lately with all this religous stuff. He said that this morning. He was also giving Matthews hell over saying that they set that deal up with the parents of the dead soldier and the Iraqi women the other night at the SOTU. So he got their asses this morning especially Scarborough and Matthews. But he was raising hell over them hiring Tucker Carlson.

[Pirate Smile]

25. I missed everything but the part with Barnicle. Imus always bashes

Scarborough but have you ever heard him say anything about Olberman? I don't think I have.

[angrydemocrat]

29. One Time I Did

But he was agreeing with Keith not bashing him. It was over the sponge bob thing. Imus say's it is just stupid and it is. Other than that I have never heard him mention Keith.

[Pirate Smile]

31. He must like him because he bashes everybody else.

Olberman was hilarious tonight - at least the first half that I saw. I always have frequent interruptions (otherwise known as my 3 munchkins) at that time of night.

I love Keith.

[GRLMGC]

7. God, I hate Matthews

He needs his ass kicked fucking hard. And why is he still attacking Kerry's family. GAAAHHHH. I swear to God, if I ever see that guy...grrrr

[CBHagman]

18. Wait a minute. What did Tweety say?

He's going after Kerry's family? How? And more importantly, WHY? You have to be a mean-spirited being to kick somebody around three months after the election. I'm beginning to think the media is populated by people who sucked up to wealthy kids in high school and resented the real achievers.

By the way, last summer I walked past the set of "Hardball" (It was filming at the waterfront in Georgetown), and some woman passing by screamed, "Chris Matthews, you're a punk, and you were a punk 20 years ago!" Or words to that effect. I hope that was audible on TV.

[GRLMGC]

22. ahahahaha

He's a douchebag. I hate him.

[karynnj]

19. Imus not Matthews

If the comment is from my earlier comment - it was Imus not Matthews who mentioned Teresa.

Matthews was talking about MTP/ Iraq The way I did the subject may be cause for this misinformation. I was talking about 3 different people and had a poor subject- unless you are referring to something else

Sorry for having written so poorly in the above message. heard

[GRLMGC]

21. I'd still kick Matthews ass

haha. I hate them both

[karynnj]

24. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't spreading misinformation

by not writing carefully. I dislike both as well - but guess I should watch Imus on Monday. As Angrydem wrote Kerry probably wants to promote the kids' health thing. During the campaign Kerry did seem to be able to get Imus to just let him speak - the problem was the cracks after he was off the air.

I hope he doesn't throw the stupid train thing at Kerry. It always seemed that there was clearly a communications failure. (It would be illogical for the K/E campaign to agree to it then not stop. Even ignoring that Kerry obviously loves kids, politically it would not make sense.) So, accepting the simpler explanation would Imus never communicated it.

[livvy]

26. IMUS is a jackass

He is pissed at Kerry because he wanted him to stop the train when it crossed the ranch property he owns. He has a ranch where he hosts kids with cancer and other life threatening diseases. He felt that since he supported Kerry in the campaign, he should have had the train stop at the Imus "crossroad" so the kids could greet him. He did have all the kids there, I guess, and the train just choo-chooed through. I think it was really early in the A.M. Kerry apparently contacted him later, apologized, and said that everyone was really exhausted, and that's why they didn't stop. If you know anything about Imus, you know he is the ultimate self-absorbed jerk, most of the time. The only reason I watch the program in the morning is because it is humorous at times, he does have some interesting guests, and he will ask some real questions. He's incredibly uninformed, though, or stupid, or it's just a part of the show. At any rate, it beats MSM.
By the way, this morning he asked why Senator Kerry had tried to contact him. He used to interview him regularly until the crossroads incident. I found it interesting that Kerry was trying to get in touch. I wonder what he has to say. Considering what a bullhead Imus is, it seems a curious thing.
Imus did get a good jab at Cheney. He hates Cheney and has often made very derogatory statements about him. Anyway Cheney asked to be on the program. During the interview, Cheney said something about not wanting to get involved in a war in the Middle East. Imus responded by saying something like well, aren't we already involved in a war in the Middle East, like Iraq? It was an interesting moment.

[angrydemocrat]

30. Imus is funny

When it comes to Cheney, Wolowitz, and Dumbsfeld. He calls Cheney pork chop and Dumbsfelds either idiot, dummy, or Dumsmbsfeld. Needless to say he doesn't like any of them at all and never has. And he didn't invite pork chop on his show it was pork chop's sorry bitch that asked to come on the show. Imus didn't want to do it but he did.

[livvy]

32. That's right...Pork Chop...

I couldn't think of the name. The thing that bothers me about him is that he's not very well-informed and it seems that it's a real fine line about informing him in a way that the ego will tolerate. If you can get him to support an issue, he's actually a great pipeline, because I'm sure many of his followers are out of the "blue state" line of thinking. It's just a matter of piquing his interest. Once he fixates on something he can be a real bulldog. Then again, his loyalties are about as guaranteed as a * Social Security plans!

[Siyahamba]

23. They're quick to forgive *'s past

But they keep going on about John Kerry giving up his medals or speaking with Jane Fonda. I'm not saying those were bad things, but if you mention anything about what * did in the 70s, they just say "Oh, that was then, this is now!"

[elshiva]

27. They hit rock bottom when they went after

Kerry for windsurfing. WTF? And Zell Miller was like, "look at him in that spandex." WTF? They couldn't find any dirt on the guy so they go after him for windsurfing when Dubya spent 42% of the time in office on vacation.