Andrew Sullivan back on my S*** list

[beachmom]

F*** him and the horse he rode in on:

http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/11/the_other_denia.html

The Other Denialist
20 Nov 2006 01:08 pm

The only politician with greater powers of denial than the president appears to be his 2004 opponent, the worst politician in Washington, John Kerry.



For that, he will earn my boycott of his site for however long I decide to hold my grudge. Oh, yeah, Kerry has killed NOBODY, and Bush has killed thousands. But a botched joke somehow makes someone a worse politician.

[ProSense]

1. Screw the comparisons to Bush!

Kerry still beat 90% of the current line up in the primaries, got 8 million and 12 million votes than Gore and Clinton, respectively, has the biggest e-mail list, and is a fund raising machine (with the Internet fund-raising records to prove it).

He is still the only one who makes any sense on Iraq!

Screw them!

[Democrafty]

2. Yeah, that's petty.

I know Sully would like to seize the moral high ground when it comes to certain things, but this post is a reason why he's just not earned that right.

[karynnj]

3. Worst politician in DC seems a pretty silly label

for a man who easily won his party's nomination 2 1/2 years ago - consider how many people get that far. Consider how many politicians gave him no chance then and remember that with a level playing field, he would have won. Compare that to Lieberman - who had far more party support in 2004 and his best showing was what he termed a three way tie for third - more accuaretly known as 5th.

[WildEyedLiberal]

4. Then he's proven that he cares more about political games than ending slaughter in Iraq

He clearly deletes or ignores whatever you write to him, so I'm not sure what incentive you have to give this narcissistic asshole the time of day. Being a "good politician" is clearly more important to him than being right or moral, and that says a hell of a lot about Sully's character.

[Firespirit]

6. The pundits have shown just how out of step they are with Americans

Americans are SICK of "good politicians." So sick of them that political apathy, cynicism, and disgruntlement (is that a word?) are the way things are across the country. Americans are absolutely fed up with self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, slick "good politicians."

They want good public servants.

But the mediocracy wouldn't dare report on that, because they have contributed to the problem and their livelihood depends on that narrative. An informed, aware public and a responsible government would cut into their bottom line. Andrew Sullivan is paid by that mediocracy, as a TIME blogger.

The whole system is rotten.

However, at least it's being set up for a perfect clean, outsider candidate, and look who's being positioned for that.

[ginnyinWI]

15. Amen, Firespirit!

Just look at Webb and Tester for starters. America wants populist candidates. And yes, JK is a populist, regardless of his heritage. Just like the Kennedys and FDR. You can be for the people at any income level. You just have to have the heart--and he certainly does.

[wisteria]

5. I suppose it will be this way for those that decided to be nice to JK

because they thought he was done in by the joke. Now that he has rebound, they are pissed. The thing is, they will have a hard time backtracking on their statements of support. I truly think they meant the first ones, these current ones are politics at play. They all are phonies when you come down to it. It was ok for Sullivan to denounce the Bush administration and throw Kerry a bone, but only until the election took place. Now he is back to being a Republican pundit again. There is an 08 election to win you know. he can't be nice to the Dem's. And, I am sure many people are going to say Kerry refuses to except reality. I say so what. He is willing to let the people decide- people like Sullivan should do that too.
I refuse to allow these jerks to piss me off anymore. There is no changing their minds really, because they get paid to promote or criticize.

[sandnsea]

7. Nutball Politics

I am so angry at all of this. What happened to military disengagement to remove occupation as a recruiting tool? What happened to marginalizing the extremists? Why do these people who say they care so much about this war, whether winning or withdrawing, keep hammering the only person who has consistently had the right answer at the right time? If we'd implemented his plans 3 years ago, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today. But people like Sullivan are more interested in some game of smarty pants politics. We still need a head thunkin' tour.

[beachmom]

8. Here's my e-mail to Andrew (I decided to have fun with it):

Subject: John Kerry Go Away!!

Andrew,

I shall enlighten you with a little history of the past 2 years -- you haven't always joined the chorus of the Washington punditocracy, but your voice is definitely in the mix:




Washington Punditocracy 11/04: John Kerry Go Away!! You lost by a landslide, er, 120,000 votes in Ohio, and you just need to go the hell away.

John Kerry: Well, I'm still in the Senate, and have ideas about what to do in Iraq.

WashingtonPunditocracy: Perhaps, if we just ignore him, he'll just disappear.

John Kerry: 12/04: 11 million kids don't have healthcare . . .

Washington Punditocracy: Did you hear anything? Nope, nothing at all.

John Kerry: 1/05: Um, nice election in Iraq, but the fact that the Sunnis didn't participate is going to mean trouble.

Washington PUnditocracy: What an Eeyore! Iraq is a great democracy and George Bush is a genius!

John Kerry: 10/05 Iraq is a mess, we're running out of time to fix it. I now regret my vote for the Iraq War Resolution.

Washington Punditocracy: Hey, everybody -- did you hear that John Edwards disavowed his IWR vote? What an upstanding citizen and former senator to be so forthright and admit a mistake.

John Kerry: 1/06 I made a promise in '03 that I would filibuster any Supreme Court Justice who would overturn Roe v. Wade. Alito definitely fits that bill. Senate colleagues -- who's with me?

Washington Punditocracy: What a loser John Kerry is skiing on the slopes of Switzerland calling for filibusters that will never happen. What an elitist!

Washington Punditocracy: What a statesman John McCain is at the World Economic Summit in Davos! Not sure exactly where Davos is -- in Europe somewhere. It doesn't matter much; the point is John McCain is a straight talking statesman. Hey, who's that tall guy over there -- he must be lost participating in the Economic Summit. Shouldn't he be SKIING?

John Kerry: 4/06 Iraq is in a civil war, the third war the country has been in in three years. We must put pressure on the Iraqi government to form a unity government; and if they don't get a move on, we need to threaten a withdrawal of American troops. We need a summit that includes all the players in the region, including Iran and Syria, so that we can come to a political solution. We also need a timetable for withdrawal, as the large number of troops are, as the generals have said, "feeding the notion of occupation".

Washington Punditocracy: John Kerry is a cut and runner!!! He is dead wrong, as usual. Let's ignore him, and if he shows up anywhere start laughing, just like in high school.

John Kerry: Summer of '06. The Democrats need to make this election about Iraq. I have supported candidates like Patrick Murphy and Joe Sestak whose campaigns are about the war; they are veterans and I will defend them against any swiftboating, so what happened to me will never happen to a fellow veteran again. Oh, and Democratic candidates -- here's $14 million -- huh, I'm surprised, but apparently I've given more than any other Democrat.

Washington Punditocracy: John Kerry -- you've done NOTHING for the candidates. That website heyjohn.org just said you've given next to nothing to the DSCC -- so fork it all over, because darnit all, Hillary WILL be the Democratic nominee (oh, or maybe Obama, just not YOU), and we'd prefer if you would please give all your funds away so that you're out of money for '08. Do it for the party, John. Oh, and NOBODY in the Democratic party has a plan for Iraq -- I mean that's what the White House is telling us, and we'll just take their word for it.

John Kerry: 10/31/06 Oh, bloody hell -- I just botched a Bush joke, and now the Drudge Report says I insulted the troops. Better set the record straight now.

Washington Punditocracy: Oh, just shut up John Kerry -- you are a major screw up because you botched a joke, and oh -- equal time, looks like you insulted the troops, so apologize. We don't care what the truth is, JUST GO AWAY!! Cripes, you haven't done a darn thing since Nov. '04, and this is how you debut your first appearance?

John Kerry: I apologize. I can't be a distraction for the midterm election, which is so important.

Washington Punditocracy for the rest of the week: Oh, that John Kerry joke has had a SERIOUS impact on the election -- 18% of Independents were effected -- the Republicans have seized the news cycle and very well could pull out a squeaker, what with that JOHN KERRY botching a joke -- now who's going to vote Democratic!

Washington Punditocracy after Election Day: Oh, Corruption and Iraq were the top 2 issues in the election. Democrats ran on it and won. Of course they still don't have a plan for Iraq. Silver lining -- at least that John Kerry is going away, since that joke of his cost the Democrats the election, er, or something or other.

John Kerry: The midterm election is a clear mandate for the Democrats, and I am focusing on that right now. However, the botched joke will not affect whether I decide to run for president or not. We still need to talk to Iran and Syria, btw.

Andrew Sullivan, prized member of the Washington Punditocracy: John Kerry -- you are the worst politician in Washington, worse than George Bush. (True he really messed up the Iraq war, ordered torture, ran up the debt, and did away with habeas corpus, but damn, that's NOTHING compared to not realizing a botched joke sinks a presidential campaign. I mean -- what the hell has John Kerry done other than botch a joke?)

(James Baker goes and talks to Syria. Syria, Iran, and Iraq plan a meeting. Consensus around Washington is reached that the U.S. will need to talk to Iran and Syria and do massive diplomacy in the region)

That's right, Andrew -- you've been dead wrong about John Kerry for so long, I'm not sure why I bother to spell it out for you. I thought ideas, not trivial things like botched jokes, are what it's about at the end of the day. I thought you did, too, but I guess I was wrong.

[Democrafty]

9. OMG.

You are beyond amazing. PM'ed you.

[Blaukraut]

10. This is brilliant!

You might want to give this its own thread, beachmom!

[ProSense]

11. Awesome!

This is perfetct!

You should really post this in GD-P! This is a spotlight on the pundits' sheer idiocy! Thanks Beachmon!

[beachmom]

13. Done:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2980612

[WildEyedLiberal]

12. God, you nailed it.

Not just for Sullivan but the whole whore press corps.

Seriously spot on. :applause:

[Island Blue]

14. That was incredible Beachmom!

:patriot:

[wisteria]

16. That was wonderful.I hope he considers your comments. n/t

[globalvillage]

17. Wow, beachmom.

That's a great e-mail. I hope it makes him stop and think. He's been pretty rational lately, and it's sad that he's been swept up in all the media ineptitude.
Nice work.

[karynnj]

18. This is incredible

I hope he at least is made uncomfortable while reading it. THis is great.

[Inuca]

19. Shame on him

Really! He is an intelligent person, and this comment is idiotic in the extreme, and therefore he is a whore. Whether he is whoring to help somebody else, for some idea he believes in, or just to tout his own horn, I don't care, it's still whoring which is an inexcusable sin. I wonder what makes a "good" politician in his book.

[beachmom]

20. Oddly enough, Andrew is on the same page as Kerry on Iraq

http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/11/the_shiites_tur.html

The latest polling in Iraq shows something interesting. Even while a large majority of Baghdad Shiites believe sectarian violence would increase after U.S. withdrawal, 80 percent across the country still want foreign forces out within a year. Moreover, clear Shiite majorities now support attacks on U.S. forces - up from around 40 percent support in January. The question is not, it seems to me, whether we redeploy our forces out of or within Iraq, but how and when.



I sent him another e-mail, that unlike my previous one, is entirely serious:

Title: You are right about Iraq

Andrew,

Your post here is 100% correct:

http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/11/the_shiites_tur.html

Now please start supporting the political leaders who share your views. You know who I'm talking about. Enough with the games. Are the lives of our troops not more important than personality sideshows?

Read this from April, and try to belittle John Kerry again:

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=2723

I believed then, just as I believe now, that the best way to support the troops is to oppose a course that squanders their lives, dishonors their sacrifice, and disserves our people and our principles. When brave patriots suffer and die on the altar of stubborn pride, because of the incompetence and self-deception of mere politicians, then the only patriotic choice is to reclaim the moral authority misused by those entrusted with high office.

snip

The War in Vietnam and the War in Iraq are now converging in too many tragic respects.

As in Vietnam, we engaged militarily in Iraq based on official deception.

As in Vietnam, we went into Iraq ostensibly to fight a larger global war under the misperception that the particular theater was just a sideshow, but we soon learned that the particular aspects of the place where we fought mattered more than anything else.

And as in Vietnam, we have stayed and fought and died even though it is time for us to go.

We are now in the third war in Iraq in as many years. The first was against Saddam Hussein and his supposed weapons of mass destruction. The second was against terrorists whom, the administration said, it was better to fight over there than here. Now we find our troops in the middle of an escalating civil war.

Half of the service members listed on the Vietnam Memorial Wall died after America’s leaders knew our strategy would not work. It was immoral then and it would be immoral now to engage in the same delusion.



Andrew -- if we don't get our troops out of there, then the number of deaths will be 6,000, and we'll still have to leave. Please, let people who know what they're talking about speak. It's not going to be Hillary or McCain or even Obama, and you know it.

Beachmom