Hunger poverty and it's effects

[undergroundpanther]

Something I have been pondering....

It's interesting to think of the obesity/poverty/stress/size stigma and starvation/obesity issue in a bigger framework than the usual stuff you hear about the demon of obesity and the magical willpower games people play to be thin or bash fat people with....

It's worth asking questions about coorelations..I bring up some here considering the levels of depression and obsessive compulsion and other"disorders" in America,and the way obesity is linked to a reaction to starvation now that dieting since the 1960's has been popular ever notice the obesity statistics have gone up in the population ? Maybe this"obesity epidemic all began with "twiggy"?And has grown the more thin became"in" culturally..
Coincidence? I dunno but it's pretty damning evidence to me.
Did you know a 1600 calorie diet was considered a starvation level food intake in the 1940's? And most average diets focus on 1200 calorie limits nowadays.Starvation diets dip as low as 500 calories..Why is that..have people'evolved'to use less calories since the 1940's or have they been socially engineered regarding their beliefs about food and conditioned by diets and fat phobic peers to lower their own bodies calorie burning set point and hate themselves for it?? Profit soars when people are unhappy.

Could it be thin is in is a way to not only profit off misery but to keep a population irritated messed up psychologically and sick enough to not be able to bond with one another as equal human beings.just enough to reduce brainpower and dumb us down in teen years,just enough to keep us desperate,on a biochemical level so we never become a threat so the'elites' can feel secure dominating us all?
Obesity is the perfect disguise to tell ourselves we are not being slowly starved by the pursuit of this thin is in bullshit.What a scam!

How come when obesity becomes a"big problem" it's interesting to track the growth of obesity over decades into a "problem" I ask has the cult of dieting, the rates of anorexia/bulimia that hits 5 year old kids,a general fat phobia that rages on ,in a culture wide scale, due to ignorance about starvation and it's effects on the body and mind.

It's strange to note poor people are more likely to be fat,and minorities,and fat people are one last class of people besides gays and 'hillbillies' who can get stigmatized by insecure people with no severe social repercussions like racists face.All this is going on while we have an increased wealth disparity ,a government dominated by little cotton Mather puritan hypocrites wanting to take over the world,profound social inequality,..along with high rates of child abuse,violence,..we have high rates of depression and other anxiety disorders.stress etc?

Is starvation/obesity cycling of a huge amount of people who diet and yo yo again and again part of this obesity issues and a problem with our inability to deal with each other's differences harmoniously? And what makes a person want to diet to begin with? is it Vanity or is it something deeper like a fear of rejection, Fear of feeling like a disease,being treated like an object of disgust a contamination,as a 'thing' that does not deserve to exist,because it is marring a perfect thin mono-culture utopia we are all taught we must want to belong to to be worthy of love,and acceptance that the dominant wealthier class wants to pretend is superior? How much of marketing is about telling people what they should prefer and want? Is this why clothing styles and how we decorate our homes are so much ALIKE.

The feeling of rejection ,being unwanted,and the feeling of being less than human,? Isn't that the hell we all fear that really hurts a e person most? Every article I see on the evils of obesity inevitably has a picture of a faceless gut or butt,to demonstrate how disgusting fat is, this cropping reinforces a person is a disease,a sickness in a human like shame not really a person.It's the same thing if you saw only a woman's crotch and boobs in a photo..no face,no identity of who's crotch or body parts they belong to..... what is that saying on a primordial level? That women are not whole people they are nothing but objects that exist to be fucked & used Both cropped pictures remove the person hood of the person in the picture rendering them into objects not really people...
Coincidence?

I would love to see a study done on correlations between calorie intake,social discrimination/stigmas/class ism/poverty and depression or obsessive compulsive disorders /nutrition deficiencies,pollution(body carrying capacity).
See how much of this epidemic of mental illness is really undetected starvation for nutrients,slow poisoning by chemicals in our environment, poverty and the effects of stigma created in sick hierarchical cultures that are not socially or otherwise more egalitarian and accepting of differences in people's bodies or of who they are..



I have some articles here from different writers,
Talking about poverty obesity starvation etc.
Taken together an interesting correlation occurs.

what happens to people when people get too hungry
http://jaoii.lunarpages.com/starve.html

Obesity and starvation at the same time? Is it possible?
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-06/uom-oid0...
http://www.undp.org/fojam/obesity_speech.htm

Cognitive disconnect between obesity and starvation?
http://www.techcentralstation.com/113004E.html

Thin: a cultural brownie point to be gotten at any cost?
http://h05.cgpublisher.com/proposals/190/index_html

Diet industry and the numbers
http://www.overcomingovereating.com/campaign.html

Obesity and diet relapse
http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-04132001 -

joke...

The History of Medicine 2000 BC
Here, eat this root.

1000 BC
That root is heathen.
Here, say this prayer.

1805 AD
That prayer is superstition.
Here, drink this potion.

1940 AD
That potion is snake oil.
Here, swallow this pill.

1985 AD
That pill is ineffective.
Here, take this antibiotic.

2000 AD
That antibiotic doesn't work
anymore. Here, eat this root.
— — Anonymous

[Sugarbleus]

1. Hi Panther.....just dropped in to see what's up... GOOD ARTICLE

From the time of my youth (1960's) up to today, I've known that overweight persons were treated like subhuman. Ridiculed, rejected, coerced, stimatized et al.

I like the suggestion about being obese AND being malnourished/starved.
I know that I don't eat three meals a day; I don't even get all the nutrients that a healthy person needs each day in my diet.

I look at obesity with the "starvation" angle as being one of emotional starvation as well. I know that I don't like nor enjoy being over weight. I wasn't always like this. I started packing on the pounds when my marriage was evidently going no where...there was obviously no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow in my relationship--I had been duped. I was a fool, I hated myself for being so foolish but I felt "stuck". I turned to "goodies" to be my lover. I didn't even pay attention to what it was doing to my body; I just kept "using it" to keep me "happy". I've been utterly alone inside a relationship for 24 years!

When I started to gain a wee bit of weight back in the eighties, I did use a system for weight loss and succeeded. But...it came back not quite double, but it just kept coming back each time I tried weight loss. Today, my weight is killing me. My life is full of unrelenting stress; crisis piled upon crisis. I followed the politics of these past four years because our needs have grown out of proportion to the "helps" struggling people used to get. For me personally, POVERTY is a HUGE issue. I dream of what a few more bucks could do to help me help myself and help lessen the stressors I live with.

I MUST lose at least 10% of my body fat in order to keep from aquiring full blown diabetes. Less weight will help my arthritic joints. It's a whole new ball game now; it's about my health and not my vanity. Nevertheless, OTHERS don't know one damn thing about me when they take a look. All anyone sees is the big fat gal. Oh my gawd the looks I get, the disrespect from doctors and clerks and the general public. I'm no longer that beautiful Brunette charmer anymore, I'm just an aging PIG. It's very disheartening. I am the same "charmer" on the inside, but my spirit has been crushed. I rarely go out (painful joints is an issue here as well)

I'm actually D_R_E_A_D_I_N_G going back to my doctor's office because all he does is YELL at me. He talks "down" to me instead of to/with me. I got a weight watchers certificate as a gift (ahem) and went down there on a bad day--not much time for them to help me figure out the best plan for me.:eyes: I need to do something soon. I also need the public to back the F*CK OFF. Hells bells, a person could be carrying around 250 lbs of weight, have the public revile them, but not realize that that person just lost 150 lbs!!

The public and the medical community simply MUST BACK OFF and begin to treat people of large size WITH RESPECT. There IS LIFE inside this body, a personality, a heart, laughter/humor, dreams, desperations, and sometimes loneliness. Happy people don't CHOOSE to be BIG, SHIT HAPPENS. I know that I would feel so much better if the public would treat me kindly and look me in the eyes when I go out. A kind word, a pat on the back, anything like that would encourage me to lift myself from the pits and perhaps naturally get healthier.

As it is, people treat heavy persons and disabled persons like they treated the elephant man....just stay indoors so WE don't have to look at ya.

Yes, the weight loss industry is making a fortune.

[Digit]

2. I hear you...

I see you live in California and the pressure to be young, thin and beautiful are that much greater.
Know that you are a genuine person, just as genuine and perfect as the most beautiful person out there. You have as much value as the rest of us.
When it comes to your weight causing you difficulty with your joints or health, it is your decision to do something or not.

I don't discriminate against people, no matter what their size, color or whatever. People who do are small minded people.

[Sugarbleus]

3. Thanks Digit. I wish most people thought like you do...

I'd probably be out in public much more if I felt "welcome" and safe from sneering eyes and snide remarks.

How "thin" does the public want me to be, I wonder. If I lost 50#, I'd still be over weight. *sigh*

Thanks again for your kind remarks. I cherish them. :hug:

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[Digit]

5. I hate the new Burger King commercials....

Especially the one where the mom is supposedly nursing her baby in a bed. Out from the covers comes a teenage boy and the mother burps him.
The commercial goes on to say that that (I forget the exact term) ...that weenie meals are meant for weenie guys.

Then it shows the fat laden meal that REAL MEN are supposed to eat.
This commercial is directed at young teenage boys, who are too naive to discern the difference. For this reason, I boycott Burger King.

[Mairead]

6. "It's strange to note poor people are more likely to be fat"

Why strange? Starches are the cheapest food--and the most fattening.

[China_cat]

7. When you get commercials from a diet company

saying that you are fat at size 10 (a goal in my younger days as it was the size of most models) and this company will help you get the weight off and become a perfect size 4, it's discouraging for those of us who know that no matter what we do, we're never going to be a size 4.

Makes you want to go have a hot fudge sundae.

[Mairead]

8. My solution: don't watch TV

I found that to be the least-annoying solution to all the "hate yourself!" messages.

I also find that not watching tv lets me eat the h.f. sundaes for their own sake rather than as rebellion. :evilgrin:

[China_cat]

9. But it's not just tv

it's magazines, newspapers, billboards, your next door neighbor, booths at 'health' fairs. You can't go anywhere without the message being that you are a slob/lazy/unhealthy/waste of resources if you don't look like an Auschwitz survivor on the day it was liberated.

[kineneb]

10. some folks are just large

I am tall and a bit heavy, but physically fit: I take ballet and pointe lessons. No one who can do even basic pointe work is a wimp. I don't have the ballerina body; it rather looks like Olaf the Viking's little sister (Ja sure, hand me that oar).

Sometime food is my only treat, but I live with a lot of stress. And the SSRIs that keep me sane do weird things to appetite. I suppose sometime I will be thinner, but I try to focus on living life in the present. I can't predict the future, and I can't remember some of the past (perm. memory loss).

[Deja Q]

11. Tell that to the 'peers' of my childhood who routinely harassed/hit me.

Yeah, they were bought by the large corporations to make me screwed up.

Or maybe it was the Society Fairy that gave me Asperger's disorder and ADD?

:eyes:


Companies work for greed. Bottom line. Their profits. Short term money. They lack the brain cells necessary to think ahead.

[bobbieinok]

12. if 'you' are forced to think about your appearance all the time (by media,

doctors, 'friends' and relatives......you don't have the time or energy to learn how to be yourself, to be human, etc

Nora Wolf wrote a book about appearance that I could not finish b/c of her theme that it was 'interesting' that at the time the woman's movement really started to take off with women in the media, etc, there appeared all the articles and various corporate rules of appearance......so that once again women were diverted from self-empowerment to having to meet someone else's expectations