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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-05 03:39 PM
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Astrologers: What's in Karl Rove's chart?
I know Nancy has his chart in her 2003 "Springtime for Bush" section on starlightnews. (Dec. 25, 1950, Denver, CO)

Will he get off or can we kiss him goodbye?
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robertarctor Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-05 03:53 PM
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1. Claudia Dikinis seems to think he's toast
Or so one of her recent posts on Starcats seemed to indicate.
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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-05 04:03 PM
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2. Wouldn't that be nice
It will be interesting to see how Smirky operates without his brain.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-05 04:23 PM
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3. It would be nice
Someone in GD posted an article that said there was some group made up for Iraq that had Karl Rove, Rice, Cheney and some other people in the group for fixing the intelligence and they were in on it as well. I'm not sure if it's known to be true though, but if that is true then Bush probably knew if Cheney knew.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 10:35 AM
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4. Here's Rove's chart, and Starcats' comments
http://starcats.com/toc.html (scroll down to "From Starcats:")

{blockquote]...For Asteroid watchers: Nemesis is currently at 5 degrees Cancer -- conjunct the USA's conquering "manifest destiny" Jupiter and "gimme bling-bling" Venus. For Karl Rove (chart) watchers, Nemesis already opposing his progressed "I'm a radical reformer" Uranus and is creeping ever closer to oppose his natal Uranus. Nemesis demands an accounting for arrogance. Uranus is that proverbial reversal of fortune. Rove's Capricorn Sun (3 degrees of the sign) was sorely impacted by the Cancer Solstice and Full Moon of June 20-21, 2005. So was his Chiron at 0 Capricorn. Right there in what we call "solsticial degree." This points to a profound wounding of and to power and authority....

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 12:39 PM
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5. Trouble is Judge O'Connor's resignation is diminishing coverage
Edited on Mon Jul-04-05 12:43 PM by Pallas180
of the Rove-Plame debacle.

If nothing else was happening, Rove would be finding himself out on the sidewalk...somehow the repugnants always manage to cover up their
negative news.

On Edit: Starcats is seeing Chiron the way I do, i.e. "where there is a wounding" and not as a "wounded healer". Makes sense. What did
Rover ever heal?
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 01:19 PM
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7. Just a holiday pause, Pallas
With the bigtime journalists involved -- and now Rove himself, not an underling, and yes, maybe Bolton -- this isn't going away.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 01:47 PM
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9. Hi Splat. I sure hope you're right. Remember dimson visited a crim lawyer
when the prosecutor spoke with him. eewoooooeeeee. That's also very telling of something.

If someone in the media will just get their jaws around this we maybe could have the beginning of impeachment!

It could lead not only to Rove > Dimson > Bolton > Cheney > Rumsfeld
and crew.

But here are the blocks. dimson has his chess pieces in place. Goss shutting down any big mouths in the fbi and Negroponte doing the same in the CIA.

I posted awhile ago the only hope is some of the cia-fbi guys dimson goss and negroponte forced out of the intel agencies.

Funny. Not funny. It's astrology, the Saturn return of Watergate, and the exposure of who it was . On returns you experience a similar event to the event 30 years ago, right?

A deepthroat may be working right now that we don't know about. But where's the gutsy investigative reporters who will expose it?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 03:53 PM
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11. Bay Buchanan on CNN - no one in the WH involved, Rove innocent
Edited on Mon Jul-04-05 04:14 PM by Pallas180
"it just looks bad because he didn't admit til now that he talked to
reporters, and no one cares about this".

The spin has started bigtime.

And maybe Lawrence O'Donnell is going to be our Woodward/Bernstein:

Lawrence O'Donnell: Rove's I-did-not-inhale Defense Lawrence O'Donnell
37 minutes ago



Karl Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, had his holiday weekend ruined on Friday when I broke the story that the e-mails that Time delivered to the special prosecutor that afternoon reveal that Karl Rove is the source Matt Cooper has been protecting for two years. The next day, Luskin was forced to open the first hole in the Rove two-year wall of silence about the case. In a huge admission to Newsweek and the Los Angeles Times, Luskin confessed that, well, yes, Rove did talk to Cooper. It is a huge admission in a case where Rove and Luskin have never, before Friday, felt compelled to say a word about Rove's contact with Cooper or anyone else involved in the case.

Luskin then launched what sounds like an I-did-not-inhale defense. He told Newsweek that his client "never knowingly disclosed classified information." Knowingly. That is the most important word Luskin said in what has now become his public version of the Rove defense.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 06:03 PM
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12. Someone should tell Bay Buchanan
that Patrick Fitzgerald cares - and he's the one that counts.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:37 AM
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24. Tucker Carlson doing "talking points" too. "Who cares" -that's
their talking point spin is going to flood the airwaves.

That's what happened with the watergate break-in - no one cared but
Woodward bernstein kept pushing it.

It's up to the bloggers to keep this front page!
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 08:29 PM
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66. It's not either/or, Pallas
Starcats is seeing Chiron the way I do, i.e. "where there is a wounding" and not as a "wounded healer". Makes sense. What did
Rover ever heal?


Yes, Chiron is where we undergo some pretty serious wounding. Yes, Chiron is where we can as a result of that wounding go on to heal others -- if we are capable of living up to that level of consciousness (which I'd doubt possible for Rove). But it's BOTH, not one or the other. I believe the myth itself confirms that as well.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:28 PM
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29. This is a noon chart...anyone have his real birth time?
.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:33 PM
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30. No OK. We sure would use it if we had his birthtime, and
believe me astrologers search for these things.

No record so far.

You have anything?
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:31 PM
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33. Only a hunch...try 5:18 am
Watching that neptune T-Square..needs just the right placment...throw in a bit of Jeff Gannon and Voila! I think its a hit!

Whadya think?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 01:04 PM
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6. There's a second WH official who exposed Plame - and
Edited on Mon Jul-04-05 01:08 PM by Pallas180
I have a sneaking suspicion that the reason the WH doesn't want to give Biden and others Bolton papers is because they will show it was
Bolton who was the second "official" who helped spreading Plame's official duty.

Bolton is part of the Pro-proliferation cabal of nuclear weapons in the Pentagon, as is Rumsfeld and Cheney (military-industrial complex). Both Rummy's and Cheney's companies sold nuke parts all over the world.

Plame was part of the CIA Anti-proliferation group charged with finding, tracking and stopping illegal sellers of nuke weapons
( Halliburton fined for just that remember?) Everyone thinks the exposure of Plame was payback for her husband not agreeing with dimson's Niger/WMD in Iraq.

I think Plame was getting close to proving Halliburton's offshore sales and the fox in the hen house and his cabal of which Bolton was a part had to stop her. Didn't matter to them that that put her life in danger and several others who worked with her overseas were assassinated.
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justsomegirl Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 01:20 PM
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8. Bolton & PNAC
Bolton was also a member of the Board of Directors of PNAC, Project for a New American Century from 1998-2001
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 09:51 PM
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13. O'Donnell who broke the story doesn't think Rove
will lose his job or go to jail ....................
says Rove didn't have the clearance to know about Plame,
but the original tattler has still not been revealed.
(then again, as someone said, how is it he called tweety
and said "Plame is fair game" - which tape the prosecutor could
surely get.

Hello Bolton?
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 02:32 PM
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10. In Relation To Rove
Does anyone have the info on J. Miller? I could find NYC, 1948, but nothing else. Thanks.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 01:26 PM
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14. Karl Rove's astrology solar chart (time unknown) in koch, not placidus






Mars transited KKKarl's Uranus oppostion Venus when the news broke earlier this week that he was the leaker.

More to come..but it's likely to be lies...and the * administration always releases bad news on Fridays or the weekend so it gets buried.

The April 14 eclipse point which was at 19 Aries is transited by Mars
on Sunday opposition to 19 Libra which just happens to be KKKarl's Neptune and Part of Fortune.

Mars/Neptune combinations are associated with poison and lies.

Get ready for an avalanche of poisonous attacks (Sunday news shows)
to save KKKarl's arse.

Unfortunately Neptune conjunct part of fortune are associated with windfalls of luck.

As the French would say, Incredible.



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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 02:31 PM
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15. ME- no data on her, and this may be why:
Edited on Wed Jul-06-05 02:43 PM by Pallas180
quite a story. A long history going back to doing pr for the first
Gulf war - connections to Scooter Libby, Cheney, *, Rumsfeld, they were all in those republican administrations back to Ford's. She's also connected to Chalabi.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Judith_Mille...


It;s got to be Bolton, Libby , or Cheney, and I'm beginning to think
Cheney, who hung around Plame's office. Plame was in charge of anti proliferation of nukes. Cheney is for proliferation of nukes.(and has been fined for selling them illegally in Halliburton)

She's obviously very afraid of jail, and I dont see her covering up for Bolton or Libby. She looks frightened. Too bad. Did she care about kids she was helping send to die doing PR for both wars?

One other thought crosses my mind. Newt Gingrich was in the group with Bolton and Cheney in the Pentagon and helping plan this war.
He was also said to have been badgering the analysts. Could it be?
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 06:42 PM
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20. Thanks For Looking n/t
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 02:50 PM
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16. Is Carl Rove subjected to psychic attack?
Look at his planets of the sub-conscious: Uranus, Pluto, Saturn!!!Should we?! That's a tough question! Frankly, for the negative, I don't want his karma contaminating my body.... On the other hand, To make this man stop creating his bad karma would create goodness in and throughout mankind eventually. Hmmm Hard decision....My Asscroft!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 03:18 PM
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17. Icy, I subscribe to: Whatever you send out comes back to you" so
I wouldn;t send out psychic attacks to anyone.What you reap is what you sow.

The only thing that could be done is a prayer that all the harm Rove has done returns to him.

Anyway, that's the way I think
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:49 AM
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21. LOL! Yeah, you're right Pallas....
I'll leave 'ol Turd Blossom alone!
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yankeeinlouisiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:42 AM
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22. Couldn't we all just focus
on the truth coming out? If Rove is guilty, that wouldn't be our fault. It's simply the truth.

:-)
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:33 AM
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23. Hi Yankee, personally I like, whatever harm he has purposely
caused to the country, the world and its people, goes back to him
10 fold."
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yankeeinlouisiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 06:07 PM
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25. I never heard of that one,
but I like it! That should work just fine for him.

P.S.:

:hi: Pallas! Thanks for responding. I don't post much, but I love the astrology threads, I don't always understand them, but I love them. Love all you guys and the work that you do! Thanks again.

:bounce:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 06:15 PM
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27. Thanks Yankee. Please do post just to say you're here and
reading.

:hi:
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 04:21 PM
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52. truth coming out
has been my personal focus. But him getting back the damage he has done sounds pretty good.

Do you think that's really acceptable? wishing him to receive the damage he's done? That is wishing him harm.

The truth coming out is neutral. But it might be too slow, and we are truly in an emergency, I think, a real emergency, which calls for desperate measures.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:43 PM
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31. I think he was suffering a panic attack...hiding behind fake name
The night before this 'emergency visit' I was listening to a Coast to Coast Program about Remote Viewing. The guest used to work for the US Govt psyops program researching 'kinetic remote viewing'...i.e. actually manipulating physical properties and actions of objects through projected viewing..they were discussing how the energy seemed to effect microwave levels...Art Bell then jumped in with, "such as bomb switching devices or pace makers?" After hearing an affirmation, Bell goes on to say, "doesn't Dick Cheney have a pace maker?"

I kid you not.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:08 PM
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32. The US govt researched using psychics in the 80's to go into Russian
"safes" by remote viewing to see secret weapons, etc.

Most psychics wouldn't work for them because of the fear of CIA's paranoia. What would happen to you if they felt you knew too much? Knowing you could use your mind to send messages and find secrets, maybe they wouldn't just throw you in jail. You could still
remote view and use that psychic mind. So, the discussion and conclusion by the psychics was: they'd give you a lobotomy.

I kid you not.

But the clowns from the CIA were funny. First of all a guy wearing a red wig (laughing as I write this) and its crooked on his head, kind of stands out...and if you know anything about psychics, working psychics, they can be deep in alpha doing a reading and the mars energy of a cop wearing a gun walking by, will snap their heads up to look at who has that energy.

So when the weirdo in the red wig circles the group of psychics, the heads go up,and they all look and begin buzzing among themselves. He
was checking out the psychics, but they knew what he was. not who he was, but what he was.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 05:03 PM
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18. whatever is his fate this is good boys and girls
reach for the popcorn
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 06:30 PM
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19. who woulda thunk? like watergate this has taken more than a year
to jell and firm up...

I can't help think that it leads back to dimson (who will skate) because Cheney and Rove must have spoken about it in front of him, telling him how they were fixing Wilson's wagon and having a good laugh, which later sent him running to that criminal lawyer.

Maybe he falls off his bike whenever he's in big trouble. Like a
self flagellant. heh heh heh

No seriously, these were bad aspects today for an accident or real harm and he skated. It's really incredible.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 06:15 PM
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26. the cop did not
the cop was injured in the accident
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 06:37 PM
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28. White HouseScrambles to Stop Criminal Indictment of Rove/Capital Hill Blue
The Bush Administration is scrambling behind the scenes to stop a criminal indictment against Presidential advisor Karl Rove for disclosing classified information to reporters in an attempt to discredit a White House critic.

Time Magazine emails turned over to a grand jury show Rove leaked CIA Operative Valerie Plames name to journalists after her husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, went public with claims the Bush Administration knowing used false information to justify the invasion of Iraq. Plame, until the disclosure, worked as a covert operative for the intelligence agency.
Some government officials have noted to Time in interviews... that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, is a CIA official who monitors the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, Time reporter Matthew Cooper wrote in the magazine in July, 2003.

Emails recently turned over to a federal grand jury investigating the leak show Cooper told his editors that Rove was the source of the information. In addition, Rove attorney Karl Luskin confirms that Cooper interviewed Rove for the article but claims that his client never knowingly disclosed classified information.
However, a producer for MSNBCs Hardball program testified before the grand jury that in July, 2003, Rove called the shows host, Chris Matthews, and said Plame was fair game.

As a top White House aide, Rove has "code level" clearance on security matters and would easily have had access to Plame's status at the CIA. White House sources say he requested additional information on both Plame and Wilson before talking to reporters.

If Rove knowingly disclosed classified information he could face federal felony indictments. Sources within the investigation say special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is pursuing such an indictment against Rove but that the White House is pressuring the Justice Department to put the brakes on such a move.

more at CapitolHillBlue.com
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:43 PM
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70. Oooo - can we say "obstruction of justice" anyone?
I knew we could!
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:34 PM
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34. Possible indictment around July 18
Mercury (news) will conjunct natal Pluto (destruction) in the 1st.

Pluto (destruction) will square the natal North Node in the 9th (courts) and the natal South Node (trouble) in the 3rd (news).

North Node in the 9th (courts) and South Node (trouble) in the 3rd (news) squares natal Mercury (news).


If jail is in his future, it won't come until next April when Neptune (lies) ruling the 9th (courts) opposes his Pluto (destruction) in his 1st.

Mars - ruler of his 10th (power) - will be conjuncting Uranus (unexpected) - ruler of the 8th (death) - in the 12th (incarceration)

Saturn (loss) will have just crossed his Ascendant.


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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:20 PM
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35. Oh, thank you LunaC!!!! That pretty much says it all!
Woooo-Hoooo! I can hardly wait!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Thanks!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:51 PM
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36. Hot stuff, Luna C....and nicely laid out :
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 02:22 PM by Pallas180
"Mars - ruler of his 10th (power) - will be conjuncting Uranus (unexpected) - ruler of the 8th (death) - in the 12th (incarceration)

Saturn (loss) will have just crossed his Ascendant."



Saturn = time for a change, lol

Uranus = unexpected changes

it may be that it will look like he'll get away with it, and then all
of a sudden - bolt of lightening - Uranus.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:55 PM
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37. Saturn = RESPONSIBILITY too!
Leaving the depths of the 12 th house darkness and - literally - coming into the light of day.

Warms my heart!

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:33 PM
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38. Grinning!
:devil:
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 08:32 AM
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39. I wish -- but with no birthtime, these houses are unlikely to be accurate
Ignoring houses, regretfully, the big thing coming is Saturn opposing natal Mars beginning in September and going on till June 2006. Won't be fun.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:20 AM
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40. Cheney's facing heavy weather
Dick Cheney: Jan. 30, 1941, 7:30 p.m., Lincoln Nebraska

Saturn square Saturn from Sept-June; Saturn oppose Sun, Oct - July; Jupiter oppose Jupiter, then Saturn in November.

Remember, Judy Miller and Matt Cooper don't have the same source, and prosecutor Fitzgerald knows who Miller's source is. Cheney???



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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:28 AM
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58. Yep. I'd put money on Cheney or Bolton as the second obscene caller :)
who takes my bet?

and where do you live, cause I'll show up to collect.

:donut:
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 02:18 PM
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41. Funny thing about houses
Even when you change the birthtime and shift them around, the transiting Players (planets) and their shifted rulerships still manage to point to the same conclusion.

Even if we disregarded the houses, planets in the same degree as the moon's nodes indicate a "point of fatality" and with the Tr nodes hitting Rove's natal Mercury and Tr Pluto hitting his natal nodes, this still spells out destructive news and trouble for him especially when Tr Mercury hits his Pluto. I'm still putting my money on the 18th.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 02:52 PM
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42. Luna, just learned something new!
" planets in the same degree as the moon's nodes indicate a "point of fatality"

thanks. Is that because of the South Node degree?
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 06:11 PM
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43. Pretty much
The nodes represent karma and it's pretty hard to maneuver around karma.

The "point of fatality" has its foundations in horary astrology but I've found the application holds true with basic transit predictions too.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:58 PM
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44. Luna, in Arabic parts there is a part of fatality, but i didnt
know about the Nodes, being called this..yes I agree they are involved with Karma...

can you instruct more about the nodes' degree and other planets having the same degree and its meaning? maybe examples?

Luna, are you the ghost of Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen ? :think:
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 02:30 AM
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46. From "Horary Astrology And The Judgement Of Events"
From "Horary Astrology And The Judgement Of Events" by Barbara H. Watters.

"In horary astrology, any planet falling in the exact degree of the Nodes, regardless of what sign it's in, is fateful. The Nodes are sometimes regarded as Karmic points which act like an adverse combination of Saturn and Uranus to bring sudden retribution or calamity, .

"A favorably aspected benefic in the degree of the Nodes may bring sudden fame or fortune in a fateful manner. As with favorable aspects to Uranus, the benefit may come through the misfortune of someone else."

HTH
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Same degree as nodes - a good one to remember, but wow
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 03:24 PM by Pallas180
" The Nodes are sometimes regarded as Karmic points which act like an adverse combination of Saturn and Uranus to bring sudden retribution or calamity,"

that sounds harsh, almost vedic.

now looking at Nixon's chart could be interesting to see if it proves out. Wondering if his nodal degress were the same as his
10th house Saturn.

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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 01:25 AM
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45. I'm with you on the nodes, LunaC
I must have sounded brusque -- I'm sorry. The geometry remains the same, of course, as you say.

I am really trying hard not to project my own hopes into these charts, and actually looked at several different Rove birthtimes to shake off the apparent reality of the house placements in the noon chart.

That yellow brick road went here: I like a birthtime around 10:18 a.m. It puts Jupiter in the first (portly man) and Mars in the 12thd, behind the scenes, with this transiting pluto in the 10th squaring north node in the first.) The Transiting Sag moon on the 18th is (in this speculation) in the 9th (courts, law) approaching the MH and squaring T Uranus in Pisces in the 1st.)

I have no idea if this will happen.

This sounds bigger than just Rove:

In February, Circuit Judge David Tatel joined his colleagues order to Cooper and Miller despite his own, very lonely finding that indeed there is a federal privilege for reporters that can shield them from being compelled to testify to grand juries and give up sources. ...But Tatel still ordered Cooper and Miller to testify because he found that the privilege had to give way to the gravity of the suspected crime.

Judge Tatels opinion has eight blank pages in the middle of it where he discusses the secret information the prosecutor has supplied only to the judges to convince them that the testimony he is demanding is worth sending reporters to jail to get. ...

Tatel wrote a 41-page opinion in which he seemed eager to make new law -- a federal reporters shield law -- but in the end, he couldnt bring himself to do it in this particular case. In his final paragraph, he says he might have let Cooper and Miller off the hook ere the leak at issue in this case less harmful to national security....

All the judges who have seen the prosecutors secret evidence firmly believe he is pursuing a very serious crime, and they have done everything they can to help him get an indictment.


This sounds like the prosecutor is looking at a far more serious crime than Rove whispering in a reporter's ear.

Could it involve a group decision to leak and confirm in order to discredit Wilson and neutralize his wife, who was working undercover on WMD? (During the WMD runup to the war, Wilson had embarrassed them by reporting back that Nigerian yellowcake evidence was not credible.)

If so, it's eerily Nixonian.

I posted about rough seas for Cheney, and over at StarIQ they've posted a dire analysis of Bush's solar return. Here's the chart:



Too tired to look at Rice's chart now. Handoff to the rest of you...



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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 02:54 AM
Response to Reply #45
47. Yeah, it's bigger than Rove
Back in Dec. I was dumbfounded that Bush* became the President again since he went into the Election under the influence of a Saturn Return Then I realized that I didn't look far enough ahead to see Saturn going Rx to reignite the Saturn influence and put it into crisis mode. I predicted that "Mid-June looks ripe for shit hitting the fan" and right on schedule the DSM hit MSM, Conyers had his hearing and Kerry jumped on board. Saturn is definitely starting to have an effect on Bush.

Recently I've been mulling a post about Rx Saturn tap dancing all over the Shrubinator's first house planets, and the influences surrounding impeachment. The good news: It WILL happen. The bad news: We'll have to wait until early summer 2007. I'll write more later when I've had a chance to review the various charts and go into further detail. Just be assured that nobody can survive the Saturn direct/retrograde influences he'll be subjected to and not be seriously diminished.

Rove is just the first of many dominoes yet to fall.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #47
51. Yep, " The bad news: We'll have to wait until early summer 2007."
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 04:09 PM by Pallas180
2007 is what I've gotten too.....but he's fooled us before - like in late October 2003 I think it was

Uranus conjunct the North Node trine Jupiter natally

and in the Solar return Jupiter hidden protection in the 12th.

Maybe the only way to figure it out is to look at it by degrees , minutes and spllit seconds to see what hits and is triggered...if the luck is triggered first, and the negatives hit thereafter, he's out of luck.

If it's the reverse, the rest of the world will be lucky.

But so far, the Uranus/North Node trine Jupiter has always saved him and outweighed the negative transits, maybe because Uranus always has a kick of about 3 degrees orb.

This, so far, is the proverbial person who steps in it but always comes out smelling like a rose.

Thanks again you two...this is a chart that will be intriguing for us
to work - and work - and work.

:woohoo:


On Edit - this will be interesting. Unless I'm mistaken the evil Judge Silberman who delighted in keeping Ken Starr on Clinton's derriere and engineered a lot of it, was also the one who had a hand in choosing Fitzgerald out of Chicago. Could there be another Saturday night massacre of firing prosecutors?

It's not just Rove. It's got to lead to Bolton or Cheney. And they have to get rid of Cheney before they can impeach junior just as they did with Agnew and Nixon. You have to wonder whose pulling the strings here?
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #51
60. "the Uranus/North Node trine Jupiter has always saved him"
Maybe so but this time around he's got that nasty Saturn bouncing all over his first house planets, and therein lies his downfall.

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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #51
62. Fitzgerald was appointed to lead the Plame investigation
by Ashcroft's second in command at DOJ, James Comey.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 07:00 PM
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63. lancdem, Silberman is one of the 3 powerbroker
judges behind the scenes..and I recall reading that he had his
hand in the appointment.

He has his hand in most appointments. Googling him could be interesting.

Maybe they've gotten a big surprise from Fitzgerald..coming out of
Chicago, the den of the original neocons before they were called
neocons, I'm sure they expected him to quash this entire thing.
Quash as in squash :)

We don't know yet whether he still will.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. He won't whitewash this
If he were going to, he would've quietly ended the investigation long ago and not pushed for Cooper and Miller's testimony.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. Your reasoning sounds right - I hope he doesn't fly home to Chicago
on weekends - if you know what I mean.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:49 PM
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68. Fitzgerald may turn out okay
There's a 2002 profile of Fitzgerald in Chicago Magazine that's encouraging. He's monkishly eccentric -- after eight years he still hadn't had the gas turned on so he could use his stove, and, like me, he has an organized mind and a very disorganized environment. Born in Brooklyn. He and Comey prosecuted some Gambinos together.

He seems like an altar boy.

Here's how it starts:

The New Face of the Law
By Steve Rhodes

Patrick Fitzgerald may have arrived in town as the new U.S. attorney in August 2001, but he didn’t really arrive until April 2, 2002, when he stood before the television cameras and announced the stunning news: Gov. George Ryan’s three-decades-old campaign committee was being charged as a “criminal enterprise” whose thirst for money had led to the ever-widening driver’s-licenses-for-bribes scandal.
more

In a meaty 80-page indictment, Fitzgerald alleged “a pervasive pattern of fraud and corruption,” with schemes that stretched from secretly paying off state employees for campaign work to arranging prostitutes in Costa Rica for Scott Fawell, Ryan’s chief of staff when he was secretary of state. Even the state’s organ donor program was dirty under Ryan, Fitzgerald said; marketing contracts for the program were awarded as political favors to a fundraising friend. All told, the indictment suggests, Citizens for Ryan had bilked the citizens of Illinois out of at least $1 million—including the purchase of an industrial-size shredder to destroy the evidence.

The indictment made U.S. history. It marked the first time a political campaign had been charged under the federal racketeering statute that is ordinarily used against organized crime. It was also thought to be only the third time a campaign had been charged with federal criminal misconduct of any kind, the other two being Richard Nixon’s 1972 Committee to Re-Elect the President, infamously known as CREEP, and three committees linked to Lyndon LaRouche’s 1984 presidential bid.

The indictment represented something else as well—a star turn for Fitzgerald. “Breathtaking in detail and breadth,” says Terrance Norton, a former federal prosecutor who is now executive director of the Better Government Association. Political commentators read the charges as an attack on Illinois’s political culture, a sign of a new aggressive stance toward public corruption....


We need a birthdate.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. that's funny, I just got through searching google at the same time you're
looking and posting this.

I think he knows about astrology. No bio gives anything except the year, no the month and day. Very unusual for bios. He may have had it all washed off the internet, and been reading plenty of what astrologers write about dimson.

Yes, I think you're right Splat. He's probably for real. Another
young Giuliani before Rudy had political aspirations.

They all call him eccentric - so we know there's a strong Uranus there.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #47
54. Tidbits:
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 08:20 PM by Pallas180
Ed Tamplin's article in Star IQ:

"Saturn returned to Leo at the end of the Second World War. This was perhaps a more important time, in light of today, as it ties in with an important 60-year geo-political cycle involving both Saturn and Jupiter. -snip= India Pakistan Korea North and South, and Germany East and West. Nationalist China came into being, and Japan replaced their Emperor. Israel was born from Palestine 's division.

These nations and their leaders are most open to change and restructure over the next two and a half years.


60 years ago FDR died. (We also are "due". ) This country was one that also went through geo-political change. Out of curiosity I took a look at FDR's date of death, April 12, 1945. Saturn at 5 Cancer was conjuncting the USA's Jupiter at 5 Cancer.
______

Something about the eclipse of April 8 at 19 Aries, which is triggered early this coming week, keeps gnawing at me. So, A look at Junior's chart relocated to DC gives me his MC at 19 Aries with
Chiron conjuncting it at 20 Aries. Born to wound the country.

But his MC and Chiron took that April eclipse
< what happened in April??>
which is activated now (the news of Rove) and more so when Jupiter activates that eclipse by opposition in late August/early September.

Meanwhile looking for a contact of USA and Jupiter- Saturn: Trans Saturn has already passed USA's natal Jupiter in July of 2003.

Jupiter will conjunct the USA's Saturn 14 Libra the second week of August and then continue on to conjunct Junior's Jupiter 18 Libra(return) the very last few days of August and early September, kicking off his Jupiter Uranus North Node good luck trine. Unless he's having a massive stroke, he's skating through the Karl revelations.

Would you believe this is the second transit of his Jupiter return and the other was in January 2005 ? ? Yes, you would believe it.

Junior's natal Jupiter at 18 Libra is conjunct his 4th cusp of 19 Libra, and triggers off the April 8 19 Aries eclipse by opposition which occurred on his Chiron/MC conjunction.

What happened on the eclipse in early April? Does anyone remember?
Is that when his poll numbers skydived?

Because it looks as if (if he's not hitting his head on something again) he's causing more pillaging, ravaging, and plundering to the country in September.

When Saturn goes over the country's Jupiter, the country either changes leadership or goes through restructuring. Saturn transited the USA's Jupiter in July 2003 and hung around in February and March 2004. What I can see is a restructuring, a change in direction,as we all know, and a polarization of the country .

The thought crosses my mind that he was brought up at his grandpappy's knee, and his grandpappy was a Nazi supporter who FDR intended to prosecute prior his death, and who afterwards went on to become a Senator. What other explanation, except hatred, could there be for what he has done to this country and the programs instituted by FDR 60 years ago?

Unless this eclipse has a major impact on him, and it looks instead as if it has a major impact on us, I dont see the Rove matter touching him in this immediate time period.

But then again, it took two years for Watergate to reach Nixon.

On Edit: Rove called people on July 11, 2003 , no eclipses.
anyone want to check his chart ?
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. quick hit
Rove called people on July 11, 2003 , no eclipses.
anyone want to check his chart ?


First, thanks for all you've laid down today. I've been outdoors most of the day, and am heading for bed. But I couldn't resist a peek at that exactly two-year-old Rove chart.

Transiting Jupiter is exactly conjunct natal Pluto that day. (Both are sextile natal Neptune.) Inflating his sense of/need for power, at best, making him a bit of a zealot, obsessive.

It's that same Pluto point that Mercury will conjunct July 18th that will also square the nodes.

More when my brain kicks in.

splat
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. Splat, Luna - thanks Splat - you;re so right -
with that Jupiter on Pluto he just couldn't stop himself - thus the call to Matthews too, "she's fair game".

It has been so good to have you and Luna and other astrologers here sharing, I just can't turn off the spigot!

This is going to be an interesting next 10 days.

:woohoo:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #45
50. Thanks Splat for posting the solar return chart, look at this:
he not only has Mars sq Sun but also has a t square going on:

it's Mars opp Jupiter and both squaring Sun

at the same time he's got hidden protection, Jupiter in the 12th,
Jupiter opposing Mars smack dab on the 7th say a lot of people are very angry at him,

also Neptune of lies in the 4th is quincunx (forced adjustment) the Sun and the MC

Also Pluto is Quincunx the MC from the third house, another forced adjustment, of thought? from the news/media?

Pluto is sextile Neptune...well then, he's got an opportunity to tell a really big whopper, but with the YOD being formed, it might be more likely he broadcast a big whopper (Neptune in Aquarius, that the media is now investigating (P in the third)and his opposition is very angry about. (Mars in the 7th)

You might be able to call Fitzgerald a 7th house person, but I think of him as a 9th house person because he's a Special Prosecutor right?
but I could be wrong on that.

This may be it. The Yod reaction point is the 4th house cusp of endings. Fickle finger of fate, Career, and endings.

Could wonderboy be forced to resign? the potential is strongly there.

And in this solar return he has something in common with Nixon. Nixon's Saturn was up in the 10th house, as I recall.

The tranits should tell us more.

Next :)
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #45
53. isn't bush birthday july 6 n/t
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #53
55. Yes, 28erl, but the birthday is not the trigger for the solar return
The solar return is the moment the Sun returns to its natal degree. and due to our fractional calendar (think leap years) (and also, perhaps, the solar return being calculated for the actual location of the subject, not the birthplace), it's often not on the birthday. (My own solar return has been the day before my birthday the last two years, but it was on my birthday in 2003.)
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #45
59. Splat! We're wrong on the Solar Return. he wasn't in DC - he
was in Scotland at the G 8 on his birthday wasn't he?
or was he? They brought him a cake there, but just before
he was in Denmark.

We need to retrace his schedule.

The relocation changes his chart substantially.

That's a major trick of the trade, right?
If you have a lousy solar return, go to another lat/long for that day.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:01 AM
Response to Reply #59
61. Good catch, Pallas, although StarIQ seem to have anticipated this
So that's why I couldn't sleep!

Hmmm, over at StarIQ they seem to realize this:

The Solar Return for the U.S. President is exceptionally noteworthy, since it not only foreshadows personal events, but those for the nation's Commander-in-Chief as well. The Solar Return takes place when the Sun returns to the same location as the natal Sun, generally within a day of the birthday. (Editor's note: Solar Returns can be calculated for the location, residence or birth place. This one is for the residence.)


I have found confirmation of that elsewhere. I guess I can see it, since he's not the Commander-in-Chief of Scotland, and it's not a personal chart but the office that he inhabits that we care about. Otherwise, it would seem like chart-shopping.

But I did chase his schedule, and he's at Gleneagles then.

He's actually in Auchterarder at 6:32 p.m., the moment of the solar return and just about the time he barreled his bike into the cop! (CNN: "According to McClellan, the accident occurred shortly after 6 p.m. (1 p.m. ET), ") I think this gives credibility to the Washington chart with that "seed moment" for the year. Maybe you just can't run away as easily if your office has a chart of its own! (i.e., the collision happened at roughly the same time as the 1:33 p.m. chart, Washington time.)

The difference is that the Ascendant shifts to 1'23" Sag, putting Pluto into the first. Mars-Jupiter opp is now house 4 to 10, Solar return Sun, the focus of the T square, is now in a huge 8th house (Placidus) that spans 5 Cancer to 23 Leo and includes Saturn, Venus and Mercury. (I can't imagine any astrologer suggesting he flee to this chart as a better alternative.) North Node at 18 Aries is bearing down on that 16 Aries Mars, btw.

Slightly different way of presenting the same message, I'd say.

Now maybe I can sleep!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #61
65. Here's another one to keep you up all night:) looking at Rove on TV,
he's not chubby, the body is thin, the head is very big.

Could he be Leo rising? would make sense with Saturn having entered
Leo with this breaking....possibly between 26 cancer to 29 cancer, 0 Leo?

Looking at the aspects between junior and Rove, it's interesting that they get along at all. Rove's Mars opposes juniors' Ascendant
Mercury and Pluto. And his Neptune conjuncts junior's Jupiter....the origin of the grandiose dreams patterned after the third reich
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:56 PM
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82. Apologies

I've been off-line and out of the loop for awhile but I wanted to apologize for getting everyone's hopes up for the 18th, only to be disappointed. While Rove was front page news across the country and he got wall-to-wall cable coverage, the day didin't bring the Destruction I had anticipated. Again, sorry for the false alarm.

(I should probably check to see if my overly idealistic Neptune is being afflicted - ha!)
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:18 AM
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48. You might find this interesting
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:50 PM
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71. Astrologers. We're not thinking - The London blasts should be a chart, the
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 11:56 PM by Pallas180
same way we did 9 11 charts.

And we did 9 -11 charts looking for the culprit. What we found was
Neptune in the 7th house ruling or connected to the 9th of foreigners,as I remember. And this was before we knew anything about bin Laden.

We should be doing the same thing with the London chart and the blasts

Here's the London chart rectified by Campion using the chart for (sensitive points) Greater London Council, which no longer exists, but he says is still relevant. And it appears he's right.

Mar 31, 1965, 11 PM GMT, London, England, Zone + 0:00, 000W10, 51N30

Asc 29 Scorpio
MC 23 Virgo
Mars Uranus conj at 11 Virgo in the 9th with Pluto at 14 Virgo in the 9th
Saturn 11 Pisces 34 in the third

On July 7, 2005 transiting Uranus was at 10 Pisces 34 opposition natal Mars/Uranus in 9 and conjunct natal Saturn in Pisces.

I think some of Luna's horary skills could be used on this chart.

The 5th house in this chart is ruled by Aries, so that tell me these were youths, and since Mars was transiting the third, they're from the "neighborhood" yet foreign (because Mars resides in the 9th natally.

Next ?

On Edit : this probably doesn't belong here, strange coincidence, maybe the 9 11 and this one could be compared:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bom...

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack"
Culpability cover scenario echoes 9/11 wargames

This is precisely what happened on the morning of 9/11/2001. The CIA was conducting drills of flying hijacked planes into the WTC and Pentagon at 8:30 in the morning.


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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #71
72. Thanks Pallas, I'll donate what I found online
I was looking for times of incidents a few days ago:

"The first reports were of an explosion at 08:49 BST (UTC+1) on the Metropolitan line between Liverpool Street Station and Aldgate East. ... At approximately 10:50 BST reports were made that there was an additional, as yet unidentified explosion along Houndsditch, near Liverpool Street Station. ... At 11:30 BST (UTC+1) St. Marys Hospital released a statement that they have admitted 4 critical, 8 severe and several minor injures. Injuries are limb damage, cuts, burns, head injuries and chest problems. ... Businesses have been hit by the uncertainty of the events the FTSE had fallen almost 3.5% by 11.47UTC (<1>).
http://www.juiceenewsdaily.com/0605/news/bombs.html?112...

***


The first explosion was reported at 8.59am London time (7.59pm NZT).
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=103...

***


"2005-07-07
Londoners got an ugly wake-up call this morning during rush hour as multiple bombs went off and blew the lid off of a double-decker bus. Authorities in London report at least 40 dead and over 1000 injured as they begin to clean up the carnage."
http://www.securitypronews.com/worldsecurity/ws_news/sp...

***


"UNDERGROUND CARNAGE

Emergency services rushed to Aldgate East underground station where police reported one incident at 8:59 a.m. local time (0759 GMT).

"There were people streaming out of Aldgate station covered in blood," said Kate Heywood, 27, on her way to work."
http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=...

***


"U.S. crude <CLc1> by 1430 GMT was trading down $1.56 on the day at $59.72 a barrel. Crude had plunged nearly $5 from a record high of $62.10 to an intraday low of $57.20 as it became clear the London blasts were deliberate.

Brent crude in London <LCOc1> fell to a low of $55.55 before recovering to $58.28 a barrel, down $1.54 on the day."
http://futures.fxstreet.com/Futures/news/afx/singleNew....
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #72
73. Thanks Simple Trend - are those the first reports?
I think they changed it later to that all four bombs occurred within
50 seconds of each other? And one man in the subway showed his watch
at 8:43 AM London time. Is that correct? There have been so many differing reports...and the exact time would be important..

:hi:
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. "showed his watch?"
:hi:

"And one man in the subway showed his watch
at 8:43 AM London time. Is that correct?
"

I have no idea. Can anyone else confirm this? I watch very little TV anymore.

Have there been any written news reports of the man with his watch? If so, I can't quickly find them. I did find another article titled, 'London Bombing Timeline' at the juiceenewsdaily.com site referenced above, there are sixteen total times referenced.

All times in UTC +1 or 'British Summer Time'

(JND) - A series of four bomb explosions struck London's transport system during the morning rush hour on Thursday, 7 July 2005. Three Underground trains were hit within half an hour, and a bus half an hour after that. At least 38 people were confirmed dead as a result of the attack, with the number of injured reported as high as 700. This number was expected to rise as authorities surveyed the impact of the blasts. ...

08:51: Initial reports of an incident ...
08:56: Explosion on train ...
09:17: Explosion on train ...
09:46: more explosions ...
09:47: Explosion on number 30 bus ...
more ...


There are conflicting times for 'first moment'. As far as what's in print that I've seen, first moment is either 8:49 or 8:51, and they are not the actual 'first explosion', just the delayed reports of it. I'd think this means at least five explosions, not four.

AFAIK, there's about 1/4 degree of angle and house cusp movement per minute, so, in 51 minutes (9:47-8:56)there's about 12 degrees of total movement, plus whatever additional time till the 'first incident.'

***

Because of some software issues I mentioned on another thread, I haven't looked at these charts yet, in fact, I haven't even charted them all. Fortunately, I think I straightened out the ephemeris issues on 'one' computer.

I'd also like to look at Rove's chart one of these years.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. timing
"And one man in the subway showed his watch
at 8:43 AM London time. Is that correct?"

I have no idea. Can anyone else confirm this? I watch very little TV anymore.


Yes, he was on a train passing one that was damaged and had a video camera. At one point he thought to point it at his watch to document the time.

NYT (no reg required for this link):


And amateur footage taken by an unidentified passenger, shown on Friday on the BBC, also indicated that the bombings had been much closer together than the first official account.

...Initially, police said the series of bombings Londons worst terror attack in decades -- started at 8.51 a.m. local time on Thursday morning near Liverpool Street station. By this first account, the second was at Kings Cross station at 8.56 a.m. and the third at Edgware Road at 9.17 a.m.. The explosion on the number 30 bus at Tavistock Square was timed at 9.47 a.m.

But, at a news conference on Saturday, Brian Paddick, deputy assistant police commissioner, said all three explosions "exploded within 50 seconds of each other" at around 0850 a.m.. The initial error in the account had been caused because the police were only informed of the Edgware Road bombing at 9.17 a.m.

... The fourth bomb, which ripped the top off a double-decker bus, struck about 57 minutes later. The police could not fully explain the time lag on Saturday.


That last one may have been an accident -- somebody who changed his mind, perhaps?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:28 PM
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75. That is correct
I saw the footage that the guy at the Kings Cross tube station shot with his cell phone & his watch said 8:43 (maybe 8:53?). It was on Countdown w/Keith Olbermann on MSNBC.

dg
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:21 AM
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77. ?s for the Astrologers: How does the GRAND FIRE TRINE
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 11:22 AM by Notorious Bohemian
this weekend affect Rove's chart?
If he's to be indicted Monday, then the process for that must happen this weekend. Matt Cooper testifed this morning, starting at 9:30 am, edt., so the Grand Jury would have to conclude after his testimony that they have enough evidence to proceed to vote on indictments, and that it where I think this Grand Fire Trine comes in. Could this aspect indicate the PROCESS of those indictments??

Also, I have one non-Astrological question I haven't seen asked anywhere before: Did Valerie plame testify before this Grand Jury, since she is the wounded party in this whole mess? It would make sense, but I have heard nothing about this - have any of you?

On Edit: the Grand Fire Trine is between Venus, Mars and Pluto.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 01:41 PM
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78. In very simplistic terms
Venus = Values/Justice
Mas = Action
Pluto = Destruction of the Status Quo

All acting synergistically in an action-oriented Element.

Sounds good to me.

As for Plame testifying, I don't know but Cooper's testimony today pretty much ended whatever Fitzgerald is going after.....outing Plame, perjury, conspiracy, obstruction of justice....there's a lot of possibilities on the Indictment Menu to choose from.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 02:12 PM
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79. I love your simplistic answer - it helps me understand.
As for what charges Rove might face - both John Dean and Michael Issakoff stated that "this investigation recently took a DRAMATIC turn, and DEEPENED the focus of this grand jury, and both stated that the charges against Rove could also be multiple counts of "defrauding" the government, as well as conspiracy. Basically, he was conspiring to harm Plame instead of doing his job.

Also, I read somewhere in GD yesterday that Fitzgerald DENIED ever stating that Rove was not a target or subject of this investigation, but can't find it now.

Thank you for taking the time to answer LunaC - time to go buy some popcorn! :evilgrin:
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:39 PM
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80. I'd love to see that statement from Fitzgerald (or his spokesperson)
I wondered if Rove's attorney was lying about that.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:52 AM
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81. I'm kinda late to this party....
I notice that today, the '3rd harmonic geocentric' focus of that trine is on Rove's Pluto. However, the orb is wide at about 6 degrees. His natal Pluto is at about the midpoint of transiting Pluto, Mars, Venus, and Mercury.

This changes by Monday (still 3rd harmonic wave), tMars and tVenus move toward Rove's nChiron, while tMercury and tMoon line up on his nPluto, both are about 1 degree applying to the respective natal bodies. Rove will receive intelligence relating to powerful deceptions which wounds/heals.

I mention the following mostly for timing purposes. I'm also seeing an curious 9th harmonic heliocentric transit pattern on the 20th. The 9th wave pattern is tMars, tEarth/Moon, tUranus conjunction on Rove's nPluto.

This may have to do with a relationship ending of some kind. When I was looking at it, I thought of Gannon for some reason. Whatever it is, it's sudden.
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