Trusting our gifts...NEW monthly VISIONING THREAD proposal

[FirstLight]

I was struck by the simple words from the PC in another recent thread... basically telling us we all have gifts and should start trusting thos gifts, etc"

In the spirit of that idea I would like to suggest a monthly thread like the Prayer thread - but this one can be called "Visioning & Information" or something of the sort. This way we can share our experiences and visions in one place and maybe better se trends and threds of probability ...which can assist us in creating a better world..
The titles within the thread can be labeled PV= personal vision or CV= collective vision...and we can foster more co-creation for eachother as well.


here's the rub, at least for me... have a hard toime with collective vision for the main purpose that part of me "wants" there to be a huge breakdwn and big event that changes things ...I wouldn't be opposed by some event that caused a 25% population loss...so the doomsday peice is still in my psyche, so I may be more inclined to "see" things that indicate that.
So perhaps as a beginning point, we can share some of our biases as we share our visions as well... to help clarify the picure for us all.

thoughts? ideas?
I would be wiling to 'host' the first thread of this type for MAY...

[FirstLight]

1. link to the PC quote...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=90570&mesg_id=90795


(sorry for the typos above, I was running out the door to get the kids to school! whew!)

[NuttyFluffers]

2. a fun idea. sharing personal visions and collective visualizations is a good spiritual dialogue.

first PV of this month, April:

lately been getting weird, alternate life dreams, where i party, sorta argue, discuss, interact, laugh, with wholly different groups of people familiar, but essentially strangers to me in this life. it's like i'm picking up consciousness work in another form somewhere else on another part of this planet. like swapping vessels to get work done in another body, does that make more sense? sorta fun, sorta disorienting, at times scary because of the implications.

basically the "message" i'm getting from these things is: Spread the Light. Be that Candle that lights a thousand more.

it's where we laugh, talk, argue, cry, smile, and in the end realize this isn't the end -- just a long beautiful now that needs us to be present and radiate that love and awareness. i guess it's a good message to be dreaming about, isn't it? could be worse, like what we went through years ago.

my bias: i love all variations of beauty and expression, from the morbid to the chirpy happy. rather difficult for me to be judgmental against any form of beauty or art. so even the darkness has its own beauty; i just believe one can enjoy the aesthetics of morbidity, without being a selfish, truly evil prick. same applies to highly fantastic, or highly logical and materialistic dichotomies.

i can see the beauty in the other, and i don't react all that well when surrounded by a groupthink hostile to "The Other". might explain why i registered as a Republican, even though i routinely find myself hanging around liberal, libertarian people and i espouse little to no relation to GOP thinking. i think i enjoy walking the path of the outsider. because once we start attacking "the outsider" as no longer a human but a threat, we've started to truly attack ourselves. so truly fitting in and being at home with one group identity is somewhat anathema to me.

may be a pleasant bias, but it still is a bias.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. I do visualizations all the time

and frankly sometimes lately it has almost been scary how they are manifesting. I think if we had a group effort, it would be important that everyone understood exactly what is being envisioned, so that the energy would not be diluted from mixed messages. Or maybe it should remain general so that the maximum manifestation happens.

As to you thinking of the doomsday and breakdown--perhaps the thing to do there is to think ahead to the outcome desired, and let Universe decide upon the method.

[FirstLight]

4. Yes..the outcomes are still to be understood...

but I think it would be a great collective exercise and PC has said said more than once on these threads that WE need to trust our own visions as well...which I agree. It can also be a good way for us individually to play with what techniques work for us, share ideas of reading from your 6th vs your 7th, etc..

as to my own weaknesses, I am just stating them as part of the initial concept. I think there are different ways I can read, making sure I am not in judgement and get clearer info...but I think as part of the introduction to this idea, we should ALL be willing to admit our percieved weaknesses in "seeing" and start on a good ground floor ...

I'd really like to do this for May and see what comes up...

[FirstLight]

5. Do I need moderator permission?

...or can I just start it and we'll see what comes up from there?

[I Have A Dream]

6. You don't need moderator permission. nt

[Why Syzygy]

7. Do you really mean 25%

population loss? 75,000,000 in the USA. Almost two billion world wide?

[Psychic Consortium]

8. big events, change

have already occurred. The financial and political landscape has
changed dramatically and will continue to do so.
It is the big shift that you perhaps have felt/wanted.

And you raise a good point, we must identify our human biases
when doing psychic work.

[MorningGlow]

9. That's what I tell people who are frantic about the "coming earth changes"

I point out that we've already weathered many a storm, and as for major shifts, we're IN THE MIDDLE OF IT (and we're surviving). What has been predicted for millennia is occurring right now...and we can deal with it. That always elicits some raised eyebrows--a lot of people never consider that the here-and-now is what we've been hearing about. They also never thought that they could handle it--they expected far more weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth from themselves and every single individual worldwide. This is not to say that we're all skipping through fields of daisies during the changes--I think it's safe to say we've all had some pretty tough times the past several years and in the present. But we're stronger than we think we are.

I think of this time period like childbirth. I dared to give birth to my son without meds (knowing that I could ask for some if the pain got unbearable), and even though the contractions were hellish, they...you know...ended eventually. And even in the middle of the birthing process (not in that "selective memory" afterward :rofl:) some part of my brain was saying "You know, this isn't THAT bad." After hearing all the horror stories, I expected far worse, I guess--my imagination conjured up pain far greater than the real pain. I think that's what we do as individuals aware of the earth changes--what we envisioned was far worse than what is actually occurring. Yeah, human imagination is pretty darn powerful.

And to take the childbirth analogy one step further, after the pain of childbirth, look what a great present--and future--you get! Looking forward to a pink, chubby, giggling newborn world...
:rofl:

[Psychic Consortium]

14. This is correct. nt

[northernlights]

18. the "doomsday" side of me

always expects the sun to stop shining in recessions. It doesn't. I expect it won't during a great depression. Or during great earth changes (unless they involve heavy clouds).

Maybe that's why people in general don't realize we're in the middle of it. Somehow its hard to realize big shifts are happening when you look out the window and see sunshine, rainy days, sunshine, etc...

[MorningGlow]

10. Hey sistah

Oh, you know you can count me in! Honestly, I'm quite bad at astrology, but I'm better at tarot when I apply myself, and runes, when I practice (I've gotten away from it lately). Mostly I just..."know" things are so. I pay attention to what resonates and what doesn't. So if that can be of use, I'll give it a shot!

[LaurenG]

11. Excellent thread FirstLight

Host away in May! I'm interested in seeing what everyone has to say.

[Sanity Claws]

12. Question

In our visioning posts, would you like us to stick to group visualizations or are purely personal ones okay? By purely personal, I mean a vision of our individual purposes in this life or regarding our personal relationships.

[FirstLight]

13. I'm seeing it as a mixture to start...

But the posts should be separated...

i.e. (..and I will explain this in detail in the May thread)
in the title line of the post, you will indicate if it is a personal observation or a collective vision...

I think we get information that is importnt on both levels, and we can also see where ou personal experiences overlap, or where someone's personal experience can trigger a vision on a collective level...

it's still an experiment, but I look forward to "seeing" what we come up with! :)

[FirstLight]

15. TIMING... shall we choose times for certain visioning projects?

I found this great site that calculates the PLANETARY HOURS for your specific location... this could be an assist in the timing of your visioning meditations, and what to focus on, etc...

I would also like to implement the concept of a 'groupthink' avtivity, much like the healing threads do...like a "check-in" time for most of the peple participating in the visioning process...
what time is best for you? morning or evening? or should we just make a morning time and an evening time and we can jump in as needed?

I am loving this idea, and so glad you all are assisting in manifesting the reality!
THIS is EXACTLY what I see happening with this visioning experiment!!! we can HOLD the visions toether and bring them into our earth reality! yay!

[Delphinus]

16. Let me ask you this:

What happens when we are wrong? I have relied on my intuition and my body telling me things for a long time. I just realized I was wrong - hugely - in a situation and now I don't know if I can trust these gifts again. It makes me question everything.

[Psychic Consortium]

19. This is where practice and training come in.....

You might want to keep a psychic journal and begin to track your hits and misses. No psychic is 100% correct all the time.

It is helpful to look at psychic skills like any other human ability, say musical or athletic ability. We are born with varying degrees of innate talent, and then training and practice hone the skill. And even talented well trained people have bad days.

Also as indicated previously, most psychics are better in some areas than others. It helps to be aware of individual strengths and weaknesses.

Another important tip is that we need to detach ego from psychic ability. We cannot make it connected to our self worth in any way. It just is what it is. No more, no less.

[Psychic Consortium]

17. Good idea....

PC's belief is that psychic/healing gifts are meant to be used to help others, to be of service.

One additional suggestion to think about when practicing
and honing psychic skills: pick a specific topic. Then let
everyone cook on it for awhile and see what they come up with.

It is easier to have a specific focus, then just free floating it when in beginning stages of training.

Also most psychics tend to have specialty areas, most are not good at everything. Some at better at finding lost objects, or mediumship, politics, big picture, small details, healing, etc. As you work through the psychic process do not be discouraged, just keep going until you find your niche.

[FirstLight]

20. Thanks PC for your input, and encouragement

I think the ego part is important, that's why I wanted everyone to take a minute and think about their 'bias' as we get started...

as to choosing a specific topic or area for focus... I think maybe the weeks pof the month will be split up in that way...

let me look at the planetary influences, and when the thread opens tomorrow, I'll give some outlines to get us rolling!

Personally, I have been taking a intuition/meditation class for a few months now, and my reading skills are getting better...but it is difficult for me to read from the 7th, as opposed to the 6th...just practice, though. when I first opened my 6th to 100% I thought I was gonna have a headache for a week! LOL

I also like the idea of a journal, it may assist in making the visioning more of a dedicated orctice than just a sporadic event. focus and concentration are key here...and then the manifesting can be a group effort as well!

yay!

[Psychic Consortium]

22. Yes

Identifying individual bias is important.

And yes the information received is often subtle, nuanced, and complex so learning to focus and concentrate is important.

[Fire Walk With Me]

21. I have an ability to sometimes synthesize trends ahead of the curve

and find that most oppose such information. My recommendation in researching your abilities is to be very discriminating regarding those with whom you share the procee. I pray that all of you encounter sympathetic and receptive audiences, such as Sonia Choquette describes in her autobiography (seemingly complete support and openness in her family).

Now is the time to seek the Siddhis. Best luck to everyone!

[southerncrone]

23. I'm in! I think this is a terrific idea.

This seems like it will be a wonderful way to validate our psychic abilities while also banding our energy together to illicit change. Gotta love a twofer! ;)

As for my biases: Initially I always trend toward the worst possible outcome. Maybe that's just my being a paranoid Scorpio, don't know. In all situations, I can immediately see problems that will need to be overcome. Once I've got those "logged", I am usually able to come around to more realistic perspectives. It's kinda like I've got to walk through the hell before I can emerge to the truth. Suppose it might be the Phoenix aspect of Scorpio.

Looking forward to this endeavor with all of you! :grouphug:

[PuraVidaDreamin]

24. Are there any exercises anyone can share for increasing intuition etc...

I've had a few instances I can pinpoint to that you just can't call coincidence.
But where does one begin to begin building this strength?

I love coming here to all you beautiful people!

[Mist]

26. There are some kind of fun ways to build your intuition that I learned in a class

some years ago. The key to strengthening your intuition is to learn to take the first answer that comes to you. Don't "over-think" it. We were told to take the first answer that comes when:

-the phone rings

-the doorbell rings

A fun one, if you like gumballs, or have someone to hand them off to:

Put a coin in a gumball machine and guess which color gumball will come out. The first time I did this, I just went over to a gumball machine, put in a coin, and took the first answer to "what color gumball will come out?" I thought to myself "Pink, definately pink." I opened my eyes and every gumball in the machine seemed to be green, orange, or yellow. I turned the handle and a pink gumball came out.

[I Have A Dream]

28. I like this exercise. Great fun!

Thanks for the idea, Mist.

:)

[Why Syzygy]

27. Hey, here's a mudra...

I've never seen this one:

http://healing.about.com/od/east/ig/Mudra-Gallery/Garuda.htm

[PuraVidaDreamin]

29. I wonder how active the hands and fingers are?

It reminds me somewhat of the yoga pose, garudasana.

Cool site, thanks!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

30. I have a book called MUDRAS: YOGA IN YOUR HANDS

By Gertrude Hirschl.

[northernlights]

25. another Question

What do we do if we have an opposing vision to one that's been posted. (Not that we "choose" that vision, we simply see it.)

OR, if the reality manifests differently than the vision after someone has posted their vision?

Like you, sometimes I trend towards the "doomsday" scenarios, but also like southerncrone I think it has to do with my seeing potential pitfalls and then having things work out ok. (My take is that it is important to allow, acknowledge and honor negative feelings and visions that arise...but then choose to follow the light. Otherwise, it is too easy to begin to repress negative feelings which then manifest...)

[ropi]

31. PC encouraged me to post. I will post my original writing to them as well

At the request of PC, I am posting predictions.

Obama Family

It has yet to be presented in a formal manner, but the presence of the Mother and Grandmother is a remarkable feature of the Obama family unit. The Spirit shows that this is necessary on many levels; one is to dispel any aggression toward what is considered the non-traditional family, and to make us recognize the importance of cherishing the older and wiser members of our families who we often dismiss as too old or out of touch. The presence of the Grandmother also works in a manner to show the Obama’s beginning of the return to the feminine energy or as some would say the Goddess energy. Mother, Maiden, and Crone are represented as a presence in our country. For too long the rights of women have been made to seem wrong. I need not remind you readers of the meme “I am a feminist, but ….” This notion of being a strong female is reflected in the Obama family from Daughters to Mothers. It touches every one of us, but we’ve yet to realize the power of how deep the impact is.

Republican Party-

Although there are many who feel that the Republican Party is in demise, it is not in demise. What is occurring is a return of energies that were spilled out in the late 1970s and throughout the Bush I era with the push for the “Moral Majority”. This entity or party worked hard to discredit the return to the balance, the feminine energy, and they were successful as many of us see that so many younger women speak of liberation, but they do not wish to be associated with all that was made to seem ‘bad’ during the previous era. That is to say that the energy of the Second Wave feminists was made to appear as anti American, anti Woman, and it nurtured a generation who forgot to honor all that was fought for with women’s rights.

It is ironic that Ms. McCain leads the way for the New Republican party, but it is not an accident. She is a young, articulate woman who is not controlled by the generation before her. Yes, there is some sense of control as she is careful not to upset the Status Quo at the moment, but she is the RETURN of the negative energy that they placed out which discredited so many women. She now reflects “I am a Republican, but not ‘that’”, which is exactly the same meme that they used to discredit so many liberated women. I find it ironic along with the Spirit who now laughs, as I see that many of the predictions long ago told of a blond woman bringing down the Republican Party as we know it. We looked outward within our own party when it was one of their own upcoming voices who is reforming and redefining what it means to be ‘Republican’. Ms. McCain is the blonde woman that we have been seeing in readings and in other threads.

Torture, Water boarding etc…

It is with a heavy heart that I write that much will not be done to those who harmed so many persons with these tactics. Moreover, those persons who approved them live with the guilt and it eats at their very being. I do see a desire for retribution by certain persons and groups; however, spirit shows me that this will not likely happen due to the apathy of the American people. Yes, we are angry. Yet, there are personal issues that keep us from the pursuit of condemning these persons. Home and family issues take precedence over the larger issue. Yes, there are those of you who say “But this country is my home and I understand the desire to make the HOME better’ but until we stop the abuse of one another within families, when we stop the torture between siblings on so many levels, then the balance on a larger scale will occur.

I wish for better news on this at the moment, but at this time until it reflects the healing process within our own ‘backyards’ we will see little movement for justice. This even pains me to write it.

[ropi]

32. My original private with PC

Hello Everyone,

PC asked me to post so I shall. This was part of my initial conversation with PC. Afterwards they asked me to post these for you to share.



My extreme worry is the First Lady as it seems that while our President is protected, they will use her as a point to focus. I do not know if she is awake enough to thwart these energies. However I am assured by spirit that the placement of her Mother in the family dynamic somehow lessens the work they would use against her when it comes to speaking of those who wish the president ill. There is something magical about the dynamic that keeps it all in balance.

There will be a focus on a LGBT player for Supreme Court, but I do feel that this will be done merely to expose more of the terrible hatred that seethes from the ones who wish to paint the LGBT community as evil or anti American or anti family. This of course will be a blow to the LGBT persons, but on a larger scale it levels the playing field for the damage that the Moral Religious Right has caused. Such work, and such great work they thought they had created is burning up in front of them and they are shocked to see it go up in flames so fast.

Regarding Swine Flu—This is a tactic to keep others from focusing on the gifts of life and what divine goodness there is in each of us. The idea to stir up fear keeps everyone separate, and untrustworthy of the neighbor. Unlike those who would want to say it was ‘planted’ in a segment of the population—it was not. The ‘planting’ of the flu is done mainly by the media to scare persons.

The largest shock coming is the massive cuts to job within the months of July and August from what I feel. This will wipe across the boards and it will not cause a backlash or anger, but much more of a malaise and heartbreak for many. This is going to cause many persons to have to redefine who they are, what is important, and what is necessary to survive.


I sense neighborhoods (even within larger cities) returning to a small town/communal focus. Those ‘arts’ that were considered dying arts; sewing, canning, etc..which are lost, will be extremely important and many will have to learn, to connect to the old who are willing to teach, and to trust in the knowledge that is still left. It seems like there is a residual desire for those who departed, but who grew up in the depression era the first time who are coming back to remind us to learn these skills. It is by the very learning of these skills that our redefinitions come to pass. Men and women both will return to the local market place

It is strange, but I see almost a sheer horror towards anything that is remotely flashy or ostentatious.

The more I look the more I see that people and styles become very plain if not severe. It is not the typical preppy look I see, but more of a simplicity that I have not been able to articulate. It’s not futuristic, but it is not the past either. It’s as if the two merge into a new plainer style. Things like designer brands will be looked at with great shock. A return to people looking respectable is important.

I sense a great schism within religions within the year’s end. I do not know what precipitates this but it’s something to do with all the negative energy that they have focused out. It’s almost sad because for so many who defined themselves through this way of life, the emerging understanding of the Divine will scare them. They want to cling to their fear. This will be very hard to overcome.

There is too much emphasis on 2012 as well. That which we know and understand as ascension is in process.

The fear that the galactic alignment will bring about an age of Aquarius is some left over notion. It’s not what they think. It’s a balancing- a cleansing. But not mass destruction and then an era of rainbows—it is a transition and with that comes birth pangs.

I sense wide blackouts of communications for times within the latter part of this year. It’s as if communication itself is demanding that we relearn the ‘human’ component to communication.

I think the COST of things like cell phones and such will be so high that the loss of work for many will shock them as they have to return to the OLD ways—and for so many this is seemingly impossible. This is going to shock a great number of the younger persons who have come to grow up with the gadgets

regarding the rights that come—as long as the LGBT community does not push out of hatred it will come sooner than they realize –almost at light speed.

[Why Syzygy]

34. Would you have any

objection to adding both these entries to your Journal?

I can understand how having a strong mother standing with you could mitigate negativity. It's when we get isolated as women that we shatter. On another blog (not DU), I read a scathing article about what a 'traitor' Michele is due to her 'giving up her career'. That's part of the distortion I THINK you're suggesting. I was shocked to read a thread at DU awhile ago that suggested teen girls WANT to get pregnant with their boyfriends "in order to hold onto them". I really thought my generation had moved beyond those types of concepts, and found that very discouraging. It might be that as part of the hard won battles of the feminist movement, we didn't arrive at the best possible location. The 60's/70's angry woman is what the GLBTs need to be cautious with, perhaps. From my own selfish viewpoint, it seems that era produced quite a few calloused men as well. Those in their 40's about now, though that is not universal. We went straight from the apron to the business suit, with no awareness of the middle ground. It would be wonderful to see the feminine come into a beautiful balance.

[ropi]

35. :-) Of course, I can blog it!

You know- as I was posting it occurred to me to blog these.

Thanks!

[Psychic Consortium]

33. PC sees many of you with talent and skill.

Some of you have sent back channel messages, some of you already post, some of you lurk.

The message goes to all of you.

PC encourages you to begin posting, practicing, getting feedback.
This forum is a safe and supportive place to do such work.