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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 03:44 PM
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Can Vitamin D cure the common cold?
I saw this article and thought of everyone here and our discussions about Vitamin D...

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/21/Can-Vitamin-D-Cure-the-Common-Cold.aspx

Can Vitamin D Cure the Common Cold?

"In the largest study yet of the association between vitamin D and respiratory infections, people with the lowest blood vitamin D levels reported having significantly more recent colds or cases of the flu. The risks were even higher for those with chronic respiratory disorders such as asthma.

Vitamin C has been used for the prevention of colds for decades, but little scientific evidence supports its effectiveness. In contrast, evidence has accumulated that vitamin D plays a key role in the immune system.

The wintertime deficiency of vitamin D, which the body produces in response to sunlight, has been implicated in the seasonal increase in colds and flu, and previous small studies have suggested an association between low blood levels of vitamin D and a higher risk of respiratory infections.

The newest study analyzed blood levels of vitamin D from almost 19,000 adult and adolescents, selected to be representative of the overall U.S. population..."

Good health to you all!


Laura
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 05:46 PM
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1. Laura ..
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 05:47 PM by Why Syzygy
I took a look at youtube re: chia seeds, as posted by Shallah. It made me think of you and your blood pressure since they are so high in EFAs. Have you investigated them?

*sorry for OT. It had slipped my mind to get back to you with that info.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 06:44 PM
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2. No, I had not thought about that. I'll take a look. Thanks!
I appreciate you thinking about it for me!

:hug:



Laura
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:42 AM
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11. This one ..
presents the nutritional content >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rGZh2d7UYU

If I calculated correctly, 4 Tbs a day provide 100% of RDA for EFAs.
The RDA would be the MINIMUM, but 'the average American diet' doesn't even provide that. The upside to this delivery method is they can be added to just about any other food dish. As reported, EFAs increase the elasticity of the veins, which aids in normal blood pressure functioning. Lecithin is an emulsifier, effectively a blood thinner. I have personal experience with Lecithin in a situation where it helped my body discharge an oil soluble *foreign substance* ;) . HPB is prevalent in my family. I've managed to keep my in normal ranges. It is higher now than when I was younger. But, I don't take nearly as good care of myself. You do better!

btw. Vitamin D. It's been posted in the Health Forum several times. I've doubled my dose and am sleeping better, which was my main interest at the moment.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 06:47 PM
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3. I didn't know this
I know that we get patients who are tested to see what their Vitamin D levels are. If they are too low, we give them vitamin D tablets with 50,000 IU--a real megadose--to get it up to snuff. I'll have to find out if they are getting this because they have colds or something else.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:25 PM
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4. Very Interesting. I went to doctor today..and she told me to take Vitaim D-3
I think the D-3 is absorbed faster into the blood than regular Vitamin D.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:39 PM
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5. We sell a lot of Vitamin D-3
We have a small stock of supplements we sell.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:46 PM
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6. good for back pain as well
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/112633.php

According to Stewart B. Leavitt, MA, PhD, editor of Pain Treatment Topics and author of the report, "our examination of the research, which included 22 clinical investigations of patients with pain, found that those with chronic back pain almost always had inadequate levels of vitamin D. When sufficient vitamin D supplementation was provided, their pain either vanished or was at least helped to a significant extent."
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:23 PM
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7. Vitamin D is amazing. The more I read the more I want to kick myself for not supplementing it
A most excellent site devoted to Vitamin D with links to many studies that back up the claims:

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org

I have most of the risk factors for a deficiency - live in the north, don't get sun when there is any with the right kind of rays to be had, currently have digestive issues which reduce absorption and eat a diet with few foods with it. Until last year when I did supplement it was with a small amount of the D2 which most experts on Vitamin D believe to be inferior in absorption to D3 - cholecalciferol. Then early last year I started taking calcium with the right kind of D getting 400 to 800 IU per day. I was leary of going higher as I had read so many warnings about dangers of overdosing as the body can store Vitamin D in body fat unlike water soluble vitamins like B complex. I started reading more on it after hearing of studies showing lower cancer rates and that some heart experts were saying low vitamin d along with high C-Reactive Protein were a better indicator of heart attack risk than high cholesterol. My Mother has high cholesterol which is coming down on the statin her doc has her on but her CRP has *increased*. I bugged her to get her D levels tested and her Doctor said it was OK but now I wonder if he did the right test as she said he didn't even know why so many patients were asking him to test them. Also when she asked for a copy of her test results his office sent copies of everything but the D levels. she is due for bloodwork soon so I made her write down the correct test this time to make sure the levels are OK. BTW a small study several years ago showed 500 IU of Vitamin D reduced C-RP 25% - VITAMIN D LOWERS C-REACTIVE PROTEIN (CRP) {PDF}

With low vitamin D being connected to so many diseases including autoimmune like MS, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Fibromyalgia that run in my family :scared: I am going to up my D to at least the current official rda maximum of 2,000 IU a day. I might go higher if I read enough studies showing at least short term higher doses are safe. I am also considering getting the at home test done as I doubt I could convince my own doc to get me tested or that my insurance would agree it was needed so in the end it would be cheaper to just do it myself.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:32 PM
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8. I take 2000 IU a day.
I don't know if it's made a difference, but I've heard that it's severely lacking in most people's diet. I don't remember how long I've been taking it.

I have been working really long hours with very little sleep, but I haven't gotten any colds this year. I usually get several. I've also tried to be really careful about washing my hands often. I'm becoming like Howard Hughes in reference to germs! :silly:

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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:54 AM
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9. I was under the vague impression that
vitamin D was one of those for which too much was a bad thing. But then, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about these things, and I'm simply talking off the top of my head here and did not even bother to do a Google on vitamin D.

Anyway, interesting stuff.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:26 AM
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10. The Truth About Vitamin D Toxicity
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDToxicity.shtml

In 1999, Vieth indirectly asked the medical community to produce any evidence 10,000 units of vitamin D a day was toxic, saying "Throughout my preparation of this review, I was amazed at the lack of evidence supporting statements about the toxicity of moderate doses of vitamin D." He added: "If there is published evidence of toxicity in adults from an intake of 250 ug (10,000 IU) per day, and that is verified by the 25(OH)D concentration, I have yet to find it." Vieth R. Vitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentration, and safety. Am J Clin Nutr. 1999;69:842–56.

Like most medication, cholecalciferol is certainly toxic in excess, and, like Coumadin, is used as a rodent poison for this purpose. Animal data indicates signs of toxicity can occur with ingestion of 0.5 mg/kg (20,000 IU/kg ), while the oral LD50 (the dose it takes to kill half the animals) for cholecalciferol in dogs is about 88 mg/kg, or 3,520,000 IU/kg. An Overview of Cholecalciferol Toxicosis. The American Board of Veterinary Toxicology (ABVT). This would be equivalent to a 110-pound adult taking 176,000,000 IU or 440,000 of the 400 unit cholecalciferol capsules. Vieth reports human toxicity probably begins to occur after chronic daily consumption of approximately 40,000 IU/day (100 of the 400 IU capsules). Vieth R. Vitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentration, and safety.Am J Clin Nutr. 1999;69:842–56. Heavy sun exposure when combined with excessive supplement use is a theoretical risk for vitamin D toxicity, but if such a case has been reported, I am not aware of it. Physician ignorance about vitamin D toxicity is widespread. A case report of four patients appeared in the 1997 Annals of Internal Medicine, accompanied by an editorial warning about vitamin D toxicity. Adams JS, Lee G. Gains in bone mineral density with resolution of vitamin D intoxication. Ann Intern Med. 1997 Aug 1;127(3):203–6. Marriott BM. Vitamin D supplementation: a word of caution. Ann Intern Med. 1997 Aug 1;127(3):231–3. However, careful examination of the patients reveals that both papers are a testimony to the fact that incompetence about vitamin D toxicity can reach the highest levels of academia. Vieth R. Vitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentration, and safety. Am J Clin Nutr. 1999;69:842–56. Heaney R, Davies K, Chen T, Holick M, Barger-Lux MJ. Human serum 25 hydroxycholecalciferol response to extended oral dosing with cholecalciferol. Am J Clin Nutr. 2003;77:204–10. See worst science for a full critique.
Cholecalciferol, Not Ergocalciferol, Is Safe

Although there are documented cases of pharmacological overdoses from ergocalciferol, the only documented case of pharmacological—not industrial—toxicity from cholecalciferol we could find in the literature was intoxication from an over-the-counter supplement called Prolongevity. Koutkia P, Chen TC, Holick MF. Vitamin D intoxication associated with an over-the-counter supplement. N Engl J Med. 2001 Jul 5;345(1):66–7. On closer inspection, it seemed more like an industrial accident but it was interesting because it gave us some idea of the safety of cholecalciferol. The capsules consumed contained up to 430 times the amount of cholecalciferol contained on the label (2,000 IU). The man had been taking between 156,000–2,604,000 IU of cholecalciferol a day (equivalent to between 390–6,500 of the 400 unit capsules) for two years. He recovered uneventfully after proper diagnosis, treatment with steroids, and sunscreen.

It is true that a few people may have problems with high calcium due to undiagnosed vitamin D hypersensitivity syndromes such as primary hyperparathyroidism, granulomatous disease, or occult cancers, but a blood calcium level, PTH, 25(OH)D, and calcitriol level should help clarify the cause of the hypersensitivity. Although D can be toxic in excess, the same can be said for water.
Therapeutic Index

As a physician, I know that psychotic patients should drink about 8 glasses of water a day. However, many would hurt themselves by regularly drinking 40 glasses a day (called compulsive water intoxication). So you could say that water has a therapeutic index of 5 (40/8).

Heaney's recent research indicates that healthy humans utilize about 4,000 units of vitamin D a day (from all sources). Heaney R, Davies K, Chen T, Holick M, Barger-Lux MJ. Human serum 25 hydroxycholecalciferol response to extended oral dosing with cholecalciferol. Am J Clin Nutr. 2003;77:204–10. However, 40,000 units a day, over several years, will hurt them. Vieth R. Vitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentration, and safety. Am J Clin Nutr. 1999;69:842–56. Therefore, vitamin D has a therapeutic index of 10 (40,000/4,000)—twice as safe as water. We are not saying vitamin D is as safe as water, we are saying vitamin D is safe when used in the doses nature uses.



Vitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations, and safety.

The assembled data from many vitamin D supplementation studies reveal a curve for vitamin D dose versus serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D <25(OH)D> response that is surprisingly flat up to 250 microg (10000 IU) vitamin D/d. To ensure that serum 25(OH)D concentrations exceed 100 nmol/L, a total vitamin D supply of 100 microg (4000 IU)/d is required. Except in those with conditions causing hypersensitivity, there is no evidence of adverse effects with serum 25(OH)D concentrations <140 nmol/L, which require a total vitamin D supply of 250 microg (10000 IU)/d to attain. Published cases of vitamin D toxicity with hypercalcemia, for which the 25(OH)D concentration and vitamin D dose are known, all involve intake of > or = 1000 microg (40000 IU)/d. Because vitamin D is potentially toxic, intake of >25 microg (1000 IU)/d has been avoided even though the weight of evidence shows that the currently accepted, no observed adverse effect limit of 50 microg (2000 IU)/d is too low by at least 5-fold.


I used to think D was more dangerous that the studies and articles I am reading seem to indicate. In other words it takes aLOT more D that I feared to reach a toxic level unless a person has one of the diseases that would require them to avoid d in any case.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:03 AM
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12. I definitely need to look at this much closer for my daughter...
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 07:05 AM by OneGrassRoot
and myself.

Thanks again, Shallah and everyone.

:grouphug:

P.S.

I've also seen it prescribed in megadoses like 50,000 IU to kickstart it. I'm confused about D2 versus D3, however. Any knowledge or experience with one versus the other?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:15 AM
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13. Briefly .
D2 (Ergocalciferol) is made by plants, and D3 (Cholecalciferol) made by animals.
Both are produced from sun exposure.

"D" is fat soluble, and the D3 has been shown to store in the body for a longer period than D2.
Therefore you need D2 more often. Some studies indicate D3 is also more potent. Not sure if that refers to the storage capability. I haven't done a complete research, but wanted to just get the minimum amount of information I needed to determine what the difference is.

There may be other differences. Some people recommend D3 especially. Since I only had D2 on hand, I just increased my intake.

Here's one conclusion >
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Research/Vitamin-D3-more-potent-than-D2-further-evidence
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:30 AM
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14. most like the D3
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:28 AM
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15. Excellent! Thanks for the summary and the links you guys....
:)

:pals:

:grouphug:
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 03:46 PM
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16. Vitamin D (D3) Free After Extra Bucks this Month @ CVS
1 bottle of 400 IU, 100 tiny tablets *free* of gluten, wheat, dairy, and a pile of other possible no-nos. Get 'em while they still have 'em. 400 IU is the gov's current AI or RDA or whatever the heck they call it these days. Personally I am building up to at least 2,000 IU a day myself (and might go higher for a month or two) as I feel a wee bit more lively and less brain foggy on the extra 400 IU on top of my daily two calcium w/D 400IU. I want to find out how I will feel and my body will operate when my Vitamin D stores have been replenished :bounce:

I have also added another neglected nutrient to my diet - Vitamin K. As with D it is hard to get enough of this nutrient esp. as I have trouble digesting any of the high K foods such as spinach, currently (hoping someday I won't be somehow) allergic to dairy, and don't eat organ meats. After years of having to only have old fillings replaced I can see a tiny almost cavities my dentist had on watch is a bit bigger. The last time I went to the dentist I had a massive panic attack so I am highly motivated in finding a way to avoid visits. Brushing flossing several times a day, even using a floride swish in spite of my concerns about that substance and still that sucker got bigger. Well I came across a site talking about a dentist in the early/mid 1900s who claimed to cure cavities with concentrated cod liver oil for the vitamin D and something he called activator X which turns out to be vitamin k. I will come back later and post the link when I find it again. I got on a google feeding frenzy gobbling up vitamin d & k info and tidbits opening more and more tabs until my olde PC groaned and grumbled and forgot to bookmark so I could go back and properly absorb the information.
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