I just don't think Obama can handle what is happening in the world

[Digit]

My candidate was John Edwards...I believed in his ability to tackle the issues that are upon us. I had good feeling about him all the way around. Always have...if you noticed, my avatar has been JE for years now...

I don't believe Obama is up for the task. Popularity contests are one thing, but when it comes down to getting things done, I don't believe he is up for it.

Hillary, well she IS strong, and SMART and I guess would be my choice.

There is just this one tinsey part of me wishing Gore would jump in to save the day.
...that is..unless Edwards somehow came out of hibernation and resumed his run.

[SeattleGirl]

1. Just remember, though, that while who is President IS important,

so is his VP, his cabinet, and the members of congress.

I think that sometimes we (and I include myself in that) forget that it isn't just the President who runs things. It's a bunch of people, and whether it's Hilary or Barack, I hope they choose the very best people they can for their administration.

[Digit]

3. Haven't we had enough of that with Bush?

We need someone who isn't so advised as to be intelligent enough to make decisons and to know enough who to ger advisement from.

[Chovexani]

2. I honestly don't think anyone could handle this mess

I pity whoever has to clean up. I'm not even being snarky, I well and truly do feel sorry for whoever inherits this mess.

[Why Syzygy]

7. It amazes me that so

many continue to not even notice a mess. They turn a blind eye to those who are drowning. I don't even get that our entrusted leaders know that we have a mess! I finally saw Hillary in a sober moment talking about the REAL PEOPLE who are suffering and yes, we do need a savior. I haven't posted on those threads yet, but my gut has been whispering, we do. Yes we do. But let's remember. Saviors have a tenuous lifeline.

[Fire Walk With Me]

9. The only saviors we can expect

are ourselves.

[I Have A Dream]

10. The problem is that everyone else's free will is interfering...

with our ability to save ourselves. We need to somehow get mass consciousness to "get with the program" so that we don't get to the point of no return.

[Fire Walk With Me]

14. Indeed! And in working for such, we are our own potential saviors.

Or something, I think... :)

I don't know what level of positive energy would be neccessary on Earth for those with bad intent to simply change, or to want to change their ways. I'm certainly praying on it, but with the evidence in my own life, we have a ways to go. I'm working upon changing myself and opening my heart, in spite of external negativity and the problems facing me, and it's working, so in the larger sense, I hope that it is truly helpful to the solution we all need. Keep those prayers and visualizations going, it is making a difference! I think that this very forum and its members is partial proof. There are some really wonderful people here, and seeing them active in the cause gives me hope :hug:

[Why Syzygy]

12. I may have more to post

on this later. I understand your perspective. Even the Bible says we each work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. But wouldn't a true "savior", or Leader, empower individual people? Wouldn't he/she LEAD us to a place where there is a possibility of more enlightenment? Something just tells me we do need someone to lead us. I may be off, but I've got to go with my gut. We desperately need a savior to bring Justice. Who else is going to? ... possibly more later. It's an interesting topic.

[Fire Walk With Me]

15. You are right, an avatar or an enlightened leader would be an enormous blessing

for the future of the nation, something so obvious that even doubters would want to join. This may naturally happen at some point; we can only hope.

Some of the Ascension literature I've seen recently speaks to the current process of us all dealing with releasing the dark from the entirety of our past lives. This makes sense regarding our manifesting George Bush and friends, so that we get a chance to see what those agendas and behaviors are really like on the receiving end, so that we can choose to not deceive, manipulate, dominate, and steal. This sort of thing, if it is as true as I believe it to be (and I'm synthesizing it as I go), would certainly be an explanation regarding the tumult of the times, and our increasing need for positive leadership. We have to change ourselves as well as expecting someone to change things for us. Sorry if that sounds pedantic. I think out loud as I refine my concepts.

I'm in the 12-step programs, and I note the number of people who are actively living God's will, and in the process of surrender, bring a bit of God in contact with the world, and change it for the better through their new way of living and in making amends, etc. I think that it is extremely impressive and a wonderfully good thing for the world. If only the nations could take up the 12 Traditions as a way of organizing and effecting government and leadership.

[I Have A Dream]

16. You're right, Peake. The US would benefit from the 12-step program.

Its addictions are power and greed. Only then can we heal and begin to behave like a civilized country in reference to our actions towards the rest of the world and towards our less fortunate citizens.

[Why Syzygy]

19. ...to be exact,

Peake said 12 Traditions, not 12 Step Program. To implement the 12 Steps as government standrard would be advocating Theocracy, something I don't think anyone here would do. I'll stick with the Constitution.

*edit
And just because I have to, I'm pointing out that 12 steps are not the only method of recovery from addiction. I cannot dispute that some have power and greed addictions. But, at this point in time, our courts are still upholding our Constitutional right to separate state and religion and are not even lawfully allowed to sentence addicts to 12 step programs. I don't think we want to bring that debate to this group.

[I Have A Dream]

20. You can see that I've never done anything related to this.

I'm not saying that anyone would force anything on anyone. My post doesn't say that.

I was speaking metaphorically. I didn't expect that anyone would take it as something that I actually wanted to be implemented as a program. I meant that our country needs to do whatever it takes to get over its addiction to greed and power.

If 12 Traditions makes more sense, then change what I said to 12 Traditions.

[Why Syzygy]

23. I know you probably haven't.

Many have. There is danger in supporting something we don't fully understand.
I didn't mean to suggest that changing it to "Traditions" makes it okay. I still object.
What is wrong with the Constitution? It has enough safeguards and guidelines to ensure justice.
No, I do not advocate linking any form of religious document to our laws. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

[I Have A Dream]

24. vsm, I wasn't clear by what I meant, and I'm not going to be able to make...

myself clear, I suspect.

I was trying to say that we have a problem in this country, and I hope that we can work our way through it before it's too late, and to do so will take some real work on our part. I didn't mean any of it literally. Other than saying that, I can't make myself any more clear.

[LaurenG]

4. The last two front runners were never on my list of favorites

I had three others that of course didn't make it. I think the greatest injustice that could happen to our country now would be for McCain to win. (I think McCain was promised the 2008 republican nomination back in 2004).

I'll take Obama or Clinton over McCain (or any other republican) any day.

I foresee another very nasty summer coming up around this election as well.

:hug:

[BlueIris]

5. Then focus on Gore. Again, it is not too late.

Manifest the candidate you want to become President, and don't let the media, the ignorant asshats on DU or anyone else, get in the way.

[rosesaylavee]

48. You know...

I like it when you say that. I don't how it would work but I still think he has the overview we need right now on the many troubled fronts. He would galvanize the country to work together to begin to solve the problems.

I think we are fortunate to have two very capable leaders in Clinton and Obama. Gore would just be better. ... or the best of all possible leaders to lead us in this time.

:hug:

[BanzaiBonnie]

6. Neither Hillary or Obama are perfect

I am an Edwards supporter too. I just love that man and his family. He'll not fade away by any chance and will continue his work. Since he won't be president, I will be proud as punch to call either Obama or Hillary president. Although I am rather hoping for an Obama /Richardson ticket. I think Richardson's ability as a negotiator would be a supreme asset in office, in support of an Obama presidency.


I agree that any weaknesses in a candidate can be supported by the right cabinet.



It takes a cabinet to raise a President.<G>

[MorningGlow]

8. Has anybody heard anything about Edwards lately?

He certainly is lying low, and understandably so. But I want to know if he's huddling up, making plans. I want that guy back! I loves me my President Edwards. :evilgrin:

[stellanoir]

11. Consider reading this in its entirety before you arrive at that conclusion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william/why-i-recorded-yes-w_b_84655.html

The whole thing is really powerful but this portion I found to be especially succinct and makes a point that I see no one saying elsewhere.

". . ."change for the better"
Inspiration breeds change...

"Positive change"...

no one on this planet is truly experienced to handle the obstacles we face today...
Terror, fear, lies, agendas, politics, money, all the above...
It's all scary...

Martin Luther King didn't have experience to lead...
Kennedy didn't have experience to lead...
Susan B. Anthony...
Nelson Mandela...
Rosa Parks...
Gandhi...
Anne Frank...
and everyone else who has had a hand in molding the freedoms we have and take for granted today...

no one truly has experience to deal with the world today...

they just need "desire, strength, courage ability, and passion" to change...
and to stand for something even when people say it's not possible...

America would not be here "today" if we didn't stand and fight for
change "yesterday"...
Everything we have as a "people" is because of the "people" who fought for
change...
and whoever is the President has to realize we have a lot of changing to do

I'm not trying to convince people to see things how i do...
I produced this song to share my new found inspiration and how I've been moved...
I hope this song will make you feel...
love...
and think...
and be inspired just like the speech inspired me...

that's all..."

http://www.dipdive.com/

[Coyote_Bandit]

13. Politics is a

team sport - and inherently practical.

I really wish our candidates and our superdelegates and our party leaders would all retreat together and work out a deal that they - and we - could be unified behind. I fear what will happen in November if that does not happen. I do not want to see someone win the battle and lose the war.

[mysticalchick]

17. Good point, Digit ...

... I've been thinking this myself. While I will vote for whomever the nominee is, he or she is going to have a BIG BIG mess to clean up. All the while fighting the Repuglicans who will continue to undermine what they are working to do. Is Obama up to the challenge? None of us knows but my hope is that he will be.

Someone upthread (I'm sorry, I don't remember who) made a wonderful comment about how we manifested George Bush and sad to say, this appears to be true. I suspect it's because we, as a nation and WE as a universe had/have HUGE lessons to learn and he and his cabal are our teachers. Because of them, I've gotten involved in the political process to help things turn around as have so many many others. We've come to see that we cannot take our freedom (if indeed any is truly left) for granted.

The best thing *I* can do is to send love and light and positive energy toward all our candidates and the political process and continue to work toward our highest good, getting the lessons given along the way.

[Cleita]

18. I would have loved to see either Edwards or Kucinich or both

of them together tackle this mess, but it seems like it's not to be. I believe Hillary is smart enough and capable enough to do it, but will she? It seems she has a lot of markers to pay back to special interests that are in direct conflict with meaningful reform.

First we need to get out of this war. It's doable. We need a Marshall Plan like in WWII to rebuild Iraq. While we withdraw our troops, NATO or the UN will replace them with peacekeeping troops while the plan is being implemented to help the Iraqis rebuild their infrastructure and form a government that they want not the present puppet government that we we want.

Next we need another war on poverty. We need to bring back all the social programs and laws that were made null and void during the Reagan years that busted unions, lowered worker protections and didn't give the poor and near poor the safety nets they need for survival. I believe we need a job program like the Civilian Conservation Corp that Roosevelt was able to put Americans back to work in after the Great Depression.

We need meaningful single payer universal health care. Extending Medicare for all under H. R. 676 already in Congress would do this. Hillary needs to get behind this act and make it law.

Of course she will have to raise taxes by lifting the caps on FICA so that the wealthy pay their fair share. The revenue would secure Social Security and put money into the health plan. We need to bring back progressive taxation to pay for the social programs, to repair Iraq and to pay down the national debt.

She needs to deal with the Mexican government directly to end the so-called immigration problem and to come up with a solution that benefits both countries instead of stupid things like building walls and other solutions proposed that are based in racism and frankly put the blame on the societal victims, the undocumented workers.

Lastly, she needs to indict the last administraton for War Crimes, treason and other crimes if we are ever to heal as a nation.

Well, that's what needs to be done and my gut feeling is that pigs will fly first.

[Fire Walk With Me]

22. "Next we need another war on poverty."

I've become so inured to their lies and the resulting context shift that your statement has struck me back to reality.

How incredibly telling that they do not do this, and that it would not cross their minds to do this (except as mockery, such as "no child left behind").

My I quote you on this and start a thread in GD?

[Cleita]

25. Sure Peake. Go ahead. I'm too weary anymore as I have done

threads on this before but we can never say this too often I believe.

[liberalnurse]

21. Obama is not up to the task.

If he had undying support, truth, honesty and integrity by every politically connected individual in D.C he could do it....That is the fantasy of course. The Beltway D.C power brokers will shut down anything he initiates since he will still be in training. The D.C power has been in hyper-morph growth since *bush/cheney rule has been in town.


The super delegates will all go to Hillary....except Kucinich. They can not tolerate being in the lower tier or basement any longer.....Need a knowledgeable, savvy and seasoned Democrat to bring back the power. Not a new guy who can talk the talk and means it....but other, uncontrollable variables of deep seeded power like the Illuminati type lurk in Washington D.C.


Oh, he will be the VP. Big Dog he will have a major assignment. He will take the Young Prince and groom him for the crown in 8 years. Teach him all the skills of a President, connections, etc.

[DemExpat]

27. This is the best scenario I can envision.

groom Obama to reign in 8 years for 8 years after Hillary cleans up after Bush.

:-)

DemEx

[Blue_Roses]

26. this belongs in General Discussion

I'm sorry, but this is a place I come to for peace and positive vibes. Not more of the same in GD or GD:Primaries.

[DemExpat]

28. But here we can discuss our ideas, preferences and feelings without all of the nastiness...

in GDP!

:-)

DemEx

[davsand]

29. Dem, have you looked at the number of threads where people are trashing Obama?

Seriously. I am getting to the point where I don't want to even LOOK in here because I am so freaking FED up with reading crap about Obama.

Here's the deal, I personally think that Hil is a person that I would not choose to spend time with on a personal level. I didn't like her as a First Lady and I have zero freaking interest in seeing her and her slutty husband back in the WhiteHouse for Monica part deux. I feel she singlehandedly set the issue of Universal Health Care back by decades, and I have hope that I might live to see the day when people are not dying from lack of coverage.

I live in Illinois, I worked for Obama in his Senate primary and I will tell you that, in my opinion, (as an old political fart) he is the real deal. I liked Edwards. I really did. I liked Kucinich. He's a good man. I had no real beefs with most of the candidates, except for the fact that I passionately believe that Obama can lead our country toward unity in a time when we seriously need to fix what is broken. If our country is ever gonna heal the hurts suffered in the last decade, we have GOT to work together to do it. Much as I liked John and Dennis, they are not in the race any more...

Obama is not some self proclaimed divine leader. This is a guy who has done the same community organizing that I have. This is a man that served in the Illinois Senate when it was dominated and controlled by the GOP, and he delivered health care coverage for kids in the form of the Kid Care program. This is the man that reformed Illinois law to require videos of confessions because police had a habit of beating confessions out of people. This is the guy that worked South Side Chicago AFTER making Harvard Law Review.

Is it impossible for the people in THIS ONE forum to just stop with the Obama bashing while in here? Can't we just have ONE place that rises above it?

In sorrow.


Laura

[Why Syzygy]

30. Laura ..

I loved reading your thoughts. Thank you so much for posting them. I would not have wanted to miss your post. We really have a balance of opinions here. Yours is an important part of that.

[DemExpat]

31. Down here I see the reservations and fears about candidates, Laura,

and see no bashing of members here for feeling the way they do. It is fascinating - the differences in how we perceive people - I also judge people in how I feel I would enjoy being in their presence over dinner.
We just have different preferences, and judgements of past policies, present plans and future possiblities. It seems that we are inspired by different things - all of us!

I am sorry you feel so upset seeing candidate preferences and speculations voiced down here - I think that if I felt this way I would immediately put those threads into the "hidden" position.
Hopefully this period will be a short one, and then we can all be on the "same side" once again on this race to the White House.

:hug:

DemEx

[Celebration]

32. you aren't alone

Well, my objections to Hillary are not so strong, and my support for Obama is not that strong. However, I do support Obama. I am trying to figure out why some people here get a strange feeling about him. He does sound a little bit like a black preacher when he gives speeches, or a little bit like an evangelist, I guess. I am so used to black preachers, and have known some, that this is just fine with me. It is totally a matter of style. Honestly, this is not scary at all. But I sort of understand if people are not used to it.

Unfortunately, a lot of people I know that are enthusiastic for Obama refuse to vote for Hillary and will vote for McCain. Obviously, this is not me! But I do kind of worry that Clinton might have a more difficult time winning. I am not sure what the polls say but that is sure the anecdotal experience I have. People I know don't like the way Bill has campaigned for one thing.

Both of them are a little too normal for me. They seem a little bit too much like business as usual. But my biggest issue in the campaign is open government--not Iraq, not health care, not the economy. Hillary would probably be worse on this issue than any of the candidates, even the Republicans. I really don't believe her when she says she wants open government. There are too many damning things in her past and in her husband's presidency.

And, yes, I read energy from a distance, and I am confident in it, and the energy around Obama is more free flowing. I'm not basing my vote on that, but it is an added plus.

I don't think we can help but have political discussion here, but you won't find me starting any threads here for sure.

[Matariki]

34. I would hope that not trashing the candidates applies to BOTH candidates

and their spouses.

[davsand]

35. I'd rather not see anybody "trashed" in here. That is exactly my point.

My "opinions" offend some in here, and I posted last night with that awareness--HOPING at least one person in here would point out that what I said made them feel uncomfortable.

I stand down most times. I don't HAVE to, but I choose to do it to preserve the sense of community here. Is it unreasonable to ask that others consider showing a similar level of restraint for the sake of the forum? Maybe so--I dunno. I do think it bears discussion, however.


Regards!


Laura

[Celebration]

36. I figured it out!

It was like..........see how it feels.

I try not to take people's opinions about my favorite candidate too personally. And I would hope that others would do the same about my opinions.

But I can understand how some said "ouch" at your post.

Some people don't like it when I say that Hillary Clinton's fourth chakra is blocked. But that is very much within the subject matter of this group. Plus I consider it factual information. And if she is going to be POTUS, I would like to see her fix that. I keep checking it every few days, too.

[saracat]

39. Laura, I appreciate your thoughts but this forum especially is based on feelings we get

intuitively about candidates. I can honestly say I do not really care for either of the two leftovers but I get, intuitively a very strong bad feeling about Obama. {perhaps it has partly been engendered by the nastiness of his followers but the Hillary people were pretty nasty in the beginning as well, so that cannot be it entirely. The feeling has grown and grown with me to such an extent that I cannot consider voting for him in the GE and I do not want to remain in a nation that would elect him. I do not say this to be offensive , just to share what , intuitively I feel. I have never felt this way about a candidate in my lifetime.

I do not say this to be partisan but to share a "feeling". And i feel something is coming with Obama and it is not good.I may not be enirely right in this but when I have as "intense a feeling as this, I have learned not to ignore it.

[DemExpat]

40. I keep listening to his speeches to see if I get a different intuitive feeling

from, or about him, but each time only confirms my aversion to him.

I will keep my mind open to the possibility that my feelings this time are based on other input and issues, but I have learned to listen to my feelings on people as they are in the vast majority of cases my trustworthy compass.

DemEx

[starchimes]

43. I'm glad I am not the only one. I can't pinpoint it, but I just can't get

behind him. My intuition is saying no.

[DemExpat]

44. I checked out your glassart website, starchimes.

Very cool!

:thumbsup:

DemEx

[starchimes]

45. Thanks!!!!

[Coyote_Bandit]

51. Hey

welcome to DU. I also do glass work and am active in my local guild.

[Coyote_Bandit]

33. Ummmmm

I beg to differ.

For the most part the commentary here regarding candidates is not issue based. Instead it is based on our impressions, our intuitions and the various practices we use to guide our spiritual practice. That kind of commentary is ridiculed in GD and this forum is a safe haven for that kind of expression. I value that expression - even when its substance differs from my own impression, intuitions, and practices. I am not obligated to take that which does not resonate with me. And I find it a bit unrealistic to think that I will not encounter something offensive or disagreeable in a public forum. Such is human nature.

I do think that the nature of this primary season has become such that the party would be well advised to broker a deal among its candidates and leaders regarding the nomination. There is no obligation that the nomination process be democratic. The party and its candidate will require resources and unity to prevail in the November election. The more contentious this nomination process becomes the more difficult it will be to become unified in the general election. And, obviously, financial resources that are expended now to secure a nomination will not be available to secure a November victory. There is a long history of brokered conventions and their associated deal making. Nothing wrong with that. The nature of politics is such that it is inherently practical. IMHO, if the Dems lose in November it will be because of their own actions and choices.

FWIW, neither Hillary or Obama are my preferred candidate - but I will vote for whoever gets the nomination.

[eilen]

37. I confess to having some consternation about Hillary Clinton

I used to really admire her for her accomplishments when she was campaigning with her husband back in the 90's but I have misgivings and have lost trust due to the lack of transparency in the Clinton White House (on multiple issues) and even in regards to her fundraising in the present campaign. I don't believe her when she says she will have an open White House. I live in upstate NY and she has not made good on one of her campaign promises. I don't understand why she was so overwhelmingly re-elected except that her party endorsed her almost automatically so there was not actual democrat challenger and there were no worthy opponents, at least ones that had the same celebrity status she enjoys. I don't really know Obama but remember his speech that brought him to a nationwide spotlight and at the time thought him as an inspiring man, one that had vision.

So anyway, I was in a bit of frustration thinking about how I would not be meeting the election with a hopeful heart at all if Hilary was the nominee, but would be facing the polls with resignation and then getting ready for the crapstorm that would accompany the beginning of her "rule". I was driving down the highway (this was the Sunday before Super Tuesday) and I had a message that was basically "Hillary Clinton will not win." I don't know if it was one of my guides hoping to relieve me of unnecessary monkey mind antics as I have been in a period of personal and spiritual growth--perhaps he does not want me so distracted!).

I don't know if that means Obama will or McCain. I had the same kind of message when her husband was running and the whole Gennifer Flowers scandal broke. I was thinking to myself that it was a shame that such self-destructive behavior could be such a career killer--why people have a need to self sabotage themselves etc. when I had a very similar message that said "President Clinton". At the time I really did not take it seriously because Hart had just been disqualified for the model on the yacht sitting in his lap. At that time it was pretty much assumed that public evidence of cheating on your wife meant the end of your campaign (in this respect, he really lowered the bar).


My feeling is that McCain will not be elected because we are entering a time of change and he represents the old ways. So there really is no need to get emotional and balliwacked during the selection process. Just keep doing what we are doing and amplify our vibrations as well as we can and manifest the positive world we want to live in.

[Blue_Roses]

38. Differ we may, but

as long as the ideas are based on "intuitions and the various practices we use to guide our spiritual practice," as you say, I'm fine with it. However, when some just use their "intuition" for a disruptive motive beyond "discussing" then I think it's time to head to GD: Primaries.

I'm pretty intuitive myself and for the most part, I see most everyone wanting to have rational debate, however, I do sense a couple who have other motives.

[Silver Gaia]

41. I agree with this, Coyote_Bandit, and with others here who have expressed

similar sentiments (such as DemExpat, saracat, and others). It is important to me to be able to come here to read what people are seeing/sensing/intuiting about the candidates in ways that cannot be discussed in GDP without being ridiculed to the point that serious discussion can't even take place. I don't mind, either, if some of this discussion is issue-based in some ways as well. That's a part of the whole, as I see it. I've only been reading here, rather than posting, for the past couple of weeks--not posting much of anywhere really--but I don't recall seeing anything I would really classify as bashing--certainly not on the scale we are seeing in other areas of the forum. Nor do I see the childish, name-calling behavior that has become so prevalent in other areas. There will be both positive and negative things said about each of the candidates, I am sure, but I am able to sort out what resonates with me and what doesn't, and from what I've seen, people here are being civil and respectful of each other. FWIW, I think it's important that there be a place where we can feel comfortable to discuss the political process in terms of spirit. I want--and yes, in fact, NEED--to KNOW what others are seeing and feeling in the realms of spirit regarding these candidates. This is a big part of what guides my own decisions in all parts of my life, and this has always been a part of the political process for me on a personal level. To be able to read what others are thinking in regard to this, and to share my own thoughts freely should I choose to do so, feels important to me as a part of the process. I can understand that there are those who do not wish to see it or read it, but there are those of us who need this as well. This place IS a safe haven. Hopefully, a balance can be achieved in a way that meets the needs of all of us who come here for sanctuary.

[mrgorth]

42. Wrong forum.

.

[Digit]

46. No problem

[Bluestar]

47. I have a lot of reservations about Obama and I have been going

through a lot of up and down emotions about it for the past two weeks or so. One thought is that, wow, wouldn't it be wonderful if an African American really is elected--it would mean that we have come so far and, like Oprah says, the world would immediately view us differently. Then the thought occurs to me that all those men voted for Barack because Hillary reminds them of their mother/nagging wife and I think that misogyny may be an insurmountable issue in this country and I am depressed.

I have tried to warm to him as things are starting to look pretty bleak for Hillary and I want to join the wave, I want to be inspired, I want to have hope. But, try as I might, I can't conjure up this feeling. All I get from him when I sense him on a metaphysical level is that he won't deliver and the word "disappointment" comes up for me. I see him in the White House and the American people are waiting for this big change, but he is cozying up to Republicans and not standing up for the things that Democrats have traditionally stood for. I can't shake this feeling, and believe me, I have tried.

When I sense Obama, his energy is strong, but very thin. It doesn't reach all the way down into the earth. When I sense Hillary, she is also very strong, but there is a big swoosh of energy that travels down to the earth and back up again. My guides say that swoosh is her connection to the people. This is against the conventional wisdom, that Obama inspires and Hillary doesn't. So, I wish I knew what to make of this.

Hillary has issues and gives me pause. I believe that she has done some of the politically expedient things she has done because she believes that she must in order to be taken seriously (i.e. war votes and giving in to corporations), mostly because she is a woman. I am willing to forgive her that because I believe at her core she believes in Democratic principles and that she will stand up for core issues like a woman's right to choose, the Constitution and get us out of Iraq. Right now I don't feel that way about Obama.

[Why Syzygy]

50. I've been thinking a lot about the posters in this thread

who express bad vibes about him. That does concern me. I have those bad vibes about Hillary, and have for some time. I think either a woman or man of color is a victory for human rights in our country.

I don't believe the misogyny is insurmountable. It's there, that's for sure. I feel we may live in an age when women are still too insecure. Just as you note her expediencies may be so that she will be taken seriously, that's an insecure stance. (I wonder if that's why she was on the board of WalMart. I wonder if that's why she voted IWR. etc.) Someone coming from a position of strength doesn't have to bend too far.

I've had to come to terms with the fact that many of the women I have dealt with, especially in work situations, are not trustworthy. That isn't misogyny, that's a back with open wounds. My mother was always competitive, something very destructive to a relationship. When I reached adulthood, I had to learn to deal with women figures in my life in completely new ways. I was close to my dad and I much preferred talking to men. My ex-bf is a man who enjoys talking to women because he's interested in what we talk about. So, it looks like personal preference. Hillary taking it even a teeny little bit dirty plays into this stereotype of women who can't be trusted and are just waiting to stab you in the back. I'm not judging that. Who is to blame? Femaleness is still so misunderstood. I think we are just beginning to learn what it really means.

And there's another name that is at the front of people's minds. Pelosi. What a disappointment she is. She had a loyal, supportive fan base. She completely blew it. Just as surely as some of you feel pending doom about Obama, I feel that if Hillary is elected, it will be a disaster. I desperately hope I am wrong.

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49. I think the only ones who can

handle the mess have been disregarded by the parties, that is, General Clark and Senator Biden. Bad news here, I fear.