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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:25 PM
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Wow! Did anyone at all predict Heath Leger?
I don't feel this was drug overdose.I just don't believe it.The police are now saying the scattered pills were OC sleep aids. Maybe he had an underlying medical condition.He seemed really healthy!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:32 PM
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1. I didn't see it coming, but have felt like crap for the last 24 hours. Throat chakra feels blocked.
I was starting to wonder if I was just reacting badly to the climate on the Internets re: the Dem primaries.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:47 PM
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2. Totally blindsided me, that's for sure
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 07:47 PM by MorningGlow
Does anyone get the impression that he may have been depressed over breaking up with his girlfriend?

On edit: Not implying he committed suicide, though. Sometimes when self-medicating, accidents happen.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:54 PM
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3. I'm just trying to figure out how everyone but me knows who he is...
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 07:54 PM by kineta
:shrug:

gotta watch more tv i guess... or spend more time scanning those magazines at the supermarket checkout?
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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:45 PM
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8. I don't know who he is either
I don't have a tv or go to the movies. Guess that leaves us out of some topics.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:47 PM
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9. You never saw "Brokeback Mountain"?
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:18 PM
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19. Not yet.
it's on my list. Did you like it?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:06 AM
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13. I don't either ..
but since he was in Brokeback Mountain, I guess he became well known. I never saw the movie.
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Callie McAllie Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:49 AM
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16. That movie was so very moving
I always knew Heath Ledger was good looking, but I had no idea he could really act until I saw him in that movie. He was phenomenal!!! Also check him out in 10 things I Hate About You (a modern day Taming of the Shrew) or The Patriot (Mel Gibson Revolutionary war pic).

I was totally shocked and saddened by his death.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:09 PM
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4. I really think it was an accidental OD or the pills plus the pneumonia.
He had an appointment that afternoon which is not suggestive of a suicide. He'd been taking sleeping pills because of some previous roles he'd just completed and had commented that they don't work well for him (something about one time taking two and yet sleeping only one hour) - that makes me think he may have accidently taken too many in hopes it would work better. Or, perhaps he was a little out of it and didn't remember how long ago or how many he'd taken. Plus, he was sick with pneumonia - there may have been a bad combination of pills (like Anna Nicole) or that may have added to his haziness when taking the pills. I just don't feel at all it was a suicide - just a very unfortunate accident. My heart goes out to his family and friends and his little girl.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:44 PM
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5. Yeah, the first impression I got when I read the news
was that he was PISSED OFF to find himself on the Other Side. I mean in those first few moments when he found himself there, he was shocked and annoyed that he screwed up and was "gone". I felt really bad for him--I don't think he meant to do it at all.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:57 PM
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6. I wonder if he didn't take his pneumonia seriously thinking he is young, healthy
and took some medication that didn't agree or were too much for his weakened lung capacity. I wonder if there was more fluid in his lungs and because of the sleeping tablets he didn't wake up.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:59 PM
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7. Could be
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 09:59 PM by MorningGlow
I read in the LBN thread about it that someone saw him in NYC when they were filming the next Batman movie and said he didn't look well at all. Other posts in the thread commented about the news that was leaking out that he was spending a lot of time going into "dark places" (psychologically) for his very dark portrayal of the Joker.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:52 PM
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10. I'd also read that the Dylan movie was very hard on him.
Two very psychologically challenging roles one after the other could certainly take a toll on someone's health and stress level.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:53 PM
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11. Yeah - I think there's a lot of regret and "oh my gosh, what did I do?!" going on.
I feel very bad for him.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:54 PM
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12. What I "get" about the "causes" and possible "fall out":
He was struggling with some kind of mania. Also struggling with a lot of emotional problems; he had a very sensitive nature and it was difficult for him to be a performer. He also had very high standards for himself. All of this was being exacerbated by OTC and Rx drug use. Curiously, I didn't pick up on major "addict" vibes, just a lot of unsafe behavior.

I'm also getting that his death may be hooked into a big Congressional effort to get some kind of comprehensive mental health coverage available to US citizens.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:10 AM
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14. There is evidence that
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 08:11 AM by votesomemore
he WAS stressed out. He had an appointment with a massage therapist and evidently was taking pills to relax for that. That seems like a bit of desperation because massages are usually very relaxing.

ps. I'm agreeing with you. Except I don't know anything about the Congress link.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:40 AM
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15. I keep getting something like
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 08:43 AM by WolverineDG
"Damn, that wasn't supposed to happen."

Couple that with the reports that he had pneumonia & was having trouble sleeping, I think it was accidental.

FWIW, I once went to a masseuse whose main clientele were insominia patients. Many times, the only sleep they got was while they were on her table. So that + the sleeping pills makes me inclined to think he was just trying to get some sleep. Poor guy.

dg
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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:14 PM
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17. I didn't predict it, but I have read this great man's aura for a major paper
Saracat, his death would have been sad news even if all of us
had predicted it. In tribute, I have just posted this profile
of him on my blog, and I will put it below. It's my way to pay
respects.

Some actors are enormously evolved, spiritually. We watch them
and enjoy their auric modeling. (That means the way people
receive a contact high from another person's aura.)

Heath Ledger was that kind of actor. He was also one of the
very gifted ones who would take a role, acting all the way
down into changes to his aura.

I'm now starting to prepare my annual readings for Academy
Award nominees. This became a tradition after I did an
in-depth article for the Chicago Sun-Times in 2006. It's
fascinating to do comparison readings of nominees for Best
Actor. I find a photo of each nominee when being
"normal" and compare it to that nominee when in
role.


Below is an interview from the Chicago Sun-Times, published
almost exactly a year ago, where I read him after his huge
success with "Brokeback Mountain." Paige Wiser was
the reporter, one of my favorites I've ever worked with. Click
here to download other features that I have done with Paige.
(Yes, you do have to pay a nominal fee.) 

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We have collaborated on dozens of articles, probably the first
in-depth aura readings and face readings in any major American
newspaper.

This year's readings will be in the February issue of my
monthly zine, "Reading Life Deeper." You can sign up
for your free subscription at this link.  

Only an extraordinary actor can change so much for a role that
even one chakra is altered. Health was able to change them
all.

Power Source: Leading men Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger
have drive, presence written all over their faces

In “Brokeback Mountain,” Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger play
star-crossed lovers. Critics say their connection is palpable;
so does Rose Rosetree, who sees similarities in the actors’
auras, and in their facial features. 

We talked to Rosetree, author of “Aura Reading Through All
Your Senses,” to see what gives these cowboys their chemistry.
 

GYLLENHAAL’S AURA   “When you look at his root chakra, the
overall vibe of who he is, he’s got a sensitive presence more
than a large presence,” Rosetree says. There’s something
interesting in his sex chakra. “He’s got huge sex appeal, and
it’s very, very female.”   

That’s not to say he’s bisexual; everyone has male and female
qualities that lay somewhere in the sexuality continuum,
Rosetree explains. “He’s got a deceptive outer softness, with
rage and strength beneath.” When he’s challenged, his power
grows even stronger.  

Gyllenhaal’s aura also reveals he’s “empowered by empathy,”
Rosetree says. It’s a gift, but it’s not fully developed yet. 


“He’s got huge, brittle walls around his heart chakra,” she
says. “When people put up walls, it’s an attempt not to take
on other people’s pain. Walls never work and just make a
person limited in some way.”  Could it be a reaction to his
off-and-on relationship with Kirsten Dunst?  

His throat chakra shows he has a talent as a communicator. He
can project images of himself like nobody’s business, but
personally, Gyllenhaal’s in hiding. Rosetree cuts him some
slack here. 

“He’s still a young thing,” she says. “He doesn’t know a lot
yet about who he is.”  Go back and watch “Donnie Darko,” says
Rosetree, to see his aura in action. “You can see him project
his feminine energy, wrapped in male bluster.” 

LEDGER’S AURA  

“At Heath’s root chakra is a masculine projection with a
feminine tinge,” she says. “It’s clear to me from his root
chakra, and the sex databank at his second chakra, that he’s
done a lot of personal healing regarding his sexuality.”  

There’s “scar tissue” there, she says.  He’s not only healed
from his high-profile relationships with Heather Graham and
Naomi Watts, but learned from them.  

At his second chakra, there’s a huge projection — just like
Gyllenhaal’s, Rosetree says. “He has bluster on the outside
and vulnerability on the inside.” He also has a talent for
helping people find steadiness.  

“Then we amble over to his heart chakra,” Rosetree says. “He
has worked really hard to seem emotionally tough. I’d say, at
this point in his development, he is a portrayer of feelings
rather than an explorer of his own feelings.”  

She stumbled onto something interesting at his throat chakra:
a vortex configuration. “He pulls people into his silence,”
Rosetree says. “Marlon Brando had something similar. Brando
had, deep within his vortex, an explosive rage. What Heath has
instead is tremendous sweetness.” 

THEIR FACES   

Gyllenhaal and Ledger have many features in common. For
instance, take a look at their chiseled upper lips and unusual
lip definition. 

“There’s skin around the lip that’s kind of a natural lip
liner,” Rosetree says. “This is about a gift for communicating
information about how people feel, including emotions,
including sexuality. It shows that they have very high
standards. The downside is that each can be his own harshest
critic.”   

The actors also have narrow jaws, which is out of the ordinary
for a leading man. “It’s about having sensitivity to
conflict,” Rosetree says.  

“They’re more aware than most people are when folks aren’t
getting along. They have a need to fix conflicts early or get
out of the relationship.  And then there are their low brows:
“Their eyebrows almost tumble into their eyes,” Rosetree says.
“That means that blurting things out is very important to
them. Spontaneous communication.”  

She also noticed the bottom eyelid of each actor is a straight
line. This indicates tremendous loyalty to proven friends, and
at the same time being very hard to get to know. Gyllenhaal
and Ledger are big believers in “stranger danger.”  

Lastly, their ears: Both men have out-angled ears. “Not as
much as Clark Gable’s, but in that direction,” Rosetree says.
“It means that they’re rebels in real life.”  And “reel” life.
Only rebels, of course, would star in “Brokeback Mountain” in
the first place. 

Intrigued by auras? Visit http://www.rose-rosetree.com. 
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:55 PM
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18. Welcome to DU Rose
and welcome to this forum. I read alot here, but don't post much. You're article was fascinating and I look forward to reading your link.

Also - for those who said I bet he was shocked to find himself "dead" - I just read the last book in the Conversations with God series - Home With God - which explains "death" - which was a totally fascinating read. Unbelievable - and it will blow your mind. According to this book - everyone gets a "choice" if they want to die or not - if they are done & ready to move on - they choose death - if not, they go back. So my thinking is - Heath was ready for a new adventure - or he had done what he needed to do here.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:22 PM
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20. What about
people who sincerely attempt suicide but fail? That doesn't seem like a choice. I haven't read the book. But my first reaction is there is a lot more involved in the process than one person's "choice".
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:25 AM
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23. Well, if you understand that
there really is no "time" (which is explained in the earlier Conversations with God books) - then the way I understand it to be is that a person attempted suicide - it could have worked (in which case their soul would choose death to this body) - or given the choice - do you REALLY want to die - are you REALLY done, did you do what you came here to do - and if that answer is "no" - then you are instantly back in your body.

I strongly suggest reading all the Conversation with God books - they are life changing and awe-inspiring.
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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:07 PM
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21. Thanks, TNOE
These are indeed Deep Topics. :-)

Would you be able to share what your name stands for?

Best to you,

Rose
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:06 PM
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22. That's interesting, TNOE
I've heard a different take--that "accidents can happen"--meaning unintentional early deaths that were not in the soul's lifeplan for that lifetime.

Ah well--I guess there's only one way to find out what really happens...but I'm not ready for that just yet! As far as I KNOW, that is...! :hi:
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:27 AM
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24. Hi
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 10:33 AM by TNOE
Yea, I'm certainly no expert!! What do I know. But really, if you get the chance - read these books. :hi: My father is very ill and I know I will be absolutely devestated when it is his time and I found this book very comforting. I would highly recommend it for anyone who is grieving.

Home With God - in a life that never ends.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:45 PM
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25. Heath had quite a few planets in Pisces, extremely sensitive
and vulnerable...it's what made his characters so believable.
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