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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:27 PM
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We're starting from scratch....
or at least we have the potential to, as I see it -- as I feel it.

Recently I haven't had much interest in reading others' writings, or listening to "leaders," "experts" and "coaches" speak. I feel that I should, and so I put it on my to-do list, but I never follow through.

No interest.

I just realized it's because I have zero interest interest in the past being rehashed -- my own, this country's or Humanity's -- or being led by another, no matter how delightfully it's packaged.

MG's comment here triggered this thought process: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=132275&mesg_id=132421

On one hand I say it's good to know history, so we don't repeat the same mistakes, but in my heart I'm no longer feeling that. Not really.

We need to Be in this moment right now, and create FROM THIS MOMENT FORWARD and not fall into the past any longer. It no longer serves any purpose.

We can create completely anew, personally and collectively. In fact, I believe wholeheartedly that is what many of us (if not all) are being called upon to do.

When I've written repeatedly that I believe we must think outside the box, I think what I've really been saying is that we need to create as though THE BOX NO LONGER EXISTS.

Complete creative freedom. The only parameters are creating that which is in alignment with Love.

It takes a huge leap of faith to create from scratch; it may get messy.

We have the opportunity to create this human experience anew.

A huge evolutionary leap of consciousness.

I'm diving in and embracing it to the best of my ability.

:hi:

Viva la (r)evolution!!!

:grouphug:



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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:49 PM
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1. The rules no longer apply, eh?
Totally agree, OGR. We should know the past, but not try to apply it to the present or future (in a recreating sense). Can't do it. We are in the Totally New. :hug: :hi:
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 03:20 PM
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6. "We should know the past, but not try to apply it to the present or future...
(in a recreating sense)."

Well said, MG! :hug:

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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:58 PM
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2. "Viva las Evolution!" I like!
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 01:59 PM by FirstLight
now more than ever, i have to mobilize my tribe to create out little gardening project, now more than ever i have to teach my kids some real earth knowledge so they can live in HARMONY with Her...and now more than ever, i need to remember to cultivate my relationships and hone my skills of intuition & healing...it's necessary.

no more going back...unless it is back to the ways of living on the land and working in community. that's my motto now.

we are getting ready for our change...can you feel it? I think the US may start off with some 'big bangs' or torches & pitchforks, but eventually the peaceful resistance will be the most productive...and show others the way

been waiting for the other shoe to drop for some time now...
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 03:21 PM
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7. I love your motto....
:hug:

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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:05 PM
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3. I completely agree, OGR.
In reference to "Recently I haven't had much interest in reading others' writings, or listening to "leaders," "experts" and "coaches" speak. I feel that I should, and so I put it on my to-do list, but I never follow through.", I feel exactly the same way.

I will dive with you. :loveya:

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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 03:06 PM
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5. I agree with you wholeheartedly
Learn from your great heart. :hug:
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 03:21 PM
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9. ...
:loveya:

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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 03:21 PM
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8. ...
:loveya:

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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:12 PM
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4. "THE BOX NO LONGER EXISTS!" I like that. May I borrow it?
And you're right, too, about following other "experts." I don't know how many books I've bought and never read, because I wanted to do it my way.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 03:21 PM
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10. But of course!
:hi:

:hug:

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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 04:08 PM
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11. you know what that reminds me of?
"There is no spoon"

:D
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 04:30 PM
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12. LOLOL that was my first thought too, twin! n/t
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 06:12 PM
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13. OMG, I had NO idea what you guys were talking about....
:rofl:

until I Googled.

:thumbsup:

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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:23 PM
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24. No spoon, no cup.
There is no cup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2ESPnSscQ8&NR=1

I loved this comment:

“Spoons, cups.... all life lessons are taught with things you can find in your kitchen.”
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PhillyGurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:59 AM
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14. Yup, zero interest in rehashing
much of anything of the past. Let it all go, swirl down the drain. We have today and tomorrow, that's all - memories, esp. unpleasant ones are like an iron clamp on us, a ball and chain that we drag around. Time to cut it loose.

OGR, I SO agree with your post. I feel the same way.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:25 PM
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15. And we must add new ingredients


I have posted in this forum and check in here often. Though I don't always post due to dial-up issues, and because I have found some here ignore my posts for whatever reason, (no hard feelings, just why bother?) I always send positive energy and thoughts to those who need them (throughout DU) just silently and privately these days.

Have you noticed with some women you know, that they are always looking for some male "authority" to define the world for them? To validate who they are and where they "stand" as women? It is time for women to accept and step into their own authority - not to demean or demonize men - but to stand beside them and fix what's wrong.

Yet I refuse to turn my head away from bullies or cruel people. To increase my comfort level by remaining silent when i see wrongdoing. Sure, dwelling on the past is counterproductive, but refusing to hold people accountable for their past wrongdoing is also counterproductive. We must learn from the past without feeling constrained by it. We must expose past wrongdoing so that the "bad guys" are not allowed to continue. it is a fine line, but one that can be measured with courage and prioritizing and conviction.



I am in a very unique place right now with time to create and meditate and I see female energy and wisdom and compassion as the answer to our problems, so i suppose I am encouraging all women to sieze the power they have always had...

Now I'm going outside to shovel more horse poo for the garden while it's not frozen! You see, I am moving the muck of the past so i can grow the future....

Probably won't post here again, but I wish all in this group- every single one of you - the best of life in this coming year.

T

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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:40 PM
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17. I'm sorry you don't want to post here anymore, Tsiyu
I don't think anybody's ignoring you on purpose. It has been rather slow in here since the holidays--perhaps that has something to do with it? Anyway, hope you will consider sticking around and sharing your insights, as we value everyone's thoughts and opinions! :hug:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:57 PM
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19. Uh Oh


I tried to say that gently but I hope I have not hurt anyone's feelings about this group...

I joined DU to vent at first with like- minded liberals and I am sure some of my posts have rubbed some the wrong way so i always blame it on that. But while out pitching poo (gawd i was worn out after a half hour) I was thinking that this group is based on trust, and sometimes you have to be a presence to build that trust, so I am not trying to get anyone to feel bad just felt like I didn't contribute much that anyone trusted yet.

My friends will all tell you I am the worst person when it comes to answering the phone. I am a hermit by nature, and it isn't that I am unfriendly, just that I hate to gab on the phone for hours when I am alone here running this little farm "sech as it is." My friends constantly tease me about it, except the few friends i speak with regularly. When I get out with them I am lively and (I hope) fun, but I ignore the phone when it rings most of the time....


:hug: back atcha. Your posts always make me smile MG for your honesty and cheerfulness....
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:05 PM
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21. Aw, not at all
:)

I think, in general, ASAHers worry about hurting others' feelings if we don't respond more than being miffed ourselves.

I also don't think we're very skittish when it comes to newcomers--not like some other boards I've been on, anyway. Even though we've been burned once or twice in the past, for the most part people who contribute here are sincere. So please stay! :hi:
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:49 PM
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18. I hope you change your mind
Usually, I just read through and only post when something really stirs me. So what I write seems very profound to me, but then nobody responds to it either. So yes, I understand what you're saying. But as MG said, it is never done intentionally. I know I read all the posts in threads that interest me. Sometimes, I just jump in somewhere to throw my 2 cents worth in, but it's in response to the conversation as a whole. This really is an incredible group. I've learned so much over the years from them. I hope you stay around. You'd fit right in. :hug:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:01 PM
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20. Now lookie!


Two responses :bounce:

Thank you for your encouragement. I attributed the silence to my own online personality, not any coldness here. This is a great group, probably the nicest, most helpful, warmest group on DU.

Your post proves it.

:hug:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:12 PM
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22. You are definitely valued here, Tsiyu.
I hope that you'll reconsider. I haven't been posting often lately, but I do read, and I do appreciate what you post.

There are men who post here who truly value feminine energy. I know that ricochet21 does. (I know because he's my astrology teacher in the physical world.) He has often said that it is women who will be instrumental in making the changes that are required for the world to change in a positive way. My husband, who posts here sometimes, works directly with Goddess energy, and greatly respects the Divine Feminine. There are other men here who do as well.

:hug:

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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 02:13 AM
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25. Oh you alway respond to my posts. Dear IHAD
and i always read yours!

I agree that there are men who value the feminine. They have been instrumental (to be punny) in encouraging my music.

Last week, i was telling a male friend (and my former drummer) that i was being bugged by the kids to finally record some originals before I totally lose my voice. I was asking him if he'd like to drum on a few of the tracks. (He has always been a huge supporter of mine, even told me once "I never realized what assholes some men could be to women musicians until I started working with you. I finally understand what you mean about these jerks!")

In answer last week to my request, he said, "sure. You know i've kept all the tapes of all the bands I've been in. Most every singer but you and "bob" sound off key, and nothing like what they do live. But you're always right on the money." I didn't need to hear it, but he is usually a caustic smartass, so I really appreciated it at that moment.

And last year, when i was working at a retreat center, during a fundraiser the boyfriend of one of the musicians i know came up to me and told me it was a sin to waste the musical talent I'd been given. Why wasn't I playing? He wasn't being patronizing, just seemed surprised i was not jamming so much anymore.

So it's not that I think men have no encouragement to offer; I just think sometimes we females need to recognize our own strength without waiting for a male authority figure to accept it. It's hard to put into words, but I believe the patriarchal systems are the cause of most problems we have.

"When the Power of Love overcomes the Love of Power, then we will know peace."

I just want to encourage every female here to not wait for anyone - male or female - to tell them it's okay to step into their strength.


Thank you for your kind words, :hug:
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:13 AM
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27. Slight tangent..
" believe the patriarchal systems are the cause of most problems we have."
..which reminds me, yet again, of "The Chalice & The Blade", that I was required to read my first semester in college. In the end, she encourages us to work toward a partnership society, but yes..that was my education about how damaging the patriarchal systems have been to our overall human condition.

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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 01:28 AM
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30. male and female


are balance

male only or female only are lopsided and fall

I'll have to check out that reading, Thanks lildreamer316
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:54 AM
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34. Ooh good book
:thumbsup:
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:15 PM
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23. I would miss you very much
:(

I know I often post things -- in various places where I actually feel a sense of community -- to receive no response. Some days it's hard not to feel lost and invisible. I'm sorry if you ever felt that way here. I know here at ASAH it sure wasn't intentional; sometimes we just miss things. I miss a lot of things, no doubt.

:hug: :hug: :hug:

Yet I refuse to turn my head away from bullies or cruel people. To increase my comfort level by remaining silent when i see wrongdoing. Sure, dwelling on the past is counterproductive, but refusing to hold people accountable for their past wrongdoing is also counterproductive. We must learn from the past without feeling constrained by it. We must expose past wrongdoing so that the "bad guys" are not allowed to continue. it is a fine line, but one that can be measured with courage and prioritizing and conviction.


Geez Louise, that was so well said. I agree with this wholeheartedly, even if my posts don't indicate that I do. I tend to express a different aspect of the same general worldview, but I always resonate so strongly with what you share.

I respect what you choose to do, of course. I think we all realize we're cycling more and more these days as far as engaging online or IRL, then retreating and focusing on going within and taking care of ourselves and our families.

Please know you're loved.

:loveya:

:hug:



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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 02:30 AM
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26. You are one of my heroes OGR


I really, really mean that.

I promise I was not writing a "Goodbye Cruel ASAH Group!" post. i honestly felt the reason was me. And I was still gonna lurk!

After all, coming to ASAH from GD is like stepping from a rowdy, smoke-filled bar into this wonderful serene little cottage filled with candles and crystals and gentle friends.

So I felt perhaps people read my vents and rants (and i will probably still vent and rant... PTSD does it to some like me and i have finally accepted that about myself) in other areas and worried about my presence here.

I often think of you when I post. "if OGR reads this, is she going to think I am backsliding into negativity?" I swear i do that now, because of your influence. It has made me tone down many of my rants :P

And i can tell that you are having difficulty restraining yourself oftentimes but you always pull it off with grace and gentleness and reason. I admire that so much, as a PTSD-rattled old woman!

When I was small I was a tomboy and never wanted to be "girlie." As I've gotten older, I sometimes wish i could be more like women like you, full of grace and forgiving and able to express yourself without the "f bomb" I so frequently employ.

Anyhoo, work beckons in the am and I am already well past bedtime. But i saw these posts of yours and MG's and IHADS and wanted to say hi before i leave for the evening.

You've all helped me feel less self-conscious about posting here, so maybe I will still post after all...actually i'm doing that right now :hi:


Love to you and a wonderful, productive, happy, blessed week to every single poster and lurker in ASAH :)


:grouphug:
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 05:32 AM
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28. Oh dear, you have no idea....
I'll respond below. :)

After all, coming to ASAH from GD is like stepping from a rowdy, smoke-filled bar into this wonderful serene little cottage filled with candles and crystals and gentle friends.


So true. There really is an entirely different vibe; it's a sanctuary within chaos. :)


So I felt perhaps people read my vents and rants (and i will probably still vent and rant... PTSD does it to some like me and i have finally accepted that about myself) in other areas and worried about my presence here.

I often think of you when I post. "if OGR reads this, is she going to think I am backsliding into negativity?" I swear i do that now, because of your influence. It has made me tone down many of my rants :P

And i can tell that you are having difficulty restraining yourself oftentimes but you always pull it off with grace and gentleness and reason. I admire that so much, as a PTSD-rattled old woman!

When I was small I was a tomboy and never wanted to be "girlie." As I've gotten older, I sometimes wish i could be more like women like you, full of grace and forgiving and able to express yourself without the "f bomb" I so frequently employ.



Oh no..... :(

Actually, I'm really glad you've expressed this, because I worry about this myself...worry that I may influence people to not express/vent/rant out of a fear that they will seem "negative"; that they may fear being judged because of not shining sunshine out their asses. ;)

Gosh, I'm not sure how to say this (and I'm only on my first cup of coffee), but I actually exercise great restraint when interacting with others to NOT use the F-bomb (and myriad other lovely words in my repertoire.) It's not easy for me.

;)

I do vent here and there, expressing frustration, disgust and doubt. It's actually hard work on my part to NOT drown in negativity.

So, much of what I share is a reminder and a guide of sorts for myself more than anyone else. I so very much believe in the power of words that I struggle to stay focused on what I choose to create and, with the luxury of being able to think first before typing and choose my words more wisely, communicate in a way that is more in alignment with what I choose to create.

If you were sitting next to me throughout the day, you'd hear so much *&^%$@ you'd surely feel right at home! :)

I was never a tomboy; people always got the impression I was a girlie girl and I hated that just as much, so my potty mouth was a natural way to shatter the girlie girl myth. Now I tend to use profanity not so much with emotion, just as a funny release, for myself, throughout the day. ;)

But I honestly don't judge venting, ranting, etc. We NEED a safe place to do that, and ASAH is often that place for me!

What I AM judgmental about (and make no secret of it) is when people complain nonstop yet do nothing to change their situation. I'm really bad about that -- online and in the real world; I've always been that way. I have tremendous compassion but, after a while, when I see that someone is stuck in victim mode and is so absorbed in it that they don't make any attempt to shift things, I detach. That frustrates the living shit out of me and, for my own sanity, I detach and wish them well. Actually, I consider those types energy vampires.

You, my dear, are no energy vampire. ;)


You've all helped me feel less self-conscious about posting here, so maybe I will still post after all...actually i'm doing that right now :evilgrin:


I hope so. I would truly, truly miss you.

Everyone is welcome in this space. It's the most authentically loving community I belong to right now, without a doubt. I hope you never feel unwelcome or self-conscious in any way.

I hope no one does. I know many people lurk, which is cool. I just don't want anyone to think they need to write about unicorns and rainbows in order to "belong" or that they'll be judged if they don't. We may not all be completely open here, due to it being a public forum, but I believe what we do post is very honest. Venting, ranting, inspiring, questioning....all of it is honest and from the heart in that moment (always subject to change...lol).

:hug:

:loveya:

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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 02:44 AM
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31. Please post as you feel moved to
I often post something and perhaps there will be one solitary reply.

And sometimes I read something I agree with and I don't reply because I don't have time or because it is profound and there's nothing more to say. Perhaps we could just indicate a nod ~ like silent appreciation.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:36 PM
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16. I've been feeling the same way lately
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 02:38 PM by Proud_Lefty
When people talk on TV or write in their articles, with the exception of a very few, it doesn't sunk in anymore. I mentioned that in a reading I had recently and they said I can't pay attention because I'm ready to write and ready to talk. Several years ago, I started learning more about the PTB, the Illuminati, and how they have transformed our world into one of deceit and illusions. Those illusions are designed to continually increase their power and wealth over us, and leave us scare, weak, sick and poor. And they run the media which is the most effective tool for manipulating us. Everyday, I watch the effective means they use to keep us working our asses off, while never allowing us to really get ahead. Once you become aware of it, you realize it's the most incredible web they've made to control us and the crazy part is they make us believe at the very same time we are free. When you look at it, it doesn't look like we stand a chance of escaping this big ugly monster.

It's not a conspiracy theory. Proof of it is all around us if we only pay attention. I can't pay attention anymore, though, because it further empowers them. Since I've turned my back on it, and onto the powers that be on higher levels of consciousness, I found a much bigger, brighter reality that is waiting to break and shatter through this illusion we've been living in. It's slowly preparing us for this break through, and our marching orders have already started coming to us. It's here, it's now. The illusion can no longer retain our interest, because we're drawn to the truth and starting to realize our true reason for being here. Not to be slaves, but to show the way through this to all the ones sleeping in when the break through finally happens. And while that sounds wonderful and glorious, it'll take a lot of trials and tribulations of its own. Nonetheless, I can't wait. This illusion we're living in can't sustain itself any longer. Their game is definitely over, or almost over.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 07:47 AM
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32. Wow...
I found a much bigger, brighter reality that is waiting to break and shatter through this illusion we've been living in. It's slowly preparing us for this break through, and our marching orders have already started coming to us. It's here, it's now. The illusion can no longer retain our interest, because we're drawn to the truth and starting to realize our true reason for being here.


:applause:

:hug:

:hi:

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 02:25 PM
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29. WE are the leaders, experts, and coaches.
WE are the ones we have been waiting for.

:hi:

Some are discomfited by the open-ended nature of the Shift; "possibilities are endless, you can create anything..." WHAT do you want to create? Will it hurt? Is there a trick, or a trap??? What will happen if I am responsible for everything in my life?

Where to start in an infinity of possibility? Right where you are. What would you ADD to where you are? What would you like to be different? Take baby steps if uncertain. You can start the process of creating a better life through small steps, in identifying what you'd like to change for the better, and putting into it, time and energy. Will it be hard work? It is about willingness and excitement. The Shift itself will help bring you into a more positive place from which better ideas will come more and more easily.

If you are uptight, relax into the Shift. Our birthright is excitement, joy, inclusion, creativity...You can have it, it is yours, and it is wonderful.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 07:47 AM
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33. Ahhhh..................

:loveya:

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