2012 Burning Questions--post 'em here (inspired by SC's ascension thread)

[MorningGlow]

Welp, it looks like, after a bit of lying low, the issue of 2012 is back in the forefront of our consciousness--witness Karen Bishop's ending her missives, the 2012 poll thread, and SC's thread about ascension.

So, in light of 2012 being "back by popular demand" and my entirely selfish need to know what outstanding questions about the Shift remain in people's minds, let's talk about it here.

What confuses you the most about the whole 2012 thing? Post your questions and let's all take a shot at answering them, to dispel some of the most enduring mysteries. It'll help all of us, and it'll also give me some idea of what kinds of questions might come up next month when I speak on this topic.

Have at it!

[Desertrose]

1. David Wilcock has a 4pt Youtube on 2012 Event Horizon

If you have the time, certainly a fascinating watch.....
Lots of techie stuff for those so inclined...the most uplifting part for me was the last 15/20 minutes of pt4.:)


In this heavily-anticipated sequel to 2012 Enigma, David Wilcock presents a compelling case that the prophecies of a Golden Age are not myth or superstition."

Links to all sections plus new Youtube page.....

Section 1


Section 2


section 3


section 4


Official Divine Cosmos YouTube Channel



(Hope its ok to post this here....hope to have time to comment later...)

[MorningGlow]

2. Thanks, DR, but I'm all 2012-ed out

I read and watched SOOO much stuff when I wrote my article last summer (including this series), I'm still in burnout mode. But perhaps this will be of benefit to other folks.

What I'm asking now is for what burning questions remain to people like us, that perhaps we can address in this thread. :hi:

[Desertrose]

3. Sure...I can totally understand that.

:hug:

[SheilaT]

4. Could you summarize this?

I don't really want to spend four hours of my time watching this.

[Desertrose]

5. OK...I'll try....

First are my words:)

We are moving through an area of the galaxy that causes spontaneous shifts in our DNA and also planetary & solar system wide changes. We are "evolving" and/or "ascending". These physical changes will also bring about spiritual changes to us and the planet. This is a good thing...unsettling and scary as changes always are...we are thisclose to moving into the next phase of evolution and the 2012 timeline is trying to tell us that this shift is pretty much here. We are waking up and realizing we are not alone in the universe and never have been...connecting to Spirit/Higher Self/The Oneness/Creator/God is the only/best way to make it through these changes.


From the link to the article on his website....


David discusses the fact that our DNA has been evolving 100 times more rapidly in the last 5000 years due to a natural galactic process, and this galactic process is also what is creating climate change - not just on Earth but throughout our entire solar system. If all the prophecies are correct (ancient & recent), psychic abilities and powers such as telekinesis, levitation, spiritual healing and telepathy may soon become as common as breathing.

The Mayan Calendar, the Timeline in the Great Pyramid of Giza, the story of Jesus Christ in the Bible and many other ancient mystery schools and spiritual teachings all speak of a great tribulation that transforms Earth into a Utopian Age. Many misunderstand these prophecies as predicting pole shift, asteroid collisions, supervolcano eruptions or Armageddon thanks to Planet X, alien invasion, Illuminati/government takeover, or a solar event, when it may not mean that at all.

He goes into detail about the fact that Russian physics reveals that anti-gravity, free energy and time travel technology arise from a Source Field that is the energy of Mind, Spirit and Consciousness. Life emerges from nonliving material by Intelligent Design and evolution occurs in sudden bursts that repeat in 26 and 62 million year cycles, apparently the result of energy waves gradually rippling out from the center of the galaxy and transforming our DNA.

For at least 1200 years, crop circles have presented symbolic messages of DNA transformation and even Ascension on or around December 21, 2012. Easter Island, Stonehenge and some 4000 ancient sites are built on a Global Grid of energy that creates portals in space and time, such as the Bermuda Triangle. He comments that rapture may possibly occur, but most likely in a very different way than most believe.

Project Camelot whistleblowers reveal that extraterrestrials look human like us and may even be time travelers from our future! Edgar Cayce and the Law of One reveal we have a Higher Self leading us through reincarnation and Graduation.



I realize that its a lot of time to spend listening on Youtube but I personally enjoy hearing all the research he has done to back his statements and visions.:)

Anyhow,hope this is helpful. I always like the positive message that David puts out.

DR

[OneGrassRoot]

8. Thank you so much for doing that...

I will try to at least listen to the 4th installment.

Much appreciated. :)

:hug:

[BlueIris]

6. What will it mean for children born that year?

More specifically, does anyone here have any thoughts on the significance of having a child born in the year 2012?

[MorningGlow]

10. Good question

In all the research I've done, I can't say I've come across anything on this subject. If I had to guess, I'd say that children born in 2012 specifically won't be markedly different, as the Shift has been occurring gradually over the past years and likely will continue, also gradually, beyond it.

What I do know is that children born recently--the past couple of decades, say--are more inclined to be peaceful and accepting of differences. Yes, they can be "taught otherwise" (to be like their parents) and end up being more conventional, but by and large, the change is palpable, even by non-spiritual standards/observations; for example, even conventional social analysts can see how young adults (current college students) don't give a rip about things that used to get older people tied in knots, like gay marriage or biracial relationships (or even tattoos!) It will keep getting better in that way.

Has anybody got anything else on this subject (without, please gods, uttering the "i" word or the "c" word--you know, the ones that rile the trolls)? :hi:

[conscious evolution]

7. Something I read somewhere

that made me go hmmm.
Many people think that on 12212012 everyone will instantaneouly become completely enlightened.
If that were to actually happen within hours there would be riots at ERs and mental hospitals by people trying to check in because of it.

Something about that struck me as truth.The vast majority of people on the planet have no clue what enlightenment is and would go crazy from it.It would be a case of too hot for them to handle.

[MorningGlow]

11. That is a major bone of contention

and one I'm braced for, for my talk. At the risk of invoking the Fauxian "some say" (but I've gotta do it)--"some say" that the Shift is going to happen in the blink of an eye, but still other say that it's gradual and we won't notice anything significant on 12/21/12. I guess we just plain old don't know and can't predict, as we aren't there yet. :shrug:

But you're right--anything sudden would freak some people out. Heck, look at what's been happening gradually and how it's affected people recently--it sure sent those teabaggers 'round the bend. :scared: So if I had to vote, I'd say that gradual change is more likely. After all, we have been changing, gradually, for years, already.

[Kookaburra]

9. I have one

I keep hearing about physical changes that we will go through, but can't really figure out what that means. Will our bodies become different? Will we look different? What do we have to look forward to on that front. I've tried looking it up, but can't really get anything substantial.

Thanks MG.

[MorningGlow]

12. Like the rest of the subjects on this thread

and likely the rest that will be posted, we just plain ol' don't know. And if we do research, we find claims to support both sides--that we will be physically different, or that we...well...won't. (Fun, isn't it? :D ) There is also talk that our DNA will be altered. But, as usual, we can't really say for sure because we just don't know. This is all guesswork.

Personally, I think we're already physically different, which we can see if we pay attention. But it's not overt; it's more on an aura level--and since I can't see auras, for me it's more a "feel" than a "see". IMO, people who are shifting have a more pleasant, smoother, more positive vibe than people who aren't tapped into what's going on. But again, that's just the way I see it.

Need more opinions here, please! :hi:

[Kookaburra]

13. Cool -- thanks MG

You know how you ponder something for too long until it becomes it's own beast in your mind? That's where I was heading with that one. It would make more sense if we still looked basically the same as we do now. Otherwise, how confusing it would be.

[SheilaT]

14. My problem with the whole idea

that practically everything is going to change in the very near future (whether or not anyone is attaching a specific date to such change) is that I've been reading these predictions for most of my life. And I'm 61 now.

There are constant and ongoing claims of The World As We Know It coming to and end, and so far it hasn't happened. So I'm extremely skeptical of such claims.

The other thing is that I've been reading science fiction for at least as long, and a lot of such claims sound like very bad science fiction to me.

[MorningGlow]

15. Completely understandable

It's like watching the streetcorner prophets marching around century after century, with signs saying "The End Is Near!"--after several thousands of years, the reaction is "yeah yeah..." and :eyes:

I think what makes 2012 different is that it's not a prediction that the world is going to end (Emmerich movies and a number of people's apocalyptic yearnings notwithstanding). Instead, we're supposed to leap ahead in spirituality and vibration. Plus, what with the Mayan prophecies hitting the same time and referencing the planetary alignment with the galactic center (caveat: one of the authorities--Carl Calleman?--believes the date is off and this already happened), it seems to have more substance to it.

However, I think if we sit around on 12/21/2012 waiting for some dramatic jolt, we're going to be sorely disappointed. And that's what I "fear" the most--when "nothing" happens on that day, we're going to be assaulted by tons of people (yes, here on DU--Cynic Central--especially) shouting "Nyeah nyeah you said the world was going to end and nothing happened--you're an idiot!" and any protestations on our part that we expected no such thing are going to fall on deaf, self-righteous ears.

[SheilaT]

16. Maybe what I'm reacting to is

my perception that a lot of people seem to think there will be this drastic, sudden change.

I'm not even very convinced that there's such a huge upwelling of people moving to a more positive consciousness, or whatever we want to call it, even though I'm actually part of that change. It's just that I'm not sure my day-to-day life is all that different. And I don't see any evidence that overall enough people are changing in a positive way to make much difference. The atrocities that continue to happen all over the world are appalling.

Anyway, I don't want to come across as merely dismissing what so many, especially here, believe in. I guess I just want to put out my skepticism, and thank you for acknowledging it.

[MorningGlow]

17. Of course, Sheila

No judgment here. :hi:

What's interesting is that there may very well be as many theories about what's going to happen in 2012 (or what's not) as there are members of ASAH--and more! I'm tellin' ya, when I was doing research for my article, I nearly got a migraine trying to sort it all out. (I should make one of those comical flow chart posters--maybe that'll help.)

True, some people think the change is going to be sudden. Some people think it's going to be gradual. Some people think it starts on 12/21/12, some people think it ends on 12/21/12. Some people think it's been going on already. Some people think the whole thing is going to be abandoned at the last minute. Some people think it's in the process of being abandoned right now. See what I mean? And that's not even touching WHAT people think it entails--arrival of aliens, planetary alignment with the galactic center, sudden mass enlightenment, a version of the Rapture, peace on earth, armageddon. Etc. etc. etc.!

Oh dear I'm giving myself a headache again!
:rofl:

It is tough to have to witness all the atrocities continuing. And they will not suddenly stop, like someone turing off a light switch, on 12/21/12. But they are as necessary as they are heartbreaking. And if anything, these disasters, both natural and manmade, are inspiring our compassion and building our world community. We have to tough this stuff out.

I think the most important thing is that seekers are continuing to work on being the best, most loving types of beings they can be. That's all we can ask of anyone. Does that apply to everyone? Hell no. And that's fine too.

Nobody can force anybody else to follow a certain path. Everyone's on their own path, and as long as they are true to themselves and what works for them, then they are being the best, most loving types of beings they can be. We'll all get where we're supposed to be, in the end. (But I'm not talking about the end of the world! :P)

[Pharaoh]

18. 2012 is a splitting point

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ascension/esp_ascension_37.htm

A chance to make a vibrational leap to the next dimension.

This is all about being more polarized to Love verses fear.

[catzies]

19. I don't have a question -- well, maybe I do after all.

I read a few years ago where a writer on this subject said that some of us consciously chose to reincarnate when we did so we could be here during that time.

That's a horrible paraphrasing, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

So my question is: is it true, that "we" "chose" when wer were born, because we are to be a part of what happens then?

[MorningGlow]

20. I have heard that from several sources, yes

Is it true? I think so, but that's just my opinion. Once again, nothing we can prove, right?

[catzies]

21. Yes, like you I have nothing to prove it

But it does make me ponder. And going within, the thought finds a certain resonance. :)

[BlueIris]

22. But, but...what about the CHILDREN?!?!111!

Ahem. Kidding. Srsly, though, does anyone have any thoughts about what it could mean to give birth to a baby in 2012?