Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Archeologists Link Rise of Civilization and Beer's Invention

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Science Donate to DU
 
Mr. McD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 11:58 AM
Original message
Archeologists Link Rise of Civilization and Beer's Invention
May beer have helped lead to the rise of civilization? It's a possibility, some archaeologists say.

Their argument is that Stone Age farmers were domesticating cereals not so much to fill their stomachs but to lighten their heads, by turning the grains into beer. That has been their take for more than 50 years, and now one archaeologist says the evidence is getting stronger.

Signs that people went to great lengths to obtain grains despite the hard work needed to make them edible, plus the knowledge that feasts were important community-building gatherings, support the idea that cereal grains were being turned into beer, said archaeologist Brian Hayden at Simon Fraser University in Canada. "Beer is sacred stuff in most traditional societies," said Hayden, who is planning to submit research on the origins of beer to the journal Current Anthropology.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20022058-501465.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:02 PM
Response to Original message
1. Of course!
Ben Franklin was right: "Beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:04 PM
Response to Original message
2. Is There Anything It CAN'T Do?
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
xfundy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:09 PM
Response to Original message
3. "Ah, alcohol!
"The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems." -HJS
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:13 PM
Response to Original message
4. ...
Wooly rhino meat? Check.

Wil mustard green salad? Check

Beer, beer & beer? Check

Honey - call the neighbors we're gonna
Have a Civilizing!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:14 PM
Response to Original message
5. I've a Muslim buddy who's long said the Middle East needs beer
On conservative racist boards online they often use a picture of a black man carrying a case of beer through the high flood waters in NOLA, after Katrina. First time I saw that (way back when) I observed the guy (and any other 'looters') were being SMART. The water was undrinkable, polluted, not flowing. Beer is basically liquid bread. The ATF and FDA have long denied beer makers the right to put nutrition info on beer labels. They don't want people to know it's nutritious.

However, I'm a wine drinker. ;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:15 PM
Response to Original message
6. I read another angle on this same topic about two years ago.
Prior to the brewing of beer, people almost universally drank water from natural sources, or from stone cisterns in areas without year-round water availability. That water often carried pathogens.

Beer, in it's many varieties, including those with low alcohol content, is generally pathogen free if prepared properly.

Societies that drank beer regularly were healthier, because they had less exposure to harmful pathogens. Healthier societies have more babies and expand more quickly. Looking at timespans measured in millenia, beer drinking societies would have overwhelmed non-beer drinking societies very quickly through population growth alone.

Once people figured out how to grow the raw materials for beer, the rest of society would have followed very quickly. If you aren't moving around constantly, you don't want to live in a lightweight tent that will need to be replaced constantly. You move on to building with wood, stone, and mud simply because its more durable. If you aren't following the herds across the plains any more, local wildlife will quickly become depleted, forcing you to figure out a way to capture and cage game and fowl from longer distances away. Eventually someone would realize that they'll breed in a cage, making animal domestication more of an "eventuality" than a "breakthrough".

It's an interesting idea.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:20 PM
Response to Original message
7. Msut send this to my son. He will be soooo happy to know that beer DOES have an important place in
the history of mankind.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:20 PM
Response to Original message
8. That's all I need.
:beer:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:30 PM
Response to Original message
9. Old news from Omni Magazine circa 1989. Cited it in a history paper Freshman year in college. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 02:18 PM
Response to Original message
10. Beer necessitated the invention of the blotter report, a hallmark of civilization. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 03:08 PM
Response to Original message
11. I'll drink to that!
:beer:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dimbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:07 PM
Response to Original message
12. Let 's don't slight that other enlightener, wine.
Equally ancient, I believe.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Beer may have invented civilization...
...but wine made it pretentious.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 07:36 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Science Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC