it here in this forum? This forum entitled "Religious Freedom & Church-State Issues?" Until I realized once again that people are too damn confused, mixed-up and ill-informed about this issue -- some to the point of emotional freak-out from fear. This issue is about law and what marriage laws grant to individuals. Our marriage laws grant legal duties, legal obligations, and legal benefits which have nothing to do w/ religion.
And, then my second reaction was why were you referring to
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/11/18_marriage.htmlwhen that, too, is based upon an incorrect premise? Again, this issue is about law and what marriage laws grant to individuals. Our marriage laws grant legal duties, legal obligations, and legal benefits which have nothing to do w/ religion.
However, this issue swirls around in misinformation wrapped in emotion and angst by some and fear by others. How sad. Let's try some stoic unemotional law for clarity. Just to clear the air.
First of all, in Massachusetts same sex marriage is legal and is based upon sound and rational and reasonable facts and law. For example, the Massachusetts marriage laws have
never been based upon religion,
never in it's entire history:
"Simply put, the government creates civil marriage. In Massachusetts, civil marriage is, and since pre-Colonial days has been, precisely what its name implies: a wholly secular institution. See Commonwealth v. Munson, 127 Mass. 459, 460-466 (1879) (noting that "in Massachusetts, from very early times, the requisites of a valid marriage have been regulated by statutes of the Colony, Province, and Commonwealth," and surveying marriage statutes from 1639 through 1834). No religious ceremony has ever been required to validate a Massachusetts marriage. Id." (Goodridge v. Massachusetts Department of Public Health, ___ Mass. ____, SJC-08860, November 18, 2003, italicized emphasis added.)Please read that above quote from the
Goodridge court decision very carefully, very closely because it recites the history of marriage in Massachusetts. And that's what the law relies upon. It relies upon facts, factual history, case law, legislative made law, and the constitution.
A religion in Massachusetts cannot marry people without the state government granting someone within that religion authority/power to perform a marriage ceremony, period.
Each and every state in America (via its constitution and legislative made law) grants certain individuals in their respective states the authority (and power) to perform marriage ceremonies, whether religious ceremonies or otherwise. Again, it is within the power of the State to so grant this authority.
No religion in America has the power or authority to perform a marriage ceremony UNLESS it is granted that power/authority by the State government. It's never EVER been the other way around in America, NEVER.
Second of all, marriage in and of itself grants each marriage partner certain benefits, obligations, and duties in both state and federal laws. As opposed to non-marrieds who can
never partake in these benefits, obligations, and duties conferred upon marrieds. This is the turning issue in this entire ill-informed "debate" . . . benefits, duties, obligations, and privileges granted in law to marrieds only, both in state laws and in federal laws. For an shortened overview of these state and federal laws, please see:
http://www.glad.org/rights/PBOsOfMarriage.pdf (this requires Adobe Reader)
And, finally, in America where all people are treated equally, where we do not discriminate against groups of citizens, and where citizens cannot denied due process of our laws, we cannot under our federal constitution deny the marriage laws to some and grant those same marriage laws to others.
I certainly hope that I've been of some service to clear your vision of doubts and fears that some in America have attempted to tweak, particularly the rightwing element who strive to use religion for votes, and to place discrimination into our laws.
And one last thing. Same sex marriage will not take away any religions' right to say "NO!!!" to marrying a homosexual couple. It's pure fiction to fear that any State in America can force a religion to marry anyone against their religious beliefs. Religious freedom is express in the constitution's first amendment.
And that's it, in a nutshell. Family law as to same sex couples and marriage.
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