Just got back from 2.5 weeks in Canada

[SHRED]

Vacationed in Montreal and points north and east.

They were interested in talking politics. Many asked how we felt about Obama and that morphed into health insurance discussions. Both young and old were horrified with our system here in the USA. Some were not aware that you can die and/or go bankrupt due to lack of access and cost here in the USA.

To a person they said you DO NOT have to wait for urgent care.

So many lies here in the States.

One woman said she recently returned from Florida where she was surprised at how many people told her they were so sad for her about the health care she receives as a Canadian citizen. Try as she might she said she could not convince them that she was alright and was fine with her health care.

Brain washing here runs deep here...doesn't it?

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[Selatius]

1. No deeper than it ran in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union.

The only difference between the US and Nazi Germany/USSR is that the rulers of the US have successfully created the illusion of a heterogeneous news media. That is, a news media that appears to contain multiple views but really only contains a narrowly defined set of views that the real powerful find comfortable to deal with.

This is infinitely more sophisticated than the homogeneity found in the propaganda ministries of Hitler or the Soviet Union's propaganda arm. In those cases, you knew where the information was coming from. Here in America, many people still believe that information is not being controlled or funneled by a small number of people. They still believe they are free.

[SHRED]

2. great insight

I concur.

[snagglepuss]

9. Hear. Hear.

Excellent point.

[Birthmark]

3. "Brain washing here runs deep here..."

Now, now, Shred. Don't call it brain washing, call it advertising. TV ads are absolute poison to self-governance.

[formercia]

4. If you look at the roots of advertising

it takes you back to Bernays and WWI propaganda.


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Edward_Bernays


in the early 1920s

Born November 22, 1891(1891-11-22)
Vienna, Austria
Died March 9, 1995 (age 103)
Cambridge (MA), United States
Occupation Public relations, advertising



Edward Louis Bernays (November 22, 1891 – March 9, 1995) is considered one of the fathers of the field of public relations along with Ivy Lee. As a member of the Creel Committee, he helped U.S. President Woodrow Wilson propagandize in support of allied war aims during World War I. He went on to design PR campaigns for politicians and companies such as General Motors, Procter & Gamble and American Tobacco. Combining the ideas of Gustave Le Bon and Wilfred Trotter on crowd psychology with the psychoanalytical ideas of his uncle, Sigmund Freud, Bernays was one of the first to attempt to manipulate public opinion using the subconscious.

He felt this manipulation was necessary in society, which he regarded as irrational and dangerous as a result of the 'herd instinct' that Trotter had described. Adam Curtis's award-winning 2002 documentary for the BBC, The Century of the Self, pinpoints Bernays as the originator of modern public relations, and Bernays was named one of the 100 most influential Americans of the 20th century by Life magazine.<1>

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[quiet.american]

5. The Canadian who visited Florida must think this to be a country taken over by the stupid.

"One woman said she recently returned from Florida where she was surprised at how many people told her they were so sad for her about the health care she receives as a Canadian citizen. Try as she might she said she could not convince them that she was alright and was fine with her health care."

What kind of pure idiot do you have to be to actually have someone standing in front of you who lives and thrives within the Canadian healthcare system, who tells you the truth about it -- and you refuse to believe it because Limbaugh and Beck tell you they know better?!

[DavidDvorkin]

6. Whew! Glad you made it back safe!

And didn't end up in some kind of commie gulag in the frozen north.

[SHRED]

7. We made it back alive

[1776Forever]

8. I just posted this about MS "cure" in mice that came from Canadian scientist - check it out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=222&topic_id=67301&mesg_id=67301

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I think we all need to keep up the fact that Canada has some pretty good darn health care!

Thanks for posting!

[snagglepuss]

10. Re Great Canadian healthcare. My brother's brain tumour story.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6195277&mesg_id=6195277

[1776Forever]

11. Excellent report - Thank you for the link - It just keeps knocking down the myths!

Blessings to your brother and you. Keep up the fight!:fistbump: