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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 02:03 AM
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What happens next to MA "gay marriage?"
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 02:38 AM by TaleWgnDg
(I've posted the, below, post in this DU Massachusetts state forum also. . .)




DUers, it's time to notify your Massachusetts senator and representative . . .

Yes, it's time to snail-mail and/or telephone and/or email and/or FAX your Massachusetts state representative and senator. Help your Massachusetts neighbors and relatives. Don't allow discrimination to appear in the Massachusetts constitution against them! The Massachusetts constitution was the first constitution in the entire world. John Adams, its author, would think it unconscionable to place discrimination in his constitution against residents of Massachusetts. Be aware the discriminatory anti-gay amendment is up again for grabs in the Massachusetts house and senate in 2005.

Take a moment, please, to read and analyze the process to amendment the Massachusetts constitution, then the Boston Globe article on the status of the anti-gay amendment as of Tuesday, January 18, 2005.

A brief overview:

1. It takes two years, back-to-back, of the combined Massachusetts house and senate (a constitutional convention) to pass the exact same bill without any changes to it, first year to second year, and then that wording (as passed in two consecutive years) is placed as a voter's question on the following (3rd) year ballot for an up or down public vote. Thus, it takes three years with the same language of the various votes to amend the Massachusetts constitution. John Adams meant it to be pensively thought-provoking and difficult to amend his Massachusetts constitution. So where are things so far as to "gay marriage" in Massachusetts?

2. So far the Goodridge v. Massachusetts Department of Public Health, 440 Mass. 309, 798 NE.2d 941 (2003) decision, which held it was unconstitutional under the Massachusetts constitution to withhold the laws of marriage from same-sex couples, has gone along smoothly without any hitches. In other words, the sky over Massachusetts has not fallen. In law, your Massachusetts same-sex neighbors and relatives have been able to marry and protect each other and their children. And, any Massachusetts religious institution may continue to refuse to marry same-sex couples because that right is protected by the federal constitution's first amendment Freedom of Religion and Separation of Church and State, as well as similar protections in the Massachusetts constitution regarding religious institutions.

3. In the spring of last year (2004), Senate President Robert E. Travaglini, D, Boston (who replaced ex-Senator Tom Birmingham, D, Chelsea) convened a constitutional convention of the joint legislature. The first step was reached to amendment the Massachusetts convention. The proposed amendment which grants marriage to opposite-sex couples only and civil unions to same-sex couples passed by a mere 4 votes in March of 2004.

4. However, since then things have changed somewhat in the Massachusetts legislature. Massachusetts is in a new legislative year, 2005. State legislative members have come and gone -- voted out, voted in, retired, resigned. For example, House Speaker Thomas Finneran, D, Mattapan is gone. He "retired." He was anti-gay (anything), frankly. Finneran has been replaced as House Speaker by former majority leader Salvatore F. DiMasi, D, East Boston, who appears to not want to place discriminatory language against gays in the Massachusetts constitution. Yes, it appears the new House Speaker DiMasi is opposed to overturning the Goodridge decision by amending the Massachusetts constitution.

5. So what happens next? Will the new President of the Senate DiMasi convene a Massachusetts constitutional convention in 2005? If so, are there enough votes to forestall the second step to a discriminatory amendment to the Massachusetts constitution? Is Senate Minority Leader, Brian P. Lees, R, East Longmeadow, who co-sponsored the anti-gay amendment in the 2004 convention, going to change his mind in 2005 and vote against the amendment? Will Senate Majority Leader Frederick E. Berry, D, Peabody, who voted against various proposed amendments in 2004 but for the final proposed amendment, change his mind as against any amendment at this convention?

The Boston Globe in a front page (albeit, below the fold) article on Tuesday, January 18, 2005, describes "what may happen next" and with variables thereof tossed in as well.

Your DU voice should be heard! This Massachusetts vote is going to be close. Don't allow discrimination in our state constitution. Notify your state representative and your state senator. Tell him/her that you do not want any amendment to our state constitution. Tell him/her that you do not want discrimination in our state constitution.

You can find your Massachusetts state senator and representative and his/her snail-mail address, email address, fax number and regular telephone number, if available, at this highlighted LINK, left-hand column, enter your 9-digit zip code or follow instructions "Don't Know Your 9-digit Zip Code?"

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 02:51 AM
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1. Thank you for explaining this. Kick!
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 03:04 AM
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2. You're welcome . . . and let's keep it *kicked* . . .
You're welcome . . . and let's keep it *kicked* . . . and tell other DUers about the explanation. Information is powerful!


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 12:57 PM
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3. I recommend posting in the GD forum also. Nominated for HP.
I'm not gay myself so I rarely check the GLBT Issues forum. I'm also a MA resident but rarely check the MA forum; there are so many other things keep track of. But your post is so important as an issue of fundamental humanity, not to mention constitutional rights. Like me, there are MANY supporters here in the DU community who are not themselves gay. They may have missed your post too. I would have if I hadn't chanced to see it during its brief time traversing the DU home page.

I suggest you post an explanation with a link to this thread in the General Discussion forum. I'll be out most of today but will look for it tonight when I come home and try to help you keep it kicked.

I'll also nominate it for the Home Page. There are a number of threads that appear there despite being predominantly about local issues, so it might be chosen. In these days of internet communities there is a rapidly evolving new sense to the term "local"! And thank goodness for it.

You are sooooo not alone on this issue!
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:12 PM
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4. Thanks for the recommendations . . .


Thanks for the recommendations . . . and the nomination for the DU Home Page . . .


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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 02:35 AM
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8. It's archived in the DU General Discussion . . .
I may re-do it . . . in a few days. Again, thanks for your help.





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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 04:32 PM
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5. kick
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:04 PM
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6. Another kick to keep this visible n/t
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Longgrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:49 PM
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7. Kick
From Massachusetts:thumbsup:
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:17 AM
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9. And there's a Massachusetts special election . . .
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And there's a Massachusetts special election . . . coming up, both primary and general election, for 3 vacant slots in the Massachusetts state House of Representatives . . . March 15th (primary) and April 12th (general).

Votes are needed to vote-in legislators who will uphold the Goodridge "gay marriage" court opinion . . .

Please see, DU GLBT thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=7631&mesg_id=7631


left to right, Representative Philip Travis (D., Rehoboth) gestures and confers inside the Massachusetts Statehouse with Representative Mark J. Carron (D., Southbridge), Daniel Avila of the Massachusetts Catholic Conference (anti-gay lobby), and Ron Crews (lobbying, anti-gay organizations) during the 2004 Massachusetts Constitutional Convention. Travis and Carron sponsored bills against gay marriage and voted against gay marriage.
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 05:33 AM
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10. I am going to try and vote absentee. . .
. . . and am looking forward to seeing this amendment go down in flames. :)
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 06:34 AM
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11. Brian_Expat . . . please see my DU post . . .
Edited on Fri Feb-25-05 06:36 AM by TaleWgnDg
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Brian_Expat . . . please see my DU post about the Massachusetts Special Election to fill 3 Massachusetts House vacancies, with the primary election to be held on March 15, 2005 and the general election to be held on April 12, 2005 . . . in this DU GLBT thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=7631&mesg_id=7631

Regarding . . .
12th Suffolk District (replacing Rep. Finneran)
18th Suffolk District (replacing Rep. Brian Golden)
3rd Berkshire District (replacing Rep. Larkin)


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 02:19 AM
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12. How about sending emails about this to places like Unitarian churches?
I don't have the contact emails myself, but this would surely reach a lot of voters who are open-minded and public service-oriented.

Just a thought.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:37 PM
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13. Great idea . . . however . . .
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Great idea . . . however . . . the IRS frowns upon the co-mingling of Church and State. That is, if a religion wants to keep its tax exempt status, recommendations regarding political candidates or "political preaching" cannot be made from the pulpit.

Please see this PBS article at http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week547/feature.html as well as this IRS publication about this matter at http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf (publication IRS-1828 (rev. 9-2003)(this is a .PDF format, Adobe Reader is necessary).


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:50 AM
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14. Good point!
It would have to be nonpartisan. Is there a problem with simply giving information on the fact that there WILL be upcoming votes League-Of-Women-Voters-style, with no recommendations made as to HOW to vote? If people KNOW when to vote and what yea or nay votes will mean in plain language, they can follow their own consciences to the right decisions.

But you're right, it's tricky. We certainly don't like the idea of the Rethugs setting up "voter registration" tables in churches, even though they state loudly and often that OF COURSE they would never, ever be partisan, honest!

Wish I knew more on the practical business of how to get the word out.

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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:16 AM
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15. The word IS getting out . . . however, more need to contact their
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The word IS getting out . . . however, more need to contact their Massachusetts state reps and state senators. Keep them on their toes. More emails. More FAXs. More snail mail. More telephone calls.

All the contact information is available in the OP above. Keep those contacts going out . . .

NO DISCRIMINATION IN THE MASSCHUSETTS CONSTITUTION!



"Don't Legalize Bigotry" . . . "Civil Unions = the Middle of the Bus"


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