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Orlandodem Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:02 PM
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Sorry to interrupt the euphoria over the health bill, but Obama still lost me as a voter.
His RTTT and scapegoating of teachers and his support for merit pay based on one test per year means that I don't vote for him in 2012. And if his NCLB changes get passed by Congress I sit by and let the Republicans win this November.

I hope all those who voted for Obama are ready to lose the bloc of teachers who voted for him. We are STILL an angry part of his base and it's up to him and him alone to win me back. As of right now I'm gone. There will be no money or support from me.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:06 PM
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1. That's the bottom line with me. I couldn't care less about HCR. n/t
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:07 PM
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3. Really...
then you must have Health insurance.

Mods...lock this bullshit.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:28 PM
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14. I don't care about it. Education is far more critical.
Sorry if you support school privatization.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:38 PM
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20. Ya see...
years of being on DU and I read stupid shit like what you just posted.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:48 PM
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21. Sick or dead people don't learn so well do they?
Democratic one issue voters are no more helpful in lifting our country up than Republican one issue voters.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 08:28 AM
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29. +1
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 08:27 AM
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28. I care a great deal about HCR
Edited on Wed Mar-24-10 08:27 AM by proud2BlibKansan
A dear friend of mine just died because he had a pre-existing condition and couldn't afford to go to the doctor. I am a single payer advocate but am glad this bill passed because it is a start in the direction we need to go for single payer.

Here's an article about my friend: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/03/15/1815230/people-liv...
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:06 PM
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2. Nice timing....
Hey---you always got Palin in 2012.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:29 PM
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15. Just because we despise Obama's education policies as being right-wing
Edited on Tue Mar-23-10 08:30 PM by tonysam
doesn't mean we're Republicans.

Time to do some research into Obama's real position, Trumad. He isn't the great liberal you think he is.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:36 PM
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 10:57 PM
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25. you'd be surprised - or not - - -
that one of the posters on this very page, had - at one time - NOTHING good to say EVER about Obama ("America's not READY for black president") and has some more than sympathetic observances about little Miss Sarah and the big bad MSM mistreatment of her. . .

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 12:10 AM
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26. link or it's a lie. prove your constant innuendo.
Edited on Wed Mar-24-10 12:11 AM by Hannah Bell
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KILL THE WISE ONE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:07 PM
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4. you can't always get what you want
how do you think gay people felt after Clinton, DOMA and DADT. If you wish to allow worse to take over fine. can't force you to vote. Let your conscience be your guide.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:08 PM
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5. I agree that
this administrations attitude towards teachers suck. But not voting and thereby possibly allowing a republican to regain a congressional seat won't be doing teachers any favor either. Better to organize parents, teachers and students to get the government to address teachers issues while democrats are in office. Republicans will just fire all the teachers and privatize public education. That is their answer.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:26 PM
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10. Well, that is kinda what Arne Duncan is doing NOW.
That also appears to be OUR answer. Maybe education isn't the right issue to use to get teachers votes at the moment. We are somewhat better on other stuff.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 09:14 PM
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22. Yeah perhaps you are right.
I personally am against privatizing anything for a variety of reasons. Still hopeful that democrats would be more willing to listen than a republican.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:36 PM
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18. We will see what he does to Social Security also.
He just isn't the great liberal people think he is. Period.

Obama's position on education is IDENTICAL to the Republicans.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 04:59 PM
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33. How ironic. nt
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leftygolfer Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:12 PM
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6. by all means, let's just hand over the keys to Glenn Beck
this is what frustrates me about trying to keep up with political boards. if you're not perfect, you're horrible. that seems to be the message.
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Hun Joro Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:25 PM
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8. Right, because those are the only possible choices -
If you don't love Obama it follows that you love Glenn Beck. And hate puppies.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:13 PM
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7. So what are Palin or Huckabee or another of that ilk going to do for you?
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:34 PM
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16. Nice to have call outs. n/t
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:25 PM
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9. Lucky for you, he's not running for office this year nt
nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:26 PM
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:27 PM
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12. The Nation's teachers?
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:28 PM
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13. Here in NJ our new repuke Governor cut the school budget...
and rescinded a billion dollars worth of taxes for people making over $400,000.00 a year.

Schools are already firing teachers, even those with tenure. Rich folk are ecstatic. The idiot voters of N.J. who wouldn't vote for the Democratic Governor have screwed themselves and their kids and teacher are out of work.

So keep your vote. It's your job on the line not mine.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:37 PM
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19. And who is encouraging the firings? Obama and Duncan. n/t
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 10:48 PM
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24. The republicans are gutting the school budget. Thousands of teachers are being fired.
They gave the money to people who make more than $400,000.00 a year by cutting their taxes. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA.

This is the republican plan to balance the budget in this state, so you better get ready when they come for your job. Your performance or abilities will have nothing to do with it. So many N.J. teachers will end up being fired that, in some school systems, they will start with the newest teachers and then have to begin to fire the tenured. Get it? No money! Gone to the rich folk! Nothing to do with anything other than less teaching jobs for years to come and it doesn't matter what you think Obama thinks.

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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 10:03 PM
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23. I'm a teacher organizer. Teachers in our organization disagree with your POV.
But that's cool, you go ahead and be that way.

Thanks for participating in 2008.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 01:18 PM
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30. So am I and our teachers are livid over Obama's education policies
Perhaps because we are urban teachers and we feel a great deal of solidarity with the fired teachers in Rhode Island.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 05:00 PM
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35. The teachers in my local are furious with Obama. nt
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 01:10 AM
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27. Novenber will be a big come-uppance for us..... ugh
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Riley18 Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 03:43 PM
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31. I agree. We have been kicked to the curb. The fact that Arne is in charge is
an insult to every teacher. In Florida the Republicans are loving all the support from Obama. By 2014 all teachers in Florida will no longer be paid for their years of service or the level of education they have already bought and paid for over the course of their careers. Apparently, we are to be paid yearly based on how our students score on Neil Bush's test.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 04:57 PM
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32. I've not experienced any euphoria over what I perceive to be a bad health insurance bill,
and it will be a cold day in Hell when Obama gets a vote from me.

It could happen. If he fired Duncan, appointed a real educator, and put actual educators firmly in the driver's seat of reform efforts, hell would freeze over.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 04:59 PM
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34. I'm glad we have insurance reform
It was long overdue.

I was also thrilled to see the teabaggers lose. I hate those people.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 05:04 PM
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36. So far, for me and mine,
this bill equals no changes for me, which means I'm still paying for a policy I can't afford to use; some mild changes for my mom, who is on medicare. The $250 back will be nice, since the donut hole is hurting her. She doesn't think she'll live to see it close completely. My grandson will still be covered by the Oregon Health Plan, unless the bill requires his dad to buy private insurance for him. I don't know about my adult sons; we'll see how that works.

I just wanted to be able to see a doctor. I haven't for several years, because the copays and deductibles, on top of the premium, are out of my league.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 05:23 PM
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37. A dear friend of mine died a month ago
He had insurance but the pre-existing clause in his policy killed him.

I was lukewarm on the bill until Dean died. I hadn't really personalized it before then.

I miss my friend. :cry:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 05:32 PM
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38. I'm so sorry to hear that.
:hug:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 05:36 PM
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39. Here's an article about him:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 07:32 PM
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40. That is a devastating, heart-breaking story.
:cry:
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