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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:16 PM
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"Patriots' New Dynasty Will Be Put to Test Next Season"
(ducking)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050208/sp_nm/nfl_super_dynasty_dc_2

...Claiming their third Super Bowl in four years, the Patriots earned the right to be included among the all-time great teams, and head coach Bill Belichick and long-time assistants Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel embraced on the sidelines to savor the cheers together for the last time Sunday...

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:33 PM
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1. FWIW, this Pats fan doesn't buy the 'dynasty' talk
We'd have to win at least one more in the next couple of years to even come close to claiming that mantle.

Brady doesn't buy it either:

The media and the general public can do what they want in that regard, but Brady isn't going to give that kind of talk any credence by joining in the discussion.

``That's much too much to compare myself with people like them,'' Brady said after completing 23-of-33 passes for 236 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions and a 110.2 quarterback rating to lead the Pats to a 24-21 victory over the Philadelphia Eagles in Super Bowl XXXIX.

``When I look at them, I see how much they accomplished and how good they were over long periods of time,'' Brady added. ``Those other guys are unbelievable. They're in the Hall of Fame. I'd love to be able to play like them. That would be an incredible thing if I could do it. But I've got a long way to go and a lot of growing to do.''

``When I look at myself, I see all the ways I can get better,'' Brady said last night. ``I've only been in the league for five years. I've only been starting for four years. When I look at my game, I see all the things I'm not very good at, so many things that I have to improve on.

``That's why I would never put myself on a pedestal. I just don't think I should be compared with guys like Montana and Young and Marino at this stage of my career. They've done a lot more than I have. All I can tell you is that we have a great group of guys on this team. That's why we've been able to do some great things. I'm just a quarterback here and I'm proud of that. I love leading the offense. I love breaking the huddle and being a captain here.''

http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=67270

As for next year...well...

Getting to the Super Bowl is tough. Getting back is often even tougher. A million banana peels are just waiting there to be stepped on, and the Patriots organization knows this as well as anyone.

In 1986, the Patriots got flattened by the Bears on Super Bowl Sunday and got finished off by a drug scandal a day later. A decade later, they lost the Super Bowl again, falling to Green Bay, but this time they didn’t have to wait a day for the crushing late hit: Bill Parcells, who had spent part of Super Bowl week arranging his next job, went straight from the Superdome to the New York Jets.

Well, there is good news and better news for New England fans: The Patriots won their third Super Bowl in four years, beating Philadelphia 24-21 in Alltel Stadium, and head coach Bill Belichick once again flew home with his team. Imagine that. The players surely had fun after the game and into the following day, just as they did last year and in 2001, but as far as we know, they won’t be making their next televised appearance on an episode of “Cops.”

There was no melancholy to this trip for the Patriots, no sense that they won’t scale this mountain again. On the contrary, it feels like a team that is built for bigger and better things, and everyone in the organization knows it. No one on this team will be booking any Caribbean cruises for Super Bowl week 2006. They will never say it publicly, but they plan to be in Detroit in the first week of next February.

We have spent six months raving about all the wonderful things this team has going for it, so maybe it’s time to mention what is missing here. There are almost none of the problems that typically undermine the Super Bowl champions — problems that are often inherent in the system that the NFL has set up. Paul Tagliabue wants his teams to take turns at the top. We’ve said it before, and we’ll say it again: The Patriots didn’t just beat their opponents. They beat the system. They beat the NFL at its own game.

And now the Patriots are not only a modern-day dynasty, they are the rarest kind: a dynasty with no signs of crumbling. You know what happened the last time an NFL team won three of four Super Bowls? Well, the man most responsible for the reign, Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson, left after the second title. He just couldn’t get along with owner Jerry Jones, who just couldn’t stay out of the way. That’s the way it usually goes.

As for the Dallas players, they weren’t content to just take the obligatory trip to the White House. They decided instead to buy their own white house — kind of a den of iniquity near their practice facility. It made their playtime more, well, convenient, and it helped speed the demise of the last so-called dynasty. Some of the old Cowboys have talked about their great run of the early ’90s, but not Nate Newton or Sherman Williams. They’re both still doing time for drug-related crimes.

The Patriots said goodbye to their two brilliant coordinators, but they did it the right way: with a handshake and the best of wishes. They will lose some players to retirement and to free agency, but most of them are likely to leave in the same way, no guns blazing, no ingratitude or ill will on their way out the door. It is wrong to say there were no stars on this team, but absolutely right to say there was no Pedro Martinez.

As far as we know, none of the players who danced and hugged and cried and laughed together after the Super Bowl felt disrespected because Tom Brady or Tedy Bruschi got too much credit. They shared the stage happily, and it sure appeared as if they wouldn’t have wanted it any other way.

While the Patriots may have awoken to hangovers Monday morning, can you imagine how the rest of the NFL felt? To watch New England dominate the last two years — 34-4 is just not supposed to happen in the NFL — is bad enough, but in their hearts, they know this: The Patriots are prepared to do it again. All the key pieces are in place: The head coach, the quarterback and the owner, who just happen to be the best at what they do, are all back next year and probably the year after that, too.

http://patriots.bostonherald.com/superbowlXXXIX/view.bg?articleid=67384
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:44 PM
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2. Good God
they played sunday night and now it's Tuesday afternoon and you're already minimizing the accomplishment of 3 Super Bowl wins in 4 years.

Every other organization in pro sports would trade their last 4 years for the Pats last 4 years.

So give it a rest.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:51 PM
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3. I'm not minimizing anything
I live in Boston. I've been to four fucking victory parades since 2001. Four!!! And one of them was for the Red Sox!

But 'dynasty' is specific. 'Dynasty' is dominant for an extended period. The previous dynasties all have more victories than the Pats to, and all had better opponents to overcome to achieve that.

If we are a dynasty, we're a little runty one. We need at least one more ring in the next couple of seasons for this talk to be justified.

And consider this: No team has ever won back-to-back-to-back Super Bowls. If we make it to Detroit next year and win again, then we can talk dynasty.

Until then, I ain't minimizing a thing. I have all the front pages from these victories framed on my office walls. I hope to add to the collection.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 03:59 PM
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7. c'mon man, if the 90's cowboys are considered a dynasty..
then the Pat's certainly should be considered one as well. It seems the only people who don't consider them a dynasty are the Patriot fans on this board who are trying like hell to downplay their accomplishment in what I can only think is an attempt to portray the team as some sort of underdog.

:wtf:
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 04:02 PM
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8. Hey, that works for me.
That leaves the official NFL dynasties as the '70s Steelers and the '60s Packers.

:)
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:53 PM
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14. Neither does this Pats fan
One or two more, then we'll talk. It's the Steelers fans' constant whining about it that gets me. Right now, we are a good football team on the verge of doing something worthy of remembrance, and I'm glad that Brady, Belichick, and the rest of the team aren't getting swept up in their own importance.
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 12:07 PM
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25. How am I whining?
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 12:07 PM by Ravenseye
I mean yeah MikeG is whining, but check out the Pittsburgh papers. We acknowledge the Patriots as a dynasty, cause they are. They are the dominant team in the league and aside from one off year have been for four years.

I'm a Steelers fan, and if the Patriots right now aren't a dynasty then I don't know what is.

Patriots fans need to stop judging Steeler fans for the mouths of a few people. Same in reverse. Can't we all just get along?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:58 PM
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4. Sharing unpopular views
Maybe the Patriots make the Super Bowl because of the inferiority of the AFC?!? Who challenged them? The Steelers with their new and exciting quarterback, the Clint Longley of 2004? When the Pats start roughing up their Super Bowl opponents instead of ekeing out 3 point wins then we can chat about dynasty. However, may I suggest, belechick and the boys turn their attention to the next regular season; I doubt the Pats win their division next year. And gosh, they have to compete in the better conference!!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 03:23 PM
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5. Heh
You are in the same category as Magic Rat and MikeG. Everything you say turns out to be totally wrong, and every team you root for loses. At least, that's been the pattern thus far.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 04:20 PM
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9. Gosh, I wish I were Will Pitt
so I could put people into categories and not be deleted. Gosh, I wish I thought I were important for no apparent reason.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 04:43 PM
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11. You just wish you were me
so you could have gone to a parade today.

Boo hoo for you.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 07:19 PM
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16. I did go to two parades today
Rex and Zulu!
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:12 PM
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19. Are these the new gay clubs in the East Village?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:52 AM
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23. Best. Post. Ever.
LMAO

:)
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 05:59 AM
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24. New England Sports Fans have to stick together
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:31 PM
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12. My reply:
Everything I say turns out to be totally wrong:

Don't tell my over 200 clients. Keep it between the two of us, OK.

Every team I root for loses:

These teams I rooted for and they won:

1971 Pittsburgh Pirates
1974 Pittsburgh Steelers
1975 Pittsburgh Steelers
1976 Univ. of Pgh. Panthers
1978 Pittsburgh Steelers
1979 Pittsburgh Pirates
1979 Pittsburgh Steelers
1991 Pittsburgh Penguins
1992 Pittsburgh Penquins
2004 Boston Red Sox

That is all.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:40 PM
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13. I won't tell your clients
and my comments refer to this season, as you know.

:P
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 03:57 PM
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6. The AFC was better than the NFC - look at the record
The Patriots beat the Eagles and Steelers - the two best teams they could play. And before that the beat the best QB, Peyton Manning.

3 points or 30 points - a win is a win. And that makes 3 Super Bowls in 4 years, Girlie Pig.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 04:31 PM
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10. That's My Take, Too
Margin of victory is silliness. My Bears won the superbowl by 36 points. That's more than the margin of victory combined in 3 of the 5 wins by the 49ers. But, the 49er were a dynasty and the Bears weren't.

The whole, "they didn't win by enough" is sour grapes. It's really that transparent.
The Professor
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 06:02 PM
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15. Ah, Boss, the Patriots are entitled to a wee Grace Period
They have earned their victory, call it a fluke or a dynasty or whatever you want. They are the Champs. Again.

If you have a challenge to the Patriots capabilities, then suit up next September when the season gets underway and level your challenge then. I bet you an organic whole-wheat, honey-dipped, chocolate-flecked doughnut that the Pats will be BACK in the Playoffs in fine form.

I am so confident, that I am going to eat the doughnut now. Gulp. MMMMMMMMM- doh-nut.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:06 PM
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17. lllllaaaaaaggggghhhhlllll...
:)
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cobaindrain Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:35 PM
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18. Jets will win the Super Bowl next year
I can feel it :)
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:14 PM
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20. The Jets should have been in the AFC Championship
Not those Sissy Steelers :silly:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:19 PM
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21. They're really worried about Pennington
Apparently he's going to need more significant shoulder surgery than first anticipated.
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cobaindrain Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 10:06 PM
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22. he never had a strong arm to begin with
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 10:07 PM by cobaindrain
but he is perhaps the smartest QB in the league. Jets need to find themselves a good backup now with Quincy Carter likely gone. Maybe Neil Odonnell? too old? he met with the jets last year when they were looking for a backup.
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