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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:23 PM Original message |
The Quran is not holy. |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. A book is holy only to people who think its holy |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. +1 |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:26 PM Original message |
But I'm not going to be held hostage by their beliefs. Religious people of all stripes believe in a |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. Nor should you but |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I'm not saying they should, but if I want to shit on a bible, I'll do so without fear of |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
48. ANd what is your point? One mans treasure is another mans garbage. Doesnt mean we treat |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
80. No. It's essence is just paper and ink. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. The Quran is not holy to you. That isn't the problem. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
50. Correct. Its a problem for those that think it is holy. Those that do not share that belief |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #50 |
77. But why |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. Because they can? |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. Well, OK |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. And the Popul Vuh |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. agreed. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
6. And the Constitution is just an old piece of paper right? |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I won't kill you if you burn a copy of it, if that's what you mean. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Why don't you take a copy of the Koran to Mecca and demonstrate the depth of your belief? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. That is a ridiculous statement. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
51. The absurdity of any argument you may have had was revealed in only two posts. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
81. Why don't you go to Afghanistan and preach your Christianity? |
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KaoriMitsubishi (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. What more can you expect from xians |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Maybe you won't, but some might |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Who would be right? Those killing over the burning of the constitution? |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Right or wrong |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. How dare you?! Both Jones and the mob are sacred to me! |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
53. You know, someone could behead another person for that and it would be THEIR fault |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Of course. nt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Oh, but how loud the protest would be when the mob came to their door..... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
52. So by that rationale, if someone killed another person because they burned a copy of the |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:39 AM Response to Reply #52 |
72. I don't assign blame and never used the word fault. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:50 AM Response to Reply #52 |
73. OK on rereading your post |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Nice one, you got 'em there. What is holy or precious is in the eye of the beholder. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. And not indiscriminately kill people because your favorite book got thrown in a fire.. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. Do you respect what Republicans value? |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. I respect their right to believe what they want to believe, as they should me. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
71. As you should. |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. If others value a mutilated clitoris shoud I respect that? |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. You clearly should understand what I mean so I'll pretend you are not stupid. n/t |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. You wrote, "How much better the world would be if we could learn to respect |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
49. Yeah, why can't you respect calls for lower taxes and smaller government? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
82. Do you respect the beliefs of those Muslims |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. And one should have the right to burn a copy of the Constitution just the same. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
59. Any one particular copy of it most certainly is. |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. I don't like the idea of burning books |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
11. The concepts and words are holy not the ink |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I disagree. There is nothing sacred about words written by man. |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. But you don't get to decide whether something is or isn't sacred. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Exactly. And that sword cuts both ways. |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. That is why the idiot in Florida is an ignorant bastard. He doesn't know the difference. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
16. So, what would motivate you to burn them in public? |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
22. So if you exercise your right to burn a Quran and 20 or so people die because of your actions.... |
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madmax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. +1 bottom line is respect. Not only for what 'you' |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Respect is a funny thing. |
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madmax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Yes, that pesky First Amendment. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. I don't think he incited hate, I think he exposed hate. nt |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
57. You're as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.....and so it goes |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. I agree. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Blasphemy is not to blame for religiously motivated murder. |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. So the Reverend Jones actions are not responsible for the deaths that followed his burning |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Think about this: |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I'm not defending Muslim extremism or even religion...I don't care... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I supported that ACLU decision, even though doing so made me feel mildly nauseated about my country. |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Likewise, I think there should be some legal remedy to prevent Westboro Baptist Church |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. No, he is not. Only those that KILLED are responsible. |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Then we'll just have to differ |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. OK, but I blame you for me harming another person because your posts insulted me. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. I go to gay right marches in my town, even though those marches may anger school bullies. |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I appreciate your support. However, if they start killing 20 or 30 gays after |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. And to quote Counterstrike, "terrorists win." |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. So are you really saying that "if someone gets killed because you dod something another doesnt like, |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Please don't kill anyone over my post....just put me on "ignore" |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. EXACTLY! Those that chose to kill over anothers actions should have just put Jones on "ignore" |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Some people come to DU to talk, like everyone else I've engaged with in this thread |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Oh, please. Spare me the righteous indignation. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. Racists whites in the South in the 1960s... |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Do you honestly equate Martin Luther King with Terry Jones? Really? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. What freedom? Blasphemy, and the right to offend. |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Then consider me a total bumpkin because I don't get your point.... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:23 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. No, that's what you are doing. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Bingo! |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
24. so if I write a book and you burn a copy I have the right to murder your children. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. How do you get that from the OP? |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:22 AM Response to Reply #24 |
74. No way! If someone burns a copy, you have only the right to kill his neighbor's children. [n/t] |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:59 AM Response to Original message |
75. Nothing is "sacred" or "holy" |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. I don't like Jones, but if you think his actions are simply offense without purpose, |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
79. Yup. It's just paper. nt |
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