The ACTUAL difference between education and indoctrination...

[GKirk]

...it's education when children are taught something that I believe strongly in.
It's indoctrination when children are taught something I don't believe in.

[shraby]

1. The actual difference is in education the child is taught

to think for themselves. In indroctrination he is taught not to think but to believe.

edited for tpyo

[darkstar3]

2. Incorrect.

Indoctrination teaches opinion as facts, and bars the introduction of external ideas
Education teaches opinion as opinion and facts as facts, and fears the introduction of no ideas.

[humblebum]

4. So then that would mean that radical organized atheism is indoctrination.

Thank you. Got it.

[darkstar3]

5. "radical organized atheism"?

Don't you ever get tired of repeating that asinine straw man?

Edit: No need, I suppose, to add insult to exposure.

[humblebum]

6. Then if I am educated in the art of throwing a frisbee, is that indoctrination?

How about if frisbee is portrayed as the ideal sport and all others are somehow deficient or undignified, would that be indoctrination? Because that is kind of how you and others portray atheism versus religion at times.

[laconicsax]

7. LOL!

:rofl:

When you grasp at straws, you go all out!

[cleanhippie]

14. Well, to be fair, he has been "educated" on that.

Grasping at straws, that is.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

8. What is "radical organized atheism"?

And what makes it 1) radical; and 2) organized? I honestly want to know where these radically organized atheists are at so that I can steer clear of them. They sound like a scary bunch.

[onager]

9. You could join us in the EAC, if it existed. Which it doesn't, of course...

http://evilatheistconspiracy.org/

[humblebum]

10. But I could join you in the AAI.

http://www.atheistalliance.org

[cleanhippie]

15. Hey, great link! Im gonna go to that conference in May!

I have a condo in Kamloops. Sweet! Your work just got them another attendee! Nice job.


Is the Atheist Alliance "radical"? Looking at their Mission Statement and Values, I think one would be hard pressed to classify ANY of that as even controversial, much less "radical."

But then again, we all know your agenda, and it CERTAINLY is radical.

[Goblinmonger]

16. Those be some crazy fuckers, humblebum.

I mean these guys want "to transform society into one that supports and respects a worldview based on the values of reason, empiricism and naturalism, and respects and protects the separation of religion and government."

Holy Shit! Run for the hills. It's the Third Reich all over again.

Seriously, you are becoming a parody of yourself.

[humblebum]

18. Been tried several times before and it always ends in disaster. nt

[darkstar3]

21. That's only true if you think Communism and atheism are exactly the same thing.

Otherwise, it turns out that it's never been tried beyond the scope of a single city. And experiments like those tend to get quashed by, wait for it...religious missionaries! Liberal, MO comes to mind as an example of that...

[humblebum]

22. Um? French Revolution? Mexico? And I believe that it is you

that keeps conflating the two. If you haven't learned the truth by now you...never...will.

[darkstar3]

23. You think the French Revolution was entirely about setting up an atheist, free-thought utopia?

Just how much DO you like to rewrite history?

[humblebum]

24. You are the one that said that, not me. NT

[darkstar3]

25. Check #16 and #18 (your actual words) and try again.

Seriously, why is projection your only go to when you are shown the error of your arguments?

[humblebum]

26. I think you're dreaming, those words just aren't there. There you go again

conflating politics with religion or non-religion as the case may be.

[darkstar3]

29. In other words:

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[laconicsax]

27. Error is subjective.

:rofl:

After all, where you see error, he sees truth

[darkstar3]

28. +1

:)

[humblebum]

31. Now you're back to your old avoidance tactics. Over the years

organized atheism has gone by different names: 18th century - The Cult of Reason, 20th century - League of Militant Atheists, Society of the Godless, 21st century - Atheist Alliance, etc. Always resembling a religion without a god.

[darkstar3]

37. There it is again.

You compare atheism to a religion to try and goad atheists on this board to spar with you. That you would use the concept of religion as an insult like this says more about your side of the argument than mine.

[humblebum]

39. I couldn't care less if you spar with me or agree with me.

I said what I said.

[Goblinmonger]

33. You think the French Revolution was a failure?

What would the world look like today without it?

The fact that it wasn't about atheism aside, of course.

[humblebum]

35. No, but the Cult of Reason element during the Revolution did turn out to be a failure. nt

[EvolveOrConvolve]

32. Is that your answer?

How is the Atheist Alliance "radical"? I suppose that by definition they're organized, but I'm not sure how that's a bad thing.

Do you have any other atheist groups that you consider radical? If so, which ones and how are they radical?

[humblebum]

36. Atheist Alliance is a grouping of many other atheist organizations. NT

[EvolveOrConvolve]

38. Is THAT your answer?

Come on, I asked you a question. Are you going to answer the damn question or continue to deflect?

[cleanhippie]

41. I will take "continuing to deflect" for $1000, Alex.

[laconicsax]

11. Isn't that subjective?

:shrug:

[cleanhippie]

13. Your responses are great example of someone who has been "indoctrinated" but not "educated"

You are gonna need to change that needle on the turntable soon.

[humblebum]

17. You were never able to quite get a handle on that "ignore" thing were you? nt

[darkstar3]

19. Wait. You're giving someone crap for doing the same thing on a different day?

Are you getting paid to post here?

[cleanhippie]

20. You were never able to quite get a handle on that "reading comprehension" thing were you?

As I explained, several time before, I do NOT want to put you on ignore, for if I did, I would miss all the little gems you drop like turds in a pool. (like two of your responses in THIS thread alone)


Put you on ignore and miss all the hilarity? Not a chance.

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[humblebum]

30. Where did i say you were going to use the "ignore" function? You simply

said that you were going to ignore my posts.

[cleanhippie]

34. I see you are studying gymnastic sophistry.

That SOME twist and flip maneuver you just pulled.

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[humblebum]

40. Your words:

"I won't put you on actual ignore, because then I would miss all the little gems you spew.
But ignore you, I will." Not too much room for misunderstanding there.

[cleanhippie]

42. Your words:

"Where you see contradiction, I see confirmation."




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[humblebum]

43. Yep. Difference is I stand by mine and you don't. nt

[cleanhippie]

44. See, its posts like just that that justify you not being on ignore.

[humblebum]

45. Speaking of sophistry... nt

[cleanhippie]

46. Yes, what about it it? Do you know what it means?

If you were implying something to do with sophistry in my post, you certainly do not know what the word means.


FYI, all the answers are available at your fingertips. Really no need to embarrass yourself, unless thats your thing.

[humblebum]

47. Still having a hard time with that "But ignore you, I will" thing aren't ya? nt

[cleanhippie]

48. I thought that you would see confirmation in my contradiction.

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[humblebum]

49. You definitely confirmed your contradicting nature. No doubt there. nt

[cleanhippie]

50. Weak.

Your phoning it in.

[humblebum]

51. But true.

And your phone is off the hook.

[cleanhippie]

52. Ugh, you need to go back to the militant atheist schtick, this is horrible.

Intentional comedy is not your strong suit.

[humblebum]

53. I see no humor here at all. Just simple avoidance. nt

[cleanhippie]

54. Of course, you are not funny and you avoid ever answering a question.

SNAP!

Bye bye now, Ive grown bored with you.

:hi:

[humblebum]

55. Are you ignoring me now? nt

[darkstar3]

56. If you want him to ignore you so badly, maybe you should start.

[Lasher]

3. Education is when they's numbers an such.

Indoctrination is where you use documents in a nation or something.

[cleanhippie]

12. That is the ACTUAL definition you just made up, I guess.

Do you really not understand the difference between "educating" your children about the religion YOU believe and "indoctrinating" them into YOUR religion before they have the ability to reason?