Vatican to push women to wear the veil (like the Taliban)

[IndianaGreen]

Since the Knights of Columbus and the Catholic hierarchy were major players in pushing for Prop 8, perhaps our hetero friends would like to know what's next on the theocratic menu. How about forcing women to wear the veil?

The Chapel Veil Campaign

THE CATHOLIC KNIGHT: Starting in 2010, the U.S. Catholic Church is to begin its long awaited, and much anticipated, liturgical reforms of the English mass. The new translation, demanded by the Vatican, will reflect a much more accurate rendering of the official Latin version of the Novus Ordo liturgy issued by Rome nearly 40 years ago. (You can download a PDF of the new English mass HERE.) This marks a major shift in the American Church toward a more traditional and orthodox approach to the liturgy. You can read more about the coming changes here.

Some women have expressed to 'The Catholic Knight' a desire to return to the time honored custom of wearing the chapel veil during mass, and see the coming liturgical changes as a perfect opportunity to do this. Returning to this tradition will serve to further reinforce the message that the Catholic Church is the same today as it was yesterday, and the time honored customs of the Church have not died out, but on the contrary, live and breath through a new generation of Catholic women.

Sacred Scripture presents several reasons for wearing the chapel veil. St. Paul tells us in his first letter to the Corinthians (11:1-16) that Christian women must cover their heads because it is a Sacred Tradition commanded by our Lord Himself and entrusted to Paul: "The things I am writing to you are the Lord's commandments" (1 Cor. 14:37). "That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels" wrote St. Paul (1 Cor. 11:10).

http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2007/12/chapel-veil-campaign.html

Those that live by the Bible, shall die by the Bible!

[dbonds]

1. Please do this, this will be the nail in the coffin of Catholicism.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

11. Why? It is a tradition that is still carried out in Italy.

This is something that a lot of women still do. It's just a scarf that is placed over the head of a woman upon entering the sanctuary. I don't know why this is such a huge deal. Why is modesty in a church such a huge deal?
Duckie

[IndianaGreen]

This is the sort of "modesty" that has cost the lives of many women that defied the patriarchy

The Holy Qur'an says nothing about veils, it merely says that men and women should dress modestly. Is this what we see today in the Middle East and West Asia? No. We see men going about their business while women have to endure cultural oppression.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

19. Um, this isn't a burka or however you spell it.

This is a doily type scarf that covers the hair. Where the hell did the comparison come from with the Islamic traditions? It will actually be nice to go into a Catholic church and not see the disrespect lent to the service with people dressed in freaking cut offs showing their ass cracks and flip flops.

[IndianaGreen]

24. So you want the American Catholic Church to become more like the Spanish Church

during Ferdinand and Isabella.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

32. They still wear headcoverings in Mexico, Italy, Etc.

The only places this is going to change anything is the US and I'm not sure about the European Countries.
Good Lord, you are going from One extreme to another. I just don't think someone wearing a scarf in church is a reason to panic. Jeez.
Duckie

[krabigirl]

41. Why would God care what people are wearing anyway?

[Warpy]

52. Have you ever endured the special humiliation

of wearing a piece of toilet paper because you forgot the damn doily when you got ready for school that morning? Most Catholic women have.

No thanks, buddy.

No man has any right to tell any woman what to wear. He can only hope she has the sense and good taste to show up for religious occasions in appropriate dress. If he finds her dress inappropriate, let him put his damned eyes elsewhere.

This, like the Muslim veil, needs to be voluntary.

[pnwmom]

81. I think the men advocating this should be wearing the t.p. on THEIR heads,

don't you?

It might help them with some of their own modesty issues.

[Peregrine Took]

103. Back in the day we used to use kleenex, church bulletins, etc. and plop them

on our heads. It didn't matter WHAT it was - just anything to sit on the top of your head!

[kestrel91316]

59. Women would still be free, presumably to wear flip flops and show their

ass cracks and wear shorts, while wearing the doily on their heads.

And I say this as someone who thinks one should wear NICE, TASTEFUL clothes to church, lol.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

63. Doubtful.

This is an obvious crack at the lack of modesty being seen in churches all over the world. I can almost guarantee it. Don't be surprised if in the same paragraph this is decreed, it is decreed that a return to modest dress while at church is required as well.
Duckie

[pnwmom]

80. If men such as the "Knight" like the veil so much, THEY should wear them.

Instead of trying to impose them on women.

Men could demonstrate their own modesty and cover up their bald spots at the same time.

[dbonds]

15. It won't fly with the rest of the world.

What twist of concepts do you get modesty out of this. This is a hold over from the days when men felt like they owned women and didn't want other men to 'covet' them - so they required them to hide their face.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

22. In Catholic Tradition, women covered their heads....

...not their faces, not their bodies. Their hair. It shows you know nothing about Catholic Traditions and jump on oppressive shit and compare it to Muslim Traditions. Look at this picture:


These are not the same as what you are thinking.
Stop being extreme.
Duckie

[dbonds]

31. If you can find a spiritual reason to do that then I'll won't say anymore.

I mean a reason, not a stupid scripture commanding it. Otherwise, traditions are many times full of shit (and this appears to be one - this won't fly in the US - we have evolved beyond it). And the spiritual reason has to also say why men don't have to do this thing. I do know quite a bit about religions as I was once a believer - till I wanted to learn too much and found it was all made up in 300AD. This 'tradition' has roots in oppression.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

48. It started with Saint Veronica...

When Saint Veronica saw Jesus carrying His cross, she took off her veil and gave it to Him to wipe His face. He handed the veil back to her, and it had an image of His face on it. In this way, Christ gave a special blessing to the practice of wearing a veil. Even Veronica's name comes from this event. She is called vera icon because she had a true icon of Christ, her veil with His face on it. Nearly every Catholic Church has the stations of the Cross with this event at one of the stations.
The Virgin Mary wore a veil. Those women who wear the veil are imitating the Virgin Mary in her humility. Nearly every Catholic Church has a stature or image of Mary wearing a veil.
The Virgin Mary is the most revered woman in the Catholic Church. I don't think people see imitating the mother of the Savior as oppressive, at least not in the Church.
Duckie

[aquart]

51. The Virgin Mary wore a veil?

Sure it was a veil and not a wig? Jewish women don't cover our faces. And MARY WAS A JEWISH GIRL.

[pnwmom]

86. Catholic women's veils didn't cover their faces. And the veil was often

just a circle, a little bit bigger than the yarmulke that Jewish men wear.

It wouldn't be an issue to me if both Catholic men and women were supposed to wear something on their head.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

92. Orthodox Jewish women wear a wig OR a scarf in public

and only after marriage.

[dbonds]

60. Except that is the myth part of the spirituality.

The myth was meant to teach a the spirituality that has to be experienced and not learned from words. The myth of Jesus was the Sun Gods journey through the stars. The Gnostics (which came 300 years before the Catholics) each had to write their own version of the story. Jesus was the name they gave to the Sun God in Pisces eon. For an initiatory experience they had to experience the energies throughout a yearly cycle. Mary is nothing more than the Virgo constellation the Sun rises in on the day of it's "birth" (the day after the shortest day of the year - Dec 25th).

But even in the example you gave, at face value, there isn't a spiritual reason - it would just be part of the narrative. By spiritual, I mean a reason that effects your communing with God while worshiping.

[olegramps]

88. What happened to that cloth with Jesus face on it?

That story sounds just like the Shroud of Turin bull.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

49. It started with Saint Veronica...

When Saint Veronica saw Jesus carrying His cross, she took off her veil and gave it to Him to wipe His face. He handed the veil back to her, and it had an image of His face on it. In this way, Christ gave a special blessing to the practice of wearing a veil. Even Veronica's name comes from this event. She is called vera icon because she had a true icon of Christ, her veil with His face on it. Nearly every Catholic Church has the stations of the Cross with this event at one of the stations.
The Virgin Mary wore a veil. Those women who wear the veil are imitating the Virgin Mary in her humility. Nearly every Catholic Church has a stature or image of Mary wearing a veil.
The Virgin Mary is the most revered woman in the Catholic Church. I don't think people see imitating the mother of the Savior as oppressive, at least not in the Church.
Duckie

[aquart]

54. Veronica was a Roman woman.

And giving a girl a souvenir of an act of kindness is NOT "blessing to the practice of wearing a veil" unless the veils are to be made of terry cloth and used to perpetually wipe sweat.

Very difficult for some to separate what Christ did and said from the agenda-driven assholes who interpreted him.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

62. I was just giving you the reason the church believes it.

I don't understand why everyone here wants everyone to be tolerant and open to their beliefs but mine continually get shit on. And apparently that is just fine. I don't agree with the church's stance on Homosexuality or birth control. A lot of Catholics don't.
Just because the Vatican has decided to go back to the head coverings does not mean it's going the way of Islam. I'm sorry, but I don't see why everyone is freaking out. You obviously aren't a part of the Church, so I don't see why you even care?
Duckie

[pnwmom]

79. It may not be as extreme in appearance, but the symbolism is the same.

This Catholic woman strongly rejects the idea of going back to this practice.

[Taverner]

102. It looks like a lace Hajib to me...

[krabigirl]

37. Where are the head coverings for the men? Shouldn't they be modest, too?

And what's the deal with "modesty" and church anyway? What is so immodest about a female's hair?!

[YellowRubberDuckie]

57. I have no idea why it is only the priests that still do this and men are not required to.

In the Jewish faith, everyone covers their head. I don't know why that didn't translate to the Catholic Church past the Cardinals. I have no idea.
I always thought that women were more precious, and so they were supposed to look prettier? I always dug those things when I was a kid. Reminded me of a bride. :shrug:
Duckie

[Sal Minella]

53. An abaya is just placed over a woman's body. A chador just covers face, head and body.

No big deal. Just "modesty." :sarcasm:

And why are men not required to follow any such rules of "modesty?"
===============
edited to add :sarcasm: before I get flamed.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

64. I don't really see how this is anyway like Islam...

Because it's only within the church, not everywhere outside the home.
Duckie

[kestrel91316]

56. How does a scarf on the head equate with modesty?

Does that mean heads are shameful things? Or just hair? And why only sometimes?

Just curious how this works, because it never made any sense to me and just sounded like something to force women to do to show them who's boss.........

[YellowRubberDuckie]

67. No.

It's something that goes back to Mary, who wore a head covering. It's a symbol of Humility. I can't answer why the head coverings for men didn't translate from Judaism to Christianity. Why is it polite in the western world for a man to remove his hat when he enters a place, but a woman does not have to do the same? It might just be something that has evolved over the years to get into line with Western Gentlemanly Code? I have no idea. But if you'll notice, most priests, cardinals, the pope all wear head dresses and coverings.
Duckie

[olegramps]

89. How do you know what Mary wore?

[SpiralHawk]

2. "...And ya gotta wear them while barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, too." - Papastocricy

"By the way, be sure to read our hot new scriptural supplemenent, on sale this week at troglodyte.com." - Papastocricy

[IndianaGreen]

8. A return to the old Leviticus tradition of keeping menstruating women out of theTemple

There is no end to biblical rules!

Did I mention that Paul told women to keep quiet, and that if they had any questions they should ask their husbands?

:grr:

[YellowRubberDuckie]

12. This will not go that far.

Why does it always get ridiculous around here when discussing the Catholic Church?
Duckie

[LeftyMom]

27. Because the Church is frequently rediculous.

:shrug:

[aquart]

58. Paul? The ancient equivalent of people who see Elvis in the supermarket?

Damned convenient, seeing Jesus on the empty road to Damascus, with no witnesses.

Hey, I believe him, don't you?

[olegramps]

90. Some have expressed that he appears to have been stuck by lightning.

[eleny]

3. They really have their finger on what's important in this world right now

:rofl:

I'm so glad I left that church and all it's ass backward thinking.

[MrScorpio]

4. My wife is Catholic... I can't see her shopping for a veil

It ain't happening

[JerseygirlCT]

96. LOL. We'll see her right back to grabbing a tissue out of her bag

and slapping that on her head.

I can so remember women doing that!

[Dorian Gray]

97. I'm too young to remember that

(thank God!), and I don't think I'll ever actually wear a veil. I suspect that this is "suggested" and not "enforced." It certainly won't be in my community.

Anyhow, when I do travel to Italy and Mexico and the women wear them, I do have to say that I think that they are really beautiful.

[JerseygirlCT]

98. They can be, for sure. And as I said elsewhere in this thread

if they enhance someone's worship, great! But demanding that people - and it's almost always female people with the RCC, isn't it? - wear particular clothing is just silliness. And as you say, it's not going to fly.

I'm old enough to remember the "oh no, forgot your veil! (little more than a piece of lace to pin on your head, really) - here's a tissue!" bit. I'm also old enough to distinctly remember the first Sunday I could wear pants. Whoo hoo, pants!

Now I come to church in jeans and a sweatshirt as often as not, and not a soul cares.

[Dorian Gray]

100. It's the same here

We've belonged to two different parishes in the last few years. One was mostly an Afro-Carribbean parish (Haitian) and they tended to dress up for church. (No veils, though!) The other, however, is more liberal in nature, and you'd be hard pressed to find anybody outside of jeans. (That's the one we currently attend.) It's just so laid back.

Anyhow, I can't imagine this being a command from on high at the Vatican. It sounds like it's a movement from a small number of conservative Catholics. If they want to exhibit their free will in doing this, great. It's kind of cool. It won't gain any traction, though.

[peacetalksforall]

5. It was a head covering, not a veil - at least in the U.S. It should be a choice, not an order.

[dkofos]

6. Go for it. I'm sure that will help your cause.

:sarcasm:

[alsame]

7. I was raised Catholic and when I was a little girl (in the 60s), we

always had to wear a veil in church. It didn't have to cover the face, but we had to have a lace-type thing pinned to our hair. I stopped going to church at about age 10, so i'm not sure when that requirement ended.

[mitchtv]

21. Kleenex has been seen on women's heads

in my day, and of course real handkerchiefs

[aquart]

55. Oh, good grief, that thing's a VEIL?

I've got a dozen of them, available in every funeral parlor that does Jewish services. The men cover their heads with yarmulkas and we get a bobby pin and a circle of black mesh.

Who knew?

[DesertRat]

9. It wasn't a face covering!

We called them mantillas. They weren't bad, but I can't see them coming back.

[Mojorabbit]

13. I liked them when I was a child

it made me feel like a princess. I left the church as a teen in the 70's. I have no idea what they do now.

[DesertRat]

16. I liked them too.

Only a few of the senior ladies wear them now.

[Gwendolyn]

10. Lol, not like the Taliban!

:D

That's been thrown around for awhile, and it's the doily-like kopf scarf worn during prayer in church. Some old ladies have been wearing them since forever. That's not exactly like being encased from head to toe from the moment you walk out the door.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

14. Exactly.

This place is ridiculous when it comes to religion.
Duckie

[dbonds]

20. That's because religion is just a means to control people.

There is a real spirituality, but it doesn't exist in organized religions. People just have a hard time understanding why people submit to such crazy rules.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

28. I don't know.

While I don't disagree that the Catholic Church has been about controlling people for centuries, however, I have met some wonderful, truly devoted to God people at the Church. Some of them think some of the things their church mandates is silly, but that does not change their devotion to God.
Duckie

[dbonds]

40. Good, moral, spiritual people can come from anywhere.

Some just end up in various churches, others do not. The religion is about control - that's what Constantine used to unite the failing Roman empire. The Catholic church is the remnants of the Roman empire, most of the non-Catholic Christian religions are break-away versions of the Catholic. Some can find the same spirituality in Star Wars Jedi as others find in Catholic church - that is a credit to the person not the faith.

[Shardik]

35. Unfortunately, religion is ridiculous.

In that it (no matter what flavor) exists today.

Hey, Zeus and Zoroaster were around a long time before most Deities here today, why are they less valid?

[Gwendolyn]

46. Yes, but the wearing of costumes or adornments is kind of benign.

Jewish men wear kippahs, their frum women spend zillions on wigs; until some years ago Christian women wore big hats and devout Muslim women keep their heads covered all the time. If only that was the worst of it. :)

[krabigirl]

26. Um, what do the men have to wear over their heads? Just curious.

[Cleita]

38. Men were exactly the opposite. They were required to remove any

caps or hats as a sign of respect. Only the clergy were allowed head gear.

[krabigirl]

44. Oh I see. It still makes absolutely no sense. BTW, I am an ex-Catholic.

This patriarchal crap is one of the main reasons I left.

[aquart]

68. Odd mix of rationales and traditions, that.

Anciently, hair had significant power. Think Sampson. Virgins with unbound hair were all potential power. When women wed in patriarchal cultures, they cut or covered their hair because they were giving up their power to their husbands.

But men uncovering their heads in church, before ladies, and in the presence of superiors is a whole other tradition. Anyone know the origin of that one? Does it have anything to do with the helmets and other headgear traditionally worn by soldiers in the field?

[pnwmom]

87. Uneducated guess: men took off hats to prove

they had no weapon hiding in there.

:shrug:

[Mari333]

17. eeek I had to do that as a kid and when I forgot my veil

my mom would use a bobby pin and pin a kleenex on my head. seriously! it was humiliating.
ah this send women away in droves. i left in 1977.

[zehnkatzen]

18. Not like the Taliban at all, actually.

The Taliban and fundamentalist Muslims insist the woman be covered from head to almost toe no matter where they go.

This is hardly that. This is worship etiquette, and faithful Catholics will probably do it. On the rare occaisions I do pay a visit to my mother Church, I see the occaisionial female (usually older) with a tasteful head covering. It's actually quite dignified.

The real problem here, as I see it, is a Pope who is determined to lead the Church right back to the nineteenth century. I liked JP2, but him and Benny had a mission ... to make the Church forget that Vatican II ever happened. This I resent them for.

John XXIII was a genius, a compassionate man, and a visionary who realized that God could speak through the Catholic Church in many styles and many ways. I wish we had his like today.

Besides, the majority of American Catholics will smile, nod reverently, and go on doing things any darned way they want anyway.

All that being said, I'm a retired Catholic. There's many reasons, which can all be summed up in a church that is intellectual and passionate but refuses to let go of its authoritarian, arrogant point of view, and realize that it, too, has to evolve or die ... I don't care if 1/6th of the world calls themselves members of the Roman church. It will go away if the the Church continues to believe and pretend that it's finished and perfect as it is.

The world has its way of moving along without such things.

[olegramps]

91. John XXIII realized that the Church had to move into the 20th century.

He opened Vatican II and Paul VI and John Paul II did everything in their power to wipe out the reforms of Vatican II. John XXIII appointed both laity and clergy to a Birth Control Commission to study the problem After years of extensive investigation they voted in favor of authorizing contraception. John Paul II, then a bishop, was assigned to the commission but boycotted it. In fact, he lied about why he didn't attend. He was in fact writing what became the encyclical reaffirming the church's ban on contraception. The Conservative wing of the church opposed Vatican II and have done every thing under their power to make the memory of John XXIII disappear. Nothing is heard about this man of tremendous influence who was universally liked by people of all faiths. You talk to young people and they know nothing about the man.

[Bucky]

23. Okay, I just read 1st Corinthians Chapter 11, so I could see the context of this Bible verse

St. Paul was fucked up. This is a stupid Bible verse. If you read it literally, it says that a woman has the option of going bald, which is just as pious as wearing a veil church. Personally I think bald women are totally hot. I came to this realization while watching Persis Kimbata in Star Trek I: the Motion Picture. Years later Sinead O'Connor revived this yearning in my soul for a bald chick. So I'm thinking Paul of Tarsus also liked 'em shorn. And like me, that's some sick shit right there. To this day I can't visit a cancer ward without popping some saltpeter tablets first.

Wait, what was I talking about?

[baldguy]

36. In antiquity, people shaved their heads to control lice & other parasites.

[Bucky]

42. What does this tell me about your user name?

From now on, I shall refer to you as "Licey McLicehead".

[baldguy]

50. I come by my baldness honestly; my scalp is exposed due to genetics.

[IndianaGreen]

39. "The wife doesn’t have authority over her own body"

"Is it appropriate that a woman pray to God unveiled?"

And a lot of other nonsense about food and idols. And people follow this clown!

[JitterbugPerfume]

25. I bought a black lace one ( head covering)when I was a teen

because I thought it was so beautiful and delicate . I had no idea what it was!

[SmileyRose]

29. I remember a grandma pinning a kleenex to my head.

I was spending the night with grandma and she wanted to go to confession and had to take me into the church with her, so she pinned a kleenex to my head so it was covered.

I felt like a dork but at age 7 and loving grandma, I obeyed.

[JerseygirlCT]

99. See? I'm not the only one! nt

[baldguy]

30. What's next? Magical underwear?

[IndianaGreen]

72. Magical dildos perhaps...

or better still, magical vibrators.

[baldguy]

76. Remember - these are Catholics we're talking about.

[Cleita]

33. Raised a Catholic I lived at a time when we were forced to wear something like

a veil (a hat) to church on Sunday. It was explained to us as an extension of a custom requiring women since Roman times to be veiled in church so that their beautiful hair wouldn't be a distraction to the men in prayer so it seems it was a symbol of male dominance after all. As a Latina myself, Latina women wore a mantilla, usually a lacy and attractive veil like those shown in the picture. Of course by the twentieth century the head covering had become a fashion item, like easter bonnets and all and the Vatican finally relaxed the rule. I also remember watch dog priests standing at the door of the church checking women's clothes and sending home anyone whose skirt was thought to be too short and tops to be too low or showing cleavage.

Well Catholics. Good luck with that. Since nowadays their dwindling congregations are more women and children than men, it's good way to put another nail in the coffin of the rapidly becoming antiquated and irrelevant Vatican style of Christianity.

[madaboutharry]

34. These same traditions exist is Judaism.

The majority of Jewish women ignore it, even when they are in a synagogue. And that includes Orthodox synagogues, unless they themselves are that observant.

[IndianaGreen]

43. Apparently the Vatican wants to get rid of the option

and return the Church to an homogenous form, as it was during the Middle Ages.

[canetoad]

45. Who could ever forget Tom Lehrer?

First you get down on your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

Do whatever steps you want, if
You have cleared them with the Pontiff.
Everybody say his own
Kyrie eleison,
Doin' the Vatican Rag.

Get in line in that processional,
Step into that small confessional,
There, the guy who's got religion'll
Tell you if your sin's original.
If it is, try playin' it safer,
Drink the wine and chew the wafer,
Two, four, six, eight,
Time to transubstantiate!

So get down upon your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

Make a cross on your abdomen,
When in Rome do like a Roman,
Ave Maria,
Gee it's good to see ya,
Gettin' ecstatic an'
Sorta dramatic an'
Doin' the Vatican Rag!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. In conservative to orthodox synagogues, head coverings are worn by both men

and women. I don't like it but when I have attended services, out of respect, I'll do it. Little pieces of lace and yarmulkes are provided for those who don't have their own.

[kestrel91316]

61. I have a great idea for a new homebased business for myself,

catering to the female Catholic masses: hand-crocheted doilies for the head.

I already am pretty good for making doilies for tabletops, so this should be a piece of cake! I'll get rich. Time to get to work.

[wellstone dem]

65. As a practicing Catholic woman let me say,

I'll go back to covering my hair when men start having to cover theirs. While I already resist the Church's failure to move forward in this changing dynamic world, I will not be a part of steps back. The same goes for when (note I don't say if) they tell me I can no longer be a lector or a communion minister. In the 70s, I was the first woman lector in my church, and I will never forget the elderly man who went up to my parents after that mass and said, "It's about time." (After he died, my mom bought a dresser at the auction of his posessions, refinished it, and gave it to me as a present.)

[Book Lover]

66. You need the go-ahead from the Vatican to wear a mantilla?

Oh please. If you feel the need to wear one, absolutely no one will stop you. And if the Vatican thinks that going back to the days of woman franctically pinning a Kleenex atop their heads before Mass marks a return to tradition... well, actually, they're right. It's just that it's a stupid tradition. "By their deeds they shall be known." Not by their lacy frou-frous.

[Bluenorthwest]

75. By the deeds of Cardinal Law and his pals

we know them alright.

[haele]

69. That one always made me laugh - "Wearing a veil because of the angels..."

Like angels or Ghod are incontinent? Or perhaps, because of the self-righteous, egotistical spewings from the pulpit would so nauseate any angel in attendance that it might cause spontaneous spewing...

From experience of dealing with men and women, religious or no, I can safely say this - modesty does not necessarily mean respect.

Haele

[MgtPA]

70. When I grew up (in the 60's), we had to wear them. Of course, we often saw photos like this...

...in the newspaper, so we didn't think much of it.

[elshiva]

84. Awwww, I like that picture.

:)

[frebrd]

71. Say What???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[niyad]

73. nobody is stopping these twits from wearing veils.

[Bluenorthwest]

74. The veil is needed

to fold into a handy blindfold, for wearing while the priest has his way with your kids. That way you can pretend all is well while waiting to confess to the man who is raping your son.
Tonight on MSNBC Jonestown. Yet another story of religion, family and the great value the religious put on life.

[CatholicEdHead]

77. It is still optional and not yet mandatory again (hopefully not but who knows)

What is more annoying are the new Mass parts coming in 2010. Going back to the literally Latin translation really makes it akward and really looses touch with the modern age.

The only place I know they are cheering it is the Catholic Answers board. :puke:

[IndianaGreen]

83. I am sure that Mel Gibson is just ecstatic about this

He is a throwback to the Dark Ages, to the Church of the Inquisition.

[pnwmom]

78. This is some right-wing blogger pushing the veil, not the Vatican.

The blogger cites some translation changes in the Mass that the Vatican has approved. But it is the blogger who's promoting the idea that the Vatican should also go back to encouraging the veil. And some "women" the blogger has supposedly heard from:

"Some women have expressed to 'The Catholic Knight' a desire to return to the time honored custom of wearing the chapel veil during mass, and see the coming liturgical changes as a perfect opportunity to do this. "

[Book Lover]

85. Oh my face is red...

I didn't go to the original blog and assumed this was the Vatican testing the waters...

[rug]

82. A mantilla is not a burka and ignorance is not a virtue.

[Meshuga]

93. This is not like the Taliban

The Taliban wants women covered so we cannot see them at all times.

This issue seems to be about women wearing a see through vail during mass and not at all times.

And I didn't perceive the move as the Vatican forcing women to wear a vail. If this is the case then good luck to the Catholic Church since I thought they were already losing ground to other churches. Adding more restrictions would just scare some more people away.

[knitter4democracy]

94. Like we Orthodox still do?

It's optional in most Orthodox churches in the US but not optional at all in Russia or Greece, even for nonOrthodox. I wear a headscarf sometimes myself (especially if the church is cold ;) ). As long as they leave it up to women, I don't have a problem with it.

[JerseygirlCT]

95. Oh good grief.

I remember slapping that beanie on in 3rd grade before being dragged in to fill out the back during a funeral and the like.

I think I was still in grade school when that silliness was finally dispensed with.

For those who find it enhances their worship - go for it. But requiring any sort of attire is just plain silliness. It seems the RCC has been overtaken by a long spell of silliness since JPII, however.

[shrike]

101. This blog post is nearly a year old, dated from Dec., 2007

I have heard absolutely nothing in the past year about Chapel veils, Chapel veil campaigns or any move by the Vatican to get women to wear them again. The "campaign" seems to be a push by this blogger, whoever he is, and his little band of followers rather than the Vatican.