I am a Catholic, I love and cherish my gay friend.

[Swede]

I do not care what Rome tells me today,I know the church is a work in progress. Warren is so cool,what a kind heart he has, he knows I would literally die for him. You judge me because I am a RC at the same time you ask me not to judge Warren. I am a RC,that does not make me an enemy. There are a billion catholics, it is my job to educate them to accept that we are all God's children. My job is to educate them. Not you. I hope my fellow DUers can see the difference.

[Goblinmonger]

1. Why would you give your money

and support to a church that hates Warren and comdemns him to hell? Why give them another number to use to show how powerful they are and to justify their bigoted dogma? You aren't going to change the church from within on this one.

[Swede]

2. Why do you live in a country that hates Warren.?

In my country gays are part of the military.

[Goblinmonger]

4. My country has changed.

It has shown that in the past. Women couldn't vote. Blacks were slaves. Our society is progressing constantly even though Bush has slowed that down a bit. The church has shown no propensity to change in this regard as well as the rights of women.

[Swede]

6. I will agree with you. G I hope we are on the same side.

The RC is 2000 years old. I have to change it from the inside. Me. I feel that responciibilty every day. How can our Father be against birthcontrol? Our current leaders are being political,I cannot accept this.

[Goblinmonger]

8. But I don't think you can change it.

The cardinals all proved how conservative they are by picking Ratzi as the new pope. The pope decides who gets promoted to cardinal. New cardinals will be conservative. They will pick another conservative pope. And the circle shall be unbroken.

Check out the Episcopalians. They might be to your liking.

[Swede]

19. I have to try.

I hope you can see me as an ally. I am not a bad guy,I wish to change the church from the inside. They have to see the new reality or lose progressives like me. I have to do this for my mom and dad that saw the church as a hope for all of mankind.

[MADem]

7. Heh...all I can say is "Oh, SNAP!!" nt

[Swede]

11. Not cool enough.

You never have,you never will. I like your green tshiirt. No. Really.

[MADem]

13. I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you a bit discombobulated?

Why are you coming at me like this? What is this green t shirt nonsense?

You make no sense.

[Swede]

17. Sorry. I an a Canadian,we do not fight first. I hope you accept this.

I do not accpreciate attacks on my relegion. i have no ill will for you.

[MADem]

22. No one is attacking your religion, you nitwit.,

I have no problem with Catholics.

The expression "Cafeteria Catholic" is NOT an insult.

WTF is the matter with you???? Why are you acting like an ass?

[Redstone]

3. Well, you've decided ot do what most American Catholics have decided to do:

Go to church, and remain nominally a Catholic, while cheerfully ignoring whatever absurd stricture that Rome attempts to drop upon you (no birth control would be the biggest of those).

The Catholic Church needs to find out, and understand, who its members are.

Redstone

[Swede]

5. Redstone my friend,I agree completely.

Rome has a say,but nothing else im my life. If that is not good enough for the pontiff,then me and him have a difference of opion.

[MADem]

9. Cafeteria Catholicism--it's what's for dinner!!! NT

[Swede]

10. What is your point.?

Shitstain or ignore?

[MADem]

12. What the FUCK???? Jesus H. Christ on a bicycle, is AUTO OFFENSE on the menu, too?

What the fuck is wrong with a comment about CAFETERIA CATHOLICISM??? You do know what it is, don't you? You pick what you like, you ignore the rest. That's all I said, and all I meant.

Get over yourself. You're the one who proudly PROCLAIMED yourself to be a Cafeteria Catholic. You like your gay friend, you ignore the teachings of Rome on this issue--that's a Cafeteria Catholic.

So what is YOUR point??? Looking for a fight, or what?

I'd call you a name at this point, but why bother.

[Swede]

14. Take a pill dude.

nt

[MADem]

21. If anyone's on pills, it's YOU. NT

[emilyg]

15. Good for you

And your point is?

[jeff30997]

16. Hi buddy !

I'm a Canadian and a catholic,just like you...

But I don't give a shit about what Pope Ratz and the rest of

those clowns say!

Fuck the Church,fuck religion,it's all a damn scam.

You like Warren ?

Then help him the most that you can because...

Ah,what the hell,believe what you want as long as it

doesn't hurt anybody.

[Swede]

18. Nice to here from you. I love Warren and I will say it proudlly.

Two men love each other,not relatives,not sexually attratcted,we just love each other. Let's flatten Baghdad.

[beam me up scottie]

20. I'm an atheist and have spent most of my life wondering why religionists hate gays.

And I sure as hell don't support their policies.

As a matter of fact, I'm more than happy to tell anyone and everyone that the current Pope is a murderer, just like the last one.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for liberal catholics who don't support the Vatican's fucked up policies, but I do wonder why some DO support them financially.

Edited to add links to a thread backing up my claim:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x21558

And there's more evidence of that if anyone wants to find it.

If you lie to people who depend upon you for food, shelter, education, spiritual and moral guidance and you LIE to them about something that can and will save their lies, you are a murderer.

[trotsky]

23. But you sure don't like those damned dirty atheists, do ya?

Keep working on that tolerance thing. You'll get it eventually.