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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:31 AM
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Gallup Poll: Mandate? WHAT mandate?
CNN's Wolf Blitzer noted on 11/28 (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/28/le.01.ht... ) that a recent CNN-USA Today-Gallup Poll showed that nearly two-thirds of Americans surveyed -- sixty-three percent -- don't think that Bush's narrow and hotly-contested election win gives him a mandate to advance the Republican agenda. Less than a third of all Americans surveyed -- twenty-nine percent -- think it does.

Before the Republican letter writers jump in hollering "liberal bias!" -- which they do whenever they run across a set of facts they don't like -- I want to point out to everyone that not only has CNN been falling all over itself recently to parrot the Republican Party Line as broadcast by FOX, but that both Gallup and USA Today are known for their pro-Republican biases. The founders of both Gallup and USA Today were GOP to the bone, and both Gallup and USA Today carry on that tradition.

The bottom line: Bush and the Republican Congress had better watch their step. No amount of hiding behind the soldiers they put into harm's way in Iraq will help Bush and his cronies to keep Americans from wondering and worrying about the lack of jobs outside of the military, or the downward spiral that the dollar is taking, now that China is about to join Japan in refusing to finance Bush's reckless spending.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:36 AM
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1. I don't think the Bushies ever understood that
Bush is financing our government at the will of foreign governments and they can cease that financing or call in the chips. Bushco sold out this country.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:43 AM
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4. Back to Bush Sold Our Country Out
and the foreign countries are no longer willing to underwrite the debt. That gives them one heck of a borrowing tool. We may be soon paying a very inflated cost for any Asian group's products to keep Bush in his borrowing mode. Those products may be sold at such global stores as Wal-Mart. Any bells going off yet?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:32 AM
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11. Wal-mart? What's Wal-Mart?
I don't shop there... ever.

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Cowboy Joe2k Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:17 AM
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21. Thats right give the money to your Neaibor it's our only hope.
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Kick this. this is the one little bit of information that can save the world.

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I may have bargained a solid argument to avoid getting stuck in this damn contraption.
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:21 PM
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47. none of these links work for me. n/t
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:44 AM
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5. That's right.
The bushies don't get this point at all. If we cannot remove the chimp foreign governments just might. So much debt is owed to places outside this country that if ever our creditors get together and stop the purchase of that debt there's going to be hell to pay.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:55 AM
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26. Oh, I think they understand it.
They just don't care.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:36 AM
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2. Hey man when even David Brooks is shooting barbs attcha
you don't even have a mandate in your own party.

He was making disparaging comments about Sharpton AND Farwell today, saying it was no wonder these clowns got in a fight. That Farwell gives evangelicals a bad name. Shocked. I was shocked, I tell you.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:40 AM
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3. Gallup understated Bush and overstated Kerry in their final poll
They're so biased.


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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:58 AM
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6. Bush stole millions of votes, trit. Gallup didn't understate Bush at all.
They always get close to the result in their final polls.

Too bad they were just a hair off. Kerry won by 2-3%.

You will learn this one day, as surely as that day follows night.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:13 AM
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7. Many indicators suggest a stolen election--
It's possible that investigations will develop involving fraud before the electoral voters bring Bush in. Legally, they do not HAVE to vote for Bush at this point.

Check out Bev's latest work at
www.blackboxvoting.org

Dan S
www.libertywhistle.us
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 03:03 AM
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12. They would have done even better if they didn't allocate 90%
of the undecideds to Kerry. I don't even think you made such a claim in your model.

Tarrance especially, Pew, and Rasmussen were the pollsters that won big on election night.
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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:51 AM
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25. Amen.
Truth will out.

And 'You can fool some of the people all of the time...etc', said by a famous bearded Republican?
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beam me up scotty Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:27 AM
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8. But Bush doesn't listen to or read the news,
and he won't ever be told that most people don't think he doesn't have a mandate. The guy plowed ahead after the 1st s-election like he had a mandate. Now with a supposeed majority of the votes and no chance for a third term (yet--who knows what they'll try to do with the constitution), he's going to damn the torpedoes, and go full speed ahead. Sure am glad I moved to Japan.
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:12 AM
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20. Let 'em have their mandate--they'll just hang themselves with it!
For once, I'm glad * is ignorant of reality, that he doesn't read the news. He is just spoon-fed whatever info his advisers thinks he needs, censored and filtered and interpreted to best serve their needs. Let 'em think they've got a blank check with a limitless balance; they'll soon write a check their ass can't cash. And the more they believe in that fictitious mandate, the sooner all of this will happen.

Bring on the backlash!!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:28 AM
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9. Randi Rhodes said it best IMHO
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 02:29 AM by Patsy Stone
"He couldn't get a mandate if he stood in the middle of the West Villiage in chaps...buttless chaps." :)
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Left Brain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 03:43 AM
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15. ROFL
Yeah, that's pretty hard up.
Love Randi, thanks for the reminder.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:35 AM
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19. ROFLMAO!!!
Gosh that visual! Laughing!
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:33 AM
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23. Ewwwww....
Do you know what impact that image has on readers who are actually gay?

I'm scarred for life!

x(
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:57 AM
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27. Sorry, Harvey!
Don't mean "Hedley?" :) Hedley Lamarr???
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:46 AM
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29. Don't forget Count de Monet, Pats. :) n/t
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 09:49 AM by Harvey Korman
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 11:38 AM
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35. Well, it can't be much different from the impact on us hetero women, right
That is, it is a barf-making image - but hilarious!
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:35 PM
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39. Point well taken.
In that case, keep him on the upper east side. It's the only part of town where they *might* think it's sheexxy.

:evilgrin:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:14 PM
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51. I just see him with that pissy look on his face! :) n/t
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:29 AM
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10. Yikes !!
If two-thirds of respondents reject W's "mandate," then just who in the hell voted for him?

Bankrupting this country is deliberate. Make no mistake about it. That's what the Bush Crime Cult is all about.

The Bush Crime Cult has no need to watch their step. They are the Rulers of The World.

Unfortunately, unlike the mainstream-media, the rest of the world has a different picture on their tubes. Unfortunately, it's going to be very difficult for all of us who are not very wealthy.

But the Bush Crime Cult doesn't have to worry about the plight of those of us who Jesus hasn't blessed. They just don't give a crap. Amen.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:15 AM
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16. That's my question...
If you don't want his policies, why'd you freakin' vote for him?!
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:59 AM
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30. Well, many decided that...
no candidates were worth voting for and stayed home. With 58% or so of registered voters voting, this should be obvious.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:41 PM
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40. Not two thirds, 71%, get your #'s correct or accountants won't like you
Just kidding ;-)
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:42 PM
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41. It's 63%, not 71%. Pot Calling The Kettle Black? hehe
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:02 PM
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43. The way they hide the numbers (read more carefully)
"Less than a third of all Americans surveyed -- twenty-nine percent -- think it does."
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:10 PM
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45. Do you not know how polls work?
That means 8% were undecided or didn't care.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:43 PM
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50. Which means 29% are giving the mandate, as for the 8%.........
do we know what they are not sure about? As for polls, there are so many ways to do them, ask the questions and interpret the results, that given enough money and time you could get them to say just about anything. I have yet to see 29% of any group of people frothing at the mouth in support. To me its freaking B.S. mostly

It might be their(the people who give you THEIR news) mandate, but it sure the hell isn't mine. It be might even the the word is a little vague (especially in legal terms)

Webster's 1913 Dictionary

Definition:

\Man"date\, n. one's charge, order, orig., to put into one's hand; manus
hand + dare to give: cf. F. mandat. See {Manual}, {Date} a
time, and cf. {Commend}, {Maundy Thursday}.]
1. An official or authoritative command; an order or
injunction; a commission; a judicial precept.

This dream all-powerful Juno; I bear Her mighty
mandates, and her words you hear. --Dryden.

2. (Canon Law) A rescript of the pope, commanding an ordinary
collator to put the person therein named in possession of
the first vacant benefice in his collation.

3. (Scots Law) A contract by which one employs another to
manage any business for him. By the Roman law, it must
have been gratuitous. --Erskine.



Thesaurus Terms

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(snip)
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=manda...
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:34 PM
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53. Listen, Respond as Many Times as you Want But
Gumby's original post, which you jokingly criticized, said two thirds REJECTED the Mandate. That means two thirds actually SAID to the person doing the poll that He DOES NOT have a mandate. They didn't say I don't know, they didn't say maybe, They didn't say I don't care, They Said HE DOES NOT have a mandate. Gumby was absolutely accurate in that. 63% did in fact REJECT the mandate, so your criticism, even if jokingly, was wrong. Since you said get your facts straight when you didn't have yours straight, was the cause for my JOKING reply that you are a pot calling the kettle black. Got it????

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 05:23 PM
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55. I am a dunderhead, Okay
I am idiot, I didn't vote for bush with the majority :dunce:

What ever you took offense with me with, please excuse I was also trying to :kick: this thread.

I don't think it is productive to debate what the respondents gave as an answer was mostly my point.

The percentages don't even matter anymore anyway, just look who TPTB says won the election and how they reported it. Do you think that 1% gives a rats ass what we think if they can get away with what they are doing?

Really I just can't wait for the next poll, they are so fun :crazy:
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partisan to truth Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #50
58. damn that's a load of synonyms
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 03:32 AM
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13. I wouldn't call CNN's line "Republican"...
...but rather corporate.

What CNN has to say on the matters of the day--especially on war, corporate taxes, and the ever-pressing need for the volk to remain obedient and tireless at their jobs and quick with their credit cards when at play--is a song whose notes are pleasing to the fat cats running both parties.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:33 AM
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18. One in the same...................
Corporatism and Republicanism are exactly the same. Unbridled capitalism are the goals of each. They are indistinguishable.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:24 AM
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22. Very true, Voltaire99. Their bias is upward.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 03:39 AM
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14. This is not dissimilar to the poll about Roe vs Wade.
AP conducted a recent poll where 59% said that they wanted a Supreme Court nominee in favor of upholding Roe vs. Wade, where only 31% didn't.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=289913&CMP=...

So who the heck voted for Bush?

Grand theft White House.

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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:31 AM
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17. Jeebus................
Georgie thought he had a mandate after the FIRST stolen election. Of course he's going to think he's got carte blanch right now after the "overwhelming" :eyes: victory in November.
And he could give a rat's ass how the 'Murkins feel about things. The USA is his play toy now and he's going to have a fit and break it just like his toys when he was a little boy.
As for the American people and how they fell, I could give a shit right now. They voted for this self-righteous little monster and now they're going to have to live with the consequences.
I don't, and never will consider Bushy my President. I listen to NOTHING he says and will NEVER follow his directives. I've seceded from the Union and am my own country. ClintonTyreeica. I like the sounds of that. ;)
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ahyums Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:38 AM
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24. if Bush is inaugurated ......
A hardline conservative agenda will be pushed through in the next two years at least. Conservatives would no doubt not forgive themselves if they allowed this historic opportunity where they have control of the all the major levers of federal power to go to waste, that's why they have to push the mandate argument , to allow Bush to do what he wants to do. Hopefully that will wake people up to the true extent of the conservative agenda, and even without fraud proved etc. permanently cripple the right wing through overreaction, in a similar way to what happened with the "Great Society", however well intentioned that was.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:57 AM
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28. Exactly
They will continue to repeat the word "mandate" even while the polls show otherwise. The American voter is very lazy and ill informed. If they keep hearing the president say mandate, then they will believe it and eventually support whatever he wants to do. Meanwhile, the media will continue to spend untold amounts of time on Scott Petersonesqe reporting and very little time on guarding our democracy from internal destruction.

Bush and his gang will do whatever they please regardless of the will of the people. They have the opportunity to shove their twisted agenda down our throats, and it will take decades to undo the damage.

Hang on to your seats, folks, we are in for a very rough four years.

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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 11:32 AM
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33. I agree. I've noticed "will of the people" is one of the mantras too...
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 11:37 AM by wildflower
I hear it, or some version of it, every time a quote from Scott McLellan or someone else in the administration is played on Air America. (Along with "mandate," "activist judges" and a few others.)

They are repeating it over and over until the people accept it.

Someone asks about SCOTUS' refusal to hear the ruling on the Massachusetts Supreme Court? It's unfortunate the "activist judges" effectively thwarted the "people's will."

Canada doesn't agree with Iraq policy? "The people have spoken" and shown they support this administrations foreign policies.

I believe it's as you say. It's that "air of inevitability" at work again. The plan:

At first, the TV viewer will look around, thinking, "That view is the will of the people? That can't be right; I don't agree with it."

Next, it's, "Well, I guess it's true, and I must be in the minority."

Next, "Well, I guess it really is the people's will; maybe I ought to re-examine my view on this."

I'd like to think it won't work this time. The poll helps a bit, anyway.

-wildflower
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ahyums Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:21 PM
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48. it might work for a while
until people actually start to look around and realize that whatever they are told, they really, really don't want this, then they'll wake up, then they'll realize they were tricked and then they'll never even consider voting for those people again (hopefully). You can't deceive people forever, and they can't blame those 'evil' liberals anymore , no more excuses for them, whatever mess they make they have to lie in, and it's our job to make sure that's pointed out in the most direct way possible.


(All the above assuming of course that the results don't change with the recounts, then our challenges would be equally difficult and important, but different.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:04 AM
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31. If Bush keeps saying he has a man-date...
we're going to have to start calling him America's first GAY PRESIDENT. LOL

Seriously, maybe that should be our response. Fight retardedness with a retarded response--maybe the American people will pay attention then?
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:07 AM
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32. Bush Bad - Bev Good
At least Bev at blackbox is doing something, but with the
Bushies in place, we'll get nowhere fast and like other's
remarked out here, "they do not care," one way or
the other. Remember, either we're with him, or...
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 11:33 AM
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34. Since they own the black-box voting machines, none of this matters.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 11:38 AM
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36. I think this is prima facia that * wasn't voted in.

And that he certainly didn't get the popular vote!
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janetle Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:01 PM
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37. Buyer's remorse
My feeling is that the public could easily turn on Bush. My Mom says the whole atmosphere of the country reminds her of Nixon's landslide re-election in 1972. People do not like power grabbers even if they voted for him.

I have spoken to a close family friend and a close family member--both people held their noses and voted for Bush. But interestingly, both of these people who didn't say much during the campaign are now complaining that Bush has the wrong message from them. They voted for him to hold him accountable and to make him clean up his own mess in Iraq.
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 07:46 AM
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65. Clean up his mess in Iraq? Someone was delusional there? eh?
Tell them to read 1984. And they can get a good idea of where they live now. With the poor excuse of a human they voted for. As our "so called" leader.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:10 PM
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38. Mandate schmandate. There is one good thing only about a Bush win, and
that is that he will have to take responsibility for his mistakes as the economy worsens :( and the situation in Iraq deteriorates further. :(

So, I'm very glad to see that so many other citizens agree and recognize that he is overstepping.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:53 PM
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42. the mandate is the one that fools like Blitzer keep telling the people
that exits--day after day--news report after news report!!!
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lizerdbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:18 PM
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46. They will find a way to blame it on Clinton
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 02:14 PM by lizerdbits
Everything bad that happens for the next 100 years will somehow be Clinton's fault. I would love to see Chimpy admit he's a screw up but I don't think it will ever happen, mostly because the media will never call him on anything. But we can dream.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:04 PM
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44. "Factsd they don't like" reminds me of one of my
favorite skits from The Daily Show -

Corddry: How does one report the facts in an unbiased way when the facts themselves are biased?

Stewart: I'm sorry, Rob, did you say the facts are biased?

Corddry: That's right Jon. From the names of our fallen soldiers to the gradual withdrawal of our allies to the growing insurgency, it's become all too clear that facts in Iraq have an anti-Bush agenda.

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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:23 PM
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49. LOL!!
Thanks for posting, Eloriel. I don't have cable and so live for posted tidbits like this about The Daily Show.

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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:31 PM
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52. Is it time for me to return?
I quit watching all news, including the Daily Show, after November 2. I just couldn't bear it. But, reading what you posted, I think maybe it's safe to go back to TDS.

Is it safe?
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:14 AM
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62. It's safe.

John Stewart seems to be in the "move on" camp, but he's still as sharp as a tack on other issues.
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 03:43 PM
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54. I've got no problem with the Bushies thinking that.
The more they think they have a mandate, the more likely it is that they are going to overreach and finally turn off the non-fundies who voted for them -- assuming there are any left.

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HuskiesHowls Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:04 PM
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56. My boss is wondering
I showed him his president's tax policies, and how it would affect him directly, and he's starting to wonder what he can do about it now. At least he's thinking he made a mistake!!!!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:37 PM
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57. I am gleeful and gloating! For six years I've been saying that
their hard core base is only 30-37%. I couldn't figure out what went wrong on Nov 3 because I didn't believe they could steal that many votes. I am willing to add xx per cent to 37% to account for those people who said they just didn't know about Kerry and those who didn't think we should change xresidents in the middle of a war.

This makes me think I'm still correct. A max of 37% is my unscientific article of faith which I'm going to cling to.

Now, I want to find out just what per cent they stole country-wide. I think it may be worth it to sign up for a course in statistics so that I can understand all the articles and papers that are coming out.

Another article of faith is that some of these election officials are going to confess or spill accidently.

Bush's claim must be written with a hyphen....man-date.
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partisan to truth Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:22 PM
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59. has any other president ever declared themselves as
having a mandate? Just curious...
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Osamasux Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:47 PM
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60. I remember that Reagan did.
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partisan to truth Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:05 AM
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61. thanks :)
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:23 AM
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63. Slightly OT, I've done some light number crunching and interpretation
of various polls to try to figure out how wide *'s support really is. I get a figure of no more than about 20 % of the population.

This is another poll that hints at the shallowness of the actual support for the Bush agenda.
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Left Brain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:50 AM
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64. kickin it
:dem:
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