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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:49 AM
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We are being asked to believe the unbelievable...a B* win
Don't believe the unbelievable, don't buy the lemon that B*sh won.

I have waited, as have millions of Americans, four excruciatingly long years to have the shadow of our 2000 election gone. My family, my friends and I have been counting down to the day when George W. Bush would have to leave the White House that the Supreme Court put him in.

Since the "election" we are being asked to believe the unbelievable. Think about it. Before Election Day, the momentum of ousting Bush was very strong and very real. Even though the race seemed close, Bush was never able to break 47 or 48 percent. Kerry, in the very end, was pulling ahead. The news of the week was not good for Bush. Another blow to his competency came with the missing explosives and possibly, the Osama tape. As it stood, Republicans were moving to Kerry, undecided voters were moving to Kerry, young people were for Kerry, Independents were for Kerrywhy even the day of the election the exit polls opinions from Americans actually voting were indicating Kerry was on the road to victory. We even had record turn out which traditionally, historically favors the Democrats. Turnout in spite of GOP voter suppression claims that were reported across the USA. Oh, and all the articles I read indicated that Democrats had registered more voters than the Republicans. Hell, even Karen Hughes had told the president he lost. Then, a peculiar thing, a sudden shift, once the votes began to be counted by the machines that Diebold built Bush was up by 5 in states where there was no paper trail. Hmmm, sounds fishy to me. In fact, it REMINDS me of the WARREN COMMISSION'S MAGIC BULLET THEORY. My fellow Americans, WE HAVE BEEN HAD! Dont believe the unbelievable!

The exit polls correlate perfectly to votes in states with a paper trail. Evidence is mounting that suggests the machines were adding and subtracting votes all over the place. There are reports of machines recording more votes than there were voters in areas. How can that be? These computer glitches were everywhere. Many voters have reported problems voting for Kerry. Like the jokes on the internet, it seems some of the machines didnt want to record Kerry votes, some of them wanted to record Kerry votes as Bush votesand some of them did. Voters were intimidated and disenfranchised. Votes were intentionally suppressed. Is this an American election or what? Our Democracy is threatened. An interesting fact so far is that, of all the errors, no reports have surfaced that err in Kerrys favor. How curious?

We waited patiently to see what Bush would do in the first four years. We have seen enough. Like an abusive lover, we know what hes like and what he will do. We cannot wait another four years while Bush destroys our economy, our social security, our environment, our Democracy, our America. We must fight this injustice. We must fight smart. We must expose this election fraud. We must tell everyone, including our leaders that this election has no credibilityjust like the last election in 2000. The perception is that our elections are skewed for one candidate over the other. A perception fed by partisan election officials, state leaders, and E-voting manufacturers. As we continue to uncover more incidents of E-voting errors, yes, the F wordFRAUD the election gets less and less credible. Make your voice heard, make some noise, express your outrage. At the same time, educate yourself about the incidents around the nation.

Ever notice how B* always has a helper with a conflict of interestI guess we can add Diebold to the list along with Katherine Harris and Blackwell in Ohio. Coincidence? I dont think so. Anyone who thinks this president was elected legitimately is extremely nave. Come on, we all knew he would do thisdidnt we?
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:52 AM
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1. They can state such all they want, he will always have stolen this
election as well as the last one in my eyes...I will die with that belief....
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:01 AM
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2. Me too AuntPatsy, me too. When did you know?
What clenched it for you?
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:07 AM
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3. Thanks, I needed that smile...a long day and an even longer
night ahead. I think I knew when my daughter called me into the living room to look out the sky light. A shadow lay along side a bright full moon, almost satiny in it's appearance, it was tantalizing to view and yet it also whispered of .....

a stolen election that had no chance of being exposed....

And then I turned away and walked slowly back to my room..and here I sit wondering how that clever shimmering moon knew before I did...

;-)
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:37 AM
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4. What beautiful imagery you use.
I am not giving up though. I think there is still hope. I don't think it's over yet. Still, I can relate to your sadness about the issue. Thanks for sharing. We shall overcome AuntPatsy, we shall overcome. Blessings for your long night.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:11 AM
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10. I knew the minute the returns started slithering in Nov.2...
You don't see the support, the momentum, the passion I did during this campaign, only to see the candidate "lose." I knew right away that it was stolen.

Thanks Tex.

NGU.


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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:17 PM
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23. Yes, I knew right away too. I hear people say that Kerry
didn't run a good campaign and it makes my blood boil. He's not perfect, but he ran a damn good race. People were flocking to him at rallies. I loved the pictures, you know, when they would pan out, wide-angle and there were hundreds of people. Meanwhile in the other camp they would do these close-ups so that it looked like there were lots of people. I live in a very GOP place but KE people were coming out of the woodwork. Yeah, I knew right away, actually, as I watched the returns coming in. As the "counting" was happening...that's when I knew.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:33 AM
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5. And most do.
In Ukraine they know it was stolen just as we do. But the great "silent majority" in this country is staying silent and remains blissfully unaware that the election was a fraud. They stay that way by denial or because the mainstream media refuses to acknowledge the plain facts.

There are really two things that bother me about this. Foremost is the fact that our star spangled democracy, that I actually believed in until 2000, has died and nobody in everyday America knows it yet.

Secondly is all the millions of wasted hours political volunteers who believed an election could unseat Bush donated to the cause. Then add the millions of wasted dollars ordinary Americans contributed to the party and the campaign. Everyday patriots who could not afford it scraping up hundreds or thousands of dollars to get rid of Bush thinking it would be a level playing field.

Why bother when the other side can just steal it? I've become comfortable with a certain idea over the last few weeks. The only way out of this is through and it makes me sad. :-(
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:34 PM
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24. It's a conspiracy of silence
Dear Pa28,

In America we have the luxury of not knowing many things. In order to know we really have to take the initiative and educate ourselves, the MSM has failed us. You are right about the level of denial here.

I too am deeply disturbed by the death of our democracy. I really don't have the words to describe this feeling. Despair, at times, perhaps that word describes it. I am determined to keep fighting. I have to or I fear I will sink into the quick-sand of hopelessness. At this point, fighting gives me hope.

Yeah, the money thing and the campaign...an awesome campaign. I was one who gave more than I could afford. I am grateful so many Americans did that. The grass-roots effort was very inspiring. Plus all the volunteers who worked for the campaign, the GOTV effort, people who never did this in their life but got involved. Kudos to them and a big thank you. It is bittersweet though.

It infuriates me that so many people think this was a legitimate "election." It scares me too. I fear that if we do not fight this injustice it will swallow us whole. Furthermore, I fear that we won't fight.

It makes me sad too and angry...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:33 AM
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6. I realize I'm in the minority
but there's been no compelling evidence of fraud extensive enough to have swayed the election. I believe bushco did win, and unless we start addressing the why of his win, we're not going to take our country back. You're overestimating the American electorate.
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nmoliver Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:44 AM
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7. yes there is
Oh, yes there is. Please see Wayne Madsen's articles in Online Journal for a start.

If Madsen is correct, the Bush people fanned out all over the country, hacking votes. They targeted the "safe" states of TX and CA to pad the popular vote margin so he could claim his "mandate."

More importantly, however, you don't need "compelling evidence of fraud extensive enough to have swayed the election". You need compelling evidence that the votes countrywide have been accurately tallied, in order to certify this election. This evidence is absent wherever machines are used to record or tally votes. Inaccuracies are everywhere. Most importantly, they ALWAYS FAVOR BUSH. If you flipped a coin 57,000 times (number of anomalies reported), what are the chances that it would always come up heads?

The burden of proof is on the ones who took the responsibility to record and tally votes. They have hidden the evidence (proprietary code and secret tallies). That, in and of itself, showed that the election is highly riggable. If Kerry was winning, who would believe that the Bush people are too pure to have tampered with it? Or to have had the means to do so? Or to have not planned and anticipated this eventuality in advance?

Until we start addressing the "why of his win", we will lose every election from here on in, because he "won" because the voting machinery is in Republican hands. Until that is changed, we will lose every election. No hacking job is too big for a computer. It is as easy to switch 100,000 votes as it is to switch 10.

And, these people will never give up their vote-rigging ability, and rights, unless they are forced to by being exposed, arrested, tried and convicted, with ample publicity surrounding the process.

- Nina
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:15 AM
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8. Wayne Madsen is somewhat
less than credible. Remember he is the one promoting the belief that Wes Clark was a republican plant designed to screw up the Dem primaries
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:29 PM
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16. And you are overestimating your understanding of what happened.
Stop wasting our time.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:35 PM
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25. I agree with TruthIsAll...n/t
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:07 AM
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9. we knew they were going to steal it MONTHS ago
and yet Kerry did NOTHING, either before or after the election.

My contempt for him is equal to my contempt for Republicans right now.

I curse the day the Democrats chose this coward to be their candidate.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:40 AM
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11. If you have so much contempt for Democrats, then why are you here?
NGU.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:29 PM
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12. No answer? Why doesn't that surprise me?
NGU.


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:46 PM
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:25 PM
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15. Cool It Guys - THE REAL COWARD IS BUSH! n/t
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:36 PM
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21. No one's asking you to leave a free country.
I'm kindly asking to leave a board where disruption is specifically prohibited in the rules, yet you have nothing but disruption to offer. And I'm not even telling you to leave. I'm asking you to do so as a decent human being.

NGU.


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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:37 PM
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26. I love you ClassWarrior - You are awesome. n/t
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:56 PM
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14. SAD BUT TRUE - SO WHAT DO WE DO ?
I totally agree with your perspective, as you can see from my list of "lemons" that have been swallowed by the American public. Unfortunately, starting with the "magic bullet theory", we face the fact that the establishment got away with executing a President of the US in cold blood, and since that time have felt free to intervene as necessary to control the country, and there doesn't seem to be anything we can do to stop them.

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Who Are the REAL Conspiracy Theorists ?

- Those who believe the Warren Commissions magic-bullet-theory that a single bullet flew an impossibly complex trajectory, caused extensive physical damage, and ended up in pristine condition on a stretcher, and who believe in all the other incredible amounts of BS that proved Oswald was acting alone.

- Those who believe the North Vietnamese attacked the US on the high seas in Tonkin Gulf, which provided LBJ with his excuse to fight an obscene and genocidal war in Vietnam

- Those who believe that the intifada against Bill Clinton by Scaife and his crew was genuinely motivated by concerns over Whitewater real estate investments by Bill Clinton as governor of Arkansas, and that they eventually stumbled upon Monica Lewinsky by accident, and were obligated by the US Constitution and the rule of law to impeach President Clinton

- Those who believe that in the 2000 Presidential election, George Walker Bushitler really receieved 537 more votes than Vice President Al Gore in Florida, which just happened to be controlled by Bushitlers brother and Cruella Katherine Harris.

- Those who believe there was no conspiracy in the US Supreme Court to stop the counting of ballots in Florida, and there was judicial grounds and justification to award the Presidency to the AWOL cokehead, George Walker Bushitler.

- Those who believe that the US government was unaware of all the warnings about Al Qaeda prior to 9/11, and that hijacked airplanes able to roam the skies over NYC and Washington DC at will, and that there were no defenses in the White House, the Capitol Building, or the Pentagon to prevent the use of a hijacked airliner as a weapon.

- Those who believe that during the 9/11 attacks, the air traffic controllers and NORAD followed the procedures they had exercised in the past regarding aircraft violating their flight plans.

- Those who believe that the AWOL cowardly cokehead commander-in-thief, George Walker Bushitler, and his staff, were really so clueless as to allow him to continue smirking and reading stories about a goat at the very moment when hundreds of Americans were being burnt alive and blown to bits in the WTC.

- Those who believe the physical damage to the Pentagon is consistent with a loaded 757, piloted by an incompetent, was able to fly in a trajectory a few feet off the ground, enter the Pentagon thru a small spider hole, and then self-destruct and vaporize in such a way that there would be no recognizable debris either outside or inside the building, and that the witnesses who testified that the aircraft resembled a missle were are lying or hallucinating.

- Those who believe that since 9/11 was allowed to happen without any defenses, that George Walker Bushitler was suddenly catapulted from a less than 50% favorability rating to 90%, and was able to imprint himself in the American psyche as a strong and valiant leader, and was able to enforce a lockdown on civil liberties and dissent in every area, both foreign and domestic policy.

- Those who believe that George Walker Bushitler and Tony The Poodle Blair genuine had documentation and strong evidence of WMD in Iraq, and invaded Iraq because it was an imminent threat to the security of the US and Great Britain.

- Those who believe that exit polls have been extremely accurate in the past, but suddenly became totally unreliable during the 2004 Presidential election, in a manner that favored George Walker Bushitler in very critical state. In fact, the greatest voter shifts for Bush in this election vs. predictions from the exit polls occurred by "chance" in four states: after California, they are Florida (450,000), Pennsylvannia (378,000) and Ohio (338,000)
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samrock1 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:32 PM
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17. nothing
sadly we just have to sit here and wait. :(
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samrock1 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:34 PM
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19. how many
how many posts do i need to post my own topic?
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:38 PM
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22. 10
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:46 PM
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29. I didn't know that. I waited until I had, hmm, over 300...
which didn't take long. I still don't think it should be about the number of posts, but the substance. Good to see you Stand and Fight.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:44 PM
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20. Does this mean I can take off my tin-foil hat now??? n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:50 PM
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30. Please Seito, I think you should. Isn't it interesting how people
who think become conspiracy theorists and they are viewed as those who wear tin foil hats? I think you should take it off. Of course, maybe it will one day be a coveted item, you know, like designer clothing or a new fad that is suddenly hugely popular.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:44 PM
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28. I like your lemons list Shalom. What DO we do?
How do you educate those who won't listen to fact or reason? I don't know. It seems that to educate people would be my first course of action. This seems an ineffectual approach though since most who believe these things prefer not to know...ah, the luxury of being American. Of course, lately, I am game for action not words. What suggestions do you have?
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:05 PM
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31. Tough Questions & A Hopeful Answer
I think our hope is that the dynamic of communication is changing in a way that makes it harder and harder to fool the public. For example, imagine that we had the Internet and Democratic Underground in 1963 - I expect the glaring lies and cover-ups of the Warren Commission would have been exposed much earlier. The same applies to the Tonkin Gulf resolution. Notice how much more quickly Bushitlers lies about Iraq WMD and links to Al Qaeda have been exposed.

A good analogy for this is the "half life" of radioactive materials, which is the time it takes for 1/2 of the starting material to decay. Lies have a "half life" as well, and ultimately the truth does tend to come out, but what is changing is that the "half life" of lies is decreasing rapidly, to the point where the perps need to watch there backs. The older Bushitler probably would have been convicted of treason for Iran-Contra if it happened in modern times, just as Prescott Bush would never have been elected Senator of Connecticut after his assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading With The Enemy Act, based upon his aid to help Hitler get steel to kill Allied soldiers, and helped I.G. Farben build crematoria.

The Internet is a global resource that the Repigs dare not shut down in the US: even if they dared, it would continue throughout the rest of the globe. It is true that the Reich-wing can and does use modern electronic communication to try to control (via fear and smear)the populace, but "crying wolf" can only go so far: have you noticed that people have become de-sensitized to their phony color alerts ?

On the other hand, the capability of these new media to challenge and expose these criminals just becomes stronger. I blieve it is a medium that tends to supports the truth.

This is my only hope.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:28 PM
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32. During the latter part of the campaign, I noticed this effect that
you speak of. The power of the internet which has moved a large portion of people to participate in the news, rather than passively receive what some would feed us. I noted that this medium was transforming campaigns and the news. For years I have said that if the 1963 JFK murder had happened with our current media I don't think they could have sold the lone gunman theory like they did. I completely agree that if we had the internet back then, coverage and the un-covering would have been radically different. I like your "half life" analogy. We are definitely a problem for the fear and smear producers.

I love what James Carville says about the color alerts in his book, "Had Enough, a Handbook for Fighting Back." Something to the effect of, the B* administration came up with this alert system that any interior decorator could have come up with. :7 And, yes, I agree we have become de-sensitized to these "alerts."
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:30 PM
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33. TexasPatriot: Great Minds Think Alike !! ;-) n/t
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:33 PM
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18. Very well stated. You are a true patriot. n/t
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:38 PM
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27. KICK TO THE TOP....n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:24 PM
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34. kick
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:04 PM
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35. KICK BUTT n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:45 PM
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36. Kicking it
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 09:46 PM by texpatriot2004
:kick:
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