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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:19 PM
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AP Article about FRAUD!!!! (On Yahoo & Guardian)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4643374,00.html

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041129/ap_on_el_pr/ohio_vote&cid=694&ncid=1963&sid=96378798

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Nearly a month after John Kerry (news - web sites) conceded Ohio to President Bush (news - web sites), complaints and challenges about the balloting are mounting as activists including the Rev. Jesse Jackson (news - web sites) demand closer scrutiny to ensure the votes are being counted on the up-and-up.
snip
Jackson said too many questions have been raised to let the vote stand without further examination.

"We can live with winning and losing. We cannot live with fraud and stealing," Jackson said Sunday at Mount Hermon Baptist Church.
snip

Hooray!
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:22 PM
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1. This is good...
thanks for posting.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:53 PM
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16. Amazing. Compare that article to the hit piece the same author wrote yest
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:23 PM
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2. and the drip from the faucet gets a little louder......n/t
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:24 PM
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3. quote of the day
"We can live with winning and losing. We cannot live with fraud and stealing,"

EXACTLY! This is what we've all been saying since the shock wore off. This is no longer about Mr. Kerry.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:25 PM
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4. Wow!
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 04:26 PM by Stand and Fight
It finally hit the MSM... Hopefully it hits those bastards on Fox and CNN and ABC and NBC and CBS... Who'd have thought there were so many dumbasses informing us? This is great news though. Thanks for the post!

:toast:
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ReneB Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:27 PM
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5. dont slay me, but foxnews has also an something about jackson online:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:33 PM
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7. rate the story on yahoo

You have given the news article One Month Later, Fight Over Ohio Continues a rating of 5.
Its current average rating is 4.36 with 146 vote(s
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 06:06 PM
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22. Oh no! It's down to 3.68 with 475 votes.
I should know better than to care what these ratings say! Does it really effect what type of news they post?!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 07:43 PM
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31. Email the story on Yahoo too
Use Yahoo to email the story even if you email it to yourself. It might make the list of "Most Emailed Stories".

I noticed that an election fraud story made the most emailed list a few weeks ago.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:12 PM
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32. Good idea!
I'm on it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:47 PM
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12. most have been the JJ figure that leads to increased coverage!!

but no matter---still glad it is covered--


......An attorney for a political advocacy group on Wednesday plans to file a "contest of election." The request requires a single Supreme Court justice to either let the election stand, declare another winner or throw the whole thing out. The loser can appeal to the full seven-member court, which is dominated by Republicans 5-2.

Jackson said he agreed with the court filing planned by lawyer Cliff Arnebeck, who has represented the Boston-based Alliance for Democracy (search) in other cases........

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139898,00.html

Ohio Election Still Contested

Monday, November 29, 2004



COLUMBUS, Ohio — Nearly a month after John Kerry (search) conceded Ohio to President Bush (search), complaints and challenges about the balloting are mounting as activists including the Rev. Jesse Jackson (search) demand closer scrutiny to ensure the votes are being counted on the up-and-up.....
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:30 PM
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6.  Thanks. since this is where the MSM
gets their info ,maybe they will cover it now
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:37 PM
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10. Sat story on yahoo---Feds to Investigate Voting Irregularies
I missed this over the holiday,--maybe you all have seen it.

"http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041127/ap_on_el_ge/voting_investigation&e=1

Feds to Investigate Voting Irregularies

Sat Nov 27,10:50 AM ET


By LARRY MARGASAK, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Congress' investigative agency, responding to complaints from around the country, has begun to look into the Nov. 2 vote count, including the handling of provisional ballots and malfunctions of voting machines.

The presidential results won't change, but the studies could lead to changes.


The Government Accountability Office usually begins investigations in response to specific requests from Congress, but the agency's head, Comptroller General David Walker, said the GAO acted on its own because of the many comments it received about ballot counting.


GAO officials said the investigation was not triggered by a request from several House Democrats, who wrote the agency this month seeking an investigation. The effort, led by senior Judiciary Committee (news - web sites) Democrat John Conyers of Michigan, was not joined by any Republicans. ,,,,,
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bmoney07 Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:33 PM
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8. Leave it tot the foreign media
to show our STUPID ASS media what time it is.

Oh I guess we'll just sweep this story under the rug as well.

hear that rumbling sound???

That is the people working!!!

Hooray for the people!!!
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:35 PM
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9. you mean they actually didn't call it a conspiracy theory?
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Roger_Otip Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:47 PM
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11. shows the importance of demonstrations
having a real physical demonstration is something the mainstream media finds hard to ignore. it's time to get out onto the streets and be seen.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:48 PM
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14. See you this Saturday in Columbus, then?
There's a demonstration.

Also the following saturday there are demonstrations in all state capitols, I think!
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:48 PM
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13. kick
kick kick kick kick... very happy to see MSM get busy. :) Let's hope this becomes a trend 'round here. - G
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:52 PM
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15. Hell yeah!
Let the flood gates open.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:58 PM
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17. The title irriates me to no end
It's something small but still it's symbolic of making it seem like AGES have passed and those election fraud nutters are STILL at it.

One month later-IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN A MONTH YET.

It's been 27 miserable days.
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:58 PM
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18. This is great news! I rated it a 5.... *KICK* n/t
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 05:02 PM
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19. Well finally. Scott Petersen is almost over and Julia had her twins so
I suppose they were left with nothing else.
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dewaldd Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 05:06 PM
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20. yeah! (and they didn't go into the Connally thing...whew..:) )
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 06:06 PM
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21. Can a Republican EVER make a response without using sarcasm?
I mean, honestly, they're all ankle biters, aren't they?

Jackson said Blackwell, who along with other statewide GOP leaders was a co-chairman of Bush's re-election campaign in Ohio, should step down from overseeing the election process.

"You can't be chairman of the Bush campaign and then be the chief umpire in the seventh game of the World Series (news - web sites)," Jackson said.

Blackwell's office responded by saying the state has a "bipartisan and transparent system that provides valuable checks and balances."

"The problem seems to be that Rev. Jackson's candidate didn't win," said Carlo LoParo, a Blackwell spokesman.


Another graduate of the Republican Politician Charm School.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 06:07 PM
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23. Vote it a 5.
NT
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 06:15 PM
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24. Just gave it a 5 - current status
Its current average rating is 3.58 with 525 vote(s). 6:15p EST
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wlubin Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 06:16 PM
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25. For what it is worth, i believe this is the beginning of this story
popping. To pop means it becomes big news in case anyone needed a translation. Jessie Jackson obviously caries a lot of clout. Thank you Jessie Jackson.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 06:23 PM
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26. Agree; Google on JJ and OH recount already has 45 hits.... (n/t)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 06:44 PM
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27. NYTimes picks up the AP report.....
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Ohio-Vote.html

One Month Later, Fight Over Ohio Continues
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: November 29, 2004

Filed at 5:53 p.m. ET

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Nearly a month after John Kerry conceded Ohio to President Bush, complaints and challenges about the balloting are mounting as activists including the Rev. Jesse Jackson demand closer scrutiny to ensure the votes are being counted on the up-and-up."

"Halt, Audit & Prove My Vote Counts, Now" -- Cobb, Jackson, Nader defending the franchise; who'd ever thought they'd be at the front of the line.

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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 07:36 PM
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29. We're getting there!!!!
Do I sense shit hitting fan???
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:34 PM
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35. That's great!
I know people who won't even begin to believe a new item until they read it in the NYTimes.
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 07:32 PM
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28. I just sent the Guardian a thank you letter with xxx's & ooo's
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 07:39 PM
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30. Google, now 10,500 hits for JJ ohio recount
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 07:45 PM by Karenca
Yahoo article: it's now at 3.58 with 952 votes
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ImADeanDem Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:17 PM
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33. CNN has picked it up as well!
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:21 PM
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34. no 7th inning for Blackwell
"You can't be chairman of the Bush campaign and then be the chief umpire in the seventh game of the World Series (news - web sites)," Jackson said."
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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:36 PM
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36. Thank You
Jessie Jackson for standing up for democracy.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:15 PM
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37. Hey,if this keeps up, they won't be able to call us crackpots anymore
Assholes. I should be happy that they are coming around but damn, it's their freaking jobs and they should have reported this a long time ago. Two weeks ago.

<deep breath>

I am glad to see that the dam is beginning to leak.
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:16 PM
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38. A snippet on the MSM
At about 6:00 p.m. Pacific time, I heard a snippet of news about Jesse Jackson challenging Bush's win in Ohio on the radio -- I think it was a CBS news station. They said Jackson is asking for Bush's win to be set aside based on a faulty election! Then, they played a recording of a deputy of Blackwell's (I missed his name). The deputy said there was no election mishap in Ohio and that Jackson was simply singing sour grapes because "his candidate" lost the election.
JoMama.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:48 PM
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39. Take a look
Do you want the smoking gun on election fraud in Ohio? Why of course you do.

Go to the Sec. of State's web site and look at the vote totals by county for the Ohio Supreme Court Race of Connally vs Moyers. Connally is African American female who
had little money to buy media. In 13 out of 88 counties she pulled more votes than John Kerry. Moyer got more than the President in 4 out of the 88 counties. To compare
you can pull up the #s for the 2004 Presidential Race from the same site.

Guess what? Warren (lock down) County was one of the counties that an unknown African American female out pulled John Kerry in vote total.

Also look at the other counties and Kerry's vote total in many cases was much closer to Connally's vote total. President Bush's vote total was almost always
much greater than Moyers' vote total. Did somebody take votes from Kerry but not from Connally so as to cover their tracks?

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/11-02-04.htm Link to Ken Blackwell's site.

Look at Auglaize, Brown, Butler, Clermont, Darke, Highland, Hocking, Mercer, Miami, Putnam, Shelby, Van Wert, and Warren Counties.


this story it is about to break big time.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:05 PM
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42. no outliers

Hi Botany,

I am sorry, I just don't get it. I looked at the data and made a plot of Kerry's vote totals vs Connally's. There are some deviations from a directly proportional relationship, but they go both ways and the 13 cases do not look at all out of line. In other words, please tell me again what exactly is unusual about these data? Thanks.
I also plotted Bush's totals versus Moyers'. Same thing, same kind of spread. What I mean is no county looks like an outlier.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:33 AM
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46. The problem
Thereismore,

The problem with the 13 counties is that Connally is a female African American
running for a Ohio Supreme Court Judge position much further down the ticket.
She had almost no funding and almost nobody knew her name. The 13 counties
were rural and very white. It does not pass the smell test that she would get more
votes than John Kerry in those counties. In other words why would somebody go
and vote for an unknown person in a race that nobody even thinks about but
then vote against the same party at the top of the ticket?

To me it looks as if somehow votes were taken from Kerry in those counties and the
footprint of that action was the votes remaining for Connally. So in Butler County,
Ohio almost 5,000 people voted for unknown democrat but did not vote for a democratic Presidential candidate who had media pressure and had personally visited
that county.

And on a totally different note I live in Ohio and I saw and heard way too much
with my own eyes and ears to doubt that "something" was not done to alter the
outcome in favor of bush. We have lost 260,000 jobs in this state in the past 4 years
and people almost always vote pocketbook first ....... plus job data showing another 20,000 jobs were lost was withheld until after the election.

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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:19 PM
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40. FOX NEWS Censored (yes, censored!) this Report!
For what it's worth, take a look how FOX NEWS (amongst loads of others who re-printed this AP story) censored one hugely key component!

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001000.htm

Brad
THE BRAD BLOG
http://www.BradBlog.com
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:47 PM
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41. Wow - Good catch!
I can't look at that website long enough to find stuff like that ;)

It's good somebody does.
What a bunch of a**holes!!!

Thanks!
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:09 PM
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44. They're such creeps
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:08 PM
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43. I don't know how many of you saw Jackson when he said this
in a televised press conference, but he was pissed, you could tell. He pronounced the words ("We cannot live with fraud and stealing") very slowly and deliberately. It was beautiful!!

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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:11 PM
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45. Got to keep the momentum going
Fantastic job to everyone who helped keep this story alive!!! You guys are awesome!!
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