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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 08:46 PM
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Notes from Jackson press conference
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 08:51 PM by jmknapp
Note: these are not generally direct quotes, but paraphrases from the camcorder tape I took at the event.

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The event was held at a large Baptist Church (Mr. Hermon) in Columbus.

At about 2:45, a 45-minute press conference was held in a church meeting room.

Bob Fitrakis, Susan Truitt and Cliff Arnebeck, the three lawyers who are spearheading the legal challenges were with Jackson, as well as two representatives
from the Green Party who are funding the recount.

Arnebeck started the conference with some brief comments. Plans to file contest of election in the Ohio Supreme Court this week. He then introduced Rev.
Jackson.

Jackson:

This is about the integrity of the vote. This is not about the Kerry campaign per se. This is about Medgar Evers. It's about Nelson Mandela's years in jail.

It's about whether the US has the moral autority to speak about what's happening in Ukraine.

Americans should know that the election in Ohio has not been certified. This is the 28th of November.

There are patterns of irregularities that are impeding the process.

An outstanding case is that of candidate for Ohio Supreme Court, Ellen Connally, an African-American from Cleveland, who received 257,000 more votes than
Kerry. In the counties of Ohio where she is the least known, she got 157,000 more votes than Kerry.

In Warren County, officials in the name of Homeland Security locked out the press from the BOE on election night. Connally got 45,000 more votes than Kerry
there.

Exit poll gaps further compound the suspicions.

Provisional ballots were supposed to make the process more uniform, in the wake of Gore v. Bush, but in Ohio the process was made more difficult.

Electronic machines have no audit trail.

We do not have a federal right to vote. We have 50 separate and unequal states' rights to vote.

Within the states, in terms of voting machinery, rich counties have better machinery, poorer counties have poorer machinery.

This is a throwback in time to States' Rights.

Despite that, in 2000, the US Supreme Court inexplicably intervened in the process, only to say we stopped the count, we stopped the state court's decision,
but only to say that on the basis of the 10th Amendment, the states rights amendment, the slave amendment, we have no domain over the election. They gave it
back to Katherine Harris, who declared that by 12 o'clock by state law they must stop the count. The Florida legislature went further, saying that even if
Gore got the most votes, they would cast their electoral vote for Bush.

This means that the individual does not have the right to vote for president. The electoral college does. That must be abolished by amendment to the
Constitution.

Secretaries of State determine the outcome of elections.

Iraq, Afghanistan and South African constitutions have an individual's right to vote directly for president.


Rainbow/PUSH joins with a team of lawyers in Ohio demanding that there be a full and thorough federal investigation of the election in Ohio.

Computer forensic experts should be involved, because so much of the process is electronically driven, leaving room for hacking.

We can afford to lose the election. We can't afford to lose our votes, systematically and continually.


Q: Election official say there are always irregularities. Do you have evidence that irregularities this time are disproportionate and widespread?

Jackson:

Admitting to irregularities is no bragging piece. We've been doing this long enough to have first class elections. The Ellen Connally case is the most
egregious example.

Q: Given that SOS Blackwell ran afoul of the Helping America Vote Act, what are the penalties available?

Jackson:

We need a detached observer running the process. This isnt personal against Blackwell, its an inherent flaw in the process. We cant have privately-owned machines where the owner of the machines says he wants candidate X to win. The machines can be hacked. So you could have a situation where the people in charge may be fair, but they dont know about the machines. The Connally case indicates a shift in votes. We need computer forensic experts to look into that. We need an investigation.

Q: So you are calling for a federal investigation, as opposed to the lawyers actions contesting the election in the Ohio courts?

Jackson:

The Congress has to be a factor in this. The situation is that most Americans think we have the right to vote for president. What happened in 1965 was, the Voting Rights Act was a fulfillment of 1865, of the 15th Amendment that made discrimination in voting illegal. What the Supreme Court said in 2000 was, they went to the tenth amendment, the states rights amendment, the slave holding amendment, and said that the right to vote is not in the affirmative, therefore the right to vote is a states right. Therefore the federal court has no jurisdiction. It is in the state. So it went to Katherine Harris, who said that by state law the vote must be over by 12 oclock.

No democracy in the world is fighting for those kinds of ruleswhere there is a stop-gap level of power between the people and the candidate. Our elections should be federally protected. Not one set of laws in Mississippi, another in Ohio.

So in fact it is right now a state issue. So the Ohio supreme court should rule. But we should go beyond that, to a federally protected right to vote. The federal government should run federal elections, on a uniform system. Thats not too much to ask.

Q; Theres a complex timing issue in Ohio laws concerning a recount effort. The Secretary of State appears to be running out the clock. What are these timing issues?

Arnebeck:

Its a difficult issue.

The Green/Libertarian injunction to begin the recount immediately was denied in a Toledo court. But in the course of that decision, the office of the SOS represented to the federal court that it viewed the recount process as a kind of audit, and that even if they passed the date where the electoral process might preempt the count, that the counting process would go forward. So the state has represented that the recount will occur.

Another point was made by Jonathan Turley of American University, who said that even though there is this so-called drop-dead safe harbor date of December 13, that even up until January, if you have proven that the count was wrong, that the revised results should have effect. There should be no safe harbor against a fraud in our electoral process.

Jackson:

The conventional parties have surrendered to fraud again. This situation shows the genius of the independent movement. Back in 1965, LBJ could not give us a federal right to vote. The congress could, but it hadnt. When we went to Selma it was an independent thrust. It was people of conscience who forced a whole nation to come to grips with the injustice.

It may be dark, but a little light will do when its real dark. And these election numbers are glowing, and they will not go away.

We must not have another case of silence by senators, in the face of such patterns of fraud.

Green party representative:

Even though we lost our suit last Monday, we intend to see this to the end.

Jackson:

Called Kerry twice this week. He supports the process of the investigation. Based on the information he had, he withdrew. Thats a choice he had to make. But if the investigation indicates a different result, he would have had a different response.

Q: How much staff and money are you putting into this effort?

Staff and volunteers around the state. Many people now want to get involved because they want to fight back. We had a poor campaign in the South, but a rich message. This hasnt been driven by a lot of money. Martin Luther King had no budget. We raised, the Greens and Libertarians raised, just enough money to have legal standing. We do not need money. We need people to rise up. We need people to fight back. Mandela had no budget in jail in South Africa. The Ukrainians who are marching have no budget eitherthey have a will to dignity. We have a will to dignity. Its not too much to ask to have a vote count. Its not too much to ask to have machines with audit trails. This is not to be discussed in the margins. This is not just the Greens. It is green, red, yellow blueall of us, the rainbow coalition.


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 08:50 PM
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1. Wow.
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 08:52 PM by mzmolly
:scared:

:wow:

I'm speechless. THANK YOU!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 08:52 PM
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2. Thanks for posting.
This is great news.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 08:56 PM
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3. wow
that was great. the last sentence is the best!! i never paid much attention to Jesse Jackson - i think some people around me had it put in my head that he was just a 'whiner'.....i don't believe that anymore. not since 2000, and especially not now. i'm so relieved people (at least close to leaders) are finally speaking out.
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skysurfer Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #3
45. Jackson is an interesting guy
Jesse Jackson can be something of an opportunist and an attention-whore BUT I do believe that he has always been sincere in his desire to help people and change the world for the better.
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KMG Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 08:58 PM
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4. I guess I don't understand
Kerry says, if you all come up with something that proves I won, then hey, I'll be President. But you all do the work and just let me know. Is that right?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Look up Nixon and 1960
I am tired of pointing this out
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KMG Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. You mean that Nixon
knew that JFKennedy's dad stuffed the ballot box in Chicago but because he didn't want to put the country through a devastating bunch of lawsuits, he conceded? Sounds like a stand up kinda guy to me. Or were you referring to something else?
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. Kerry. A War Hero. A Patriot. A Fighter. A True American...
Kerry. Our President Elect.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. That wasn't Nixon's reason
He knew if he pointed out fraud on the other side, they would be more than happy to reveal the fraud from Nixon's side. Checkmate.

Nixon was never a stand up kinda guy. Ever.
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KMG Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. So then you're saying
fraud happens on both sides.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:18 PM
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:44 PM
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40. In 1960, or so they say
It's really only rumor, but, since it kept a headcase like Nixon out of the WH for another couple of terms, who could complain? The future architect of that brilliant caper known as Watergate? :eyes: Even Eisenhower didn't want Nixon in the WH.


We don't need to commit fraud, only the insecure, shallow and talentless go that route.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #40
50. The 1960 rumor
was proven to be true.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. Hey nadinbrzezinski, events keep proving you right about the Nixon
parallel. I've seen your posts on this going back a number of days.

If you were interested in recapping an overview, I'm sure it would be appreciated and valuable. Or even posting it as a new thread.

Thanks!

:toast:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:43 PM
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29. Sure in 1960 Nixon conceded within the night
He knew somethign was wrong with the vote so he chose to keep investigating and well under the radar... (and apeared like a gentleman to the people and helped to elect him years later)

Now what Nixon found was that there was some serious fraud ongoing, in particular in Chicago (yes the machine was fully at work), but the particular one that raised many people's eyes was the findng that they found LBJs district voted for the Kennedy ticket at a 100% and all of them Democrat.

many alarm bells rang out, but... Nixon could not come out and put the country through the hell it would have implied, not because he was a gentleman... but because he had his dirty fingers in the votes in California....

Reality is that electoral fraud has been a reality of American politics from word go, but until 1960 nobody thought anybody stole an election... and this one is still under wrapts, and not as clear as oh 2000.

Now what is so different about THIS election? I mean when you compare it to any other election?

THere are no paper trails for about one third of the votes casted... this was not the case wiht the Chicago Machine or Tammery Hall...

This makes proving ANY fraud way harder.

They are going through it carefully and best case scneario they will prove it and you know Bush will NOT be sworn in on January 20th... at least this is what some of us hope and if the hanky panky is proven at the presidential level, we may move to the Senate and the House.

Worst case scenario, nothiing will happen

I hold my hopes that this will lead to a reform of the electoral system and a return to paper trails... and that will be a hell of a service for this under the radar investigating.

As is, well it is now up to us, we are those leaders.... we are all looking for
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KMG Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:52 PM
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30. I agree with you on virtually all of this
I actually remember when all of this happened and what you say is true. So you think Kerry is just waiting it out for a comeback in 08. Well, that makes more sense that a lot of other theories. But it is also true that fraud has been going on forever. I agree that there should be a paper trail. Both sides should want that. But with technology growing so fast we, mankind, sometimes lag behind. I just don't know if fraud can be proven and make a difference in this years election. That's all.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. I know I know I should know better
what part of no paper trail, tabulators and hacking are you having a problem comprehending?

This makes the hanky panky that has gone on during the rest of US History look like a damn walk in the park

Not that you understand this.

We may be witnessing the death of democracy in this country, not that you care.

Now do me a favor DO NOT put words in my mouth...

I do not know what Kerry will do in 2008.. in fact I don't expect elections to happen in 2008... happy now?
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KMG Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Wow, too much turkey?
Maybe not enough? I don't know but you seem very annoyed somehow. I said I agreed with you and you come back with I don't understand and what part don't I understand. whew...I'm going to bed and dream about a better world.Yes I'm quite happy thank you. But relax, there will be a 2008 election. I promise you.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:26 PM
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:02 PM
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6. Just to let you know, this got (brief) coverage on CNN this afternoon. n/t
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #6
15. I'm shocked!!
:wow:


Thanks for the info!
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:03 PM
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7. Can someone ask Jessie
to ask Mandela to come here?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:06 PM
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9. One point of agreement with Jesse, and one point of disagreement:
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 09:10 PM by Straight Shooter
Agree:

"Computer forensic experts should be involved, because so much of the process is electronically driven, leaving room for hacking."

Disagree:

"We can afford to lose the election. We can't afford to lose our votes, systematically and continually."

We absolutely cannot afford to lose the election if it is proven to have been taken by fraud. Too many things can go wrong in the next four years, power can be consolidated to such a degree as to be insurmountable, the world will be much worse off. No, we cannot "afford" to lose.

If George W. Bush is a pickpocket in the voting booth, he has not "won" anything. Whatever he stole, I want it back, and I want it given to John Kerry if it can be shown to belong rightfully to Kerry.

Just my honest opinion.

Edit: Ooops, I misplaced my manners for a moment. Thanks for transcribing that, you did a great job.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Darn straight shootin'
:toast:
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. Straight, I agree but
I think what he was implying is that we can afford to lose an honest election. Meaning if the votes/will of the people was (used loosely) real we can afford that outcome, even if it wasn't the outcome we wanted. But what we can't afford is for that outcome to occur due to fraud. What we can't afford is for any vote, any voice, to go unheeded.

I believe that was his message, though I can see how it could easily be taken a different way (hey, even I'm not positive that's what he meant, but I'm leaning towards that explanation).
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. That's of course what he meant.
Basic logic!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #17
55. Darn it, IAMREALITY, there you go being reasonable again
But I believe Jesse knows in his heart this election was not fair.

Jesse sometimes talks in riddles, so he can't be pinned down. And that's all right with me :)



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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:08 PM
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11. Great Post!!
Thanks for posting that. It was a truly great read, and I enjoyed here what the Reverend had to stay about this most heinous of elections. Let's just hope that Jesse Jackson can get on CNN and the like and start raising some hell!!!
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Listen to Air America
They are discussing it right now!
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:18 PM
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20. The official record does not say Connally got
257,000 votes more than Kerry. Kerry got more votes than Connally total.
Where did they get these numbers, they don't make sense.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:21 PM
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22. DATA from CASEOhio
Please refer to my indormation that was reported during Rev Jackson's press conference. I posted X 2 at topic HUGE Oh 4 county discrepancy.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. You provided no links there.
Where did they get 257,000 more votes for Connally(compared to Kerry)?
Kerry got more votes than Connaly according to oficiall record (not updated).
???????????????????
It's simply impossible for Connally to get 257,000 more votes than Kerry because she lost her race. These numbers are not true.
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KMG Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. ssshhh
you aren't allowed to voice an objection on these threads...you'll be called a "troll". You must walk like they do, talk like they do. So much for the "big tent" theory...
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:21 PM
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23. how many people were there?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. # people at Mt Herman
Several hundred people who were all fired up after the speech.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:25 PM
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26. YEAH BABY!
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 09:26 PM by crispini
Wow. Just wow.

Thanks JESSE! OH YEAH. Proud to say I voted for him in the Democratic primary in my FIRST ELECTION EVER. 1986, IIRC.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #26
42. Me too..


I worked for his campaign in San Francisco!

It was so exciting!!!!!

Those were the best of times.

I learned so much about campaigns and politics.

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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:59 PM
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31. Twice the credence now because he initially said they won fair & square?
Thanks for the great report! He is a very smooth operator.
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:08 PM
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32. jmknapp, Thank you for taking the time to write this.
Did you notice if there were alot of MSM reporters/cameras there?
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:10 PM
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33. Excellent report!
Thank you so much! I wanted to go to this today but had other obligations here. Your hard work is much appreciated.
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dewaldd Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:11 PM
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35. AGAIN, JACKSON'S NUMBERS ON CONNALLY ARE ALL WRONG!!
The information is all at the Secretary of State website: http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/2004/main.htm

I posted my spreadsheet here: http://www.geocities.com/boycott_sinclair/prez-vs-supre...

The numbers are completely wrong.

Statewide, Kerry got 640,677 more votes than Connally. There are 11 counties where Connally beat out Kerry. The numbers in those counties only add up to 19,350.

There are also a fairly equivalent number of counties where the Republican Supreme Court candidate Moyer beat out Bush; they add up to 15,509. I don't see conspiracy in these numbers. They look like noise.
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drummer55 Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. JACKSONS NUMBERS ARE RIGHT...HES USING THE MARGINS
shoutin's fun aint it. :)
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:47 PM
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41. Help me understand the difference


with the margins.

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Dolphyn Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #41
46. It is explained here:
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/944

(See "Editor's Note" in the fifth paragraph)
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #46
49. Thanks Dolphin for the path to the explaination.
I figured J. Jackson would have his ducks in a row for such a serious matter.

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #35
47. I went and checked the OH Sec of State website
when you posted this earlier. I too am wondering where the other numbers are coming from.

Perhaps they know something we don't. I can't see Jackson jumping on this unless he knows something about it.

Anybody have any insites into this?







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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:51 AM
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54. The link for your spreadsheet doesn't work for me
I've seen you posting on this long before Jesse Jackson mentioned the issue. I sure hope you're wrong because otherwise everything Jackson is bringing up that is valid will be poisoned by association. The media will make sure of that if indeed it ever takes up the case. So could you post another link to your spreadsheet?

Has any other number cruncher gone over dewaldd spreadsheet? What's the DU take on these numbers?
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Cowboy Joe2k Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:34 PM
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37. All American need to band together we must Put control of the
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 10:34 PM by Cowboy Joe2k
Tabulator machines back into the hands of the People.

this is bigger then Black and white. this is the American people against the Chosen Few.
There is your 14th amendment. Right to Vote being Taken away from you. If you do nothing to fix the Election Machines this will happen again in 06 And Arnold will be President in 08. and there is nothing that you The American people can do about it. You Must Reform the Voting Machines. There needs to be a Voter Verifiable paper trail, and Auditing needs to take place.

If you do not do this, Democracy is dead. This is the truth that they are hiding from you under mounds of crap it an attempt to keep you chasing you tails worried about News reports of Some puppy down a well, Or any thing else they decide to brainwash you with.

Lets take it the other way for a moment, lets say you don't worry about it. lets say we go into the next election with the same problem. Lets say that America's Show up in Droves and every one is voting for Hillery and the Numbers are too big for them to manipulate. Why what is to keep them from screaming election fraud again just like they did in 2000 and again, the vote of the people will go un- herd as Fox sings them a lullaby back to sleep thinking that the total was again 49%-51%

As long as the "Super Voters" are in power, You the American People are not. Make this your number one Priority or Democracy is dead allready.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:40 PM
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39. Thank you!
You did a great job at transcribing. I certainly hope this message gets out to the Public.

thanks again.


tracy.

"The important thing is to never stop questioning." -- Einstein
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:52 PM
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43. Im so glad to hear about this
Someone said it got coverage on CNN?Awesome news!


Thanks for posting.

Thanks Jesse!
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:07 PM
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44. That was definitely worth the wait.
Slightly less than four weeks and Rev. Jackson lays it all on the table. Four quiet weeks. That'll change, now. ;)
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:47 PM
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48. Thank you Rev. Jackson.
I should never have doubted you in the weeks of silence. I was wrong.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:25 AM
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51. thank you for posting
and THANK YOU Jesse Jackson

:dem:

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:43 AM
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52. Glorious -- a couple of corrections
Bob Fitrakis, Susan Truitt and Cliff Arnebeck, the three lawyers who are spearheading the legal challenges were with Jackson, as well as two representatives from the Green Party who are funding the recount.

Arnebeck is spearheading a DIFFERENT legal challenge than the recount, based on sworn testimony as a result of those citizen hearings that were held in Ohio. I presume Fitrakis and Truitt are working with him.

Yes, Cobb was able to get probably enough donations to mount the recount challenge, but there are OTHER groups involved as well, one of them DU's own hedda_foil's 527 Help America Recount, which is working with the Cobb campaign and others (including other groups, funders, etc.), AND which is looking also at other states, and which was formed specifically to help fund the recounts. Hedda is also the co-founder of the National Ballot Integrity Project.

www.helpamericarecount.org

www.ballotintegrity.org/


Truly beautiful synposis, and so stirring. Thanks very much for sharing it, and thank GOD for Jesse!!
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:48 AM
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53. jmknapp, thank you for the report!
I wish I'd been there to lend my whoops and hollers after the press conference - you did a service for those of us who couldn't go!

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tinfoil_beret Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:58 AM
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56. Rebuttal
Rev. Jackson correctly states that the federal government does not grant the right to vote. However, the 14th Amendment clearly states that if a state prevents individuals from voting that the state will lose representation by the proportion of voters that it denied to the proportion of the population, which by definition also affects the number of electors entitled to the state under Section One of Article Two of the Constitution.

Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment: "But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State."

Therefore, by preventing individuals from having their votes counted equally the state forfeits electors. (Remember, SCoTUS ruled in Bush v. Gore that not providing equal protection and due process to all votes is unconstitutional. If a state gives you the right to vote, the state must provide equal protection.

Also, on the matter of timing of recounts, see http://starbulletin.com/2000/11/18/editorial/special.html In other words we have a precedent for the results of a recount changinng a state's electoral votes AFTER the meeting of the electoral college, as determined by the count showing the Will of the People. Of course, Hawaii had the foresight to have electors to vote both ways in case the recount changed the outcome.
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WiseFawn Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:18 AM
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57. Wonderful post!
I couldn't make it to this, but my brother went.He met Jesse Jackson and filmed him for a woman that is making several films about the Ohio votes. One of my brother's songs is inher viseo of the long lines in Ohio. I'm sorry I missed it, but next week's sounds exciting, as well, with even Greg Palast speaking here! I have not lost my hope any, but I must say, today was thrilling and full of hope!
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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 05:07 AM
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58. THANK YOU so much for this transcript, jmknapp!
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 05:08 AM by Joolz
I appreciate it greatly! Every bit of hope makes the next day easier to face... and Jesse's words gave me much more than a bit of hope. :)

And thanks to John Q. Citizen for directing me to this thread... kicking it for ya, as promised. ;)
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:22 AM
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59. They covered it on local channels in Cleveland
The coverage I saw this morning focused on the disenfranchisement issues. No mention of fraud, vote fixing, etc.

Short blubs mostly, but at least it's getting some air time.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 11:49 AM
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60. Jackson proves again that he has more courage, integrity & real
patriotism than any of the politicians. What a Secretary of State he would make compared to the current jokes--or President, but never in this corrupt cesspool.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:55 AM
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61. Blackwell on Olberman said that JJ is just a hired provocateur
and he is just running out in front of someone else's parade. This was in response to Keiths question of why the other two candidates were not derided like JJ and the Dems.
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