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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:58 AM
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Wayne Madsen sent me an email about his fraud article..here's what he says
Got this today in an email from Wayne Madsen:

"Okay.. they need to concentrate on rigging and closed off/secured vote counting sites in Texas, Ohio, California, and Florida. Any irregularities concerning techies, especially Diebold, should be reported (to me or Joan's network). The Democrats are aware of more details of this story but for me, as a jorno, I can't yet name names because I have to gather more evidence and make this story libel proof. The national vote padding for Bush (the 3 million margin) happened primarily in Texas, Florida, and California.

thanks

wayne madsen"
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:03 AM
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1. Wow!!!Thanks for posting this!
The dems know more details, and he can't 'name names' - sort of implies that the dems details are NAMES which is HUGE! This is great -
we just have to be patient.
A story like this is going to unfold slowly, as do most real scandals with substance (IranContra, BCCI). Time is of the essence, of course, though.

Do we know which 'Democrats' are aware of this/working on this? Is he referring to the DNC or particular congresspeeps or Kerry? Any ideas?

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:09 AM
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3. i imagine that DC democratic circles
are pretty porous. information is most likely shared among the trusted at the top. i'm sure kerry, dean, gore and clinton all have the tastiest bits of information.

madsen really seems to have the goods! it's a little strange that bush would steal votes in both texas AND california -- but i guess the large counts in both those states would insure that a few thousand here and a few thousand there would go unnoticed.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:26 AM
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5. And it would make his popular vote 'mandate' bigger
without showing much effect on overall percentages in huge states where the electoral votes are pretty much a given.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:11 PM
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16. i love your sig line! n/t
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:28 PM
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20. Thanks - if it were anyone but JFK (that's Kennedy, not Kerry)
I wouldn't use it - violence is not my way. But the less viable our democracy becomes, the more likely violence will be. I guess I like the quote because if we ever cross the line into violent revolution it sort of lets us blame it on the oppressors! ;)
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:42 PM
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24. hmmm -- i like that interpretation
i read it as a call to creative involvement. to keep dialog open. to keep ideas running freely.

but i'm totally up for breaking sh*t! :)
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:13 PM
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17. Of course, those are two places they knew would not be scrutinized
heavily, as a result, imagine just how much they must have stuffed those boxes to give him the man-date!?
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:22 PM
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33. Exactly n/t
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:00 AM
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83. Delay and Sessions were in TX...
Would have helped them out, too, with padding. Shrub lost in Travis County <Austin> and El Paso County...he only "won" Dallas by 2% and JK got 45% in Harris County <Houston area where the oil people/shrub cronies>. South Texas near the Tex Mex border was blue, also...adding these areas together alone and then NOT padding any numbers, Texas looks a little too blue for shrub's taste..and Delay and Sessions would have been OUT of the picture maybe?

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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:07 PM
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40. this is great ...wish se could rid ourselves of the freepers on this board
taking up good webspace ....
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:06 AM
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2. That final blurb
and it is SOME blurb about those three states is a lot farther than the detailed work being done here is ready to show. It is maddening to get this as a blunt tidbit from "those in the know".

Nice but useless? Who are "The Democrats"?

That would make sense but let's not forget real red states upping the ante all over the place in dribs and drabs.

Those damn machines are not coming into MY state!(NY)
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:14 AM
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4. Let him know that the State of FL stepped in the do-do today
They let the Miami Herald observe a hand recount of the votes in Union, Lafayette and Suwannee Counties.

We now have the right to demand hand recounts in the other 64 counties in FL before the Electoral College meets.


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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:27 AM
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6. link?
how does this give us the right to demand hand recounts? this sounds like good news - i'd like to know more about it.

thanks!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:48 AM
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8. Here's a link to the original article
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:59 AM
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10. Thanks, DYEW!
I found the other thread already. I really appreciate your threads and your input on others' threads- unlike a lot of posters you really follow up on things and respond to what people say. And you avoid being sucked into useless arguments. The longer I spend in the DU world, the more I start to realize what makes a good poster - not just ideological agreement, but real responses and effective debate. So thank you for being a good role model for us newbies! :D
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #10
27. Thanks
it's nice to know someone out there is actually reading some of my babblings.

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #10
44. she is one of our best, no doubt!
With love and hugs to both of ya!

:hug: :hug:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:00 PM
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11. Has Olberman seen this?
Doesn't this mean that all counties in Fla-la-la will now have to allow a hand recount to be observed, as in equal protection. I'm just so wanting the Supremes 2000 call to backfire on the Bushbaby.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #11
28. Yes, we need to get this out there
Please let Olberman and anyone else you can think of know about this. I think we can use this opportunity to our advantage.


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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:16 PM
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42. WHOA -- You ought to read the article first, I think
It's NOT that supportive of our side, and the notion (tho an admirable one) that just because a couple of reporters could do a recount that means anyone else can too is probably not very well-supported in the law.

If you want Olbermann to go on and on about how the "recount" in the panhandle proves Bush won handily in all those redneck Dem counties, by all means write to him en masse.

It wouldn't be the kind of coverage I'd seek, though.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. I see this has an opportunity
Three FL Counties allowed two Miami Herald reporters breeze in and they just opened the ballot boxes and counted the votes? No problem. Yes there is a problem. Gore had to go to the Supreme Court to try to get the votes counted and in the end they ruled against him. I think that by allowing these reporters in, they have to allow any other 'interested' party the same service. I am going to call my local SOE on Monday and find out how I can get a hand recount in my county. That is what I'm after with this. Hand recounts in every county in the State and next the rest of the country. Put their feet to the fire. Especially since they did it for one group, now they have to do it for everyone else.

Oh in the meantime, we need to send Olberman a link to that thread where we found all the instances of terrorist threats and shut downs of election offices. He claims he doesn't know about them.


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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:27 AM
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7. Here is Wayne Madsen's email address
Any questions or comments to help Wayne with his ongoing investigation, here is his email:

[email protected]
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LiveInHope Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:57 AM
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9. Padding the vote from California explains
how *bush's margin went UP in the popular vote as the night wore on instead of narrowing as it should have as the blue west coast was counted.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:02 PM
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12. kick
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:03 PM
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13. Very Interesting Indeed
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 12:12 PM by IAMREALITY
By the way, Has it occurred to anybody already that Texas, Florida, And California are all in different Time Zones?? Can't ya just see the numbers comin in on election night and Rove sayin "shit, the east is comin in now, doesn't look good, Green Light Operation Florida"..... Then a little later "Fuck, We got more work to do, Green Light Operation Texas", and then lastly "Crap, With all the supression in Ohio and Fraud we already pulled off in Florida we have enough to steal the Electoral College, but goddamn it we still need more for us to even slimly declare we have a mandate. Ok, fuck it, green light Operation Califuckinfornia.."

3 time zones. I do find that interesting, and do find Mr. Madsen starting to gain a bit more credibility. I hope we see much more come out of this...


edited to add: actually as per LiveInHopes post, it didn't have to go down successivley like that, come to think of it having the MAJORITY of padding done across the 3 main time zones would be the strategic way of ensuring the Popular Vote maintained a certain gap consistently. If the Padding was done lopsidedely in timezones the gaps might be too much at once or too suspicious, whereas across time zones would strategically show a more consistent pattern..
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Fascinating scenario, IAMREALITY,
you may have a very good point there. How sad in our 'democracy' that this sort of thing seems likely.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #13
46. You scare me, IAMREALITY!
You're beginning to think like a criminal - or worse, a REPUBLICAN!

;)

Seiously, though, you make an EXCELLENT point.
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propagandafreegal Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:11 PM
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15. I'm glad the Dems are involved in this....
Makes me feel better.
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deansyawp Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:21 PM
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18. Interesting Email
It sounds like Madsen, at any rate, really does believe what he's writing, and is indeed staking his entire reputation, such as it is, on it.

The point is if it's true it'll come out. Before or after December 13th? I think it hardly matters, really. If this is true in all of it's details, which still seems almost unbelievable to this DU newbie, then we're going to see some fireworks of unprecedented historic proportions no matter when the full truth comes out.
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:26 PM
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19. Madsen sent me second email! He asks for our help! Please read!
Wayne just sent me a second email about this! He asks for our help--please read:

Something else you could post:

This may be hard to ascertain but it is important. Did anyone working any polls as workers or monitors notice any questionable vote machine technicians who had heavy foreign accents, in particular Spanish or Eastern European-sounding (Russian, especially)? Were they asked for IDs by poll workers. Did any have trouble producing IDs?

Did anyone who worked the California recall election in 2002 notice anything similar to the above?

California 2002 may have been a testbed for 2004. A number of the planted "techies" in question may not have been US citizens but from Mexico, Brazil, Russia or Russian emigres to Israel.

This question primarily applies to polling places in Florida, Ohio, Texas and California. But if anyone in other states picked up on any of this, it is important to find out about that as well.

If you have any information, post here or send to [email protected]
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Wouldn't That Just Be A Kicker
Citizens Disenfranchised By Non-American Citizens..

Fuck it, why not, If you are gonna kill democracy might as well chop it up into little pieces so no one can identify it...

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ruthg Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. That is very very very weird.
I don't know whether to tip my tinfoil hat to him or just take it off.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #19
31. Why don't you start a new thread with that request?
and place it in several forums?
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Especially the State forums
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 01:26 PM by Habibi
edited to correct typo. D'oh!
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #19
37. California 2003 recall, not 2002. (as your other posted corrected) n/t
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #19
43. There was a Diebold tech in CA in 2002 who got in lots of hot water
Her name was Sophia. Someone should try googling on Sophia +Diebold and see what comes up.

This isn't in answer to Madsen's actual request (for 2004), but it's supporting info that he ought to be aware of if he isn't already.

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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #43
63. Yes - what happened with that story in SLO, California?
Here is a link with some info:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0309/S00042.htm

I remember a lot of inquiry over the 2002 vote in San Luis Obispo, California. As I remember, somehow mid-election vote totals were being transmitted, possibly by modem, to central tabulators - that might not be exactly right, but read the link.

2002 at a dry run for 2004? San Luis Obispo might be a good place to look.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #19
56. Well, I worked a polling place in Texas, as did many of my friends,
and, a machine tech who had a Spanish accent would be so completely un-noticable down here that it probably wouldn't have pinged anybody's radar.

But I'll ask around.

If Madesen's theory is that techs messed with evoting machines ON ELECTION DAY, the counties to look in would be Harris and Austin, both of whom use e-voting. Maybe Collin too -- Diebold. Dallas county didn't use evoting machines on election day.
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Beausoleil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #56
69. Bexar used ES&S
iVotronic. And went 56% Bush. A little high I thought.
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #19
77. you should make this a second thread. n/t
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #19
84. Diebold Election Systems office is in Dallas area
Add to all of this, of course, is shrub's MIDNIGHT rally at SMU near Highland Park on Nov 1st before he headed to Crawford. The area is where the elite of the elite live and play..Laura's alma mater and where she and Cheney were both on the SMU board prior to the 2000 election.


Diebold Election Systems office is based here, also...in McKinney, TX, north of Dallas. They build the AccuVote machines, both optical scan and touch-screens. This is the same county that sent one of their voting machines ***TO CANADA*** <see 2nd link below to the article> a week after the election because the machine locked up and no one here could get the vote results out of the machine. So they sent the machine or part of it to Canada where supposedly Diebold technicians worked on it and got the "results" out of the machine. There was a scathing editorial in the Dallas Morning News saying that there was NO excuse for having to send the county's vote results OUT of the COUNTRY. Kinda odd to send it off if their office is based here in Collin County??!!?

Sorry the link is the cache version...the real page is GONE!

http://tinyurl.com/4l26l


Yet the reforms that followed the 2000 election have been good business for Diebold Election Systems, a company based in McKinney. Diebold sells touch-screen voting equipment, the technology designed to assure voter intent.

The machines also assist individuals with disabilities or voters who speak languages other than English. Diebolds products, which are similar to ATMs, can be found from California to Maryland.



http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/city/collin/opinion/stories/111204dnccocollinvote.9eeb3.html

Editorial: Put It on Paper

Election snafu points up problems for all-electronic voting

06:07 PM CST on Thursday, November 11, 2004

For seven days, a paperless voting machine sat mute. It refused to tell Collin County elections officials and observers what votes it had recorded at Rose Mary Haggar Elementary School on Campbell Road.

The touch-screen machine locked up during voting Nov. 2 and was taken out of service. Election night, despite coaxing from technicians, the machine would not divulge results from 63 voters.

Officials gathered around again six days later, on Monday, but the machine wouldn't budge despite the best attempts by experts from the manufacturer, Diebold Election Systems.

They met again the following day. County elections officials reported they had sent the machine's memory card to Diebold laboratories in Canada so technicians there could attempt to extract the numbers. They reported that attempts were successful and that the results were finally in.





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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:33 PM
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21. Did anyoe send this to the DU'ers doing the investig/number crunching?
If not where you I post it to -which thread?
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:39 PM
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23. If you are in contact with Mr. Madsen...
...can you please ask him about some of the many points that have been raised here on DU that make his scenario seem unlikely?

For example, why get so many people involved? Why not pay them in full? Doesn't quite ring true.

I do want to believe that Madsen, or anyone, has found something tangible.

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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. I gave Madsen link to this thread
I don't know what specifically you want me to ask him..
Probably best bet is to email him. Here is his email:
[email protected]

Again, he probably is getting a lot of email, so make your email headline catchy (like "responding to a thread on DU", or something) Hope that helps!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. Kick
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #26
35. Thanks Vote4Kerry (n/t)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #23
57. Urge you to have as many 'eyes' on WA State as possible...
....because it is reasonable to hypothesize that the 'close race' between Gregoire and Rossi is due in part to 'greed' and, given a hand recount, may be a way to dig deep into what happened at all the WA County central tabulation centers.

Here are a couple of discussion threads you can send to Madsen if you think it helpful:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/24/115048/86

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/24/115048/86

Peace.

"Halt and Audit"
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:14 PM
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30. Texas is the most logical place
People around the world assume widespread support for Junior down here and it's just not that strong. Half at best support him, not the numbers that came out at the end. No way, not with the record voter regis. we had this year.

DeLay didn't win re-election, either. They gave it to him. Unearth the truth about DeLay's votes and the whole house of cards implodes.
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jbond56 Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. yup
I was completely shocked to see the numbers. I knew Kerry had no chance of winning but I thought he would make the Low 40's.

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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. CA also logical since its so big and you can hide it in the hay stack. n/t
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. Absolutely
I was only speaking to Texas because I live here and felt firsthand the groundswell of support for K/E. The final numbers were ludicrous in comparison. But, yes, absolutely, California would be a good place to pad the total with many votes. Who would check? Especially if the earlier elections there had been a test case for this massive manipulation.

I still want DeLay's re-election put under the microscope, though. He's the key to the House. And I seriously doubt that he is there legitimately.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. ANY stronghold for either Bush OR Kerry is a great place
who would question an even stronger showing for Bush in a Bush stronghold or, for that matter, a stronger showing for Bush in a Kerry stronghold just as long as Kerry still won?
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. Isn't that why Ida Briggs went after New Hampshire?
Golly, all this stuff is beginning to fit together!
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #45
78. i think the red states were padded. n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #30
74. You know, this is a good idea
and shouldn't be buried in the thread.

Start with DeLay. It's on a much smaller scale and he's not considered nearly as popular as Das Furher.

Seriously... the numbers would be easier to crunch and it would be easier to get at the heart of any scheme. Sort of the "think globally, act locally" approach to election fraud.

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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #30
82. Screwing w/ election numbers=3 birds w/ 1 stone...
Hmm, jack with the numbers in Delay's part of the state, takes "care of" shrub victory and Delay's?
Screwing with the numbers in North Texas/Dallas County takes care of Frost LOSS and Session win...and keeps Dallas County from going Blue <JK loses Dallas County by 2 %> Yet a Hispanic Lesbian WINS Dallas County Sheriff by a 2% margin and 4 dem judges are elected, also, by similiarly close margins.

Any non-tin foil hat number crunchers people out there????

http://elections.sos.state.tx.us/elchist.exe
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illuminaughty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 07:41 AM
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86. I talked to my niece today in Corrigan
She said they marked their ballots and put them in a box. I thought I misunderstood until I read the Madsen thread about opened boxes, etc. Just what is the protocol and how do you vote in a grocery store?

This is my former Bush supporter family who voted for Kerry. They really live closer to Dibol (shit, sounds like Diebold, only they don't pronounce it that way) Do you know where that is?
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:45 PM
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36. Correction to earlier email sent by Madsen (from Madsen)
Wayne sent me another email asking me to correct a typo he made in one of his emails:

"One more thing? -- could you correct a typo is my last post -- that should have read California Recall 2003 not 2002. If anyone noticed any similar problems with election techs -- as previously stated -- in the October 7, 2003 election it may be pertinent to what happened there and in other states in 2004. Especially in the Counties of Kern, Plumas, Alameda, Riverside, & Shasta.

w.m."
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:30 PM
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51. There were gobs of anomalies -- and a good many of them
recorded right here at DU. Unfortunately, *I* don't have any of those links anymore.

The most memorable (to me) was the fact that some of the totally unkown "candidates" for Gov. got an amazing number of votes in places in which they didn't campaign (if they campaigned at all) and couldn't have been well-known.
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:06 PM
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39. kick
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rebelskypirate Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:29 PM
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50. kick
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:31 PM
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52. double kick
:kick: :kick:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:29 PM
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48. Kick
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:58 PM
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53. Shared this with ...
Shared a link to this thread with BBV Vote4Kerry.
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:00 PM
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54. thanks
thanks for linking this thread
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:01 PM
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55. Another Madson e-mail: Another lockdown reported, anyone confirm?
This is appearently from a different blog (I don't know which one -- I asked Madsen which one):
"I live in Cincinnati, in Hamilton County, which is adjacent to Warren County, where the election night "lockdown" took place. A few weeks before the election, our county sherrif, Si Leis, and the Cincinnati Police Chief Tom Streicher sent out letters to local businesses warning of a possible "terrorist threat" that might involve the elections. They claim they were warned by Homeland Security. This was a front page article in the Cincinnati Enquirer. Homeland Security said they had issued no such warning to them and if an official warning were in order, Homeland Security would issue it, not the county sherrif or police chief. I find it odd that two counties in Southwest Ohio claimed they received warnings of "terrorist threats" that Homeland Security denied issuing."
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:11 PM
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59. kick
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:20 PM
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60. Found it
http://www.cinweekly.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041006/NEWS0101/410060337/1073/archive



Wednesday, October 6, 2004
What's going on
COMPILED FROM ENQUIRER STAFF REPORTS

ALERT PUZZLES FEDS
Hamilton County Sheriff Simon Leis issued a warning last week urging vigilance against possible terrorism, but FBI and homeland security officials said there was no intelligence about a new threat.

Leis e-mailed a letter to thousands of schools, businesses and shopping malls, warning them to be on guard. He said he sent the alert because of new information about a possible terror attack in the Midwest before the Nov. 2 election.

FBI and homeland security officials said they were not consulted before Leis sent the letter and emphasized that terror alerts should be handled by the federal offices.

Despite the confusion over the letter, Jim Turgal, supervisor of the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force in Cincinnati, said local and federal authorities have a good relationship and would continue to share information and work closely on terror-related issues.

CiN'S TAKE: We remain ever vigilant, on guard and on the lookout everywhere we go.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


BOTCHED BALLOTS
Ballots sent to 17,500 absentee voters in Hamilton County this week will be reissued because about 3,400 of them could foil a voter's intention.

An error in how the ballot was structured would have given votes intended for William Brayshaw, the county engineer who is running unopposed for re-election, to Nancy Fuerst, a Democratic candidate for Ohio Supreme Court.

The pages were among more than 750 different ballot pages proofed by Hamilton County election workers for the Nov. 2 election.

CiN'S TAKE: Uh-oh. Ballot problems already? Thank goodness they caught it before the election.


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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:24 PM
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61. And another
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MarcelP Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:05 PM
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58. Hispanic vote numbers in FL, TX, CA don't add up
In support of those three states being screwy, note that experts have been trying in vain to make sense of the Hispanic vote, and the numbers in CA, FL and TX are making nonsense out of the Hispanic vote. See this article by Ruy Texeira posted by Carolab under "44 Percent of Hispanics Voted for Bush, Highly Improbable"

Here is the link. http://www.alternet.org/election04/20606/

Here is an excerpt of a few paragraphs.

Did Bush Really Get 44 Percent of the Hispanic Vote?
I very strongly doubt it. This claim is based, first and foremost, on the finding in the National Election Pool (NEP) exit poll, the nation's largest and by far most influential, exit poll. But that finding, if carefully scrutinized, seems highly implausible for a variety of reasons. I lay these out below and conclude that a more reasonable estimate for Bush's Hispanic support this year is around 39 percent.
Start with the Texas state exit poll. That poll shows Bush with an astonishing 59 percent of the Hispanic vote. That's an increase of 16 points in Bush's support over 2000 and a shift in margin of 29 points (from an 11-point deficit to an 18-point lead). . . .

But, as the astute conservative analyst and number-cruncher, Steve Sailer, has calculated, if you take the given Hispanic Bush support rates for the four available states (FL,TX and two others) and figure the number of Hispanic Bush votes that implies from those four states, you can then estimate how many Hispanic Bush votes must have come from the non-broken-out states (given their percentage of overall voters in those states, which the NEP has released) to produce the number of southern Bush Hispanic votes indicated by the 64 percent support figure. Well, I suppose the Hispanics in those other states could have produced those missing votes but only if they voted early and often: they would have had to support Bush at the rate of 190 percent! (Read Sailer's analysis in its entirety for all the details on these calculations.)
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ewulf Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:54 PM
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66. Good Article
A little hard to follow at first, but once you read it through it is pretty damning. It definitely supports the notion that a lot of votes were pilfered in these big states. Damn, we really, really, really, need the raw exit poll numbers, by precinct, that went into the NEP results. Were are the wistle blowers? When will the exit poll workers step forward?
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 08:51 PM
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71. Rove met with Republican govs. and told them how minority vote supported
the Man Date, so this must have been part of the strategy, to steal votes where it could be said they were minority. FL, TX, and CA have large Hispanic voter populations.
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:46 PM
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62. Link to other threads discussing this
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:31 PM
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64. perhaps this will help ??
The fact that Warren County has such odd vote counts is no surprise to Fitrakis. The Republican-dominated county threw out all the media and independent vote watchers when votes were being counted at the end of Election Day, claiming homeland security issues. This would have easily allowed for the wholesale shifting of a large amount of votes from Kerry to Bush. If youre behind closed doors, it is easy enough to do. The November issues of Popular Science and Popular Mechanics magazines show how easy it is to hack the vote and steal an election. The articles are called E-vote emergency: And you thought dimpled chads were bad and Could hackers tilt the election? I think they did, explained Fitrakis.
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/944

Maybe he can see what this Mr. Fitrakis
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:32 PM
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65. kick
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:45 PM
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67. Bookmarking and KicketyKick
:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:20 PM
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68. Please forward to Madsen -Possible fraud in Dallas
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 08:34 PM
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70. How can we prove the emails are from Wayne Madsen
I've been asked what proof I have that these emails are indeed from "the" Wayne Madsen.... Any ideas on how to authenticate them?
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:02 PM
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73. I can forward email he sent to you
if you want
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:06 PM
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75. That might work..
Actually , I believe you. I am only asking because I posted a link to this on BBV (Florida section and the news section) thinking someone from the appropriate state might have some info for Wayne and the first response was a question as to the integrity of the emails...Maybe it would be better if I get out of the middle and you can make the same offer to the questioner? Here is the link:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID151&conf=DCConfID73


Thanks for responding Vote4kerry!
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:09 PM
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76. Can't get onto black box site
Computer froze up when I tried link. What if I forward it to you and you forward it to them?
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:15 PM
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80. He e-mailed me he was goiing to do the 2nd article some hours B4 he did.
And the e-mail covered the same points the article was about. That convinced me. I posted his e-mail elsewhere. Also he is coming on to do Q&A himself. See
Q&A w/ Wayne Madsen on Vote Rigging here on DU!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x86907#86930

JamBoi
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:43 AM
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85. Thanks
I will link tell them to pop on over and decide for themselves!
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RhodaGrits Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 08:56 PM
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72. Found this link when i searched metacrawler on Five Star Trust:
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=13817359

"OBNR Story Index

Below is an index of entities and individuals that have appeared in articles published by Miami-based
Offshore Business News & Research, Inc. These articles can be accessed from the 'Story Library' section of
OBNR's web-site. To view, go to www.offshorebusiness.com, complete a site registration form, log in using
your Username and Password and click on the 'Story Library' link.

The 'Story Library' can be searched for free but you must buy credits to read entire articles. For further
information, contact us at [email protected].

OBNR has published articles on the following companies and individuals:"

Five Star Trust is on the list below as "Five Star Trust (Linked with an illegally-run 'bank')"

:-)
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:13 PM
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79. Wayne Madsen will answer your questions here (please follow link)
Everybody,
Jamboi was good enough to start a thread and now Wayne Madsen will be communicating directly with us on DU. The thread is located here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x86907
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:37 PM
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81. Dallas and Harris county numbers.....
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 11:39 PM by rainbow4321
I posted this elsewhere on DU..below is my initial post about the odd Dallas County numbers. Beneath MY post about Dallas County is someone's response about questionable Harris County numbers <straight ticket vs prez votes for JK>. Apparently, the thread that these posts were on is now "dead"---it was about Oklahoma votes/Tulsa World:


As long as people are looking into specific counties...can someone explain how Dallas county residents were cool enough to elect a Hispanic Lesbian and yet JK lost the county by 2%??

Sheriff
Vote for 1
(WITH 720 OF 720 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
Danny Chandler (REP). . . . . . . 319,494 48.65
Lupe Valdez (DEM). . . . . . . . 337,228 51.35


President/Vice President
Vote for 1
(WITH 720 OF 720 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
George W. Bush (REP). . . . . . . 345,482 50.33 John F. Kerry (DEM) . . . . . . . 335,871 48.93


Response I got from that thread:

unofficial cumulative report posts the following numbers:

Straight Party, Vote For 1
Republican Party 52.98%
Democratic Party 46.54%
Libertarian Party 0.48%

President and Vice President, Vote For 1

Republican Party 54.76%
Democratic Party 44.55%
Libertarian Party 0.49%

Both sets of numbers come from the totals column. So tell me someone with more numbers sense than me, how do you get a 46% straight party total and only a 44% total votes cast for JK?

but shrubbie got an awfully large percentage of absentee votes, like almost twice what JK got - while all the other (early, election) percentages are closer.


www.election.co.harris.tx.us/ELECRSLT.HTM


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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:14 AM
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87. Anyone who's serious about organizing research on this plz join me here
New, Improved Madsen Research Project Strategy Thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=201
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:16 PM
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88. Corrected Link for Madsen Research
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:24 PM
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89. THANK YOU VOTE4KERRY AND JAMBOII! nt
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